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Last post by garbon - Today at 03:16:19 AM

... I guess? Perhaps more worried about the slippery slope of the defence is more accurate? It's a tik tok, so I don't care. Someone is trying to get views, good for them. I guess they get money for it?

That being said just because I don't really care I don't think someone who has a view that the trend is insidious, like say Josq, isn't  wholly without merit.

Ostensibly the point of the 'meme' is to highlight to men the danger that they pose. It isn't to educate women as they already know men are a danger. Trying to spread that recognition isn't trying to 'turn genders against each other' but rather maybe naively hoping that if men are aware, they'll do better.

That's a bit different than saying if someone did so with races. For one, presumably one would be attempting to perpetuate stereotypes about racial minorities. That's leave aside nuances of numbers and proportionality as I'm sure there are cuts that could show what we all know...white people are dangerous.

#2

Off the Record / Re: NHL Hockey thread

Last post by HVC - Today at 02:44:28 AM

Series comeback, take game 7 lead, only for a few minutes later tied and lose in OT. Leafs fan experience to a T

May I interest you in: PWHL Toronto? 

I'm ashamed to say that if the PWHL Toronto team did better then the NHL team it would irk me some

I would be up for watching/following another team. Say Montreal. Or at least giving it an honest attempt. Give me a little bit to grieve and shun hockey as a "stupid game that doesn't matter anyway" to make me feel better though.

#3

Off the Record / Re: The Off Topic Topic

Last post by The Brain - Today at 02:41:30 AM

I suspect that a woman has a much higher chance of scaring off a bear than scaring off a man.

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Last post by HVC - Today at 02:41:22 AM

Hmmm... well... I live in a place where bears are fairly frequent. I can tell you that more women are killed by men every year than are killed by bears. I'd wager that the number of incidents of women having had encounters where they felt threatened or scared by a man's behaviour is orders of magnitude greater than those who've had scary encounters with bears. I think most women have felt endangered by a man at some point in there lives; and if they haven't, they know a women who has. I doubt the same is true when it comes to bears.

Perhaps if you calculated the rate of scary encounters and the rate of murders per encounter, men would be statistically safer than bears due to the large number of encounters. But in terms of absolute numbers men have a much higher impact on women's safety than bears.

It seems only natural that this would impact women's threat perception. And it seems pretty silly to be offended by that, IMO.

My only real qualm, slight as it is, with this reasoning is that if a similar tik tok was produced with ethnicities rather that a human vs bear scenario then similar reasoning could be used to defend it.

We are now worried about the slippery slope of tik tok arguments?

... I guess? Perhaps more worried about the slippery slope of the defence is more accurate? It's a tik tok, so I don't care. Someone is trying to get views, good for them. I guess they get money for it?

That being said just because I don't really care I don't think someone who has a view that the trend is insidious, like say Josq, isn't  wholly without merit.

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Last post by garbon - Today at 02:36:16 AM

Hmmm... well... I live in a place where bears are fairly frequent. I can tell you that more women are killed by men every year than are killed by bears. I'd wager that the number of incidents of women having had encounters where they felt threatened or scared by a man's behaviour is orders of magnitude greater than those who've had scary encounters with bears. I think most women have felt endangered by a man at some point in there lives; and if they haven't, they know a women who has. I doubt the same is true when it comes to bears.

Perhaps if you calculated the rate of scary encounters and the rate of murders per encounter, men would be statistically safer than bears due to the large number of encounters. But in terms of absolute numbers men have a much higher impact on women's safety than bears.

It seems only natural that this would impact women's threat perception. And it seems pretty silly to be offended by that, IMO.

My only real qualm, slight as it is, with this reasoning is that if a similar tik tok was produced with ethnicities rather that a human vs bear scenario then similar reasoning could be used to defend it.

We are now worried about the slippery slope of tik tok arguments?

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Off the Record / Re: NHL Hockey thread

Last post by Sophie Scholl - Today at 02:30:15 AM

Series comeback, take game 7 lead, only for a few minutes later tied and lose in OT. Leafs fan experience to a T

May I interest you in: PWHL Toronto? 

#7

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Last post by HVC - Today at 02:19:59 AM

What are you doing up at this hour HVC? Go to bed!

 Haha, it was my aunts 91st birthday, and as a general rule Portuguese get togethers tend to go late.

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Last post by Jacob - Today at 02:17:32 AM

What are you doing up at this hour HVC? Go to bed!

#9

Off the Record / Re: The Off Topic Topic

Last post by HVC - Today at 02:14:07 AM

Hmmm... well... I live in a place where bears are fairly frequent. I can tell you that more women are killed by men every year than are killed by bears. I'd wager that the number of incidents of women having had encounters where they felt threatened or scared by a man's behaviour is orders of magnitude greater than those who've had scary encounters with bears. I think most women have felt endangered by a man at some point in there lives; and if they haven't, they know a women who has. I doubt the same is true when it comes to bears.

Perhaps if you calculated the rate of scary encounters and the rate of murders per encounter, men would be statistically safer than bears due to the large number of encounters. But in terms of absolute numbers men have a much higher impact on women's safety than bears.

It seems only natural that this would impact women's threat perception. And it seems pretty silly to be offended by that, IMO.

My only real qualm, slight as it is, with this reasoning is that if a similar tik tok was produced with ethnicities rather that a human vs bear scenario then similar reasoning could be used to defend it.

[It's the usual tick tock shit to try and turn genders against each other.]

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Last post by garbon - Today at 02:04:39 AM

My mind could be changed with reliable statistics but i strongly suspect the bear is infinitely more dangerous.

I suspect the statistics will be broken and include all forms of sexual violence as points against men rather than the specific randomly raping or killing a stranger one we are looking at here.

They're also unlikely to account for the relatively low number of bears and their tendency to avoid areas full of humans.

It's the usual tick tock shit to try and turn genders against each other.

That doesn't appear to be the goal.