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#91
Off the Record / Re: Finland, Sweden + NATO
Last post by Legbiter - May 15, 2022, 11:20:15 AM
QuoteSweden's ruling party, the Social Democrats, say they back the country joining Nato – this comes a few hours after its neighbour Finland said it planned to apply to join.


Taken from the Beeb.
#92
Off the Record / Re: The Off Topic Topic
Last post by Sheilbh - May 15, 2022, 11:18:37 AM
The best take is from when the Swedes hosted a couple of years ago and showed how to do the perfect Eurovision song :lol:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv6tgnx6jTQ

I think American TV has tried their own version, but because it still aspires to a heterosexual audience my impression is it's not been that great - but I could be wrong.
#93
Off the Record / Re: The China Thread
Last post by Jacob - May 15, 2022, 11:04:11 AM
Wouldn't it just put a shine on 2022 if both Xi and Putin exited this year?

Not that I expect any replacements to be better, but it's still pleasant on a personal level.
#94
Off the Record / Re: Finland, Sweden + NATO
Last post by Josquius - May 15, 2022, 10:56:21 AM
QuoteLots of people are evil. Abortion in the US, immigration, the war, both the western response and the Russian response, are just a few of the current issues where one side is outright evil and/or bloodthirsty.

The classical response and reaction to democracy is that they had to stop the vicious warmongering that democracy resulted in. Todays democratic
states have limits to the popular will for a reason.
Sure.
But the anti choice side in abortion for instance makes the excuse that it's about dead babies and god doesn't like people messing with his plan and all that sort of thing.
They aren't proposing evil laws specifically to cause bad things to happen. The women dying in back alley abortions is just a side effect they don't see as a priority in the slightest. Not a goal in itself.
And that's a right wing cause where you actually do sometimes to see causing harm to others as a goal in itself (though even there it's less about the harm and more their stupid zero sum world view meaning others suffering is good for them).

Quote from: The Brain on May 15, 2022, 10:47:14 AM]

If it helps you sleep at night.

I've actually known a number of these people and spoken to them. Circles I am in often overlap.
Yours do not.

You should be smarter than swallowing the moustache twirling evil for evils sake simple version.
#95
Off the Record / Re: Finland, Sweden + NATO
Last post by Jacob - May 15, 2022, 10:55:03 AM
Quote from: The Brain on May 15, 2022, 10:47:14 AMIf it helps you sleep at night.

Same to you my friend. Hope you sleep like a baby.
#96
Off the Record / Re: [Canada] Canadian Politics...
Last post by Jacob - May 15, 2022, 10:52:25 AM
From the Star, so not inclined towards Poiliever... but makes some good points nonetheless IMO.

QuotePierre Poilievre should have Conservatives worried about his potential to self-destruct — and to take the party with him[/u]

MONTREAL—This was the week when Conservative front-runner Pierre Poilievre could have sealed his leadership deal.

With a widely acknowledged lead on his rivals, he had two opportunities in the shape of successive leadership debates to step into a more prime ministerial picture frame and start unifying the party and eventually the country behind him.

More than a few CPC members watched the debates for signs Poilievre had the maturity to build bridges, not just firebomb them.

There are Conservatives who, even as they wish for former premier Jean Charest or Brampton Mayor Patrick Brown to become the next leader, still worry that one or the other could end up driving a critical mass of CPC voters to Maxime Bernier's Peoples' party.

On that basis, it would not have taken all that much on Poilievre's part — perhaps just a stroll on the high road — to reconcile a significant number of those whose first choice in the Sept. 10 leadership vote is another candidate with the prospect that the campaign is more than ever his to lose.

At the same time, many Conservative outsiders were curious to find out what the buzz was about with Poilievre, and whether he stacked up as a credible alternative to the current prime minister.

With Justin Trudeau in his third term, it is not just CPC members currently in good standing who could see their way to support regime change on Parliament Hill in the next election.

To both constituencies, Poilievre offered a performance that seemed designed to shore up his reputation as an attack dog even at any cost.

It is not that he stumbled out of the debate gate, but rather that he deliberately opted for the scorched earth approach that has become his trademark in dealing with anyone who challenges his dogmas.

As a result, his performance on the debate podium had raised a barrage of internal and external doubts about his capacity to lead a united Conservative party in the next election and his suitability to become the prime minister.

Let's take those in order.

Poilievre entered the leadership campaign with the reputation of a take-no-prisoners performer in the House of Commons. But what the debates have shown is that he also does not play well with other conservatives and the diverse factions within the right that they represent.

Over the course of the two debates, he has not had a good word to say about either of his two main rivals (or anyone else for that matter).

On the contrary, he has questioned Charest's integrity and suggested Brown is a habitual liar. Those are terms of engagement that would not really have their place even in the more adversarial setting of an election debate.

(In passing, it is worth noting that both men secured positions of greater political responsibility on their way to their respective leadership bids than the Ottawa MP, in regions where the CPC desperately needs to make inroads if it is ever to return to government.)

At the same time, Poilievre's approach to fiscal policy — if it can be called that — was shown to play poorly outside of the alternate universe of his leadership campaign.

By dropping a line in his opening debate statement on Thursday about firing the governor of the Bank of Canada, Poilievre most assuredly won the night's headlines. But it was a self-defeating victory.

Poilievre's latest salvo against the Bank of Canada was described as baseless and reckless in The Globe and Mail and called outrageous in the Star. National Post columnist Kelly McParland wrote: "Pierre Poilievre is too big a risk to lead the Conservatives."


Poilievre's brain trust will undoubtedly dismiss this barrage of criticism as a sign that his potential advent as leader inspires widespread fear within the so-called mainstream media. To date, why that would be a positive development for the CPC has remained unexplained.

If the promise to fire the governor of the Bank of Canada served any positive purpose for Poilievre on Thursday night, it was as a diversion. As it happens, he really needed one.

Just a bit more than a month ago, the party's former finance critic was touting cryptocurrency as a means for Canadians "to opt out of inflation."

With the floor falling from under the crypto market this week, that call does not show well on a leadership candidate who wants voters to believe he is financially literate enough to second guess the Bank of Canada.


Far from feeling energized by the leadership debates, there is growing concern within the ranks of the Conservative party about the self-destructive potential of the leadership campaign.

Those concerns are well-founded.

Poilievre's debate performances may be doing more damage to the party brand than to his own leadership prospects.

https://www.thestar.com/politics/political-opinion/2022/05/14/pierre-poilievre-should-have-conservatives-worried-about-his-potential-to-self-destruct-and-to-take-the-party-with-him.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
#97
Off the Record / Re: Finland, Sweden + NATO
Last post by The Brain - May 15, 2022, 10:47:14 AM
Quote from: Josquius on May 15, 2022, 10:28:09 AM
Quote from: The Brain on May 15, 2022, 10:21:51 AM
Quote from: Josquius on May 15, 2022, 10:20:51 AM
Quote from: The Brain on May 15, 2022, 10:20:05 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 14, 2022, 04:48:47 PMThe Western admirers of the Soviet Union didn't believe that the Soviets did all those horrible things.  It was just Capitalist propaganda.

Yes they did. Many, many people want oppression and mass murder. It isn't more complicated than that.

Don't be silly.

I don't follow.

Not many people sit around cackling like cartoon villains about how much evil they will sow.
Even the baddest of the bad rarely (want to) realise they're the baddies and will see dark deeds as necessary evils, accidents, actions they were forced into, or exaggerations and lies.
With left wingers especially its rare you run into people who think simply "owning" oppressed groups is a worthy goal in itself.

If it helps you sleep at night.
#98
Off the Record / Re: Finland, Sweden + NATO
Last post by Threviel - May 15, 2022, 10:45:27 AM
Lots of people are evil. Abortion in the US, immigration, the war, both the western response and the Russian response, are just a few of the current issues where one side is outright evil and/or bloodthirsty.

The classical response and reaction to democracy is that they had to stop the vicious warmongering that democracy resulted in. Todays democratic
states have limits to the popular will for a reason.
#99
Off the Record / Re: Star Trek Picard and Str...
Last post by Syt - May 15, 2022, 10:30:23 AM
It's funny, though, that the OpEd is by David Marcus. Which is the name of Kirk's son, shanked by Emmett Brown in Star Trek III. :lol:
#100
Off the Record / Re: Finland, Sweden + NATO
Last post by Josquius - May 15, 2022, 10:28:09 AM
Quote from: The Brain on May 15, 2022, 10:21:51 AM
Quote from: Josquius on May 15, 2022, 10:20:51 AM
Quote from: The Brain on May 15, 2022, 10:20:05 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 14, 2022, 04:48:47 PMThe Western admirers of the Soviet Union didn't believe that the Soviets did all those horrible things.  It was just Capitalist propaganda.

Yes they did. Many, many people want oppression and mass murder. It isn't more complicated than that.

Don't be silly.

I don't follow.

Not many people sit around cackling like cartoon villains about how much evil they will sow.
Even the baddest of the bad rarely (want to) realise they're the baddies and will see dark deeds as necessary evils, accidents, actions they were forced into, or exaggerations and lies.
With left wingers especially its rare you run into people who think simply "owning" oppressed groups is a worthy goal in itself.