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Title: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 24, 2009, 01:50:38 PM
I might as well create a consolidated Apple thread.   :)

First bit of news - Snow Leopard ships August 27th!!!!11111

http://www.apple.com/macosx/

I think I'm going to combine my order with the more RAM I've been hankering for... :shifty:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on August 24, 2009, 03:29:51 PM
Snow Leopard will change your life.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 24, 2009, 03:34:07 PM
Quote from: derspiess on August 24, 2009, 03:29:51 PM
Snow Leopard will change your life.

It will change your computing life...  :)

And all for $29.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Razgovory on August 24, 2009, 04:04:57 PM
I figure you'd seen enough snow.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 24, 2009, 04:07:58 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 24, 2009, 04:04:57 PM
I figure you'd seen enough snow.

It's a type of cat Raz.

:rolleyes:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 24, 2009, 04:28:37 PM
Quote from: Armyknife on August 24, 2009, 04:19:57 PM
And this is news ?  :huh:

In the last couple of weeks, I've flashed the firmware on my phone, camera and digital video box; news worthy ? :unsure:

Yes it is.  There are 5-6 Apple users out there, so I'm let them know there's a brand new version of OS X that's being released this week.  :)

This is not a minor bug fix, but rather a whole new version.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on August 24, 2009, 04:32:59 PM
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Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Eddie Teach on August 24, 2009, 04:35:27 PM
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Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on August 24, 2009, 04:41:39 PM
Quote from: Armyknife on August 24, 2009, 04:19:57 PM
And this is news ?  :huh:

In the last couple of weeks, I've flashed the firmware on my phone, camera and digital video box; news worthy ? :unsure:

ONLY if it had an Apple logo.  Then you have to throw a friggin' parade.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on August 24, 2009, 04:42:53 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 24, 2009, 04:28:37 PM
This is not a minor bug fix, but rather a whole new version.

Don't sell it short.  It's a whole new level of being.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 24, 2009, 04:44:41 PM
Quote from: derspiess on August 24, 2009, 04:42:53 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 24, 2009, 04:28:37 PM
This is not a minor bug fix, but rather a whole new version.

Don't sell it short.  It's a whole new level of being.

I whole new level of being for my Mac Pro, I suppose...  :unsure:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on August 24, 2009, 06:52:32 PM
BTW, because I love being an Apple-Certified BuzzKill, S' MacBook Pro fell again. 6 inches, and the CD drive is probably shot. I'm absolutely loving that Apple reliability. ;)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 24, 2009, 06:58:19 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on August 24, 2009, 06:52:32 PM
BTW, because I love being an Apple-Certified BuzzKill, S' MacBook Pro fell again. 6 inches, and the CD drive is probably shot. I'm absolutely loving that Apple reliability. ;)

Stop dropping your MacBook then.   :huh:

I mean really.  I dropped my POS Dell once and it still worked, but if it hadn't I wouldn't be blaming Dell.  Plus I don't think that Apple ever claimed that its DVD drives were any more or less reliable than any other standard PC component.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on August 24, 2009, 07:02:09 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 24, 2009, 06:58:19 PM
Stop dropping your MacBook then.   :huh:

I mean really.  I dropped my POS Dell once and it still worked, but if it hadn't I wouldn't be blaming Dell.  Plus I don't think that Apple ever claimed that its DVD drives were any more or less reliable than any other standard PC component.

I already spent the afternoon yelling at her to be more careful with it. If it was a 6-foot fall, you'd have a point, but not protecting components enough to survive a 6-inch fall is a major design flaw in something that's supposed to be portable. You can get 6 inches of air in a bumpy car ride.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Jaron on August 24, 2009, 07:02:54 PM
Drop a baby.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 24, 2009, 07:07:00 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on August 24, 2009, 07:02:09 PM
You can get 6 inches of air in a bumpy car ride.

For Chrissakes slow down!

Objects inside my car have never gotten "6 inches of air", and I've driven some of the worst roads imaginable.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on August 24, 2009, 07:20:23 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 24, 2009, 07:07:00 PM
For Chrissakes slow down!

Objects inside my car have never gotten "6 inches of air", and I've driven some of the worst roads imaginable.

You haven't experienced the lovely graded railroad crossings of scenic NJ- if you've just gotten a drink with a lid from a fast food joint, it's the quickest and cheapest colonoscopy you'll ever have.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Valdemar on August 25, 2009, 06:17:10 AM
Mac.. a reliable way to get a trip to the hardware store..

here they've been selling mac books of various kinds that lose all letters on the keyboard.. ppl have to draw new ones themselves because surely it is not a production failure when they rub of after 3 months..

They also sell the lovely model where the inboard connectivity fails to the extend they only work if ppl screw a clamp unto it to squeeze it enough for connectors to meet. (dunno the english word for the thing you use when pinning for instance a board to drill or saw it?)

Apple still refuse to recognise either as a fault :D

V
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Martinus on August 25, 2009, 06:21:31 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on August 25, 2009, 06:17:10 AM
Mac.. a reliable way to get a trip to the hardware store..
I've been using my MacBook for over a year, my iPhone for 11 months, and my iMac for 8 months now and I didn't have any hardware concerns whatsoever with any of them.  :huh:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Valdemar on August 25, 2009, 06:35:49 AM
That, unfortunately, is no longer true here. The number of filed complaints of failing macs, and possibly increasing the anger, the refusals of Apple to handle the complaints are getting them on the bad standing list with several of my friends who used to be as much fanbois as BB :)

V
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on August 25, 2009, 11:13:49 AM
wow computer companies with crap service. wow. film @11.  :rolleyes:

That said back in tha day I dropped my ibook several times. no problems. it only died when i spilled beer in it. reasonable that that wasn't covered in warranty (which had lapsed 2 weeks before beer spill anyways.) I've had other non mac computers and had about the same amont of issues with them.

Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on August 25, 2009, 11:15:26 AM
The best feature I see in Snow Leopard is the more reliable disc eject.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 25, 2009, 11:17:30 AM
Grr...

I can't find an online vendor that can sell me both Snow Leopard AND cheap RAM upgrades.  The price Apple charges is absolutely insane (5-10x what it costs for no-name stuff).
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 25, 2009, 11:18:13 AM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on August 25, 2009, 11:15:26 AM
The best feature I see in Snow Leopard is the more reliable disc eject.

Actually the best feature is a 7GB smaller install size. :)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Threviel on August 25, 2009, 11:41:28 AM
And I'm really looking forward to the rumored tablet. I am possibly going to buy a new laptop, and a tablet that could be used for note-takings in college would be perfect.

The wife keeps on nagging about the rumored apple-TV, the one built in to an actual TV, she won't buy a new tv unless it's with an apple on.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on August 25, 2009, 12:44:39 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 25, 2009, 11:17:30 AM
Grr...

I can't find an online vendor that can sell me both Snow Leopard AND cheap RAM upgrades.  The price Apple charges is absolutely insane (5-10x what it costs for no-name stuff).

See, THAT'S my real issue with Apple. I gripe about shoddy construction and piss-poor technical support, but really, lots of computer makers do that- at least you can usually tell by the price what you're getting. Apple has no excuse anymore to be charging the amounts that it is. Even Alienware doesn't, since being acquired by Dell.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 25, 2009, 12:54:38 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on August 25, 2009, 12:44:39 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 25, 2009, 11:17:30 AM
Grr...

I can't find an online vendor that can sell me both Snow Leopard AND cheap RAM upgrades.  The price Apple charges is absolutely insane (5-10x what it costs for no-name stuff).

See, THAT'S my real issue with Apple. I gripe about shoddy construction and piss-poor technical support, but really, lots of computer makers do that- at least you can usually tell by the price what you're getting. Apple has no excuse anymore to be charging the amounts that it is. Even Alienware doesn't, since being acquired by Dell.

You know I very nicely made a specific Apple thread so I could talk about Apple stuff.  You're free to come and piss on Steve Jobs if you really want, but I wonder why?

Apple computer themselves are reasonably priced when you look at the exact components.  When I bought my Mac Pro I priced out identical PCs, and the price was almost identical.  But you had to be very specific in what you were pricing out - in the case of the Mac Pro that meant pricing out a quad-core Xeon.  Or if you compare an iMac you have to compare to other all-on-one form factors.

But one thing that Apple will screw you on is memory.  I really don't know why.  That's why I ordered my system with the factory minimum in both RAM and harddrive - because non-Apple components would be much cheaper.  But the system itself was fairly priced.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Valdemar on August 25, 2009, 01:51:39 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on August 25, 2009, 11:13:49 AM
wow computer companies with crap service. wow. film @11.  :rolleyes:

That said back in tha day I dropped my ibook several times. no problems. it only died when i spilled beer in it. reasonable that that wasn't covered in warranty (which had lapsed 2 weeks before beer spill anyways.) I've had other non mac computers and had about the same amont of issues with them.

That is actually the film at 11 cause over here in Scandiweenia consumer laws regarding such minimal warranty issues as having letters on keyboards and not needing to screw a clamp on a 3 months old laptop to make it work.

So when Apple unlike every other hardware company chose to ignore it then that IS Mac specific. Whne it also comes on top of a record of makig BETTER hardware than the rest that only makes Apple seem more arrogant.

And, BB, consider our bitching a payback for all your Mac comments in PC threads :p  :hug:

V
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 25, 2009, 01:53:29 PM
Quote from: Valdemar on August 25, 2009, 01:51:39 PM
And, BB, consider our bitching a payback for all your Mac comments in PC threads :p  :hug:

V

But I'm very deliberate in PC threads.  I don't say "PCs are crap, M$ is teh evol".  I just, you know, bring up Apple. :shifty:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on August 25, 2009, 02:21:06 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 25, 2009, 12:54:38 PM
You know I very nicely made a specific Apple thread so I could talk about Apple stuff.  You're free to come and piss on Steve Jobs if you really want, but I wonder why?

Apple computer themselves are reasonably priced when you look at the exact components.  When I bought my Mac Pro I priced out identical PCs, and the price was almost identical.  But you had to be very specific in what you were pricing out - in the case of the Mac Pro that meant pricing out a quad-core Xeon.  Or if you compare an iMac you have to compare to other all-on-one form factors.

But one thing that Apple will screw you on is memory.  I really don't know why.  That's why I ordered my system with the factory minimum in both RAM and harddrive - because non-Apple components would be much cheaper.  But the system itself was fairly priced.

You know, I decided to verify the bolded part. On Newegg, I could piece together an equivalent system (downgrading the OpenGL 3.0 GTX 120 to an OpenGL 2.1 GeForce 9500 GT, upgrading the DVD±R to 22x for reasons of exact models not being available, and assuming a 950W power supply to be on the safe side). The only things I haven't factored in are keyboard and mouse. Oh, and I added a bluetooth adapter to make sure that functionality was present.

Some things to note: almost no manufacturers use DDR3 1066; there's some DDR2 1066, but most DDR3 systems have a faster FSB.

Including Vista Ultimate, I come in at $1027.88. Now, try to tell me how much of a steal that Mac Pro is, at $2,499.00
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadImmortalMan on August 25, 2009, 02:25:01 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on August 25, 2009, 02:21:06 PM
Including Vista Ultimate, I come in at $1027.88. Now, try to tell me how much of a steal that Mac Pro is, at $2,499.00

I'll sell you a sticker with an apple on it for your case for $1400 if you want.  :)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Valdemar on August 25, 2009, 02:25:55 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 25, 2009, 01:53:29 PM
Quote from: Valdemar on August 25, 2009, 01:51:39 PM
And, BB, consider our bitching a payback for all your Mac comments in PC threads :p  :hug:

V

But I'm very deliberate in PC threads.  I don't say "PCs are crap, M$ is teh evol".  I just, you know, bring up Apple. :shifty:

And I only point out why Apple have no reason to be particullary smug given it is now down to overpriced design :)

V
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on August 25, 2009, 02:34:45 PM
Speculation is that the luster may be fading from Apple's brand.  iPhone users are up in arms over Apple's approval process for apps in the app store (particularly the Google Phone app) and Apple's overall customer satisfaction fell pretty sharply last quarter (though they still rank first due to the fanboy delusion factor). 

Looks like it's time for Steve Jobs to swoop in & save the day with his new liver.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on August 25, 2009, 02:37:48 PM
Btw, my sister in law who is in visiting was looking for a new iPod.  But now she wants a: Zune :cool:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DisturbedPervert on August 25, 2009, 02:58:24 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on August 25, 2009, 11:15:26 AM
The best feature I see in Snow Leopard is the more reliable disc eject.

What?  Mac's still don't have a mechanical disc eject button?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on August 25, 2009, 03:02:14 PM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on August 25, 2009, 02:58:24 PM
What?  Mac's still don't have a mechanical disc eject button?

There's no room in the current crop of MacBooks- they've got them thin and light, but they had to sacrifice a lot of safety mechanisms (particularly cooling- those things run HOT) to do so.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on August 25, 2009, 03:04:23 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Jaron on August 25, 2009, 03:11:29 PM
Someone told me they saw a blind woman touch an iMac and get her vision back..
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 25, 2009, 03:28:16 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on August 25, 2009, 02:21:06 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 25, 2009, 12:54:38 PM
You know I very nicely made a specific Apple thread so I could talk about Apple stuff.  You're free to come and piss on Steve Jobs if you really want, but I wonder why?

Apple computer themselves are reasonably priced when you look at the exact components.  When I bought my Mac Pro I priced out identical PCs, and the price was almost identical.  But you had to be very specific in what you were pricing out - in the case of the Mac Pro that meant pricing out a quad-core Xeon.  Or if you compare an iMac you have to compare to other all-on-one form factors.

But one thing that Apple will screw you on is memory.  I really don't know why.  That's why I ordered my system with the factory minimum in both RAM and harddrive - because non-Apple components would be much cheaper.  But the system itself was fairly priced.

You know, I decided to verify the bolded part. On Newegg, I could piece together an equivalent system (downgrading the OpenGL 3.0 GTX 120 to an OpenGL 2.1 GeForce 9500 GT, upgrading the DVD±R to 22x for reasons of exact models not being available, and assuming a 950W power supply to be on the safe side). The only things I haven't factored in are keyboard and mouse. Oh, and I added a bluetooth adapter to make sure that functionality was present.

Some things to note: almost no manufacturers use DDR3 1066; there's some DDR2 1066, but most DDR3 systems have a faster FSB.

Including Vista Ultimate, I come in at $1027.88. Now, try to tell me how much of a steal that Mac Pro is, at $2,499.00

Without even looking I am almost certain I know what you did wrong.

What kind of processor did you price out?

The current Mac Pro uses:

Quote8-core: Two 2.26GHz, 2.66GHz, or 2.93GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon 5500 series processors
Quad-core: One 2.66GHz or 2.93GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon 3500 series processor

You can definitely price out a cheaper quad or octo-core computer at the same speeds.  But they won't be Nehalem Xeon processors, which are much more expensive.

What did you use for memory?

The current Mac Pro uses:

Quote1066MHz DDR3 ECC SDRAM
8-core: Eight memory slots (four per processor) supporting up to 32GB of main memory using 1GB, 2GB, or 4GB DIMMs
Quad-core: Four memory slots supporting up to 8GB of main memory using 1GB or 2GB DIMMs

I believe the ECC part is more expensive and not what you'd typically put in a home system.  I don't know the current system as well (I have the '08 model) but it was also FD-DIMM memory, which again is more expensive.

The computer is certainly expensive.  You could certainly make the argument that for what I use it for I could find a computer that is just as good for a whole lot less.  But for those basic components I don't think you can say Apple overcharges compared to what other manufacturers would charge for the exact same components.



Oh, there is one other thing on Apple pricing.  Apple components tend to be very price-competitive (again - for identical components) when first announced or released.  however Apple doesn't reduce the price of its computers over time.  So if you buy a system that is a year or more since its last hardware refresh the price of the system will be unchanged, while the price of the components will have dropped.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 25, 2009, 03:31:24 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on August 25, 2009, 03:02:14 PM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on August 25, 2009, 02:58:24 PM
What?  Mac's still don't have a mechanical disc eject button?

There's no room in the current crop of MacBooks- they've got them thin and light, but they had to sacrifice a lot of safety mechanisms (particularly cooling- those things run HOT) to do so.

Good Lord, where do you get this stuff?

I mean really.  "they had to sacrifice a lot of safety mechanisms"?  I'm going to ask you to either prove that statement or retract it.  And by prove it I mean link me to some kind of independent review that says Apple sacrifices safety mechanisms.

Apple doesn't do separate disc eject buttons.  They never have.  My Mac Pro, which has an enormous amount of space, doesn't have one.  It has nothing to do with safety or room, it's a design decision.

If that bothers you, fine.  BUt don't just make shit up about why they do it.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Berkut on August 25, 2009, 03:36:07 PM
That is like saying that an Apple is not over-priced, because if you waste a huge amount of money on another computer that also has overly expensive components with giant profit margins that provide no real benefit to the user, then in fact it is about the same.

No, it is still grossly over-priced, since normal people don't buy Xeon processors or waste money on DDR3 ECC RAM.

You are essentially arguing that a Ferrari is not overly expensive because it is no more pricey than an equivalent Porscha, except that in this case the Toyota actually performs as well or better anyway.

That is the real kicker - your $2500 doesn't really get you anything. Sure, if I price out a PC with A Quad Xeon, it will cost a fortune as well. On the other hand, I could price out a PC that will perform as well or better than your Mac *without* a Xeon, and will cost a lot less. Because you don't need a Xeon, and you don't need ECC memory, and you would be much better off spending a fraction of the cost of those items on a better video card, for example.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 25, 2009, 03:45:43 PM
Quote from: Berkut on August 25, 2009, 03:36:07 PM
You are essentially arguing that a Ferrari is not overly expensive because it is no more pricey than an equivalent Porscha, except that in this case the Toyota actually performs as well or better anyway.

That is the anti-Martinus analogy, in that it is correct.

I wouldn't say that a Toyota "performs well or better" that a Ferrari.  In certain circumstances the Ferrari will very clearly outperform your Toyota.  However both are probably just as effective at driving you to work during rush-hour traffic.  Which when you consider that most of what I do on my Mac is surf the web and play WoW pretty much is the computing equivalent to driving in rush hour traffic.   :Embarrass:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DisturbedPervert on August 25, 2009, 03:52:41 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 25, 2009, 03:31:24 PM
Apple doesn't do separate disc eject buttons.  They never have.  My Mac Pro, which has an enormous amount of space, doesn't have one.  It has nothing to do with safety or room, it's a design decision.


I've never understood, what is the point of this design decision? 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on August 25, 2009, 03:52:44 PM
Kentsfield. 2.66GHz quad-core, 16MB cache.

All of the RAM I was looking at was ECC unbuffered.

I went by numbers, not by names.

EDIT: BTW, before you start spouting off how "fair" it is, here's another thing to consider- a system that's entirely composed of bleeding-edge-in-its-category manufacture won't necessarily play well together. It's already caused problems with chipsets in both iMacs and MBPs.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on August 25, 2009, 03:54:28 PM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on August 25, 2009, 03:52:41 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 25, 2009, 03:31:24 PM
Apple doesn't do separate disc eject buttons.  They never have.  My Mac Pro, which has an enormous amount of space, doesn't have one.  It has nothing to do with safety or room, it's a design decision.


I've never understood, what is the point of this design decision? 

Who knows? In terms of big names, they're the only ones who don't do it. I would also question that "design decision" considering numerous reports of stuck CDs.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 25, 2009, 04:17:49 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on August 25, 2009, 03:52:44 PM
Kentsfield. 2.66GHz quad-core, 16MB cache.

All of the RAM I was looking at was ECC unbuffered.

I went by numbers, not by names.

:frusty:

The Mac Pro has a Nehalem 5500 series processor.  Released December '08.

You compared it to a Kentfield 3200 series processor.  Released January '07.

Please tell me that you know that processors can be very, very different in terms of performance even using the same clock speed.

And by the way the Mac Pro has buffered memory if I recall correctly.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 25, 2009, 04:19:09 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on August 25, 2009, 03:52:44 PM
EDIT: BTW, before you start spouting off how "fair" it is, here's another thing to consider- a system that's entirely composed of bleeding-edge-in-its-category manufacture won't necessarily play well together. It's already caused problems with chipsets in both iMacs and MBPs.

Prove it.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on August 25, 2009, 04:21:26 PM
Man, Beeb is about to pull a knife on everybody
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Berkut on August 25, 2009, 04:22:31 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 25, 2009, 04:21:26 PM
Man, Beeb is about to pull a knife on everybody

Just another example of the power of tribalism in the human psyche.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 25, 2009, 04:22:45 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 25, 2009, 04:21:26 PM
Man, Beeb is about to pull a knife on everybody

I'll cut you - I mean it!
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 25, 2009, 04:23:09 PM
Quote from: Berkut on August 25, 2009, 04:22:31 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 25, 2009, 04:21:26 PM
Man, Beeb is about to pull a knife on everybody

Just another example of the power of tribalism in the human psyche.

I thought I just agreed with you?   :huh:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Berkut on August 25, 2009, 04:25:24 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 25, 2009, 04:23:09 PM
Quote from: Berkut on August 25, 2009, 04:22:31 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 25, 2009, 04:21:26 PM
Man, Beeb is about to pull a knife on everybody

Just another example of the power of tribalism in the human psyche.

I thought I just agreed with you?   :huh:

You did - but since my point was that your defense of Apple was rather misguided and irrational, you were just agreeing that you were in fact in the grip of that very tribalism I am talking about.

You are a member of AppleClan, and so must fight those who would slander it! Even if it makes no sense!

GO APPLE!
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on August 25, 2009, 04:25:40 PM
Beeb reminds me of the people in the Mac store(the Mac Depot in Dayton) a year or two ago. Eyes glazed over and foaming at the mouth.  :P
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 25, 2009, 04:29:36 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 25, 2009, 04:25:40 PM
Beeb reminds me of the people in the Mac store(the Mac Depot in Dayton) a year or two ago. Eyes glazed over and foaming at the mouth.  :P

That was toothpaste. :angry:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DisturbedPervert on August 25, 2009, 04:34:11 PM
Quote from: Berkut on August 25, 2009, 04:25:24 PM
You are a member of AppleClan, and so must fight those who would slander it!

And since most are too apathetic about Apple to bother even thinking about it, he has to bring it up or he'd never get the chance.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on August 25, 2009, 09:36:51 PM
QuoteBrussels Investigates Exploding iPhones
The European Commission asks iPhone manufacturer Apple to provide more information on cases of burning and exploding iPods and iPhones
By Leigh Phillips

A series of alleged cases of "exploding" iPhones and iPods in a handful of EU member states in which overheated devices "crackle and pop like a deep-frier" before breaking apart or catching fire, have provoked the European Commission into requesting manufacturer Apple (AAPL.O) and EU member states provide information on the possible dangers of two of the company's most popular products.

"At the end of last week, we asked Apple and the member states where the incidents occurred to provide us with information on the matter," commission spokesperson Ton Van Lierop, currently charged with the industry and enterprise dossier, told EUobserver.

In the space of a month, three such cases have troubled the EU executive, responsible for overseeing the safety of consumer products across the 27-country bloc, two in France and one in the UK.

According to French financial daily Les Echos, witnesses to the most recent incident in Aix-en-Provence, France, reported that an iPhone suddenly began to "crackle and pop like a deep-frier" before breaking apart and hurling pieces of its screen everywhere. Bits of glass hit an adolescent boy in the eye, according to his parents.

The "exploding" iPhone episode comes days after a similar case in Marseilles, but in which the volatile device was one of Apple's iPod music players. In the UK a young girl at the beginning of August claimed that her overheadted iPod Touch jumped three metres in the air.

Separately, a Dutchman reported in July that he had left his iPhone in his car only to return to find that it had caught fire and damaged the vehicle.

The commission has only requested information from France and the UK, being unaware of the Dutch incident.

"No reports have yet come in via Rapex," Mr. Van Lierop said, referring to the EU rapid alert system for dangerous consumer products, while underscoring that it is still "too soon" to say what sort of action would be taken.

Rapex allows for the rapid exchange of information between EU countries and the commission of measures taken to deal with products posing a serious risk to consumers. However, any recall decisions remain with the EU member states themselves.

The EU request follows on the heels of an order from the Japanese government in January that Apple investigate scattered reports that iPod Nanos had caught fire or shot out sparks.

Apple spokespeople refused to comment on the issue despite repeated phone calls.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Threviel on August 25, 2009, 11:15:55 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 25, 2009, 04:19:09 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on August 25, 2009, 03:52:44 PM
EDIT: BTW, before you start spouting off how "fair" it is, here's another thing to consider- a system that's entirely composed of bleeding-edge-in-its-category manufacture won't necessarily play well together. It's already caused problems with chipsets in both iMacs and MBPs.

Prove it.

http://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/19/apple-releases-fix-for-macbook-pro-hard-drive-issues/

There have been issues...
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on August 25, 2009, 11:34:17 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on August 25, 2009, 03:54:28 PM
I would also question that "design decision" considering numerous reports of stuck CDs.

My sister "stole" my copy of Notes On A Scandal. I suppose one day she'll go into the Apple Store to get it retrieved. :weep:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on August 26, 2009, 07:26:23 AM
Quote from: Barrister on August 25, 2009, 04:17:49 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on August 25, 2009, 03:52:44 PM
Kentsfield. 2.66GHz quad-core, 16MB cache.

All of the RAM I was looking at was ECC unbuffered.

I went by numbers, not by names.

:frusty:

The Mac Pro has a Nehalem 5500 series processor.  Released December '08.

You compared it to a Kentfield 3200 series processor.  Released January '07.

Please tell me that you know that processors can be very, very different in terms of performance even using the same clock speed.

And by the way the Mac Pro has buffered memory if I recall correctly.

The only real difference between a Kentsfield and a Nehalem's performance is some additional multithreading capabilities that you'll never see used unless you're running the computer as a server for some reason or other.

As for the memory, it's weird because they're using slow RAM for something that's supposed to be a processing powerhouse. My guess is that they modified DDR2 boards to accept DDR3 to make it look more bleeding-edge (1066 is slow DDR3, but the max you can get for DDR2). Buffering might make a bit of difference, ECC absolutely will not, and in fact, might slow down the memory.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadImmortalMan on August 26, 2009, 11:28:48 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on August 26, 2009, 07:26:23 AM
The only real difference between a Kentsfield and a Nehalem's performance is some additional multithreading capabilities that you'll never see used unless you're running the computer as a server for some reason or other.

As for the memory, it's weird because they're using slow RAM for something that's supposed to be a processing powerhouse. My guess is that they modified DDR2 boards to accept DDR3 to make it look more bleeding-edge (1066 is slow DDR3, but the max you can get for DDR2). Buffering might make a bit of difference, ECC absolutely will not, and in fact, might slow down the memory.

Beeb can install ESX on there and then run five or six virtual macs in one!
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on August 26, 2009, 11:36:44 AM
I went to several stores that sell Apple products including the Apple Store, and couldn't find a copy of Civ 4. :angry:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 12:09:21 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 26, 2009, 11:28:48 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on August 26, 2009, 07:26:23 AM
The only real difference between a Kentsfield and a Nehalem's performance is some additional multithreading capabilities that you'll never see used unless you're running the computer as a server for some reason or other.

As for the memory, it's weird because they're using slow RAM for something that's supposed to be a processing powerhouse. My guess is that they modified DDR2 boards to accept DDR3 to make it look more bleeding-edge (1066 is slow DDR3, but the max you can get for DDR2). Buffering might make a bit of difference, ECC absolutely will not, and in fact, might slow down the memory.

Beeb can install ESX on there and then run five or six virtual macs in one!

Yay me! :yeah:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 01:03:25 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on August 26, 2009, 07:26:23 AM
The only real difference between a Kentsfield and a Nehalem's performance is some additional multithreading capabilities that you'll never see used unless you're running the computer as a server for some reason or other.

As for the memory, it's weird because they're using slow RAM for something that's supposed to be a processing powerhouse. My guess is that they modified DDR2 boards to accept DDR3 to make it look more bleeding-edge (1066 is slow DDR3, but the max you can get for DDR2). Buffering might make a bit of difference, ECC absolutely will not, and in fact, might slow down the memory.

But what was my original point?  You know, the one you were trying to verify (or not)?

Quote from: BarristerApple computer themselves are reasonably priced when you look at the exact components.

If you want to argue that you can get a computer that does everything a home user needs for a lot less you can make that point.  And I somewhat agree with it.  But that's not the point you were trying to refute earlier.


Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 01:04:45 PM
Quote from: Threviel on August 25, 2009, 11:15:55 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 25, 2009, 04:19:09 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on August 25, 2009, 03:52:44 PM
EDIT: BTW, before you start spouting off how "fair" it is, here's another thing to consider- a system that's entirely composed of bleeding-edge-in-its-category manufacture won't necessarily play well together. It's already caused problems with chipsets in both iMacs and MBPs.

Prove it.

http://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/19/apple-releases-fix-for-macbook-pro-hard-drive-issues/

There have been issues...

That has nothing to do with chipset problems, nor anything to do with "bleeding edge components not playing well with each other".

But I am not trying to say that Mac hardware is flawless.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on August 26, 2009, 02:14:49 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 01:03:25 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on August 26, 2009, 07:26:23 AM
The only real difference between a Kentsfield and a Nehalem's performance is some additional multithreading capabilities that you'll never see used unless you're running the computer as a server for some reason or other.

As for the memory, it's weird because they're using slow RAM for something that's supposed to be a processing powerhouse. My guess is that they modified DDR2 boards to accept DDR3 to make it look more bleeding-edge (1066 is slow DDR3, but the max you can get for DDR2). Buffering might make a bit of difference, ECC absolutely will not, and in fact, might slow down the memory.

But what was my original point?  You know, the one you were trying to verify (or not)?

Quote from: BarristerApple computer themselves are reasonably priced when you look at the exact components.

If you want to argue that you can get a computer that does everything a home user needs for a lot less you can make that point.  And I somewhat agree with it.  But that's not the point you were trying to refute earlier.

The point was that Macs are not worth the price. Simply comparing the parts by name doesn't do the job, since some of those parts are expensive only because of name, and are shaky from a construction point of view. In terms of actual function of the Mac Pro, it is not worth the price tag, because one can rely on safer, cheaper components to get the same performance. I've also put a nick in your "no bloatware" argument: they wouldn't dare, because they've bloated the components so much already.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on August 26, 2009, 02:27:11 PM
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abovethelaw.com%2Fimages%2Fentries%2Fanimated%2520siren%2520gif%2520animated%2520siren%2520gif%2520animated%2520siren%2520gif%2520drudge%2520report.GIF&hash=49db515e0625bfc944bfe88f4071376b849288a4)Apple news!

My wife's iPhone has stopped emitting any sorts of sounds, including when it is supposed to be ringing.  Various resets, weird internet "fixes" involving plugging and unplugging the headphones, etc, have done nothing.  No, it's not on silent mode. 

"It just works," my ass. 

As the official Apple rep of Languish, I demand that you fix it Beeb.  :mad:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 02:40:11 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 26, 2009, 02:27:11 PM
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abovethelaw.com%2Fimages%2Fentries%2Fanimated%2520siren%2520gif%2520animated%2520siren%2520gif%2520animated%2520siren%2520gif%2520drudge%2520report.GIF&hash=49db515e0625bfc944bfe88f4071376b849288a4)Apple news!

My wife's iPhone has stopped emitting any sorts of sounds, including when it is supposed to be ringing.  Various resets, weird internet "fixes" involving plugging and unplugging the headphones, etc, have done nothing.  No, it's not on silent mode. 

"It just works," my ass. 

As the official Apple rep of Languish, I demand that you fix it Beeb.  :mad:

Send it to me and  I'll take care of it for you... :shifty:

That sucks MBM.  Sounds like more of a hardware problem.  Take it back to AT&T/Apple?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on August 26, 2009, 02:40:48 PM
I hope her phone doesn't explode.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Syt on August 26, 2009, 02:41:29 PM
I'm still waiting for Rockbox to come to the iPod Classic series.  <_<
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on August 26, 2009, 02:48:53 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 02:40:11 PM
Send it to me and  I'll take care of it for you... :shifty:

That sucks MBM.  Sounds like more of a hardware problem.  Take it back to AT&T/Apple?

Yeah we're gonna run it up to the Apple store this weekend.  It's sort of a strange thing.  It will properly work for ~an hour after the factory reset thing that clears everything out, but it just won't...stick.

Heh.  Mine works fine though.  :D

Edit:
Quote from: GarbonI hope her phone doesn't explode.

Payda...I mean...me too.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on August 26, 2009, 02:57:45 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 26, 2009, 02:48:53 PM
Yeah we're gonna run it up to the Apple store this weekend.  It's sort of a strange thing.  It will properly work for ~an hour after the factory reset thing that clears everything out, but it just won't...stick.

While you're there, ask them how to get Google Voice to work on your phone  ;)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 03:02:59 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on August 26, 2009, 02:14:49 PM
The point was that Macs are not worth the price.

No, that was not the point.

I said.

Quote from: BarristerApple computer themselves are reasonably priced when you look at the exact components.

You replied saying:

Quote from: DontSayBananaYou know, I decided to verify the bolded part.

The bolded part being my line I quoted above.

Do you wish to accept my contention that the computers are reasonably priced when you look at the exact component or not?  If you wish to continue to challenge that assertion I would ask you to do a new comparison, because the example you used was not valid as they were not even close to identical.

You then go on to say:

Quote from: DontSayBananaSimply comparing the parts by name doesn't do the job, since some of those parts are expensive only because of name, and are shaky from a construction point of view. In terms of actual function of the Mac Pro, it is not worth the price tag, because one can rely on safer, cheaper components to get the same performance.

You're mixing in two or three different arguments here. 

You start saying some parts are expensive "only because of the name".  What parts are you talking about - the processor?  Do you really think there is no difference at all between a Nehalem and a Kentfield?

Shaky from a construction point of view?  This is about the third time I've called you on this.  Prove it.  Show me a study that says Apple's computers are poorly constructed when compared to rivals.  Show me a survey, an analysis, something, anything, that demonstrates shoddy construction of Apples.

Then you come back to the "you can get equivalent performance for less".  I keep trying to tell you that's the argument you should be making because it has some traction.  I've already told you I could get a PC for $800 that would surf the web and play WoW as well as my Mac Pro.  That doesn't mean that there's no difference of course - there are things I could theoretically do with the Mac that I wouldn't be able to with the $800 PC.

And finally:

Quote from: DontSayBananaI've also put a nick in your "no bloatware" argument: they wouldn't dare, because they've bloated the components so much already.

You're deeper in the deep end here, since no one has mentioned bloatware at all here.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 03:05:52 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 26, 2009, 02:48:53 PM
Yeah we're gonna run it up to the Apple store this weekend.  It's sort of a strange thing.  It will properly work for ~an hour after the factory reset thing that clears everything out, but it just won't...stick.

Heh.  Mine works fine though.  :D

That's weird.  So the sound will work for an hour or so, then it will stop again?

Of course you won't get that much sympathy from me, since I can't even get an iPhone living in the Yukon. Stupid Rogers not having service in the Yukon. :angry:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DisturbedPervert on August 26, 2009, 03:11:11 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 03:02:59 PMI've already told you I could get a PC for $800 that would surf the web and play WoW as well as my Mac Pro.

$800!?  You don't need to spend anywhere even remotely close to that on a PC that will surf the web and play WoW.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on August 26, 2009, 03:23:45 PM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on August 26, 2009, 03:11:11 PM
$800!?  You don't need to spend anywhere even remotely close to that on a PC that will surf the web and play WoW.

He seems to have this idea that we should encourage price gouging for brand names.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Berkut on August 26, 2009, 03:32:02 PM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on August 26, 2009, 03:11:11 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 03:02:59 PMI've already told you I could get a PC for $800 that would surf the web and play WoW as well as my Mac Pro.

$800!?  You don't need to spend anywhere even remotely close to that on a PC that will surf the web and play WoW.

You probably do if you want to do it as well as his Mac Pro.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 03:44:27 PM
Quote from: Berkut on August 26, 2009, 03:32:02 PM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on August 26, 2009, 03:11:11 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 03:02:59 PMI've already told you I could get a PC for $800 that would surf the web and play WoW as well as my Mac Pro.

$800!?  You don't need to spend anywhere even remotely close to that on a PC that will surf the web and play WoW.

You probably do if you want to do it as well as his Mac Pro.

:yes:

It does run WoW with max graphics and great framerates.  I figure that must equal at least a $800 computer.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DisturbedPervert on August 26, 2009, 03:44:58 PM
If that means the computer looks as pretty while running it, sure.  WoW is old as fuck, it runs on anything now. 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DisturbedPervert on August 26, 2009, 03:47:25 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 03:44:27 PM
It does run WoW with max graphics and great framerates.  I figure that must equal at least a $800 computer.

My notebook was $800 3 years ago and runs WoW at max settings and 60 fps.  It still runs any game on the market, though the latest like DoW2 I have to run at low settings.  Maybe time for an upgrade soon.

You do not need $800 to run WoW at max settings on a PC.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Jaron on August 26, 2009, 03:48:46 PM
WoW is starting to pimp out its graphics to update its look. I would be surprised if they didn't continue that in the xpac. Its basically Everquest with elves.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 03:52:32 PM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on August 26, 2009, 03:47:25 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 03:44:27 PM
It does run WoW with max graphics and great framerates.  I figure that must equal at least a $800 computer.

My notebook was $800 3 years ago and runs WoW at max settings and 60 fps.  It still runs any game on the market, though the latest like DoW2 I have to run at low settings.  Maybe time for an upgrade soon.

You do not need $800 to run WoW at max settings on a PC.

My notebook was $1500 three years ago and it runs WoW like ass.  Wife's computer is 4 years old and it only runs well on low settings.

The Mac also doesn't blink at Spore or Sims, but I'm not sure how graphically intensive either of those are.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 03:52:55 PM
Quote from: Jaron on August 26, 2009, 03:48:46 PM
WoW is starting to pimp out its graphics to update its look. I would be surprised if they didn't continue that in the xpac. Its basically Everquest with elves.

Everquest has elves...  :huh:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DisturbedPervert on August 26, 2009, 04:04:09 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 03:52:32 PM
My notebook was $1500 three years ago and it runs WoW like ass.  Wife's computer is 4 years old and it only runs well on low settings.


It was custom built which cut down on cost, and I made sure to get a dedicated graphics card.  256mb nvidia, which unfortunately is a bit on the low side now.  For some new games this isn't enough anymore. 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DisturbedPervert on August 26, 2009, 04:05:26 PM
Quote from: Jaron on August 26, 2009, 03:48:46 PM
WoW is starting to pimp out its graphics to update its look.

I've only played the original, maybe performance on my notebook wouldn't be as good with all the expansions.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 04:09:36 PM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on August 26, 2009, 04:05:26 PM
Quote from: Jaron on August 26, 2009, 03:48:46 PM
WoW is starting to pimp out its graphics to update its look.

I've only played the original, maybe performance on my notebook wouldn't be as good with all the expansions.

Possible.  The newer areas have a lot more going on visually, so can be more taxing.  They've also increased the max draw distance, so max settings are more taxing as well.  But still it isn't Crysis.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on August 26, 2009, 04:32:03 PM
Hey Beeb-- does your iPod Touch have an OLED screen & output 720p?  On 9/15, my Zune HD will :)

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.xataka.com%2F2009%2F08%2Fzune-hd-hands-on-1.jpg&hash=398ec215f97b4f1674ce1a0aa379c2d91abcd545)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Jaron on August 26, 2009, 04:33:43 PM
Quote from: derspiess on August 26, 2009, 04:32:03 PM
Hey Beeb-- does your iPod Touch have an OLED screen & output 720p?  On 9/15, my Zune HD will :)

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.xataka.com%2F2009%2F08%2Fzune-hd-hands-on-1.jpg&hash=398ec215f97b4f1674ce1a0aa379c2d91abcd545)

:yeah:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 04:35:17 PM
Quote from: derspiess on August 26, 2009, 04:32:03 PM
Hey Beeb-- does your iPod Touch have an OLED screen & output 720p?  On 9/15, my Zune HD will :)


How many apps are available? :)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on August 26, 2009, 04:44:11 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 04:35:17 PM
How many apps are available? :)

About as many as I need on the device: 0. 

As long as it plays music (including HD radio) & video well, and the web browser is functional, I'll be happy.  Apps will be a "nice to have", but I want the Zune line to continue to focus on music & video, something that Apple now seems to treat as secondary functionality on its Touch devices.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 04:51:18 PM
Thought so.

I do wonder about your claim that Apple treats video and music as secondary on the Touch, since they sell millions of dollars of both to people to watch on their iPods (including the touch).
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on August 26, 2009, 05:12:31 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 04:51:18 PM
I do wonder about your claim that Apple treats video and music as secondary on the Touch, since they sell millions of dollars of both to people to watch on their iPods (including the touch).

I'm not saying the Touch is a bad media player, or that iTunes doesn't sell any music or video. 

But I am saying that Apple shifted focus for both the iPhone and iPod Touch to the apps & web browser (both of which are generally superb).  I'm not seeing any innovation from Apple on either the music or video functions, both of which should be the bread & butter of a portable media device.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 05:23:24 PM
Quote from: derspiess on August 26, 2009, 05:12:31 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 04:51:18 PM
I do wonder about your claim that Apple treats video and music as secondary on the Touch, since they sell millions of dollars of both to people to watch on their iPods (including the touch).

I'm not saying the Touch is a bad media player, or that iTunes doesn't sell any music or video. 

But I am saying that Apple shifted focus for both the iPhone and iPod Touch to the apps & web browser (both of which are generally superb).  I'm not seeing any innovation from Apple on either the music or video functions, both of which should be the bread & butter of a portable media device.

Okay.  I guess I just don't quite follow how much innovation there is left to be had in terms of media playback.  I think the reason they're focusing in on applications and games is because there's not much else to do to improve or differentiate.

The last few iPod iterations have had (frankly) some rather minimal changes at best, and the iPod Classic hasn't changed at all for a couple of years.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on August 26, 2009, 05:26:52 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 05:23:24 PM
Okay.  I guess I just don't quite follow how much innovation there is left to be had in terms of media playback. 

Of course you don't.  If Apple isn't doing it, it doesn't need to be done, right?  :P
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 05:28:05 PM
Quote from: derspiess on August 26, 2009, 05:26:52 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 05:23:24 PM
Okay.  I guess I just don't quite follow how much innovation there is left to be had in terms of media playback. 

Of course you don't.  If Apple isn't doing it, it doesn't need to be done, right?  :P

:rolleyes: :P

Be sure to give us a review of your Zune HD if you really do get one.

But keep it out of my Wide Wide World of Apple thread. :contract:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on August 26, 2009, 09:49:14 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 05:28:05 PM
Be sure to give us a review of your Zune HD if you really do get one.

But keep it out of my Wide Wide World of Apple thread. :contract:

Pre-ordered a 32gb one today at Best Buy :yeah:

And I will keep it out of this thread... unless I decide to do a side by side comparison to the Touch.  I'll be objective  :goodboy:


Really though-- if I were a big consumer of Apple products, I'd be rooting for the Zune platform to become successful.  Unless of course you think somehow a lack of competition would result in better products from Apple.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Syt on August 27, 2009, 12:02:39 AM
Meanwhile, I ordered the other Evil Empire cell phone - the G2 google one.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Threviel on August 27, 2009, 01:12:14 AM
Quote from: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 01:04:45 PM
Quote from: Threviel on August 25, 2009, 11:15:55 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 25, 2009, 04:19:09 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on August 25, 2009, 03:52:44 PM
EDIT: BTW, before you start spouting off how "fair" it is, here's another thing to consider- a system that's entirely composed of bleeding-edge-in-its-category manufacture won't necessarily play well together. It's already caused problems with chipsets in both iMacs and MBPs.

Feel free to check older news on that sote and you will find. There have been driver and hardware issues, but they have also mostly been fixed.
Prove it.

http://www.macrumors.com/2009/08/19/apple-releases-fix-for-macbook-pro-hard-drive-issues/

There have been issues...

That has nothing to do with chipset problems, nor anything to do with "bleeding edge components not playing well with each other".

But I am not trying to say that Mac hardware is flawless.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Threviel on August 27, 2009, 01:22:33 AM
Oh, let's not forget the single most important feature of My iMac. It is dead quiet, i have barely heard a fan since I got it. That's worth a lot to me, and should be factored in when making comparisons.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: The Minsky Moment on August 27, 2009, 09:31:27 AM
Quote from: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 05:23:24 PM
the iPod Classic hasn't changed at all for a couple of years.

Exactly.  On release the Classic was at least as good if not slighlty better than the Zune.  Now it is plainly inferior.  Apple has taken its eyes off the core DAP functionality and put all its eggs into the iphone/itouch basket.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 27, 2009, 11:03:09 AM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on August 27, 2009, 09:31:27 AM
Quote from: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 05:23:24 PM
the iPod Classic hasn't changed at all for a couple of years.

Exactly.  On release the Classic was at least as good if not slighlty better than the Zune.  Now it is plainly inferior.  Apple has taken its eyes off the core DAP functionality and put all its eggs into the iphone/itouch basket.

:huh:

I'm struggling with the "plainly inferior" part.  In what way - because it has an FM tuner?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on August 27, 2009, 11:57:41 AM
Quote from: Threviel on August 27, 2009, 01:22:33 AM
Oh, let's not forget the single most important feature of My iMac. It is dead quiet, i have barely heard a fan since I got it. That's worth a lot to me, and should be factored in when making comparisons.

I wish mine were. I wish I could afford a newer one. but really this 5 year old system does almost everything I need, and then some $300 for a fast kick ass system.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on August 27, 2009, 12:11:29 PM
Quote from: Syt on August 27, 2009, 12:02:39 AM
Meanwhile, I ordered the other Evil Empire cell phone - the G2 google one.

Looks like a sweet phone.  If it had a physical keyboard like the G1, I'd be all over it.  The trend away from physical keyboards is bugging me. 

Looks like Sprint over here in the US may come out with an Android phone w/ physical keyboard-- if it does that will probably be my next phone.  I nearly bit on a Palm Pre but the mini-chiclet keyboard buttons were a deal killer.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on August 27, 2009, 12:44:53 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 27, 2009, 11:03:09 AM
I'm struggling with the "plainly inferior" part.  In what way - because it has an FM tuner?

Here are a few things the Zune 120 has over the iPod Classic:
-Screen size
-Ability to output 480p
-Wifi synching
-Ability to access Marketplace directly from device via Wifi
-Available subscription service
-Interface (though I'll admit this is subjective)
-Software (also subjective)
-Social networking integration (allows you to download playlists/music based on friends' recent plays)
-Native .wmv support
-Yes, FM Radio w/ ability to tag songs for purchase
-MS's policy of continuous free firmware updates for legacy devices that add new functionality

In fairness, here are some things the Classic has over the Zune:
-EQ
-Battery life
-Mac compatibility (though really, how many Mac users are going to buy Zunes anyway)
-More accessories (though many old accessories are not compatible, thanks to arbitrary hardware changes)

While I am a bit biased, it seems pretty obvious to me that the Zune platform has seen a lot more innovation for core media playing functionality than the iPod has of late.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on August 27, 2009, 09:03:06 PM
but the classic is just one kind of ipod. you can get those other things from other pods. but really, if a zune suits someone better, they should use that. I use a PC with XP on it at work (mostly in an app running in DOSbox, yet!) at home I use a mac, out and about I have my Linux (Ubuntu) Netbook. All three are easy to use and do what I need.

branding is for the unevolved. If I get an Intel Mac I will definitely have a Widows Boot on it. Why the hell wouldn't you. If you can.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 27, 2009, 09:05:45 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on August 27, 2009, 09:03:06 PM
branding is for the unevolved. If I get an Intel Mac I will definitely have a Widows Boot on it. Why the hell wouldn't you. If you can.

Beats the hell out of me - I have an XP partition on my Mac.   :cool:

The question will be whether I upgrade it to 7 or not in the next few months...
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 27, 2009, 09:36:52 PM
Bwahahahaha.

8GB of RAM and Snow Leopard are on their way.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on August 28, 2009, 05:28:08 AM
I'm not worried.  A company that bets all its fortunes on an implanted liver (or whatever organ that is).  The day will come when it fails  :menace:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on August 28, 2009, 08:46:56 AM
Quote from: Barrister on August 27, 2009, 09:36:52 PM
Bwahahahaha.

8GB of RAM and Snow Leopard are on their way.

Please tell me you got next day delivery.  You're cheating yourself each day you go without Snow Leopard!!
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on August 28, 2009, 08:53:34 AM
Quote from: derspiess on August 28, 2009, 08:46:56 AM
Quote from: Barrister on August 27, 2009, 09:36:52 PM
Bwahahahaha.

8GB of RAM and Snow Leopard are on their way.

Please tell me you got next day delivery.  You're cheating yourself each day you go without Snow Leopard!!

Right now, Dudley of the Mounties is organizing a dog sled team to bring copies of Snow Leopard to the Yukon.

They'll get through.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on August 28, 2009, 10:28:04 AM
Quote from: Barrister on August 25, 2009, 04:17:49 PM
:frusty:

The Mac Pro has a Nehalem 5500 series processor.  Released December '08.

The Nehalem EP (in the Mac Pro) was released in March '09.  The Nehalem Core i7 was released in December '08.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on August 28, 2009, 10:44:14 AM
One thing that just struck me about Apple fanboys is how you heard over & over how their OS was the most secure, never gets viruses, etc.  but now all they want to talk about is how super Snow Leopard is because it fixes so many security holes :D
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 28, 2009, 10:47:13 AM
Quote from: vonmoltke on August 28, 2009, 10:28:04 AM
Quote from: Barrister on August 25, 2009, 04:17:49 PM
:frusty:

The Mac Pro has a Nehalem 5500 series processor.  Released December '08.

The Nehalem EP (in the Mac Pro) was released in March '09.  The Nehalem Core i7 was released in December '08.

Meh - I had a wiki link where I got those dates from.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 28, 2009, 10:47:50 AM
Quote from: derspiess on August 28, 2009, 10:44:14 AM
One thing that just struck me about Apple fanboys is how you heard over & over how their OS was the most secure, never gets viruses, etc.  but now all they want to talk about is how super Snow Leopard is because it fixes so many security holes :D

Which fanboys are those?

I'm pretty sure I haven't heard anyone on Languish say any such thing.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 28, 2009, 10:48:14 AM
Quote from: derspiess on August 28, 2009, 08:46:56 AM
Quote from: Barrister on August 27, 2009, 09:36:52 PM
Bwahahahaha.

8GB of RAM and Snow Leopard are on their way.

Please tell me you got next day delivery.  You're cheating yourself each day you go without Snow Leopard!!

No such thing as overnight delivery to Yukon. :(
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on August 28, 2009, 11:18:00 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on August 26, 2009, 07:26:23 AM
The only real difference between a Kentsfield and a Nehalem's performance is some additional multithreading capabilities that you'll never see used unless you're running the computer as a server for some reason or other.

Wow, is that off the mark.

First, the Nehalem is Intel's first true multi-core microarchitecture.  All previous "multi-core" chips have been uniprocessors connected on a single slab in the same manner they would be connected on the board if they were in individual sockets.  True multi-core processors support NUMA, which allows given cores lower latency access to local resources and allows resource sharing between local cores at a lower level, including the ability of local cores to pick data out of each other's caches.  The NUMA architecture provides performance benefits in any situation where multiple resource-intensive applications are running at once, not just for multi-threaded or multi-process applications.

Second, the Nehalem has greatly increased memory bandwidth and reduced memory latency, since it has integrated memory controllers.  In fact, the Nehalem now has the concept of an "uncore", which will eventually include other formerly separate functions.  These uncore devices are connected back to the cores via the Quickpath interconnect bus, which is a vast improvement over prior Intel buses.  Essentially, the north bridge is integrated into the chip, so boards will no longer be hamstrung by outdated chipsets since each new processor will bring along its own north bridge.

On Quickpath itself, this bus is used not only to connect the cores to the uncores and to each other, but also to connect sockets together and to peripheral buses.  Its the core of the NUMA configuration, and while this has more applicability to HPC, it still promises benefits for multimedia applications.

Third, the Nehalem doesn't simply add "some additional multithreading capabilities", it adds hardware threading.  No Intel processor to date has had true hardware threading, and like the switch to a true multi-core architecture, this will result in improvements under any form of heavy load, though particularly with applications making heavy use of the memory.

In general, given the current state of consumer software there is limited benefit to the Nehalem for the consumer, but with the capability there software will catch up.  The consumer and internet server markets are not Intel's primary target for the Nehalem anyway.  This microarchitecture is a shot across IBM's bow.  IBM botched the POWER6, and while the POWER7 is promised to be far superior, IBM has yet to put their money where their mouth is.  Intel is taking advantage of IBM's weaknesses in the POWER line to wedge into the HPC market.  So far, its very promising.

Quote from: DontSayBanana on August 26, 2009, 07:26:23 AMAs for the memory, it's weird because they're using slow RAM for something that's supposed to be a processing powerhouse. My guess is that they modified DDR2 boards to accept DDR3 to make it look more bleeding-edge (1066 is slow DDR3, but the max you can get for DDR2). Buffering might make a bit of difference, ECC absolutely will not, and in fact, might slow down the memory.

The Nehalem's memory controllers drop the memory clock one step for each additional DIMM on the channel.  With one DIMM per channel, the bus runs at 1333MHz; two drops it to 1066MHz; three drops it to 800MHz.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on August 28, 2009, 11:21:16 AM
Quote from: Barrister on August 28, 2009, 10:47:13 AM
Meh - I had a wiki link where I got those dates from.

First off, a correction: i7 was November, not December.

Second, I see where the confusion comes from.  The Nehalem EP was released to testers and hardware manufacturers in December '08.  It was not available for purchase, however, until March '09.

Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on August 28, 2009, 11:27:53 AM
Quote from: Barrister on August 28, 2009, 10:47:50 AM
Which fanboys are those?

I'm pretty sure I haven't heard anyone on Languish say any such thing.

Thankfully we keep our Languish fanboys culled to a manageable number.  I've heard that practically everywhere else a fanboy pops his head up.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 28, 2009, 11:33:42 AM
Quote from: derspiess on August 28, 2009, 11:27:53 AM
Quote from: Barrister on August 28, 2009, 10:47:50 AM
Which fanboys are those?

I'm pretty sure I haven't heard anyone on Languish say any such thing.

Thankfully we keep our Languish fanboys culled to a manageable number.  I've heard that practically everywhere else a fanboy pops his head up.

Well I think you should direct your comments to what is actually said in the conversation.

The general opinion I've read is that on a practical basis Mac OS X is much safer than Windows, but only due to there being such a very small number of trojans/viruses actually written for OS X, and not due to any inherent characteristic in OS X.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on August 29, 2009, 10:26:55 PM
Quote from: vonmoltke on August 28, 2009, 11:18:00 AM
[snip reaming]

:face: Ouch. I'll concede while I can still keep it down to a week without sitting down normally.

Thanks for the heads-up on the stepdown in banks 2 and 3, BTW; I was wondering why they were reporting the bus speed on the motherboard in such a funny way.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 31, 2009, 12:59:44 PM
Apple special announcement September 9.  Looks like new iPods for the holidays!



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http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/08/apple-confirms-september-9-2009-rock-and-roll-event.ars
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on August 31, 2009, 01:11:44 PM
On the supportive side, let me know how running Snow Leopard goes- reading up some more, Snow Leopard will take advantage of the Nehalem much better than Leopard could, because more of the kernel is being moved to 64-bit. I'm considering getting it for S' MacBook, but I want to see how it actually performs versus how it claims it will perform.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 31, 2009, 01:17:17 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on August 31, 2009, 01:11:44 PM
On the supportive side, let me know how running Snow Leopard goes- reading up some more, Snow Leopard will take advantage of the Nehalem much better than Leopard could, because more of the kernel is being moved to 64-bit. I'm considering getting it for S' MacBook, but I want to see how it actually performs versus how it claims it will perform.

Did you doubt that I wouldn't give a full AAR about installing Snow Leopard and 8GB of RAM?  :cool:

The reviews I've seen all say that SL seems "snappier", and of course freeing up hard drive space is groovy, but there are no "got to have" features either.  If you're a techie (and I believe you are) I would urge you to get it just to have the latest and shiniest toy.  I don't think I'd recommend my parents upgrade however, as it's just likely to confuse them (they his and hers iMacs).
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on August 31, 2009, 01:23:35 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 31, 2009, 01:17:17 PM
Did you doubt that I wouldn't give a full AAR about installing Snow Leopard and 8GB of RAM?  :cool:

The reviews I've seen all say that SL seems "snappier", and of course freeing up hard drive space is groovy, but there are no "got to have" features either.  If you're a techie (and I believe you are) I would urge you to get it just to have the latest and shiniest toy.  I don't think I'd recommend my parents upgrade however, as it's just likely to confuse them (they his and hers iMacs).

:lol: No doubt about that. Mostly, I want to see what we might be able to do to reduce the hang time on Adobe's stuff- she works heavily in Illustrator; even with the 2.53Ghz Core 2 Duo and 3 GB of RAM, there are times we have to walk away and do something else while CS4 is loading.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 31, 2009, 01:39:01 PM
Well apparently that is one of the big improvements people have noticed - decreased start times for applications.  But I think I remember hearing that CS4 was rather buggy for the Mac.  :unsure:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on August 31, 2009, 03:16:45 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 31, 2009, 01:39:01 PM
Well apparently that is one of the big improvements people have noticed - decreased start times for applications.  But I think I remember hearing that CS4 was rather buggy for the Mac.  :unsure:

Adobe tends to be a notable exception for performance, because they developed their own cross-platform dev tools to ensure compatibility with both Mac and PC. Most apps people are using to benchmark were built with the standard Apple tools. I'm mostly interested in the streamlined access to extra memory registers available with x64 systems.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Neil on August 31, 2009, 03:22:39 PM
IE8 is actually the most secure browser there is, with Firefox coming in second.  Safari is down there with Chrome and Opera.

Mac users are doomed.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on August 31, 2009, 03:24:25 PM
Quote from: Neil on August 31, 2009, 03:22:39 PM
IE8 is actually the most secure browser there is, with Firefox coming in second.  Safari is down there with Chrome and Opera.

Mac users are doomed.

IE8 hasn't really been widely propagated yet. I'm not buying the notion that any browser based on that abortion of a control class, ActiveX, is the "most secure."
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 31, 2009, 03:33:21 PM
Quote from: Neil on August 31, 2009, 03:22:39 PM
IE8 is actually the most secure browser there is, with Firefox coming in second.  Safari is down there with Chrome and Opera.

Prove it.

Quote from: Neil on August 31, 2009, 03:22:39 PM
Mac users are doomed.

If this is what it's like to be doomed, then I never want it to end. :cool:

By the way, Safari (or occasionally Chrome, which has the same Apple-developed Webkit core) has generally been found to be the fastest web browser.  :contract:

Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Berkut on August 31, 2009, 04:05:52 PM
Shouldn't this thread be titled the "Narrow, narrow niche of apple"?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 31, 2009, 04:08:54 PM
I dunno - we got to 9 pages pretty quickly...
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Berkut on August 31, 2009, 04:18:47 PM
But 8.5 of those pages are people mocking you, so that doesn't really help you much.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on August 31, 2009, 04:37:00 PM
I gave up on mocking Beeb.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 31, 2009, 07:52:06 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 31, 2009, 04:37:00 PM
I gave up on mocking Beeb.

:yeah:

Apple STILL hasn't shipped Snow Leopard. :angry:

Memory, OTOH, was sent out right away.  :cool:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ideologue on August 31, 2009, 10:51:20 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 31, 2009, 03:33:21 PM
Quote from: Neil on August 31, 2009, 03:22:39 PM
IE8 is actually the most secure browser there is, with Firefox coming in second.  Safari is down there with Chrome and Opera.

Prove it.

Quote from: Neil on August 31, 2009, 03:22:39 PM
Mac users are doomed.

If this is what it's like to be doomed, then I never want it to end. :cool:

By the way, Safari (or occasionally Chrome, which has the same Apple-developed Webkit core) has generally been found to be the fastest web browser.  :contract:

Has speed of application, versus speed of connection, ever really been an issue? :unsure:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on August 31, 2009, 11:10:00 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 31, 2009, 12:59:44 PM
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So what are your theories on what will be released, and what this cryptic ad is supposed to mean?

And how soon will you upgrade your Touch if the new feature is just a camera? :P
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 31, 2009, 11:51:53 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on August 31, 2009, 10:51:20 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 31, 2009, 03:33:21 PM
By the way, Safari (or occasionally Chrome, which has the same Apple-developed Webkit core) has generally been found to be the fastest web browser.  :contract:
Has speed of application, versus speed of connection, ever really been an issue? :unsure:

Yes.  Speed to launch the browser, and speed to render pages (typically with a lot of Flash or Java) has been an issue.

Seriously - Safari is noticeably faster than IE.  I've never played with Chrome or Firefox though.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 31, 2009, 11:53:39 PM
Quote from: derspiess on August 31, 2009, 11:10:00 PM
So what are your theories on what will be released, and what this cryptic ad is supposed to mean?

And how soon will you upgrade your Touch if the new feature is just a camera? :P

I don't have a Touch.   :Embarrass:

And I dunno - the only rumours I've seen were for adding cameras to the entire iPod line (not just the Touch).  Seems like a somewhat silly upgrade, but I suppose enough teenyboppers would like the feature.  My previous generation Nano works just fine though, so I don't see upgrading for another product cycle or two.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Tonitrus on September 01, 2009, 12:06:32 AM
The problem the iPod Shuffle being so small....I cannot find the damned thing.  :mad:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on September 01, 2009, 12:18:47 AM
Quote from: Barrister on August 31, 2009, 11:51:53 PM
Seriously - Safari is noticeably faster than IE.  I've never played with Chrome or Firefox though.

Don't even think about Chrome for now, unless you want to cry.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 01, 2009, 12:27:37 AM
Quote from: derspiess on September 01, 2009, 12:18:47 AM
Quote from: Barrister on August 31, 2009, 11:51:53 PM
Seriously - Safari is noticeably faster than IE.  I've never played with Chrome or Firefox though.

Don't even think about Chrome for now, unless you want to cry.

I might give it a try when it's out of beta.

:lmfao:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: citizen k on September 01, 2009, 12:30:17 AM
Quote from: Barrister on August 31, 2009, 11:51:53 PM


Yes.  Speed to launch the browser, and speed to render pages (typically with a lot of Flash or Java) has been an issue.

Seriously - Safari is noticeably faster than IE.  I've never played with Chrome or Firefox though.
Safari has crashed more often for me than Firefox (both on a Mac). It was when the site had Java or Flash running.  Firefox just seems more stable.
                     
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Valdemar on September 01, 2009, 02:49:01 AM
Quote from: Tonitrus on September 01, 2009, 12:06:32 AM
The problem the iPod Shuffle being so small....I cannot find the damned thing.  :mad:

The small size, price and limited functionality was why I bought two, one for each of my boys for long car rides and such..

Unfortunately they cannot keep the bloody white earphones in and stopped using them.. solution: buy different earphones...

Apple's response on next gen of shuffle: ordinary earphones wont work, all controls now on the wire to the white crap they call earplugs.... And other earphone makers will have to license that control adapter thingie making new phones more expensive than the player itself...

My response.. once those shuffles die we switch brands :D

V
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Tonitrus on September 01, 2009, 03:29:46 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on September 01, 2009, 02:49:01 AM
Quote from: Tonitrus on September 01, 2009, 12:06:32 AM
The problem the iPod Shuffle being so small....I cannot find the damned thing.  :mad:

The small size, price and limited functionality was why I bought two, one for each of my boys for long car rides and such..

Unfortunately they cannot keep the bloody white earphones in and stopped using them.. solution: buy different earphones...

Apple's response on next gen of shuffle: ordinary earphones wont work, all controls now on the wire to the white crap they call earplugs.... And other earphone makers will have to license that control adapter thingie making new phones more expensive than the player itself...

My response.. once those shuffles die we switch brands :D

V

Yeah, I have the last generation one, which I think is better than the new one(I have my own custom earphones for it, especially I mainly use it for running).  If I buy a new one, I'll get a refurb/clearance of the last-gen Shuffle.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 01, 2009, 11:05:26 AM
Apple-haters take note:

Snow Leopard now has the ability to "force eject" a CD/DVD. 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Savonarola on September 01, 2009, 11:35:38 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 01, 2009, 11:05:26 AM
Apple-haters take note:

Snow Leopard now has the ability to "force eject" a CD/DVD.

How did they get midi-chlorians into a computer?  :unsure:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 01, 2009, 11:44:29 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on September 01, 2009, 11:35:38 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 01, 2009, 11:05:26 AM
Apple-haters take note:

Snow Leopard now has the ability to "force eject" a CD/DVD.

How did they get midi-chlorians into a computer?  :unsure:

I blame George Lucas. :angry:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Savonarola on September 01, 2009, 11:51:56 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 01, 2009, 11:44:29 AM

I blame George Lucas. :angry:

He ruins everything.   :(
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on September 01, 2009, 11:57:56 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 01, 2009, 11:05:26 AM
Apple-haters take note:

Snow Leopard now has the ability to "force eject" a CD/DVD.

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Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on September 01, 2009, 12:03:08 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 01, 2009, 11:05:26 AM
Apple-haters take note:

Snow Leopard now has the ability to "force eject" a CD/DVD. 

I have a free apple script that does that from the toolbar without upgrading. 24k download
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on September 01, 2009, 12:03:51 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 01, 2009, 11:57:56 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 01, 2009, 11:05:26 AM
Apple-haters take note:

Snow Leopard now has the ability to "force eject" a CD/DVD.

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fxs243.xs.to%2Fxs243%2F09362%2F39423.gif&hash=23b8d6b98567cdc7f876bed1c01f1fd640fd564b)

:lmfao: you are the Master(tm)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadImmortalMan on September 01, 2009, 12:13:10 PM
At the DT concert I went to this weekend, Jordan Rudess was playing an iPhone like an instrument. OMG what can't they do!!!!!!!!!111  :P
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on September 01, 2009, 07:04:54 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 01, 2009, 12:13:10 PM
At the DT concert I went to this weekend, Jordan Rudess was playing an iPhone like an instrument. OMG what can't they do!!!!!!!!!111  :P

You saw DT this weekend? I hate your guts, man. :P

Incidentally, Jordan's a fan of some oddball instruments- I want one of these as soon as I have the ~$6K for a full-size one: Haken Audio Continuum (http://www.hakenaudio.com)

:mmm:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on September 01, 2009, 07:05:58 PM
Oh, and Beeb, a force-eject script wouldn't help- the drive was physically damaged and needed to be replaced. ;)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadImmortalMan on September 02, 2009, 01:30:08 PM
 Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlqEJL2EZFA

And a solo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDvG1KF9FK8&feature=related  (start ~1:40)



Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Eddie Teach on September 02, 2009, 01:37:39 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on September 01, 2009, 07:04:54 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 01, 2009, 12:13:10 PM
At the DT concert I went to this weekend, Jordan Rudess was playing an iPhone like an instrument. OMG what can't they do!!!!!!!!!111  :P

You saw DT this weekend? I hate your guts, man. :P


Who?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 03, 2009, 11:58:41 AM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on August 27, 2009, 09:31:27 AM
Quote from: Barrister on August 26, 2009, 05:23:24 PM
the iPod Classic hasn't changed at all for a couple of years.

Exactly.  On release the Classic was at least as good if not slighlty better than the Zune.  Now it is plainly inferior.  Apple has taken its eyes off the core DAP functionality and put all its eggs into the iphone/itouch basket.

For a supposedly superior product then it is interesting that MS is discontinuing all Zunes and focusing their efforts solely on the Zune HD.   :huh:

http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/09/confirmed-all-current-zunes-are-dead-long-live-the-zune-hd.ars
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 04, 2009, 08:33:52 PM
My RAM is here!!!11111

Upgrading now...

:shifty:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on September 04, 2009, 08:37:43 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 04, 2009, 08:33:52 PM
My RAM is here!!!11111

Upgrading now...

:shifty:

um why the :shifty: :unsure:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 04, 2009, 08:44:28 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 04, 2009, 08:33:52 PM
My RAM is here!!!11111

Upgrading now...

:shifty:

And done.  That was disappointingly easy.  It took what - 10 minutes?

Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 04, 2009, 08:45:24 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on September 04, 2009, 08:37:43 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 04, 2009, 08:33:52 PM
My RAM is here!!!11111

Upgrading now...

:shifty:

um why the :shifty: :unsure:

Because now I have 10 GB of RAM... :shifty:


And my copy of Snow Leopard only shipped today - a week after ordering :ultra:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on September 04, 2009, 08:52:32 PM
apple is notoriously slow for delivery. I have more than one friend waiting for their Iphone they bought last month.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 04, 2009, 09:19:09 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on September 04, 2009, 08:52:32 PM
apple is notoriously slow for delivery. I have more than one friend waiting for their Iphone they bought last month.

On the one hand I probably ordered at a bad time - I placed my order the day before SL was "officially" released.  Lots of internet reports of people who pre-ordered well in advance getting the day of release.

But still - not shipping for a week seems poor to me.  :(
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: jimmy olsen on September 04, 2009, 10:50:20 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 04, 2009, 08:45:24 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on September 04, 2009, 08:37:43 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 04, 2009, 08:33:52 PM
My RAM is here!!!11111

Upgrading now...

:shifty:

um why the :shifty: :unsure:

Because now I have 10 GB of RAM... :shifty:


And my copy of Snow Leopard only shipped today - a week after ordering :ultra:
What the hell do you need 10 GB of RAM for? I can run Crysis on medium settings with 4.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on September 04, 2009, 10:51:55 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 03, 2009, 11:58:41 AM
For a supposedly superior product then it is interesting that MS is discontinuing all Zunes and focusing their efforts solely on the Zune HD.   :huh:

http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/09/confirmed-all-current-zunes-are-dead-long-live-the-zune-hd.ars

Which does nothing to disprove the claim that the Zunes are better media devices. 

FWIW, I think it's a mistake.  They should at least keep the Zune 120, just like Apple should keep the iPod Classic.  Until there are 128GB devices out on the market, and they are affordable, there is still a place for high capacity hdd-based media players.

Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on September 04, 2009, 10:55:06 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 04, 2009, 08:45:24 PM
And my copy of Snow Leopard only shipped today - a week after ordering :ultra:

Make sure you update your version of Flash as soon as you install SL  :!:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 04, 2009, 10:56:40 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 04, 2009, 10:50:20 PM
What the hell do you need 10 GB of RAM for? I can run Crysis on medium settings with 4.

NEED has nothing to do with it... :shifty:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on September 08, 2009, 07:09:22 PM
So Beeb... you taking the day off tomorrow?  :P
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 08, 2009, 07:11:18 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 08, 2009, 07:09:22 PM
So Beeb... you taking the day off tomorrow?  :P

No, but I will be checking the various real-time text feeds of the event. :w00t:

Of course the more exciting news is that I get cable internet installed tomorrow. :yeah:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on September 09, 2009, 12:23:15 PM
Hmm... is Itunes 9 what all this was about?   :zzz
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 09, 2009, 12:26:18 PM
Damn stupid firedrill, taking me away from reading the liveblog notes of the Apple Event. :ultra:

They're hardly done speiss.  The first thing he announced was iTunes 9, which is nice enough.  BUt you know that's not the all they're announcing.

And by the way - his Steveness is back! :worship:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 09, 2009, 12:31:36 PM
And now on to the iPod...
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 09, 2009, 12:50:19 PM
Madden for the iTouch???!!!
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 09, 2009, 12:59:23 PM
And yes - new, lower prices, higher memory, faster processor, etc. etc.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 09, 2009, 01:01:47 PM
"One more thing..."
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on September 09, 2009, 01:03:54 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 09, 2009, 12:50:19 PM
Madden for the iTouch???!!!

That was already known.  The Halo knock-off is something new, though.  They're really pumping up the Touch as a gaming platform, subtly making the claim that it's superior to the PSP or DS.  Which is cute & all, but having no physical controls holds it back quite a bit.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on September 09, 2009, 01:04:39 PM
An obsession with apple is so strange to me.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 09, 2009, 01:08:18 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 09, 2009, 01:03:54 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 09, 2009, 12:50:19 PM
Madden for the iTouch???!!!

That was already known.  The Halo knock-off is something new, though.  They're really pumping up the Touch as a gaming platform, subtly making the claim that it's superior to the PSP or DS.  Which is cute & all, but having no physical controls holds it back quite a bit.

It was news to me.  And yes, definitely pumping it as a gaming platform.

The PSP or DS may be superior, but by sneaking it in as a "music player that also plays games" appears to be having more success than the "game pad that is starting to play music" approach from Nintendo and Sony.

And yes - Video cameras coming to iPod (FM tuner too).  Nice, not sure it's a reason to upgrade yet.  But an iTouch is somewhat compelling...
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on September 09, 2009, 01:09:22 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 09, 2009, 01:01:47 PM
"One more thing..."

... a camera, FM tuner, and pedometer in the nano :mellow:

No tablet.  Wow.  Was this worth the hype?

Anyway, glad they're not killing off the iPod Classic & are in fact bumping it back up to 160gb.  I thought the price drops would be more significant.  Good step forward with the 64gb Touch. 

Did they say anything about HD output from the Touch?  That was one of the rumors.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 09, 2009, 01:13:57 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 09, 2009, 01:09:22 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 09, 2009, 01:01:47 PM
"One more thing..."

... a camera, FM tuner, and pedometer in the nano :mellow:

No tablet.  Wow.  Was this worth the hype?

How much hype was there?

It was about what everyone expected, and what Apple has done every year for 8 years or so - announced new iPods for the holidays.

The surprise for me is no camera in the Touch.  There was a rumour of problems with the camera units, perhaps this is why.  It seems a strange omission since the iPhone already has a camera/video.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DisturbedPervert on September 09, 2009, 01:16:15 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 09, 2009, 01:08:18 PM
The PSP or DS may be superior, but by sneaking it in as a "music player that also plays games" appears to be having more success than the "game pad that is starting to play music" approach from Nintendo and Sony.

Nintendo has sold over 100 million DS systems and over 500 million games. 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 09, 2009, 01:26:21 PM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on September 09, 2009, 01:16:15 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 09, 2009, 01:08:18 PM
The PSP or DS may be superior, but by sneaking it in as a "music player that also plays games" appears to be having more success than the "game pad that is starting to play music" approach from Nintendo and Sony.

Nintendo has sold over 100 million DS systems and over 500 million games.

Apple has sold 30 million iPhones, and 20 million iPod Touch's, and well over a billion apps (no idea how many are games), over a much shorter period of time.  The DS has 3,680 games available for it, while the iPhone iTouch has 21,178 available.

The game is hardly over, but it looks like Apple's approach of going after a much more general audience may be more successful.  But time will tell.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on September 09, 2009, 01:28:25 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 09, 2009, 01:13:57 PM
How much hype was there?

There's always hype.

QuoteIt was about what everyone expected, and what Apple has done every year for 8 years or so - announced new iPods for the holidays.

There just wasn't much substance with this one.  I really think most people were expecting more.  I thought they would pump up the Touch to kill off whatever hype the Zune HD still has, but I guess with MS's 1.1% market share, they're not concerned :P

QuoteThe surprise for me is no camera in the Touch.  There was a rumour of problems with the camera units, perhaps this is why.  It seems a strange omission since the iPhone already has a camera/video.

True.  The only reason I can think of to put a different camera in the Touch is if it's improved over the iPhone's camera.  But then again I would not think Apple would ever let another product leapfrog its flagship mobile product (iPhone) in any way.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on September 09, 2009, 01:33:45 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 09, 2009, 01:26:21 PM
The game is hardly over, but it looks like Apple's approach of going after a much more general audience may be more successful.  But time will tell.

They can have that market segment all they want.  I don't think people buy the DS or PSP to play the typical iPod touch game anyway.  Apple's approach may be quite successful for what it is, but the way they compared the Touch/iPhone to the more established mobile gaming platforms was ridiculous. 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DisturbedPervert on September 09, 2009, 01:36:14 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 09, 2009, 01:26:21 PM
Apple has sold 30 million iPhones, and 20 million iPod Touch's, and well over a billion apps (no idea how many are games), over a much shorter period of time.  The DS has 3,680 games available for it, while the iPhone iTouch has 21,178 available.

The game is hardly over, but it looks like Apple's approach of going after a much more general audience may be more successful.  But time will tell.

Apple has sold their billion apps at vastly different price points.  And the DS has a lot more than 3000 games, every single GBA game as well as thousands more through emulation.

Doesn't really matter to me who makes more money though, Nintendo's massive profits ensure real portable gaming machines aren't going anywhere.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 09, 2009, 01:45:04 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 09, 2009, 01:28:25 PM
True.  The only reason I can think of to put a different camera in the Touch is if it's improved over the iPhone's camera.  But then again I would not think Apple would ever let another product leapfrog its flagship mobile product (iPhone) in any way.

It has nothing to do with putting a different camera in.  As I understand it the iTouch has no camera at all, which now makes it an oddity in the iPod lineup.

Oh, for all you shuffle haters - Apple is working with 3rd party headphone makes to bring out non-Apple shuffle headsets.   :P
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on September 09, 2009, 02:08:27 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 09, 2009, 01:45:04 PM
It has nothing to do with putting a different camera in.  As I understand it the iTouch has no camera at all, which now makes it an oddity in the iPod lineup.

I guess I was assuming they'd be using a different camera from the iPhone, given that there shouldn't be significant issues adding the iPhone camera to the Touch.

QuoteOh, for all you shuffle haters - Apple is working with 3rd party headphone makes to bring out non-Apple shuffle headsets.   :P

"working with" = imposing the Apple Tax.  Still a FAIL.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 09, 2009, 02:22:37 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 09, 2009, 02:08:27 PM
Apple Tax

:rolleyes:

Lets stick to facts and not buzzwords, mkay?

Apparently the camera on the Nano can only take video, not still pictures. :huh:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on September 09, 2009, 03:20:55 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 09, 2009, 02:22:37 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 09, 2009, 02:08:27 PM
Apple Tax

:rolleyes:

Lets stick to facts and not buzzwords, mkay?

Oh, sorry-- "licensing fee" for an unnecessary proprietary function :rolleyes:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on September 09, 2009, 03:24:57 PM
As an iTouch owner, I find the gaming part to be mediocre at best. A few good games in a huge shallow pool.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 09, 2009, 03:48:50 PM
Stage 2 of Operation Make the King of Macs even more Powerful(tm).

Cable Internet installed today. So long crappy DSL. :menace:



Of course I remember how, 3 years ago, I was so happy to get onto DSL instead of dial-up in Alberta.   :D
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 09, 2009, 05:25:41 PM
And sure enough, Northwestel insisted on sending a technician to "install" the cable modem, when all he did was take it out of the box and plug it in.  :rolleyes:

Well I guess it isn't all he did, as he did cut a couple peices of cable to size and he "tested" the line before plugging in the machine, but those were steps either I could do, or didn't really need to be done.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on September 09, 2009, 05:42:18 PM
Dammit Beeb, I was less than enthused about the iTouch's games, and you can't even froth uncontrollably at me? FUCK YOU BUDDY.

You make Steve Jobs sad.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 09, 2009, 05:44:25 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 09, 2009, 05:42:18 PM
Dammit Beeb, I was less than enthused about the iTouch's games, and you can't even froth uncontrollably at me? FUCK YOU BUDDY.

You make Steve Jobs sad.

Don't tell anybody, but I get a kick out of trolling derspeiss by only posting reasonable and rationale comments about Apple products. :zipped:

Plus what can I say - I don't own the Touch, so I have no good or bad the games are.

And Steve Jobs can make himself feel better by rolling around in a giant pile of money and replacement organs.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 10, 2009, 08:00:29 PM
Snow Leopard is here!!!11111oneoneone

Or at least the Purolator people left a note saying they tried to drop off something that I assume is Snow Leopard.

Tomorrow, I install...  :cool:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on September 10, 2009, 08:13:15 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 09, 2009, 05:25:41 PM
And sure enough, Northwestel insisted on sending a technician to "install" the cable modem, when all he did was take it out of the box and plug it in.  :rolleyes:

Well I guess it isn't all he did, as he did cut a couple peices of cable to size and he "tested" the line before plugging in the machine, but those were steps either I could do, or didn't really need to be done.

Cable companies also have a whitelist "firewall" to prevent unauthorized computers from using their network. Part of the reason they insist on sending an installer is to record and verify hardware IDs of modems, routers, and computers that will be connected to them. Congrats on joining us in the land of "doesn't take forever to load" Internet connections, though. :cheers:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 10, 2009, 08:15:41 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on September 10, 2009, 08:13:15 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 09, 2009, 05:25:41 PM
And sure enough, Northwestel insisted on sending a technician to "install" the cable modem, when all he did was take it out of the box and plug it in.  :rolleyes:

Well I guess it isn't all he did, as he did cut a couple peices of cable to size and he "tested" the line before plugging in the machine, but those were steps either I could do, or didn't really need to be done.

Cable companies also have a whitelist "firewall" to prevent unauthorized computers from using their network. Part of the reason they insist on sending an installer is to record and verify hardware IDs of modems, routers, and computers that will be connected to them. Congrats on joining us in the land of "doesn't take forever to load" Internet connections, though. :cheers:

:huh:

He did nothing of the sort though.

He didn't record squat about my router or my computer.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on September 10, 2009, 08:22:27 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 10, 2009, 08:15:41 PM
:huh:

He did nothing of the sort though.

He didn't record squat about my router or my computer.

There's a bar code that goes along with the MAC address label on most modems or routers, so in theory they can just scan them and have their central office do all the activations and unlocking. You notice how they take forever to get out of the truck? It's usually them cheating with the paperwork and trying to put down the serial numbers and MAC addresses beforehand. :D
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Tonitrus on September 10, 2009, 09:01:13 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 10, 2009, 08:00:29 PM
Snow Leopard is here!!!11111oneoneone

Or at least the Purolator people left a note saying they tried to drop off something that I assume is Snow Leopard.

Tomorrow, I install...  :cool:

Purolator?

Sounds like something involving plumbing for your cat.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on September 10, 2009, 09:26:25 PM
Is it possible to get one of Apple's OSes without the dumbass overpriced Apple computer and gimmicky Apple accessories coming with it?  I was thinking about seeing if I could install it on an old box I have laying around to see what Beeb is so enamored with.  I looked the other day, but could only find upgrades. 

We still haven't taken the wife's damn phone up to the Apple Store. 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 10, 2009, 09:30:12 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 10, 2009, 09:26:25 PM
Is it possible to get one of Apple's OSes without the dumbass overpriced Apple computer coming with it?  I was thinking about seeing if I could install it on an old box I have laying around to see what Beeb is so enamored with.  I looked the other day, but could only find upgrades. 

We still haven't taken the wife's damn phone up to the Apple Store.

I'm not familiar with so-called "hackintoshes" if that's what you're talking about.  It can be done, but no idea how.

Apparently though the Snow Leopard CD doesn't check for a pre-installed version of Leopard, so you might be able to use it to install a fresh install (for $29 USD).  There are reports of people updates from Tiger (OS X 10.4) from a Snow Leopard CD.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on September 10, 2009, 09:33:59 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 10, 2009, 09:30:12 PM
I'm not familiar with so-called "hackintoshes" if that's what you're talking about.  It can be done, but no idea how.

Apparently though the Snow Leopard CD doesn't check for a pre-installed version of Leopard, so you might be able to use it to install a fresh install (for $29 USD).  There are reports of people updates from Tiger (OS X 10.4) from a Snow Leopard CD.

Hmm...sweet.  Maybe I'll just try the upgrade thing and see if it works (if not, welp only $30).  Didn't know there was a name for this sort of thing, but I'm not particularly surprised.   Thanks Beeb.

Edit:  Whoa:  http://lifehacker.com/5351485/how-to-build-a-hackintosh-with-snow-leopard-start-to-finish  Knowing the term there helps things a lot.  It also verifies that you can use that $29 upgrade disc.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Neil on September 10, 2009, 09:52:19 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 09, 2009, 01:08:18 PM
The PSP or DS may be superior, but by sneaking it in as a "music player that also plays games" appears to be having more success than the "game pad that is starting to play music" approach from Nintendo and Sony.
I think the key to its success is the 'i' out front.  Legions of effete homosexuals will buy anything those guys make.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 10, 2009, 10:04:00 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 10, 2009, 09:33:59 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 10, 2009, 09:30:12 PM
I'm not familiar with so-called "hackintoshes" if that's what you're talking about.  It can be done, but no idea how.

Apparently though the Snow Leopard CD doesn't check for a pre-installed version of Leopard, so you might be able to use it to install a fresh install (for $29 USD).  There are reports of people updates from Tiger (OS X 10.4) from a Snow Leopard CD.

Hmm...sweet.  Maybe I'll just try the upgrade thing and see if it works (if not, welp only $30).  Didn't know there was a name for this sort of thing, but I'm not particularly surprised.   Thanks Beeb.

Edit:  Whoa:  http://lifehacker.com/5351485/how-to-build-a-hackintosh-with-snow-leopard-start-to-finish  Knowing the term there helps things a lot.  It also verifies that you can use that $29 upgrade disc.

Glad I could be some kind of help. :hug:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on September 10, 2009, 11:13:46 PM
Wow. Now see, I could totally go for that. An $830 equivalent to a Mac Pro? I'd totally go for that.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 10, 2009, 11:21:23 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on September 10, 2009, 11:13:46 PM
Wow. Now see, I could totally go for that. An $830 equivalent to a Mac Pro? I'd totally go for that.

The thing is, you might come up with an 'equivalent', but not an 'equal'.  As I have mentioned before, the Mac Pro has some premium components.

Plus, there's an issue that any time Apple upgrades its OS (like now 10.6.1 is out there) you may not be able to successfully upgrade.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Brazen on September 11, 2009, 03:37:43 AM
I so don't need a new iPod nano to replace the one that got stolen - after all, my smartphone does all it does and a lot more. Then I saw them and now I want one  :Embarrass:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on September 11, 2009, 08:39:48 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 09, 2009, 05:44:25 PM
Don't tell anybody, but I get a kick out of trolling derspeiss by only posting reasonable and rationale comments about Apple products. :zipped:

That sounds like a fun gig.  When do you plan on doing this? :)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Caliga on September 11, 2009, 08:51:04 AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on September 11, 2009, 11:08:34 AM
:face: :p
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: citizen k on September 11, 2009, 11:50:09 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 10, 2009, 08:15:41 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on September 10, 2009, 08:13:15 PMPart of the reason they insist on sending an installer is to record and verify hardware IDs of modems, routers, and computers that will be connected to them.

:huh:

He did nothing of the sort though.

He didn't record squat about my router or my computer.

It's Bananaboy, he's full of misinformation.  ;)



Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on September 11, 2009, 12:26:58 PM
Quote from: citizen k on September 11, 2009, 11:50:09 AMIt's Bananaboy, he's full of misinformation.  ;)
Lay off the ad hom bullshit, plz. Somebody's full of something here, but it's not me at this moment.

Typical cable install procedure is to connect the cable at the pole, make sure it runs unbroken into the house, contact dispatch and get them to start transmitting to the point of service. Quickest way to check if service is on is to flick on the TV if the customer has TV service through the cable company. Connect modem to cable line. If they don't contact dispatch and get them to allow the computer on the firewall ("wall guard" in Comcast jargon), the modem won't pull an IP address and you can't connect.

Installation tech would have been an easy job option for me if it hadn't been for severe acrophobia; I can't climb poles.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: citizen k on September 11, 2009, 12:54:27 PM
Nice backtracking pipsqueak.  ;)

Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: citizen k on September 11, 2009, 12:55:37 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on September 11, 2009, 12:26:58 PM
Quote from: citizen k on September 11, 2009, 11:50:09 AMIt's Bananaboy, he's full of misinformation.  ;)
Lay off the ad hom bullshit, plz.

No.  :menace:

Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 20, 2009, 09:19:20 PM
I never did an update on Snow Leopard.

When it came to OS X:

-upgrade was very simple, no hassles, no problems
-once it is done... honestly, when they said "no new features" they weren't kidding.  I can't tell a difference.  At.  All.  I guess it's worthwhile down the road once people take advantage of some of the new features.
-perhaps its because I upgraded the King of Macs.  It was always fast.  I think startup/shutdown might be faster, but I'm not sure.  Slower Macs might see more of an difference.


When it comes to Windows:

-at first I didn't realize I needed to upgrade Bootcamp, so I only did it today.
-the only upgrade hiccup.  It said I needed to restart.  I did, but it restarted into crappy VGA graphics.  I hit "upgrade" a second time, went through the process, and everything's fine.
-the only noticeable improvement also - now I can access my Mac partition in Windows.  That might be worth the $29 just by itself.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 20, 2009, 09:26:18 PM
My wife asked to get a new printer, since we have a nice colour printer for pictures, but it is crap for black and white text.

So, being cheap, I bought a Brother Laser printer for $80.  I expect it to burst into flames at some point.

It came with drivers, but when it came to OS X the manual was talking about OS X 10.3 and 10.4 (Snow Leopard is 10.6).  I didn't trust it, so I simply plugged the printer in.  OS X immediately identified the printer, asked if I wanted to download drivers, did so, and within 5 minutes I was printing.

Then I went to install XP drivers.

I tried the same process - merely plugged in the printer.  It did auto-detect a new printer, and did say it would download a driver, but it then hung on the process - after 15 minutes I had to restart the computer.

Then I went to manually install some drivers.  I went to the brother website, took some searching, did download the driver.  Went to install, had to follow some convoluted instructions, and after about 10 minutes it did work.

Plug-and-Play was definitely not true for this cheap printer.  It certainly does work under Windows, but the advantage definitely goes to OS X.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on September 20, 2009, 09:31:52 PM
Yay Mono!
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on September 20, 2009, 09:34:24 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 20, 2009, 09:26:18 PM
My wife asked to get a new printer, since we have a nice colour printer for pictures, but it is crap for black and white text.

So, being cheap, I bought a Brother Laser printer for $80.  I expect it to burst into flames at some point.

It came with drivers, but when it came to OS X the manual was talking about OS X 10.3 and 10.4 (Snow Leopard is 10.6).  I didn't trust it, so I simply plugged the printer in.  OS X immediately identified the printer, asked if I wanted to download drivers, did so, and within 5 minutes I was printing.

Then I went to install XP drivers.

I tried the same process - merely plugged in the printer.  It did auto-detect a new printer, and did say it would download a driver, but it then hung on the process - after 15 minutes I had to restart the computer.

Then I went to manually install some drivers.  I went to the brother website, took some searching, did download the driver.  Went to install, had to follow some convoluted instructions, and after about 10 minutes it did work.

Plug-and-Play was definitely not true for this cheap printer.  It certainly does work under Windows, but the advantage definitely goes to OS X.

This is one instance where I defend the higher-priced stuff. A lot of peripherals companies who make things "for Windows" save money by using crappy in-house development tools to build the drivers and they "pass the savings" on to you.  Also, cheap stuff is not likely to have undergone certification in the "logo testing" program, where Microsoft would be able to catch a lot of the glitches and help get them fixed.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on September 20, 2009, 09:49:36 PM
Fuck Apple.

Here I am, wanting to get the battery replaced in my poor little 2nd gen black and white audio only 20GB iPod...but noooo....I can't just drop it off and get it replaced....I HAVE to make a Genius appointment at my local Apple store, so they can try to sell me another iPod.
"But we don't know if it's really the battery or not"....bullshit, it's from 2004 for fuck's sake, you assfucks.
No, I don't want a new iPod...no, I don't want to watch videos, or movies, or take pictures.  I want my iPod battery replaced, so I can listen to motherfucking music.

Fuck Steve Jobs.  Get more cancer, you fucking fuck.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on September 20, 2009, 10:13:14 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 20, 2009, 09:49:36 PM
Fuck Apple.

Here I am, wanting to get the battery replaced in my poor little 2nd gen black and white audio only 20GB iPod...but noooo....I can't just drop it off and get it replaced....I HAVE to make a Genius appointment at my local Apple store, so they can try to sell me another iPod.
"But we don't know if it's really the battery or not"....bullshit, it's from 2004 for fuck's sake, you assfucks.
No, I don't want a new iPod...no, I don't want to watch videos, or movies, or take pictures.  I want my iPod battery replaced, so I can listen to motherfucking music.

Fuck Steve Jobs.  Get more cancer, you fucking fuck.

If you have a small screwdriver, you can replace it yourself pretty easily.  A battery should cost $10 or less on ebay.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Valdemar on September 21, 2009, 02:52:29 AM
I'll try not to frase this as another.. "why Apple is so damn propretarian.."

But I really need to understand this:

When I plug in my Ipod nano to get some fresh power it automatically triggers Itunes. Fine.

When I then wants to hear some of the music ON the nano while it is plugged in the Itunes refuses to play??

Itunes refuses to recognise the songs on the nano because it cannot find the one in the main (PC) library (which is understandable since they are on a portable drive).

So, why cannot apple, A stop being so damn propriatare so I can actually PLAY my nano songs. And B play the songs from the nano when it is plugged in?

V
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Cerr on September 21, 2009, 05:20:02 AM
Has anyone tried Rockbox?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockbox

I'm curious as to how well it works. I definitely consider it if I had an Ipod. It allows for drag and drop, so you can avoid using Itunes.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 21, 2009, 11:39:39 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on September 20, 2009, 09:34:24 PM
This is one instance where I defend the higher-priced stuff. A lot of peripherals companies who make things "for Windows" save money by using crappy in-house development tools to build the drivers and they "pass the savings" on to you.  Also, cheap stuff is not likely to have undergone certification in the "logo testing" program, where Microsoft would be able to catch a lot of the glitches and help get them fixed.

But why was the process so painless on OS X?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on September 21, 2009, 03:29:37 PM
Quote from: Valdemar on September 21, 2009, 02:52:29 AM
I'll try not to frase this as another.. "why Apple is so damn propretarian.."

But I really need to understand this:

When I plug in my Ipod nano to get some fresh power it automatically triggers Itunes. Fine.

When I then wants to hear some of the music ON the nano while it is plugged in the Itunes refuses to play??

Itunes refuses to recognise the songs on the nano because it cannot find the one in the main (PC) library (which is understandable since they are on a portable drive).

So, why cannot apple, A stop being so damn propriatare so I can actually PLAY my nano songs. And B play the songs from the nano when it is plugged in?

V

Can't you just move the songs from the portable drive to the pc's internal hard drive?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 21, 2009, 03:36:38 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 21, 2009, 03:29:37 PM
Can't you just move the songs from the portable drive to the pc's internal hard drive?

To appease rights holders the iPod was deliberately designed so that you could not take songs from the iPod onto another computer.  It will hold music, but can not be used to transfer music.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on September 21, 2009, 10:14:30 PM
Quote from: Valdemar on September 21, 2009, 02:52:29 AM
I'll try not to frase this as another.. "why Apple is so damn propretarian.."

But I really need to understand this:

When I plug in my Ipod nano to get some fresh power it automatically triggers Itunes. Fine.

When I then wants to hear some of the music ON the nano while it is plugged in the Itunes refuses to play??

Itunes refuses to recognise the songs on the nano because it cannot find the one in the main (PC) library (which is understandable since they are on a portable drive).

So, why cannot apple, A stop being so damn propriatare so I can actually PLAY my nano songs. And B play the songs from the nano when it is plugged in?

V

:huh:

you can change the open itunes automatically thing in "preferences"

Um i play tracks from my nano while it's plugged in all the time.

um never had that problem. (I have music on three different partitions 3 on 2 drives) despite having my library technically as one of those. It's called drag and drop (and disallow itunes from copying or any other automated bullshit) All Apple software (especially Itunes) needs to be neutered, and or spayed in the "my preferences" menu. :contract: If you actually let apple run your apps you are doing it wrong .

I find if you ignore apple as much as possible when it comes to itunes, it's rather versatile. There isn't anything I've wanted to use it for that I can't figure out how to (or dl a user script to do for me)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Valdemar on September 22, 2009, 06:20:41 AM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on September 21, 2009, 10:14:30 PM
Quote from: Valdemar on September 21, 2009, 02:52:29 AM
I'll try not to frase this as another.. "why Apple is so damn propretarian.."

But I really need to understand this:

When I plug in my Ipod nano to get some fresh power it automatically triggers Itunes. Fine.

When I then wants to hear some of the music ON the nano while it is plugged in the Itunes refuses to play??

Itunes refuses to recognise the songs on the nano because it cannot find the one in the main (PC) library (which is understandable since they are on a portable drive).

So, why cannot apple, A stop being so damn propriatare so I can actually PLAY my nano songs. And B play the songs from the nano when it is plugged in?

V

:huh:

you can change the open itunes automatically thing in "preferences"

Um i play tracks from my nano while it's plugged in all the time.

um never had that problem. (I have music on three different partitions 3 on 2 drives) despite having my library technically as one of those. It's called drag and drop (and disallow itunes from copying or any other automated bullshit) All Apple software (especially Itunes) needs to be neutered, and or spayed in the "my preferences" menu. :contract: If you actually let apple run your apps you are doing it wrong .

I find if you ignore apple as much as possible when it comes to itunes, it's rather versatile. There isn't anything I've wanted to use it for that I can't figure out how to (or dl a user script to do for me)

I basically agree, but I can't get it to play from the Nano. Do you play it with Itunes open or closed?

When I tried it came up with "cannot synchronise" which is true as long as the songs are not plugged in, but it won't let me play the songs FROM the nano. It can see them, not play them. (in Itunes)

V
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DisturbedPervert on September 22, 2009, 09:13:50 AM
Got some iPhone Configuration Utility trying to install itself on my computer somehow.  No idea where this came from, don't own an iphone or ipod or have itunes installed.  Only apple software I can think of is quicktime, apparently the updater from that was trying to install more Apple programs.  Probably will delete that to ensure no more Apple shenanigans, no one uses quicktime anymore anyway.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on September 22, 2009, 12:21:53 PM
Quote from: Valdemar on September 22, 2009, 06:20:41 AM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on September 21, 2009, 10:14:30 PM
Quote from: Valdemar on September 21, 2009, 02:52:29 AM
I'll try not to frase this as another.. "why Apple is so damn propretarian.."

But I really need to understand this:

When I plug in my Ipod nano to get some fresh power it automatically triggers Itunes. Fine.

When I then wants to hear some of the music ON the nano while it is plugged in the Itunes refuses to play??

Itunes refuses to recognise the songs on the nano because it cannot find the one in the main (PC) library (which is understandable since they are on a portable drive).

So, why cannot apple, A stop being so damn propriatare so I can actually PLAY my nano songs. And B play the songs from the nano when it is plugged in?

V

:huh:

you can change the open itunes automatically thing in "preferences"

Um i play tracks from my nano while it's plugged in all the time.

um never had that problem. (I have music on three different partitions 3 on 2 drives) despite having my library technically as one of those. It's called drag and drop (and disallow itunes from copying or any other automated bullshit) All Apple software (especially Itunes) needs to be neutered, and or spayed in the "my preferences" menu. :contract: If you actually let apple run your apps you are doing it wrong .

I find if you ignore apple as much as possible when it comes to itunes, it's rather versatile. There isn't anything I've wanted to use it for that I can't figure out how to (or dl a user script to do for me)

I basically agree, but I can't get it to play from the Nano. Do you play it with Itunes open or closed?

When I tried it came up with "cannot synchronise" which is true as long as the songs are not plugged in, but it won't let me play the songs FROM the nano. It can see them, not play them. (in Itunes)

V


that's weird. I never tried using the nano outside of itunes, yet still plugged in... as you can see and play any song from itunes itself (which has a better interface than any ipod) I always play my pod from itunes when it is attached.  never occured to me to do otherwise.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Valdemar on September 22, 2009, 01:42:16 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on September 22, 2009, 12:21:53 PM


that's weird. I never tried using the nano outside of itunes, yet still plugged in... as you can see and play any song from itunes itself (which has a better interface than any ipod) I always play my pod from itunes when it is attached.  never occured to me to do otherwise.

I tried yesterday to play the songs ON the Nano from Itunes, but they were greyed out with an error it was unable to synch. Couldn't get it to play at all :S

V
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Valdemar on September 26, 2009, 11:46:31 AM
Tried again today, noticed 3 things

A Itunes doesnt open when attatching Ipod despite the tag to do so
B When open the first thing Itunes does is to tell me 100 songs are not syncronised when the HD with the songs are not avaialbe. Not all songs, but exactly 100 despite all songs being synced.
C clicking the Ipod and then the Music line for the ipod all songs are grey as in not avaialbe and cannot be played. I tried I thing EVERY possible preference and tag, but can't find out why it wont play somgs form the nano, but only from the HD.

Help pls :(

V
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 26, 2009, 12:10:12 PM
It is designed that way.

Seriously - they don't want you to be able to access songs from the iPod to the computer.  Syncing is a one-way process, computer -> iPod.  It's so you can't use the iPod to share music with your friends.

Doesn't make sense anymore since they removed DRM, but that's still the system.

Just use a thumb drive to copy the songs from your old computer to your new computer.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Tonitrus on September 26, 2009, 12:14:21 PM
http://www.ephpod.com/
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on September 27, 2009, 01:04:12 AM
Uh yeah Don't sync shit man. do it yourself. drag and drop yor playlists to and fro within itunes like I do. all preferences should be manual. don't let apple organize your shit. they don't know how.

seriously.

Had my first nano glitch in I guess 18 months or so with this nano... plugged iy in today... couldn't be read by itunes. options? Reformat/Restore or well that was the only option. BAM.

But no big whoop, I'd been planning a bit of a changeup anyhoo. so now I have a whole new pod , I just noticed today there are games on there. I sucked at the quizzes.

I use my ipod 6 hours a day(at work) mon-fri and a few hours on the weekend (sometimes) That's the first gitch... oh and I played some of the new songs from the pod in itunes.

Just SAY NO TO SYNCH!
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on September 27, 2009, 01:18:31 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 26, 2009, 12:10:12 PM
Just use a thumb drive to copy the songs from your old computer to your new computer.

Or download an ipod rip utility. There's a lot of them out there.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Valdemar on September 27, 2009, 04:33:57 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 26, 2009, 12:10:12 PM
It is designed that way.

Seriously - they don't want you to be able to access songs from the iPod to the computer.  Syncing is a one-way process, computer -> iPod.  It's so you can't use the iPod to share music with your friends.

Doesn't make sense anymore since they removed DRM, but that's still the system.

Just use a thumb drive to copy the songs from your old computer to your new computer.

It wasn't to share with another PC. It was simply to play the songs from the nano on the same PC it is "attached" to because the HD the songs are on wasn't available at that time.

And it still gives me weird "can't sync. XX songs as they are not avaiable"

V
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 27, 2009, 10:57:24 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on September 27, 2009, 04:33:57 AM
It wasn't to share with another PC. It was simply to play the songs from the nano on the same PC it is "attached" to because the HD the songs are on wasn't available at that time.

And it still gives me weird "can't sync. XX songs as they are not avaiable"

V

Yes I understand that you aren't trying to share with another PC, but that is the reason why you can't play the song in the manner you are trying to do.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Valdemar on September 28, 2009, 02:23:03 AM
That then only reinforces my feelings from the new Ipod Shuffle, that Apple is all design and properiatary software, not a useful user friendly device..

Result, next music Gizmo is not going to be apple.

V
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on September 28, 2009, 05:46:13 AM
Yeah, as far as messing with Apple recognizing synced songs that aren't showing up, there's a way, but you need to know where in the hidden folders the file is and how to add it manually to the xml sync list.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on September 28, 2009, 07:16:02 AM
The wife's iPhone started doing the no sound thing again after about two weeks of working.  I wandered up to the AT&T Store to see wtf, and was told I had to make an appointment with some shithead called a "Genius," because they were so busy or some such, and they are pretty backed up blahblah.

Now, what I want to know is this:  If it just fucking works, why the hell are their tech support types so busy that they require appointments that apparently are weeks in advance?

Edit: AT&T store, not Apple Store.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on September 28, 2009, 07:19:29 AM
You see, the 'genius' is powered by his own shit he spews. He needs to regenerate that.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: citizen k on September 30, 2009, 02:06:18 AM
QuoteApple dips into its past, brings back Newton developer

Tue Sep 29, 2009 11:27AM EDT

Back in the day, Michael Tchao was one of the brains behind Apple's ahead-of-its-time PDA, the Newton. Now, apparently, he's back in Cupertino as VP of "product marketing." Could Tchao's return have something to do with Apple's rumored touchscreen "iTablet"? Inquiring minds want to know.
The New York Times reports that Tchao, who originally left Apple about 15 years ago after the groundbreaking Newton MessagePads failed to take off, was back on campus Monday, where he presumably got a new ID badge and a new title: vice president of product marketing, reporting to Apple SVP Phil Schiller.

So, what exactly is Tchao, who helped shepherd the Newton to market in the early 90s, working on now? Well, Apple won't say (surprise, surprise!), but it seems logical that he'll be devoting at least some of his time to a hot new product that Apple has yet to even officially acknowledge: the rumored touchscreen Mac tablet, which is widely expected to be unveiled early next year.

First announced back in 1992, four years before Palm even existed, the Newton was (for all intents and purposes) the original PDA: a big, bulky handheld with a monochrome touchscreen LCD, a stylus, and handwriting recognition technology, allowing you to scribble (whoa!) and store your notes, to-dos, events, and contacts. The thing even had apps like a Calculator, a Currency Converter, and Time-Zone Maps.

Pretty cool for 1992, but the Newton MessagePad faced some serious obstacles: it was relatively big and heavy (weighing in at almost a pound), it was expensive ($699, or a whopping $1,044 adjusted for inflation), handwriting recognition was still a touch-and-go proposition, and—worst of all—early 1990s-era consumers weren't quite sure what to do with the thing. The Newton ultimately died with a whimper in 1998, leaving Palm to pick up the reins with the PalmPilot.

Apple will face similar hurdles with its upcoming iTablet (assuming, of course, that it actually exists). Rumor has it that it's bigger than an iPhone but smaller than laptop, lacks a physical keypad (so it's not exactly a netbook, either), and it could cost somewhere in the $800 range.

So ... what's an $800 touchscreen Mac tablet (sans keyboard) good for, then, if we can already check our e-mail, watch movies, and surf the Web on our iPhones? That's the question that Apple's marketing department will have to answer—presumably with help from Tchao, who bears both "the scars and the great ideas" about tablets from his experience with Newton, according to the Times story.


Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on September 30, 2009, 07:40:07 AM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 28, 2009, 07:16:02 AM
The wife's iPhone started doing the no sound thing again after about two weeks of working.  I wandered up to the AT&T Store to see wtf, and was told I had to make an appointment with some shithead called a "Genius," because they were so busy or some such, and they are pretty backed up blahblah.

Now, what I want to know is this:  If it just fucking works, why the hell are their tech support types so busy that they require appointments that apparently are weeks in advance?

Edit: AT&T store, not Apple Store.

Somebody canceled their appointment with THE GENIUS, so I absolutely must be at the "iPod Bar" ( :huh:) at precisely 7:25pm.  I'm excited.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Neil on September 30, 2009, 08:32:49 AM
My god, Apple is pretentious.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 30, 2009, 10:37:52 AM
Quote from: Neil on September 30, 2009, 08:32:49 AM
My god, Apple is pretentious.

^_^
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on September 30, 2009, 10:54:43 AM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on September 22, 2009, 09:13:50 AM
Got some iPhone Configuration Utility trying to install itself on my computer somehow.  No idea where this came from, don't own an iphone or ipod or have itunes installed.  Only apple software I can think of is quicktime, apparently the updater from that was trying to install more Apple programs.  Probably will delete that to ensure no more Apple shenanigans, no one uses quicktime anymore anyway.

In addition to that, they will try to sneak iTunes, Safari, and MobileMe in with your QT update.  Thanks, Apple-- didn't know I needed all that shit!
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on October 10, 2009, 10:10:03 AM
Hey - this isn't about computer troubles.

This is an Apple thread.  :contract:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on October 10, 2009, 10:11:16 AM
Apple is computer trouble, as the thread is a headache for us PC tech-guys. :contract:

:P
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on October 10, 2009, 11:28:55 AM
Quote from: Barrister on October 10, 2009, 10:10:03 AM
Hey - this isn't about computer troubles.

This is an Apple thread.  :contract:

Your fagg0try = exiled.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on October 10, 2009, 01:54:26 PM
bah. whatevs. hilarious. is this place getting KAPland-ized after all. endless subfora. when does the alt.history forum come back? How about "ivory Tower" I haven't spit on anyone from on high in ages. or "sandbox"... make Jaron the mod of that. :p

I'm kidding... but it's still funny.

and those people who demonize Mac as a company have a point... as a company is pretentious, a bit of a princess. But so are those who stand on some other platform deriding it. I've said this a million times here. It's just a computer. I like it because I find the interface pleasant, and I have never had any issues I couldn't fix or figure out much faster than I did as a PC user for over 10 years.

I have no froth for PC devotees however. and Mac people who do deserve whatever barbs you toss their way. It's just a computer. The reason you have it is because you chose it,( in most cases)... All computers are made by people and as such are inherently flawed. [email protected] planned obsolence & proprietary bullpuckerey? yeah MS, IBM, Sony etc have never been guilty of that hubris have they? :rolleyes:

Apple=Microsoft=Sony=whatever evil ass corp sells you the stuff you need to live.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on October 10, 2009, 09:35:18 PM
Many people fail to make informed decisions, B.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on October 10, 2009, 11:32:50 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 10, 2009, 09:35:18 PM
Many people fail to make informed decisions, B.

true dat. I'm living proof (in some areas)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Neil on October 13, 2009, 12:14:36 PM
So, apparently Snow Leopard doesn't work and is the worst thing ever.  PC is vindicated.  Maybe MS should start doing commercials about how unreliable the Mac is.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on October 13, 2009, 12:21:02 PM
Quote from: Neil on October 13, 2009, 12:14:36 PM
So, apparently Snow Leopard doesn't work and is the worst thing ever.  PC is vindicated.  Maybe MS should start doing commercials about how unreliable the Mac is.

:yeahright:

Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on October 13, 2009, 12:33:12 PM
he's trolling, beeb. Snow Leopard is small upgrade, that from all reports works fine.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Neil on October 13, 2009, 02:05:58 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on October 13, 2009, 12:33:12 PM
he's trolling, beeb. Snow Leopard is small upgrade, that from all reports works fine.
I dunno.  I just saw some story on Google News about how there were some reports of problems and data loss, and figured that Mac has come to an end and all their little foot soldiers would have dogs eating their stomachs in the desert.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on October 13, 2009, 02:14:26 PM
Huh - I just saw this:

QuoteApple owns up to odd—but serious—Snow Leopard data-loss bug
A serious data-loss bug is affecting a small percentage of users who have upgraded to Snow Leopard and use guest accounts. Though Apple says the bug is "rare," it is working on a solution.

By Chris Foresman | Last updated October 13, 2009 1:25 PM CTText Size   Print this article Leave a comment  Snow Leopard has, in our experience, been a mostly problem-free upgrade. However, an unusual and potentially serious bug has been identified related to guest accounts and Snow Leopard upgrades. Unfortunately, using a guest account has the potential to wipe your own user account clean of all data, though Apple has acknowledged that it is aware of the problem and is working on a solution.

The problem doesn't affect every Snow Leopard user—it seems to be linked to changes in the way guest accounts are handled between Leopard and Snow Leopard. To trigger the bug, a machine running Leopard with the guest account feature enabled must be updated to Snow Leopard. The next time the guest account is accessed, it appears to wipe the user's main home directory clean, as if it were also a guest account.

"We are aware of the issue, which occurs only in extremely rare cases, and we are working on a fix," an Apple spokesperson said in a statement Monday.

MacFixIt first noted the problem in early September, as users who experienced the problem began posting about the issue in Apple's support forums. Later, MacFixit identified a way to avoid the problem: disable the guest account before updating, and re-enable it after updating. Or better yet, if you don't really need guest accounts, just leave them turned off.

Unfortunately, unless you have a recent Time Machine or other backup, your data may be gone for good—unless you're willing to pay for an expensive data recovery process. But then again, Ars readers are they sort that have regular backups, right?

Apple is currently seeding a beta of Mac OS X 10.6.2 to developers for testing, though there is no information that it addresses this bug specifically. Given the potential for massive data loss, though, we expect that fixing the problem is a priority for Mac OS X engineers.

Good to know, since I have a guest account enabled (but it's never used) and have upgraded to SL.  I'll disable guest tonight.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Neil on October 13, 2009, 02:16:38 PM
If you just want a computer that works, without any fiddling around with accounts and whatnot, better just get a PC.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on October 13, 2009, 02:19:07 PM
Quote from: Neil on October 13, 2009, 02:16:38 PM
If you just want a computer that works, without any fiddling around with accounts and whatnot, better just get a PC.

:lol:

I've done far, far more fiddling with PCs than I have on my Mac.

But no, Apple is not perfect.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on October 14, 2009, 10:12:29 AM
Beeb-- Cnet did a "Prize Fight" between the Zune HD & 3rd Gen Ipod Touch.  I disagree with a couple particular comments they had on the Zune HD, but I can't disagree with the overall result.  I think the Zune HD compared really well for a first-gen device.

http://reviews.cnet.com/2722-6490_7-285.html

I've had people at work ask me if I'd recommend the Zune HD over the Touch, and in a couple cases I had to recommend the Touch because of the apps.  But I still recommend the Zune HD to anyone who wants a richer media experience.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadImmortalMan on October 14, 2009, 03:51:44 PM


http://www.dickipedia.org/dick.php?title=Steve_Jobs


Quote

Steve Jobs
From Dickipedia - A Wiki of Dicks
Steve Jobs (born Steven Paul Jobs on February 24, 1955) is the CEO, chairman, and co-founder of Apple Inc., as well as the founder of cutting edge animation studio Pixar, thereby making him the dick to thank for a seemingly endless cavalcade of anthropomorphized machines, talking insects, and/or tow trucks voiced by Larry the Cable Guy.

Steve Jobs is a new school dick. In direct refutation of the traditional dick that still dominates both the business and academic worlds, Jobs masks his dickitude with a hip, user-friendly interface.

Along with Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak, Jobs helped popularize the personal computer in the late 1970s. He was also responsible for developing the mouse, an invention that not only revolutionized home computing, but also forced millions of men to switch over to left-handed masturbation.

Jobs is widely considered responsible for the Apple brand's sleek functionality. This has earned him a devoted, almost cult-like following, especially amongst two other new school dick populations: freelance graphic designers and adult-aged trust fund babies who have nothing better to do with their weekday afternoons than pack their iBooks into a messenger bag and head over to Ozzie's Coffee in Park Slope, Brooklyn, to continue working on the mission statement for yet another "non-profit" they're starting.

No matter how many PC users he manages to convert, Steve Jobs will always totally sweat Bill Gates' jock.

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Early years

Steve Jobs began crafting stylishly elegant housing for his powerful egomania from the moment of his birth in San Francisco, the "Golden Dick City," on February 24, 1955. He shares this birthday with fellow hipster hero Joe Lieberman, and Hollywood heartthrob Abe Vigoda.

Jobs grew up the son of a "repo" man for a local "finance" company in Cupertino, California, a town whose other famous sons include one of the drummers for Primus and the guy who played head "terranaut" in that movie The Core, the 2003 sci-fi catastrophe that spelled the beginning of the end for Hilary Swank. Interestingly enough, Cupertino is not only home to the headquarters of Apple Inc., but also Symantec, Sun Microsystems, and other wannabe playas who wish they could techno-pimp half as big as Apple.

Unlike many Fortune 500 CEOs, Steve Jobs attended noted druggie school Reed College, where, sure enough, he became a druggie. Like many druggies, he got a job in video gaming. Then, he went on a pilgrimage to India, center of both mysticism and computer science. It was a spiritual journey that brought Jobs right back to Atari, where, possibly under the influence of LSD, he and Wozniak developed a souped-up version of Breakout, creatively called "Super Breakout."

Apple I


Jobs and Wozniak founded Apple Computer Co. in 1976 and introduced their first personal computer, the similarly creatively named Apple I, which they priced at $666.66, a number Wozniak is said to have arrived at because he liked repeating digits. Also, he is a Satanist. It was the computer's second iteration, Apple II: The Edge of Reason, that turned Apple into a publicly traded company, and Jobs into a multi-millionaire.

However, it wasn't all IPOs and Orwellian TV commercials for Jobs, who was fired by the guy he had hired as Apple CEO just a year earlier. It takes a pretty big dick to get fired from your own company.

Intermission


Because John Ratzenberger wasn't getting enough voice work, Steve Jobs bought George Lucas' computer graphics division, though unfortunately not before it could create Jar-Jar Binks. Renamed Pixar, the company produced several box office hits. Then Jobs sold it to The Walt Disney Company for $7.4 billion in stock, thus making him the single largest shareholder of the single largest dick corporation on earth.

Apple II

In 1996, Apple bought NeXT computers, another company Jobs founded, and within two years Jobs was back as Apple CEO. Many NeXT technologies found their way into Apple products, most importantly the development of the "lowercase i," which, when added to the beginning of any product name, will make people want to buy it.

Managerial style


As a CEO, Jobs is known for being a geek who likes to be feared, supposedly wielding firings as his weapon of choice. Though he proudly boasts the Guinness World Record for "Lowest Paid Chief Executive Officer," with a yearly salary of $1, that's mostly so he can dick the IRS out of tens of millions of dollars. Maybe he's not so new school after all.

Personal Life

Steve Jobs fancies himself a hippie, even going so far as to have dated Joan Baez. Of course, there aren't many hippies who run a company whose net worth exceeds $5 billion, or who ban books from their retail stores.

Although Jobs claims not to eat meat or poultry, he does occasionally eat fish. This type of vegetarian is known as a lazy hypocrite.

Jobs was one of the first CEOs to wear mock turtlenecks. Now they're all doing it.

Honors


In 2007, Steve Jobs was named Most Powerful Businessman by Fortune Magazine. If that dick distinction—or "dickstinction"—doesn't close the book on his dickishness, then what does? Oh, maybe this: less than a week and a half later, he was inducted into the California Hall of Fame. By Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Steve Job

A "Steve job" is slang for a sexual maneuver in which one partner reams the other with an iPhone until he or she finally gives in, heads down to the Apple Store, and shells out $500 for one.

Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on October 14, 2009, 03:54:57 PM
No doubt about it - Steve Jobs is a world-class dick.

But he makes such wonderful consumer electronics... :wub:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on October 14, 2009, 09:43:48 PM
Quote from: Neil on October 13, 2009, 02:05:58 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on October 13, 2009, 12:33:12 PM
he's trolling, beeb. Snow Leopard is small upgrade, that from all reports works fine.
I dunno.  I just saw some story on Google News about how there were some reports of problems and data loss, and figured that Mac has come to an end and all their little foot soldiers would have dogs eating their stomachs in the desert.

Only stupid people are brand conscious.  :meh:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on October 14, 2009, 09:48:00 PM
It's amazing how much work goes into crap like that dickipedia thing. to be only heh/meh worthy. The interwebs FAIL again. Jobs is a CEO and by that reason alone has no choice but to be a dick... there's no way around that.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: grumbler on October 16, 2009, 09:55:29 AM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on October 14, 2009, 09:48:00 PM
It's amazing how much work goes into crap like that dickipedia thing. to be only heh/meh worthy. The interwebs FAIL again. Jobs is a CEO and by that reason alone has no choice but to be a dick... there's no way around that.
True, but they could present the dickishness in a genuinely amusing way, as opposed to this sophomoric-amusing way.

Agree it is a waste of lifespan to read, but am glad the authors of it are wasting lifespan on something so easily ignored, as opposed to, say, smearing their shit on walls.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Caliga on October 16, 2009, 10:13:45 AM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on October 14, 2009, 09:48:00 PM
Jobs is a CEO and by that reason alone has no choice but to be a dick... there's no way around that.
:huh:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on October 16, 2009, 10:23:29 AM
Quote from: Caliga on October 16, 2009, 10:13:45 AM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on October 14, 2009, 09:48:00 PM
Jobs is a CEO and by that reason alone has no choice but to be a dick... there's no way around that.
:huh:

Management is evil.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Caliga on October 16, 2009, 10:31:22 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 16, 2009, 10:23:29 AM
Management is evil.
:cool:

But a dick...?  :(
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on October 16, 2009, 10:59:32 AM
Quote from: Caliga on October 16, 2009, 10:31:22 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 16, 2009, 10:23:29 AM
Management is evil.
:cool:

But a dick...?  :(

I'd generally say yes. Or at least an asshole.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on October 16, 2009, 05:05:13 PM
I just found out that Bell Canada (and Telus) will start to sell the iPhone next month.

Why is this important?

Previously iPhone could only be had through Rogers, which offers zero service in the Yukon.  But Bell Canada owns our local company, so it does offer service.

Which means that I'm getting an iPhone!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on October 16, 2009, 05:15:09 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 16, 2009, 05:05:13 PM
I just found out that Bell Canada (and Telus) will start to sell the iPhone next month.

Why is this important?

Previously iPhone could only be had through Rogers, which offers zero service in the Yukon.  But Bell Canada owns our local company, so it does offer service.

Which means that I'm getting an iPhone!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll throw a party in its honor.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on October 17, 2009, 07:57:07 AM
Cool beeberino.

Love mine so far.

( what I'm posting on at this moment, and have been for most of week)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Syt on October 17, 2009, 07:58:57 AM
Having tried a colleague's iPhone I prefer my HTC Hero.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on October 20, 2009, 12:48:16 PM
Apple announces iMac refreshes, and...

the new Magic Mouse!!!1111

http://www.apple.com/magicmouse/

QuoteWe've built a better mouse.
It began with iPhone. Then came iPod touch. Then MacBook Pro. Intuitive, smart, dynamic. Multi-Touch technology introduced a remarkably better way to interact with your portable devices — all using gestures. Now we've reached another milestone by bringing gestures to the desktop with a mouse that's unlike anything ever before. It's called Magic Mouse. It's the world's first Multi-Touch mouse. And while it comes standard with every new iMac, you can also add it to any Bluetooth-enabled Mac for a Multi-Touch makeover.


Seamless Multi-Touch Surface
Magic Mouse — with its low-profile design and seamless top shell — is so sleek and dramatically different, it brings a whole new feel to the way you get around on your Mac. You can't help but marvel at its smooth, buttonless appearance. Then you touch it and instantly appreciate how good it feels in your hand. But it's when you start using Magic Mouse that everything comes together.

The Multi-Touch area covers the top surface of Magic Mouse, and the mouse itself is the button. Scroll in any direction with one finger, swipe through web pages and photos with two, and click and double-click anywhere. Inside Magic Mouse is a chip that tells it exactly what you want to do. Which means Magic Mouse won't confuse a scroll with a swipe. It even knows when you're just resting your hand on it.

Laser-Tracking Engine
Magic Mouse uses powerful laser tracking that's far more sensitive and responsive on more surfaces than traditional optical tracking. That means it tracks with precision on nearly every surface — whether it's a table at your favorite cafe or the desk in your home office — without the need for a mousepad.

Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on October 20, 2009, 12:52:59 PM
So that is why my apple stock is up over 8 bucks today.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Alatriste on October 20, 2009, 01:14:53 PM
I can see Steve Ballmer shouting: Quick, we need a better trap!!!!!  :lol:

Now, this is comedy gold:
Quote
Inside Magic Mouse is a chip that tells it exactly what you want to do.
Great, the chip tells the mouse what I want to do. Exactly. But who tells the chip?  :P

Quote
Which means Magic Mouse won’t confuse a scroll with a swipe.
Well, I'm glad to hear MM won't confuse a drag with a click. Behold the power of Science!

Quote
It even knows when you’re just resting your hand on it.
So, MM will know when I'm doing nothing. Thanks to that wonderful chip, I bet. Great. Just Great.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's an advance over standard mice. But it's incremental, it doesn't merit stocks going wild...
Oh, and I have to assume they hadn't the bucks to buy the rights and call it Mighty Mouse(TM). Guess which name will try to use M$.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on October 20, 2009, 01:21:01 PM
Ed, Apple's stock is probably up because they announced record earnings after the close of market yesterday.

Alatriste, the previous generation mouse (the one the Magic Mouse is replacing) was called the Mighty Mouse.

I actually really liked the Mighty Muse, but it had one, fatal flaw for my purposes - it could not register pressing both left and right buttons at the same time.  That move is essentialy in WoW. :nerd:

I'll have to see if the Magic Mouse can register a two-button-click.  If so, I am so getting it. :blush:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on October 20, 2009, 01:25:05 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 20, 2009, 01:21:01 PM
Ed, Apple's stock is probably up because they announced record earnings after the close of market yesterday.


I figured that. I've got Apple in my "hold" portfolio. The fuckers could offer a dividend though. I guess Jobs needed the money for a non-AIDS infected liver.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Alatriste on October 20, 2009, 01:55:17 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 20, 2009, 01:21:01 PM
Alatriste, the previous generation mouse (the one the Magic Mouse is replacing) was called the Mighty Mouse.

I didn't knew, but it was _THE_ obvious name for a new, improved mouse...
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on October 20, 2009, 03:20:02 PM
Quote from: Syt on October 17, 2009, 07:58:57 AM
Having tried a colleague's iPhone I prefer my HTC Hero.

:punk:

Only downside with mine is that there are a couple apps installed by my carrier that I can't get rid of.  The most egregious one is a Nascar app that I removed from my main screen but is still installed and will not uninstall. 

I AM NOT A REDNECK, SPRINT  :angry:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on October 20, 2009, 04:17:58 PM
Quote from: derspiess on October 20, 2009, 03:20:02 PM
I AM NOT A REDNECK

:yeahright:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on October 20, 2009, 06:03:35 PM
Quick research shows that the Magic Mouse can not, in fact, register simultaneous right and left clicks.  <_<
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Neil on October 20, 2009, 09:18:38 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 20, 2009, 12:48:16 PM
the new Magic Mouse!!!1111
Yuck.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: citizen k on October 21, 2009, 02:03:49 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 20, 2009, 01:25:05 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 20, 2009, 01:21:01 PM
Ed, Apple's stock is probably up because they announced record earnings after the close of market yesterday.


I figured that. I've got Apple in my "hold" portfolio. The fuckers could offer a dividend though. I guess Jobs needed the money for a non-AIDS infected liver.

Jim Cramer upped his price target for Apple from $265 to $300 today.

http://www.thestreet.com/story/10614169/1/cramers-mad-money-recap-my-new-price-target-for-apple-300-final.html (http://www.thestreet.com/story/10614169/1/cramers-mad-money-recap-my-new-price-target-for-apple-300-final.html)

Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadImmortalMan on November 03, 2009, 05:47:02 PM
http://mac-guild.org/raid.html
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on November 03, 2009, 07:39:01 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 03, 2009, 05:47:02 PM
http://mac-guild.org/raid.html

umm, okay.  :mellow:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Tonitrus on December 11, 2009, 04:33:42 PM
QuoteiReagan makes the Gipper a Star

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Posted By Adam Housley On December 11, 2009 @ 2:13 PM

It's simple really, iReagan is all Ronald Reagan all the time. More than five years after his death and nearly three years since the launch of the iPhone, the 40th President becomes the first iPhone App specifically developed for a political figure. So far more than two-thousand people have gone to the app store on their iPhone's to down load the free version of Ronnie and if you want a first hand peek, check above in my Kyte player to see how it looks.

It takes about five minutes to download, but when accessed from your phone, the iReagan app gives the user pictures, video, quotes and even general access and contact information to the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, California. Executive Director Duke Blackwood says, "we still take a visionary approach, just like President Reagan did."

Of course the content is monitored and decided by the folks at the library and because of the sheer magnitude of Presidential stuff, only select items can be shown or made available on the app, thus the ability to contact the library for more help. "It's all about education. This is just step one and we hope to have classroom on iPod's and iPhone's for school kids and teachers. Blackwood says, "we want them to be able to access this information from Michigan, to Miami, to Moscow".

Speaking of the former Soviet Union, the app was built by a company based here stateside in Florida. However, the actual engineers who worked on it are based in the Ukraine. So former Soviet engineers working for a U.S. company built an iPhone app for the President who called for Mr. Gorbachev to "tear down this wall." It's no coincidence that you can find famous cold war pictures, speeches and quotes of the President and even some snapped with Gorbachev at his side.

The library actually began the whole process of bringing "the Gipper" to your fingertips about a year and a half ago. Once the information was gathered and the decisions made, it took the engineers about 3 months to get it ready for downloads. Blackwood and those at the library believe that President Reagan is still talked about positively on both sides of the political aisle and "is an icon of the 20th century." They tell me, "isn't it great to have Ronald Reagan at your fingertips."
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on December 11, 2009, 05:15:32 PM
Should I get that?  nah.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on December 14, 2009, 01:34:13 PM
Over the weekend, apple may have lost a customer.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: jimmy olsen on December 15, 2009, 07:09:39 PM
Thankfully the Israeli Border Police are on the right side of the Macbook question.

http://lilysussman.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/im-sorry-but-we-blew-up-your-laptop-welcome-to-israel/
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Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on December 15, 2009, 08:59:57 PM
Sic Semper Macintoshus.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadImmortalMan on December 16, 2009, 03:01:45 PM
I love the pretentious postage stamp in the lower right.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on December 16, 2009, 10:25:31 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 16, 2009, 03:01:45 PM
I love the pretentious postage stamp in the lower right.

:nerd: Looks like elektra from Marvel comics
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on December 16, 2009, 10:30:33 PM
Quote from: katmai on December 16, 2009, 10:25:31 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 16, 2009, 03:01:45 PM
I love the pretentious postage stamp in the lower right.

:nerd: Looks like elektra from Marvel comics

and is :nerd:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on January 25, 2010, 03:00:36 PM
So Apple has announced aan "event" on January 27th.  In typical Apple fashion they have not said what, if anything will be announced.  The invite simply said "come see our latest creation".

Will it be:

-the mythical Apple Tablet?
-new iPhone OS?
-end to iPhone exclusivity?
-new Macs?
-new MacBooks?
-new iPods?

:w00t:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Grey Fox on January 25, 2010, 03:57:53 PM
It's the iSlate or the blogosphere will implode.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on January 25, 2010, 04:11:39 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 25, 2010, 03:57:53 PM
It's the iSlate or the blogosphere will implode.

Which would be almost as entertaining as the iSlate itself would be. :)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on January 25, 2010, 04:20:11 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 25, 2010, 03:57:53 PM
It's the iSlate or the blogosphere will implode.

I hope it's $1000 as rumored.  That would be hilarious.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on January 25, 2010, 04:21:31 PM
Quote from: derspiess on January 25, 2010, 04:20:11 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 25, 2010, 03:57:53 PM
It's the iSlate or the blogosphere will implode.

I hope it's $1000 as rumored.  That would be hilarious.

Meh.  The rumours are all over the place.  About the only consensus is that it'll be more than an iPhone (~$500 without subsidy) and less than a MacBook ($999).
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadImmortalMan on January 25, 2010, 05:17:20 PM
They already had the Lisa, so this will be the Bart.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Valdemar on February 06, 2010, 04:43:57 AM
I seem to remember someone telling me about this in here, so I'll try...


I have an Itunes installation for my kids where I import CDs for their shuffles.. by accident I forgot to chose MP3 format in the settngs, thus all songs are AAC.

Now my oldest has goten a mobile phone and wants some of these songs on it. Ofc the phone doesn't support the AAC format... I seem to remember someone telling me that I could convert AAC songs to MP3 in Itunes, but I can only find "Create AAC version." Which in itself is silly as the songs are already in AAC, thus the Itunes programme creates another exactl AAC copy of the songs :S

So, how d I convert these songs to MP3?

V
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on February 06, 2010, 11:57:59 AM
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1550
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Valdemar on February 08, 2010, 03:52:54 AM
Quote from: Barrister on February 06, 2010, 11:57:59 AM
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1550

Thanks :)

How odd that the options in the right click menus are controlled by things you do in advanced settings  :huh:

V
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on February 10, 2010, 04:14:25 PM
It looks like I'm going to buy a couple old g3 iMacs and set up a computer room for the kids. I figure they can enjoy the bright, shiny colors and I won't be out more than 75 bucks or so for each computer.

Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on February 14, 2010, 06:34:34 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 10, 2010, 04:14:25 PM
It looks like I'm going to buy a couple old g3 iMacs and set up a computer room for the kids. I figure they can enjoy the bright, shiny colors and I won't be out more than 75 bucks or so for each computer.

Went with a couple of G4 eMacs. No fuss, no muss networking them. Got the computer room up and running.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: sbr on February 23, 2010, 10:19:15 AM
5 Reasons You Should Be Scared of Apple (http://www.cracked.com/article_18377_5-reasons-you-should-be-scared-apple.html)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: sbr on February 23, 2010, 01:32:35 PM
Didn't mean for this to turn into bash iApple day but this caught my eye after having posted the previous one.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8530124.stm

QuoteDevelopers have expressed anger at Apple's decision to ban some adult-themed applications from its iPhone.

Thousands of apps with adult-themed content have been removed from the store since Friday although some, such as one from Playboy, remain.

Apple has said that certain apps were removed following customer complaints.

Developer Jon Atherton is angry that previously-approved apps have been pulled, and accuses Apple of "experimenting with our livelihoods".

Apple said it had to respond to its customers.

"It came to the point where we were getting customer complaints from women who found the content getting too degrading and objectionable, as well as parents who were upset with what their kids were able to see," Phil Schiller, Apple's senior vice president of product marketing, told the New York Times.

Knee-jerk reaction

When asked why some apps with adult content had remained intact he said that Apple took into consideration how "well-known" companies were as well as whether they had "previously published material".

ChilliFresh is an Australian company that creates apps for the iPhone, including the recently banned Wobble, which provides pictures of women's breasts.

"I'm now worried the eco-system is run by puritans and is not fair to all players," developer Jon Atherton said on its website.

"And worst of all it is not a secure source of income. It can drop to close to zero if they decide to change the rules," he added.

The firm was making £320 a day out of its apps, a figure which has dropped to £5 since the ban, he said.

"On Friday evening we got an e-mail out of the blue which basically said, thanks very much but we don't want you any more. Apple said it was removing all overtly sexual apps," he told the BBC.

He said that if Apple was serious about protecting young customers it should allow parents to set controls for devices.

He called on Apple to publish its new guidelines so that developers were clear on what they could and could not do as well as to clarify why not all sex-related apps are affected by the ban.

"My view is that this is a knee-jerk reaction. Apple is very controlling. These apps are getting popular but the apps store doesn't have an adult section," he said.

"I'd have thought there was a technological way of fixing the problem rather than pulling the rug out from under people's feet," he added.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Iormlund on February 28, 2010, 06:48:31 PM
Well it's not that surprising, Apple is all about child protection. For example, from the Torygraph: Apple admits using child labour. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/7330986/Apple-admits-using-child-labour.html)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on March 08, 2010, 01:32:55 PM
Am waffling on getting the Imac of my dreams. I may go for a souped up mac mini and a two monitor, nice office printer setup, as I want to get back into doing more quickie video/desktop pub projects. I can get a mini, and the periphs I don't have for about the same price as the just the lowest end imac.

But it really all depends on how I mange my funds over the next few months. Still totally up in the air and G4-ing it with my 8 year old system.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on March 09, 2010, 09:41:59 AM
Quotenice office printer setup

For the love of Jesus, avoid Lexmark printers.  :yuk:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on March 09, 2010, 12:51:30 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 09, 2010, 09:41:59 AM
Quotenice office printer setup

For the love of Jesus, avoid Lexmark printers.  :yuk:

yeah I had a crappy one of those back in the heady early days of Win98. :bleeding: been a solid HP guy since then, no complaints.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on March 10, 2010, 12:40:19 AM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on March 09, 2010, 12:51:30 PM
yeah I had a crappy one of those back in the heady early days of Win98. :bleeding: been a solid HP guy since then, no complaints.

I had an HP stop working and ended up having to call their support line.  The guy asked if I was using HP paper in it, and when I said it was just whatever brand I had pilfered from my office, he said he couldn't help me and was going to have to go until I had HP paper in it (it was something with the ink cartridge part not sliding back and forth correctly IIRC...I just know it had nothing to do with the paper at all).  :blink:  I called back the next day, and a different guy asked me the same thing (I said yes that time).

But yeah.  Good printers.  The replacement they sent me still works just fine.

Edit:  Holy shit that was something like 8 or 9 years ago now.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Caliga on March 10, 2010, 06:23:11 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 09, 2010, 09:41:59 AM
For the love of Jesus, avoid Lexmark printers.  :yuk:
:yes: I worked quite a bit with Lexmark at my previous job (they're based in Lexington, Ky.)  Trust me when I say the company sucks and most of its employees are retarded.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on March 10, 2010, 01:25:21 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 10, 2010, 12:40:19 AM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on March 09, 2010, 12:51:30 PM
yeah I had a crappy one of those back in the heady early days of Win98. :bleeding: been a solid HP guy since then, no complaints.

I had an HP stop working and ended up having to call their support line.  The guy asked if I was using HP paper in it, and when I said it was just whatever brand I had pilfered from my office, he said he couldn't help me and was going to have to go until I had HP paper in it (it was something with the ink cartridge part not sliding back and forth correctly IIRC...I just know it had nothing to do with the paper at all).  :blink:  I called back the next day, and a different guy asked me the same thing (I said yes that time).

But yeah.  Good printers.  The replacement they sent me still works just fine.

Edit:  Holy shit that was something like 8 or 9 years ago now.

That's hilarious. I've thankfully never had to call any help line other the Apple one, once. Dude was a total asshole.

I've never had any issues with my printers since like 2000 or so with a lexmark... I had a Canon after that, that a friend (i gave it to him when I went to Japan) still has and uses occasionally. I've been using the same model of HP since Japan. No problems, no install discs, no driver issues. they just work.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadImmortalMan on March 12, 2010, 12:58:11 PM
iJuche    :lmfao:


http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=12031

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.zdnet.com%2Fblogs%2Fkimjob.jpg&hash=4487f2836231fbd083555185478431343249cd2c)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on March 12, 2010, 05:53:38 PM
http://www.comedycentral.com/tosh.0/2010/02/09/daniel-tosh-destroys-an-ipad/
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on March 15, 2010, 12:20:13 PM
The ipad may very well be the new "Newton"
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: citizen k on March 15, 2010, 11:39:20 PM
QuoteApple's Fault, Not AT&T, for iPhone Ills

NEW YORK (TheStreet) -- Apple's (AAPL) iPhone is a signaling pig.
As the great iPhone/AT&T (T) debate goes round and round, an equipment supplier has pointed the finger at Apple -- not AT&T -- for causing the problems with the iPhone's wireless connections.

Hoping to clear the air -- or perhaps sell more gear -- Nokia Siemens Networks, a joint networking gear venture of Nokia (NOK) and Siemens (SI), says mobile signaling traffic exploded when Apple released the iPhone OS 3.0 on June 18, 2009, according to a note from JPMorgan analyst Rod Hall Wednesday.
iPhone 3GS

Apparently, in an effort to lower power consumption, Apple designed the iPhone to stay in touch with the network through heavy bursts of signaling traffic rather than keep a radio channel open constantly (keeping the channel open drains the battery). The iPhone effectively caused signaling congestion problems like dropped calls and poor connection quality.

Think of it like a railway system and the arrival of fancy new trains. A troubling feature of the new trains is that their radios jam the railroad's signaling system. The tracks aren't congested, but the lights are all glowing red.

If true, the assumption would make Apple's iPhone the culprit in what has been a vexing issue for AT&T, Apple and millions of cranky customers.

This could be a big vindication for AT&T, which has been widely criticized for its network's quality issues. If Nokia Siemens' diagnosis is accurate, it would mean that AT&T's data network isn't in need of great repair and that only a modest signaling upgrade would be needed if Apple decides to stick with its signaling preference.

AT&T declined to comment. Apple wasn't immediately available for comment.

The picture started to come into focus last week. Nokia Siemens CEO Rajeev Suri hinted during a presentation at the Mobile World Congress in Barcelona that an unspecified smartphone had a particularly troubling network profile.

Suri told attendees that a certain idle smartphone created as much signaling traffic as 1,000 phone calls a day, according to a story reported by Mobile Europe.

Until now, few industry players had been willing to blame Apple for the problem. And Apple has never explained its role in the signaling flap. In fact, last month, Apple told analysts on its earnings call that AT&T would take the fall and make the fixes.

"AT&T has acknowledged that they are having some issues in a few cities and they have very detailed plans to address these," Apple COO Tim Cook said, according to a transcript on SeekingAlpha. "We have personally reviewed these plans and we have very high confidence that they will make significant progress towards fixing them."

Stepping up so Apple could save face and keep its reputation unblemished may have paid off for AT&T. Ma Bell won an exclusive deal to sell the iPad next month and its exclusive pact with the iPhone may have been extended for its loyalty.

-- Written by Scott Moritz in New Yor
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on March 16, 2010, 02:57:11 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100315/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_apple_ipad_batteries

QuoteApple says it will replace iPads with dying batteries for about $100.

Apple Inc.'s iPhone and iPad both have sealed-in batteries that owners can't replace themselves. As it does with the iPhone, Apple says it will give people whose iPads have a "diminished ability to hold an electrical charge" an entire new unit. The service will cost $99 plus $6.95 in shipping charges.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on March 16, 2010, 02:58:31 AM
QuoteApple's Fault, Not AT&T, for iPhone Ills

Hadn't this already been suggested?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on March 16, 2010, 09:03:17 AM
Quote from: garbon on March 16, 2010, 02:57:11 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100315/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_apple_ipad_batteries

QuoteApple says it will replace iPads with dying batteries for about $100.

Apple Inc.'s iPhone and iPad both have sealed-in batteries that owners can't replace themselves. As it does with the iPhone, Apple says it will give people whose iPads have a "diminished ability to hold an electrical charge" an entire new unit. The service will cost $99 plus $6.95 in shipping charges.

Apple's hatred of user-removable batteries is puzzling.  You better not have any sensitive information on your iPad at any time, lest the battery go dead & you have to send it into Apple without being able to sanitize it.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadImmortalMan on March 16, 2010, 11:10:10 AM
One of the main foci for my fun-investing has been with companies that build/lease cell tower infrastructure.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on March 16, 2010, 11:17:14 AM
Quote from: derspiess on March 16, 2010, 09:03:17 AM
Apple's hatred of user-removable batteries is puzzling.  You better not have any sensitive information on your iPad at any time, lest the battery go dead & you have to send it into Apple without being able to sanitize it.

Not so puzzling.  A replacable unit makes it much bulkier.

And even if your battery goes dead you can still plug it in, do what you want to do to wipe it, then send it in.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on March 16, 2010, 12:26:11 PM
Also, sounds lame that you can only have one application open at once.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on March 16, 2010, 12:31:30 PM
Thinking about getting a Mini instead of the Imac, as my finances are not as robust as I'd hoped. :( It'll do what I need, it's just not quite as flashy.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on March 16, 2010, 12:34:23 PM
Quote from: garbon on March 16, 2010, 12:26:11 PM
Also, sounds lame that you can only have one application open at once.

Not exactly.  You can have more than one Apple application going at once.  You can listen to your music from iTunes while you surf the web on Safari, for example.

Many rumors that iPhone OS 4.0 will have more multitasking.  People who have 'jailbroken' their iPhones have created multitasking apps, so there's nothing that physically prevents it.  It's more a design / battery life decision that Apple made.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on March 16, 2010, 12:40:31 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 16, 2010, 12:34:23 PM
Not exactly.  You can have more than one Apple application going at once.  You can listen to your music from iTunes while you surf the web on Safari, for example.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/01/28/wired.missing.from.ipad/

QuoteMultitasking

From the demonstrations at the Jobsnote, it appears that, like the iPhone, we can't run applications in the background. This will annoy many, but it will not matter at all to the target user, who will be using the iPad to browse and consume media. In fact, this user will benefit, as the lack of CPU-cycle-sucking background processes is likely a large part of that ten-hour battery life.

If you are authoring content, like this post, then multiple browser windows, a text editor, a mail client and a photo editor all make sense. If you're reading an ebook, not so much.

What's the point of the iPad if it is just a large format iPhone?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on March 16, 2010, 01:05:26 PM
Quote from: garbon on March 16, 2010, 12:40:31 PM
What's the point of the iPad if it is just a large format iPhone?

Well the size of it opens several new (or different) ways you'd interact with the device.  I wouldn't want to watch a movie on an iPhone, but it becomes possible on an iPad.  Web browsing becomes much simpler, as you don't have to pinch/zoom in order to see anything.  Reading ebooks becomes much more likely.

Of course the large size makes other tasks unlikely.  You can't really stick it in your pocket, so a lot of the ultra-mobile or GPS type applications wouldn't make as much sense.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on March 16, 2010, 02:30:01 PM
I realize I'm not the target audience, but $400 for that seems a bit steep.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on March 16, 2010, 02:34:39 PM
Re: watching movies, Apple screwed the pooch by not making the screen 16:9.  You're going to have a lot of wasted space watching movies on a 4:3 screen.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on March 16, 2010, 03:33:26 PM
Quote from: garbon on March 16, 2010, 02:30:01 PM
I realize I'm not the target audience, but $400 for that seems a bit steep.

Can you get something with that size screen and 10 hours batterly life for anywhere near the same price?

It's the typical Apple pricing debate.  You may not think an iPad is worth it to you.  But based on the specs I can't see how it isn't a fair price for what you get.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on March 16, 2010, 03:35:13 PM
$400 for something with such little utility? That's overpriced in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on March 16, 2010, 03:37:18 PM
Quote from: garbon on March 16, 2010, 03:35:13 PM
$400 for something with such little utility? That's overpriced in my opinion.

It's a rather poor way of analyzing a cost.

You could argue that a BMW is grossly overpriced because you can get the same utility from a Hyundai.  That ignroes the fact that there are significant differences between the Hyundai and the BMW that can justify the higher price.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on March 16, 2010, 03:38:52 PM
Except that an iPad has fewer features than a typical laptop or netbook.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on March 16, 2010, 04:29:54 PM
For someone with a very specific set of 'needs' and/or just has to have it because of the logo, the iPad might be worth it.  But for myself and I would think a majority of the tech market, it's tough to see the value proposition.  At those price points ($499 to $850), the device falls way short of what a netbook or laptop can do. 

That goes for tablet-type devices in general, but even if you decide a tablet is worth your money, how can you logically choose an iPad over something like the Archos 9, which for $550 gives you: a full OS (Win7), your choice of web browser with (gasp) Flash support, expandable storage, USB, 1080p video, 16x9 aspect ratio, etc., etc.

https://store.archos.com/product_info.php?language=en

The market will decide, of course, but I think this is going to end up a "hobby" product like the AppleTV rather than a game-changer like the iPhone was.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on March 16, 2010, 06:08:22 PM
Archos 9 - you do note it has half the battery life, right?  and 9.7" vs 8.9"  And for the same price?

Have trouble caring about the choice of web browser, a "full OS" (you're not going to be running 'full' aps on it anyways, 16x9, or 1080p output (why would you output video from it anyways)?

The one potential killer is Flash.  I thought about buying my wife an iPad, as I think it would be great for what she uses a laptop for (and she hates our current Dell).  The one potential issue is she sometimes likes playing Flash games.

So the question is - does something like the Archos get acceptable Flash performance?  Supposedly the reason (or one of the reasons) Apple hasn't introduced Flash onto iPhone/iPad is not because it's impossible, but because it gives shitty results with crappy battery life.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on March 16, 2010, 07:03:05 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 16, 2010, 06:08:22 PM
Archos 9 - you do note it has half the battery life, right?

Yeah.  Wouldn't be a deal killer for me, though.  It's not like I'd be out walking around for 9 hours with one of these things.  For me it would be a living room device, and I wouldn't mind having to plug it in from time to time.

Quoteand 9.7" vs 8.9"  And for the same price?

Wow, a whole .8" difference.  I'd give up that .8" to have a sleeker 16x9 device that doesn't have the iPad's thick bezel.  Doing the math in my head, btw, most widescreen movies would end up the same size or bigger on the Archos.

QuoteHave trouble caring about the choice of web browser

Point is, you're not stuck with a smartphone browser.  You can run whatever browser you want, with plugins & whatnot.  Hell, you could even run the real Safari browser :D

Quotea "full OS" (you're not going to be running 'full' aps on it anyways

You'll have to pick & choose, but you could absolutely run full apps-- pretty much whatever you would run on a netbook.

Quote16x9

Fine, but you did mention movies earlier, and aspect ratio is a factor.

Quote, or 1080p output (why would you output video from it anyways)?

Probably not something you'd use every day, but I think it's a cool feature if you're at a friend's house or hotel where there is an HDTV and you want to watch a movie.

The one potential killer is Flash.  I thought about buying my wife an iPad, as I think it would be great for what she uses a laptop for (and she hates our current Dell).  The one potential issue is she sometimes likes playing Flash games.

So the question is - does something like the Archos get acceptable Flash performance?  Supposedly the reason (or one of the reasons) Apple hasn't introduced Flash onto iPhone/iPad is not because it's impossible, but because it gives shitty results with crappy battery life.
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Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Valdemar on March 17, 2010, 05:02:43 AM
Quote from: Barrister on March 16, 2010, 12:34:23 PM
  It's more a design / battery life decision that Apple made.

I'm sorry, but that is an extremely easy excuse, and one used soo much in various forms its almost ridiculous.

"Ofc we knew the customers wanted XX and of COURSE we can handle XX, we just CHOSE not to..."

WAD my ...

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Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadImmortalMan on March 17, 2010, 10:18:08 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 16, 2010, 03:37:18 PM
Quote from: garbon on March 16, 2010, 03:35:13 PM
$400 for something with such little utility? That's overpriced in my opinion.

It's a rather poor way of analyzing a cost.

You could argue that a BMW is grossly overpriced because you can get the same utility from a Hyundai.  That ignroes the fact that there are significant differences between the Hyundai and the BMW that can justify the higher price.

An Apple is not a BMW. It's a Hyundai with glitter on it.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Zanza on March 22, 2010, 02:06:36 AM
Quote from: Barrister on March 16, 2010, 03:37:18 PMYou could argue that a BMW is grossly overpriced because you can get the same utility from a Hyundai.  That ignroes the fact that there are significant differences between the Hyundai and the BMW that can justify the higher price.
The right choice would of course be a Mercedes. :P
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Iormlund on March 22, 2010, 02:33:05 AM
It's a funny example, because precisely much of what you pay for when you get a German premium car is the badge. Just like it happens with Apple. Simply take a look at what a Series 1 (or a Mercedes equivalent) costs and what equipment you could get with the same money in an i30. Only a moron will get the "premium" car.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Valdemar on March 22, 2010, 04:53:53 AM
And now, apparently there is an Android based competitor to the Ipad, USB, multitasking, Flash all included:

http://www.neofonie.de/pdf/neofonie_Factsheet_WePad_english.pdf

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Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Caliga on March 22, 2010, 05:25:02 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on March 16, 2010, 11:10:10 AM
One of the main foci for my fun-investing has been with companies that build/lease cell tower infrastructure.
Interesting.  That's what my brother does for a living.  :cool:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on March 22, 2010, 11:38:49 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on March 22, 2010, 02:33:05 AM
It's a funny example, because precisely much of what you pay for when you get a German premium car is the badge. Just like it happens with Apple. Simply take a look at what a Series 1 (or a Mercedes equivalent) costs and what equipment you could get with the same money in an i30. Only a moron will get the "premium" car.

Do they sell really low quality BMWs/totally pimped out Hyundais there or something?  Because here, you can't get 1 Series type stuff in an Elantra no matter how much you want to fork over.  Hyundai does make the Genesis sedan, which is loaded with all kinds of goodies, but those carry a much heftier price tag (IIRC their starting prices are right around what the BMW 3 series starts at, so it comes down to what kind of car you want).

But yeah, you can get the same shit in a "PC" that you can in an Apple.

Edit:  They also seem to make a high end SUV.  I was playing around on their Build Your Own Vehicle thing, and ended up with a ~$40,000 SUV and ~$44,000 car.  Hyundai is a whole helluva lot different now vs. when I was growing up.   :lol:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on March 23, 2010, 07:38:55 AM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 22, 2010, 11:38:49 PM
Do they sell really low quality BMWs/totally pimped out Hyundais there or something?  Because here, you can't get 1 Series type stuff in an Elantra no matter how much you want to fork over.  Hyundai does make the Genesis sedan, which is loaded with all kinds of goodies, but those carry a much heftier price tag (IIRC their starting prices are right around what the BMW 3 series starts at, so it comes down to what kind of car you want).

But yeah, you can get the same shit in a "PC" that you can in an Apple.

Edit:  They also seem to make a high end SUV.  I was playing around on their Build Your Own Vehicle thing, and ended up with a ~$40,000 SUV and ~$44,000 car.  Hyundai is a whole helluva lot different now vs. when I was growing up.   :lol:

The Genesis is a 7 Series equivalent, though, which makes the price about half of the comparable BMW.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on March 23, 2010, 11:05:23 AM
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on March 23, 2010, 07:38:55 AM
The Genesis is a 7 Series equivalent, though, which makes the price about half of the comparable BMW.

The physical size is the only thing that makes it comparable to a 7 (it's between a 5 and 7 IIRC).  The Genesis, while nice, shouldn't even be on the radar of someone who is looking at 7s, S class, Panameras, etc.  It's just a totally different class.  Instead, the Genesis goes directly after people who would buy "loaded" Maximas, Avalons, 300s, etc, in addition to being in the same price range as the 3, A4, C class,  G37, etc, to maybe snag someone from those types too.

Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on March 23, 2010, 12:27:30 PM
Hey does anyone have any issues with their iPhone not charging (doesn't make that charging sound and go to the green battery screen) when you plug it in?  Happens with different cords and different connections (computer and wall).  Occasionally, it will just take a while to...uh....register that it's plugged in or something, and will start charging after a few minutes of being plugged in, but other times, like last night, it seems, it will disconnect itself and drain the battery (and other times, it will just start charging without a hitch).  The goddamn thing also likes to disconnect from the PC while syncing.  <_<

Probably need a new phone.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on March 23, 2010, 12:29:44 PM
The iPod has that issue...
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on March 23, 2010, 12:33:01 PM
How old is your iPhone MBM?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on March 23, 2010, 01:32:08 PM
Quote from: garbonThe iPod has that issue...

The Touch uses the same OS as the iPhone, I think, so maybe the problem is with that.

Quote from: Barrister on March 23, 2010, 12:33:01 PM
How old is your iPhone MBM?

Less than a year, so it's still covered by the warranty.  I was just hoping there was some sort of fix that didn't require me going to the terrible Apple Store.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on March 23, 2010, 01:41:45 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 23, 2010, 01:32:08 PM
Less than a year, so it's still covered by the warranty.  I was just hoping there was some sort of fix that didn't require me going to the terrible Apple Store.

Not that I'm aware of.  Sorry.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on March 23, 2010, 01:55:51 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 23, 2010, 01:41:45 PM
Not that I'm aware of.  Sorry.

Ah well.  I guess I'll head up there on Friday and shove my way through the crowds of sweaty hipsters hanging out in front of the Genuis bar. :mellow:

Hey at least I can maybe get a new phone out of it.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on March 24, 2010, 01:14:45 AM
I was among the sweaty hipsters today. Bought my new mac mini after finally getting my cheque for my freelance gig. The hipster dude who sold it to me tried to sell me on some other upsell genius bar one to one stuff.. I was like what's your guy want to learn? Like they are going to teach me how to use software. Bitch please. I've been editing photos and videos since  photoshop 2.5 premiere 2.5.

There are issues of course. I've never had a smooth computer transition ever. Just the kind of luck I have. That or I'm a cheap bastard. My way old monitor has a nine pin vga plug. the dvi cable that comes with the mini is 15. I had another one that was nine pin, i used to connect the old now zombified imac to my tv... but alas they've changed the end of the dvi into the mac so you can't use any old cables. :angry:  So tomorrow I either have to trudge downtown and buy an adapter that fits or a new monitor. :sigh:

It's really annoying looking at text on my tv. I can watch a blu ray in full 1080p but does the font smoothing look any good (using my dvi to hdmi cable I never thought I'd use.) ? Nope.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on March 24, 2010, 01:47:31 AM
You bought a mac mini?

I'm jealous.   :blush:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on March 24, 2010, 08:15:16 AM
I wish he had punched one of those hipsters in the nuts.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on March 24, 2010, 09:56:54 AM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on March 24, 2010, 01:14:45 AM
It's really annoying looking at text on my tv. I can watch a blu ray in full 1080p but does the font smoothing look any good (using my dvi to hdmi cable I never thought I'd use.) ? Nope.

I really thought that with the arrival of HDTVs, we would see PCs playing nice with them.   But I had all sorts of issues getting 3 different PCs to output correctly to my TV (though mine is fairly 'old' so that may be a factor). 

Though I guess it beats the shit out of trying to output 640x480 via S-Video to a CRT TV like I attempted to do back in the day :D
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on March 24, 2010, 11:53:09 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 24, 2010, 08:15:16 AM
I wish he had punched one of those hipsters in the nuts.

Oh I came close. if "Raul" hadn't stopped trying to upsell (with his ghey applespeak ) me when he did, he may have gotten a knee to the groin he wasn't expecting.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on April 02, 2010, 10:04:29 AM
So...   who's getting an iPad?

I have to say the Netflix & Hulu apps do help give it more of a purpose, though again, those are things you can already do with a netbook.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on April 02, 2010, 11:39:48 AM
I'm strongly tempted (to buy one for my wife :goodboy:) but they aren't on sale in Canada yet. :(
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on April 02, 2010, 11:42:33 AM
Apple-hater that I am, no way in hell am I touching one.

Trekkie that I am, mock up an LCARS interface so that I can use it as a PADD, and I'll be elbowing my way to the front of the line.

Seriously, if Apple ever reigns in their goddamn extreme prices (not likely in the foreseeable future), I'll want one to play with.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on April 02, 2010, 12:36:45 PM
Holy crap, the 64gb wifi only versions are (pre-)selling for $1000 on ebay.  I should have reserved a bunch.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on April 02, 2010, 03:43:24 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 02, 2010, 10:04:29 AM
So...   who's getting an iPad?

I have to say the Netflix & Hulu apps do help give it more of a purpose, though again, those are things you can already do with a netbook.

I'll get one of the many knock-offs coming within the next 6 months.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on April 02, 2010, 04:36:53 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 02, 2010, 03:43:24 PM
I'll get one of the many knock-offs coming within the next 6 months.

Some of the knockoffs are already showing up.  There's one from China that has like an 8 or 9 inch screen plus the classic ipod scroll wheel :lol:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on April 02, 2010, 05:10:59 PM
So the "genius" fucked with my phone and gave it back to me after announcing it was all fixed.  The only thing different is the battery life totally blows now.  <_<  Thanks buddy.

Edit:  I should mention this was actually something he "fixed."  The dude plugged it into his laptop there and said "Whoa, this is saying 18 hour battery life!  We need to fix that!" 

And so he did. 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on April 02, 2010, 06:12:42 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 02, 2010, 04:36:53 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 02, 2010, 03:43:24 PM
I'll get one of the many knock-offs coming within the next 6 months.

Some of the knockoffs are already showing up.  There's one from China that has like an 8 or 9 inch screen plus the classic ipod scroll wheel :lol:

http://micgadget.com/1480/apple-ipad-knockoff/

149 bucks? Sold.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on April 03, 2010, 02:09:41 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 02, 2010, 06:12:42 PM
http://micgadget.com/1480/apple-ipad-knockoff/

149 bucks? Sold.

Shit, yeah.  With Android & a 7 inch screen, I'd take two.  Too bad most of the "KIRFs" never make it across the ocean. 

Here is the one I had seen: http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/27/keepin-it-real-fake-new-ipad-is-the-jumbo-ipod-you-always-wa/
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Syt on April 03, 2010, 02:16:39 AM
Wasn't Archos already selling tablet PCs with Windows operating system and touchscreen before the iPad/TamPod was announced?

Edit:
http://www.archos.com/products/nb/archos_9/index.html?country=gb&lang=en

460 GBP, though. Their internet tablets are cheaper (and much smaller).
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Valdemar on April 03, 2010, 10:30:29 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on March 22, 2010, 04:53:53 AM
And now, apparently there is an Android based competitor to the Ipad, USB, multitasking, Flash all included:

http://www.neofonie.de/pdf/neofonie_Factsheet_WePad_english.pdf

V

I'll repost this, Android based, Ipad look alike

V
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on April 06, 2010, 10:42:55 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on April 03, 2010, 10:30:29 AM
I'll repost this, Android based, Ipad look alike

V

Nice looking device, but they have to change that horrible name.  Has the price been announced yet?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on April 06, 2010, 10:48:10 AM
Quote from: Syt on April 03, 2010, 02:16:39 AM
Wasn't Archos already selling tablet PCs with Windows operating system and touchscreen before the iPad/TamPod was announced?


Not sure.  I know there have been WinXP tablet PCs/UMPCs for ages, though they were super-expensive and usually had resistive (rather than capacitive) touchscreens, meaning you had to use a stylus.

Tigerdirect had the Archos 9 for sale for $485, with 10% Bing cashback, making the total ~$436
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on April 06, 2010, 11:40:33 AM
Another tablet to throw into the mix: the HP Slate.  It will have an 8.9" screen, 1.6ghz Atom processor, 1GB of RAM, and will run Win7.  So it will basically be a netbook without the keyboard.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/05/hp-slate-to-cost-549-have-1-6ghz-atom-z530-5-hour-battery/

Not a bad device, according to its specs, but I'd still go for a netbook at about half the price.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on April 06, 2010, 12:01:27 PM
HAs anyone gotten to play with an iPad yet in person?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on April 06, 2010, 12:35:04 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 06, 2010, 12:01:27 PM
HAs anyone gotten to play with an iPad yet in person?

Yes.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on April 06, 2010, 12:43:17 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 06, 2010, 12:35:04 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 06, 2010, 12:01:27 PM
HAs anyone gotten to play with an iPad yet in person?

Yes.

What did you think?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on April 06, 2010, 12:44:48 PM
in a completely unrelated note, I actually filled my 4GB iPod Nano (the squat one).  I may finally have an excuse to get a new iPod.

Now, do I want a touch, or a new slim Nano?  Decisions, decisions...
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on April 06, 2010, 12:49:00 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 06, 2010, 12:44:48 PM
in a completely unrelated note, I actually filled my 4GB iPod Nano (the squat one).  I may finally have an excuse to get a new iPod.

Now, do I want a touch, or a new slim Nano?  Decisions, decisions...

If you got the cash, go for the touch. It is rather fun to play with.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on April 06, 2010, 03:16:48 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 06, 2010, 12:44:48 PM
What did you think?

Slick device.  Fast, no lag.  Great web-browsing experience.  Netflix & a couple other new apps are buggy & appear rushed (which should be a non-issue as they are updated).  Video looks good.  On-screen keyboard works great.

But I couldn't think of any feature or combination of features that would convince me to spend $500-$800 on it.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on April 06, 2010, 03:18:56 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 06, 2010, 12:44:48 PM
in a completely unrelated note, I actually filled my 4GB iPod Nano (the squat one).  I may finally have an excuse to get a new iPod.

Now, do I want a touch, or a new slim Nano?  Decisions, decisions...

Wait-- you don't have an iPod Touch *nor* an iPhone yet??  Hell, even I bought a Touch a couple years ago.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on April 06, 2010, 03:41:35 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 06, 2010, 03:18:56 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 06, 2010, 12:44:48 PM
in a completely unrelated note, I actually filled my 4GB iPod Nano (the squat one).  I may finally have an excuse to get a new iPod.

Now, do I want a touch, or a new slim Nano?  Decisions, decisions...

Wait-- you don't have an iPod Touch *nor* an iPhone yet??  Hell, even I bought a Touch a couple years ago.

My Apple-fanboism is a bit exagerrated on this forum.  Hell, I never owned an iPod until 2 years ago.   :blush:

Decided I'll pass on an iPhone, even though they are finally available in Yukon as of a couple months ago.  Real slick device, but the mothly fees are way too much.

A Touch has me tempted I'll admit.  But I think I will pull the pin on an iPad and give it to my wife as a Mother's Day / new baby present.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Valdemar on April 07, 2010, 03:22:20 AM
There are reports of many WiFi connectivity issues on Ipad, are they true?

V
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Caliga on April 07, 2010, 05:25:09 AM
Quote from: Barrister on April 06, 2010, 03:41:35 PM
My Apple-fanboism is a bit exagerrated on this forum.  Hell, I never owned an iPod until 2 years ago.   :blush:
:o  :Embarrass:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on April 07, 2010, 09:09:44 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on April 07, 2010, 03:22:20 AM
There are reports of many WiFi connectivity issues on Ipad, are they true?

V

The dude on MSNBC this morning was bitching about it on his show. Fine at home, but sucks when he is out.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on April 07, 2010, 09:19:46 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on April 07, 2010, 03:22:20 AM
There are reports of many WiFi connectivity issues on Ipad, are they true?

V

The one in the store had no such issues, but it was obviously quite close to the router.

Forgot to add in my mini-review that I remain convinced that a backlit LCD = crappy e-book reader.  Gotzta have the e-ink display.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on April 07, 2010, 03:20:52 PM
Is it WiFi or AirPort's crappy implementation of 802.11x?  If it's the latter, I'll wait.  S and I have had no end of problems getting AirPort on her MacBook Pro to work with the PC-based network she's got.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on April 07, 2010, 11:09:53 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on April 07, 2010, 03:20:52 PM
Is it WiFi or AirPort's crappy implementation of 802.11x?  If it's the latter, I'll wait.  S and I have had no end of problems getting AirPort on her MacBook Pro to work with the PC-based network she's got.

Apparently the problem is specific to third party dual-band routers, and the work-around is to name the networks differently but keep the same security settings.  But some have fixed the problem by turning up the screen brightness :huh:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/07/apple-confirms-ipad-issues-with-dual-band-wifi-routers-offers-f/
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on April 08, 2010, 12:32:34 PM
The only iPad connectivity problem I've read about is that it isn't great at switching between networksm even when one goes faint i.e. it isn't great if you're really moving around while using it.

New iPhone OS 4.0 being announced.  They mentioned already sold 450k iPads.  New feature for 4.0?  Multitasking.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on April 08, 2010, 01:24:01 PM
Mostof the features revolve around multitasking - ability to stream audio in the background, download in the background, suspend/resume apps, VOIP in the background.  I'm sure someone will come in to say this still isn't "true" multitasking, but it sounds like it does everything you'd want it to.

Comes in the summer for iPhone, fall for iPad (I wonder why the difference).

Sounds like it will be great for iPad, wonder how much demand there really is for multitasking for iPhone.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on April 09, 2010, 04:26:12 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 08, 2010, 01:24:01 PM
Mostof the features revolve around multitasking - ability to stream audio in the background, download in the background, suspend/resume apps, VOIP in the background.  I'm sure someone will come in to say this still isn't "true" multitasking, but it sounds like it does everything you'd want it to.

I think that is pretty close to how Android handles multitasking.  WinMo 6.x pretty much just let everything run at full speed, sometimes slowing the phone down to a crawl until you go in & kill some tasks.

QuoteComes in the summer for iPhone, fall for iPad (I wonder why the difference).

Sounds like it will be great for iPad, wonder how much demand there really is for multitasking for iPhone.

Seems to me that demand is wide, though possibly "thin"-- i.e., it's not a deal-killer, but definitely a nice-to-have.  For example, I would imagine it's annoying to not be able to listen to Pandora while reading your email or surfing the web.

Oh, and another 4.0 feature that doesn't seem to be getting much press: more ads.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DisturbedPervert on April 09, 2010, 06:31:32 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 09, 2010, 04:26:12 PM
Oh, and another 4.0 feature that doesn't seem to be getting much press: more ads.

There are ADS when using the iphone/ipad?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on April 09, 2010, 07:50:30 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 09, 2010, 04:26:12 PMOh, and another 4.0 feature that doesn't seem to be getting much press: more ads.

More ads?  Where are they in the current version?  :huh:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on April 09, 2010, 08:44:56 PM
Well, I thought there were already some ads in apps.  In any case, get ready for the deluge of: iAds  :bleeding:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on April 09, 2010, 09:20:19 PM
As I understood the model, ads will be introduced through individual Apps, not just generically whenever you use iPhone (which yes, would probably cause me to throw the device through a window if I had to watch an ad before launching Safari).

As I understand it, it allows app developers to develop apps that are free, but supported by viewing ads.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DisturbedPervert on April 09, 2010, 11:04:28 PM
Here's an article about it.  Watching ads?  That's crazy talk.  I don't see them on my computer, I'm not gonna see them on a touch pad either.

QuoteSteve Jobs unveiled sweeping changes to the iPhone OS that powers the iPad, iPhone and iPod Touch on Thursday, including one that analysts say will bring the company hundreds of millions of dollars of revenue in advertisements within free software.

Before the announcement, Steve Jobs reportedly told advertising executives that this is Apple's "next big thing," and he could be right: Analysts say the ad platform will soon bring the company hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue yearly.

For the first time, developers can serve interactive and video ads within apps for the iPhone, iPod Touch and iPad from Apple's servers, and all they have to do to be included is provide Apple with the files.

Apple will keep 40 percent of revenue from the ads — a significant bump from the 30 percent it collects from app developers, record labels and book publishers — in return for selling the hardware, serving the ads and owning the ecosystem within which they run.

"Steve Jobs believes there will soon be around 100 million Apple devices on the market and that most of people's mobile activity will be dominated by applications, where they will spend around 30 minutes a day," said Ovum principal analyst Eden Zoller. "According to Jobs, if 10 ads were to appear on each device per day, this would make for one billion ad impressions daily."

Much of the platform is believed to be based on Quattro Wireless' mobile ad platform, which Apple purchased for $275 million about four months ago. Steve Jobs hopes to do something new with the iAd platform, he said yesterday: Combine the immersiveness of television ads with the interactivity of web ads using HTML5 code, which has multimedia capabilities that would make its ancestors blush.

As usual, this concept will spread to Android; Google has also embraced HTML5, and has been trying to purchase Quattro rival AdMob for $750 million since last year, although regulators haven't yet approved the deal. After Apple's iAd announcement, they are more likely to do so, because Google now has clear competition within the space.

Apple told Wired.com that it will still permit competing mobile ad networks to serve ads within apps on its platforms; deny them would only draw regulatory scrutiny. However, analysts predict that Apple will serve a large percentage of the advertisements running on its devices.

In addition to giving Apple yet another way to profit from its popular devices, iAd borrows a page from Tom Sawyer's playbook: getting third parties to enhance its platform for free, and even better, charging them for the right to do so. Likewise, Sawyer notoriously convinced his friends to paint a picket fence while he stood idly by — eating an apple, of all things.

By giving app developers a way to enhance Apple's platforms without charging users, the company adds to its army of software developers, most of whom don't work for Apple in the traditional sense of the word.

All in all, analysts believe the iAd platform will be worth far more than the $275 million the company spent on Quattro Wireless.

"We believe in-application advertising could reach roughly $700 million by 2013, with about 70 percent going to ads within the iPhone platform, or $500 million," said a Piper Jaffrey analyst, according to the Wall Street Journal. "We estimate Apple could capture $380 million of this market through the iAd platform in gross ad revenues, or 77 percent market share on the iPhone platform for advertising as we expect AdMob and others to continue to compete on the iPhone platform."

These video and interactive ads will appear on devices you can carry around, so their location awareness is critical to extracting the maximum revenue from each ad served. Mobile smartphone ads have some potential for abuse in this regard, because advertisers know who you are, where you are and, often, what you're doing.

As one safeguard against privacy-invasive advertising, Apple will only allow apps that have "beneficial uses" of locational data to serve location-based ads. In other words, you'll only see ads related to a place if you're trying to do something else with that locational information.

The iAd platform, part of the iPhone OS, will allow users to watch videos, play games and even purchase products within an ad inside of an app and is expected to roll out in the next few months.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on April 09, 2010, 11:42:54 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 09, 2010, 08:44:56 PM
Well, I thought there were already some ads in apps.  In any case, get ready for the deluge of: iAds  :bleeding:

Oh, you're talking about the ads that come with some of the free apps (haven't seen any with the ones I or anyone has purchased)?  I thought you were meaning ads just....popping up...when you were  doing whatever on the phone, like surfing the web or something.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on April 10, 2010, 07:44:54 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 09, 2010, 11:42:54 PM
Oh, you're talking about the ads that come with some of the free apps (haven't seen any with the ones I or anyone has purchased)?  I thought you were meaning ads just....popping up...when you were  doing whatever on the phone, like surfing the web or something.

Yeah, that.  I'm just a little surprised that Apple fanbois are either indifferent to it, or are acting like it's a good thing, given how they ripped the Zune HD for having: ad-supported apps.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on April 14, 2010, 09:32:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9NP-AeKX40&feature=player_embedded

iMew.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on April 14, 2010, 12:39:21 PM
QuoteApple delays international launch of iPad due to high demand
By Chris Foresman | Last updated about 4 hours ago
Apple had originally planned to slowly roll out the iPad around the world beginning April 24. However, due to "surprisingly strong US demand," Apple has announced that it will delay the international launch of the iPad until late May.

According to a statement released this morning, Apple has sold over 500,000 iPads to date, and demand in its stores continues to outstrip supply in many cases. Though no specific numbers were given, the company has apparently received an unexpected number of preorders for the WiFi + 3G iPad model as well, set to begin shipping in the US by the end of April.

Apple will begin taking preorders for international customers on May 10 for delivery later in the month. Pricing will also be announced then.

"We know that many international customers waiting to buy an iPad will be disappointed by this news, but we hope they will be pleased to learn the reason—the iPad is a runaway success in the US thus far," Apple said in a statement.

No, it does not please me to know that. :angry:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DisturbedPervert on April 14, 2010, 01:16:21 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 14, 2010, 09:32:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9NP-AeKX40&feature=player_embedded

iMew.
:lol:

It does have a use after all 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on April 14, 2010, 01:44:58 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 10, 2010, 07:44:54 PM
Yeah, that.  I'm just a little surprised that Apple fanbois are either indifferent to it, or are acting like it's a good thing, given how they ripped the Zune HD for having: ad-supported apps.

Were they really ripping the Zune for that?  :rolleyes: Morons.

I occasionally find it somewhat irritating, having to tap through an extra screen to do something, but not really a big deal.  Fuck it, it's free, right?  Hopefully this new way of having the ads won't make it worse.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: citizen k on April 15, 2010, 11:50:27 PM
QuoteIsrael Cites Wi-Fi Issue in iPad Ban
Jared Newman

Don't count on bringing the iPad on any trips to the Holy Land, as Israel has blocked Apple's tablet from entering the country.

Israeli Customs is confiscating the devices upon entry, Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported. Authorities have already seized roughly 10 iPads, according to the Associated Press, and tourists who bring their iPads into the country will have to get them back when they leave. (Though, having dealt with Israeli Customs before, I have a feeling that won't be as simple as it sounds.)

The Israeli Communications Ministry blames the iPad's Wi-Fi, which supposedly uses low-powered "American standards" as opposed to the "European standards" on which Israel relies for electronics. The ministry is now working with Apple and local distributor iDigital to approve the import of iPads into the country, but even when that happens, it's not clear whether Customs agents will try to distinguish between American iPads and European ones.

Further explaining the ban in a follow-up Haaretz article, Communications Ministry director Eden Bar Tal said there weren't enough details from Apple to warn travelers sooner. iDigital had "no information," he said, and the ministry itself was scrambling to get specifications. "It's new in the United States too, and I imagine that despite Apple's delay (in shipping iPads internationally), there will soon be an iPad which meets European specifications," he said.

Bar Tal also reserved some harsh words for people who thought they had the right to bring whatever technology they wanted into the country. "People who bought the device in America can't force their needs on other people," he said. "I don't get involved in what individuals do at their own expense, but you can't only be concerned about yourself."

The iPhone finally launched officially in Israel in December 2009, more than two years after the phone debuted in America. At the time, one importer told Haaretz that the Communications Ministry again blamed lack of compliance with European standards.

Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DisturbedPervert on April 16, 2010, 12:55:57 AM
That makes no sense at all
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on April 16, 2010, 01:04:24 AM
What's a low powered standard?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Lucidor on April 16, 2010, 11:55:45 AM
Perhaps they are banning all electronic devices that aren't using a functioning WiFi technology, like cars, lawnmowers and coffee makers?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on April 19, 2010, 10:55:07 AM
Quote from: Lucidor on April 16, 2010, 11:55:45 AM
Perhaps they are banning all electronic devices that aren't using a functioning WiFi technology, like cars, lawnmowers and coffee makers?

You mean you Euros don't have wifi on those things yet??  :o
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Alatriste on April 20, 2010, 03:20:10 AM
Quote from: garbon on April 16, 2010, 01:04:24 AM
What's a low powered standard?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mains_power_around_the_world

In America you use 120 Volts, 60 Hz. Israel uses 230 Volts, 50 Hz, like Europe. Don't ask me what volts have to do with Wi-Fi, tough... like DisturbedPervert, I think it makes no sense at all.

@Derspiess
You Yanks have got it too easy. Back in my days we had to walk ten miles under the snow to get a coffee maker with Wi-Fi, uphill both ways!
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on April 20, 2010, 04:05:56 AM
Hey here's the next iPhone, revealed via publicity stunt:

http://gizmodo.com/5520438/how-apple-lost-the-next-iphone

http://gizmodo.com/5520164/this-is-apples-next-iphone

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcache-02.gawkerassets.com%2Fassets%2Fimages%2F4%2F2010%2F04%2F500x_iphone1.jpg&hash=2f8d01b857a0265a34bbb8f61f8ffbf96baaf420)

Eh.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on April 20, 2010, 09:43:23 AM
Everyone's complaining how "ugly" that phone is, but I kinda like it.  Looks more industrial.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on April 20, 2010, 11:09:29 AM
Reports suggest the iPhone may have been stolen, and Gizmodo then paid for it.  Apple is reportedly 'not amused'.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Grey Fox on April 20, 2010, 01:24:28 PM
I like the new look.

The phone was lost. Those that Gizmodo paid for it even tried to contact apple, apple didn't listen.

Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on April 21, 2010, 12:25:33 AM
I like the new look too, but I find it difficult to get even remotely excited about it when the current iPhone is the most unreliable piece of shit I've ever owned.  The fucker barely works anymore and it's less than a year old and was just "fixed" by a "genius."  My wife is on her second one, which is ~4 months old, and it's already a turd as well.  Fuck Apple.  I want a Droid phone.

Edit:  Heh.  I'm a little pissy with it today, after having to reboot it every time I wanted to surf the intertubes because of something about not being able to connect to the network blahblah.  Seriously though....between my wife and I, we've had three of them now, we've extensively "tested" the things, etc, and they're all crap.  There seems to always be something fucking up with them.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on April 21, 2010, 12:31:11 AM
Sounds like operator error problems to me.

Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on April 21, 2010, 12:32:09 AM
Quote from: katmai on April 21, 2010, 12:31:11 AM
Sounds like operator error problems to me.

I should probably throw mine around or something.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on April 21, 2010, 12:34:03 AM
I've had mine for about 11 months and nary a problem with it. Mine is a 3g not a 3gs.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on April 21, 2010, 12:43:53 AM
Quote from: katmai on April 21, 2010, 12:34:03 AM
I've had mine for about 11 months and nary a problem with it. Mine is a 3g not a 3gs.

These have all been the 3G models as well, and they're all pieces of shit.  Mine has also gone back to not wanting to charge when plugged into the wall.  It also, irritatingly enough, now resets my email account names (so they go back to being pop.gmail.com) when it syncs with the computer.

Edit:  The wife's "new" one needs to be reset every other day or so so that it will charge in her car, turn off normally, etc.  It's bizarre.  The old one was replaced because the sound just....crapped out.  There was no sound at all.  No ring, no alarms, no earpiece, etc. 

Mine likes her car charger though.  It starts charging immediately and doesn't disconnect/reconnect/disconnect at all in there, which it doesn't seem to do anywhere else.  vOv
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on April 21, 2010, 12:22:42 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 21, 2010, 12:25:33 AM
I want a Droid phone.

Assuming you're not just venting, I would hold off for a bit & get either this:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/23/htc-evo-4g-is-sprints-android-powered-knight-in-superphone-armo/

or this:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/19/droid-incredible-review/


Unless Sprint changes its mind & gimps some features, the HTC Evo will be my next phone.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on April 21, 2010, 03:55:31 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 21, 2010, 12:22:42 PM
Assuming you're not just venting

Well, I was venting, but I was also serious about the Droid phone.  Unless something drastically changes with my iPhone experience, I won't be getting another one of those when my contract is up.  Unfortunately, that's not for another year, so I'm kinda fucked in the meantime.   Both of those Droid doohickeys look pretty slick though.  HTC really makes some nice looking phones.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on April 22, 2010, 09:44:27 AM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 21, 2010, 03:55:31 PM
Well, I was venting, but I was also serious about the Droid phone.  Unless something drastically changes with my iPhone experience, I won't be getting another one of those when my contract is up. 

I'm very happy with my HTC Hero (same phone as the Droid Eris Verizon has), especially now that I'm running a modified version of the leaked Android 2.1 ROM.  HTC makes really good hardware, and their Sense UI is a nice enhancement to the Android OS.  Android's app marketplace continues to improve in both quality & quantity (I think they are over 30,000 apps now).

QuoteUnfortunately, that's not for another year, so I'm kinda fucked in the meantime.   Both of those Droid doohickeys look pretty slick though.  HTC really makes some nice looking phones.

Lots could change in a year.  Currently, things are looking up for Android, with the new phones running the 1Ghz Snapdragon processor, larger displays, etc.  But the next iPhone may be interesting, and (don't laugh) Windows Phone 7 devices will hit the market towards the end of this year.  The demos I've seen of Windows Phone 7 have been very, very slick, but given that they've gone the Apple route & made it a controlled environment I probably won't get one.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on April 22, 2010, 05:15:27 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 22, 2010, 09:44:27 AM
Lots could change in a year.  Currently, things are looking up for Android, with the new phones running the 1Ghz Snapdragon processor, larger displays, etc.  But the next iPhone may be interesting, and (don't laugh) Windows Phone 7 devices will hit the market towards the end of this year.  The demos I've seen of Windows Phone 7 have been very, very slick, but given that they've gone the Apple route & made it a controlled environment I probably won't get one.

Yeah I've liked what I've seen about that new Windows phone, and it'll definitely be one I check out.   Looks like a massive improvement over the previous WinMo OS versions.

Heh...and it might actually not be a year.  Yesterday, when my wife's phone was turning itself off instead of answering an incoming call ( :rolleyes: at least it was something new, and it only did it twice, so that's good I guess), she suggested for the first time that maybe we should just cancel our AT&T subscription early, eat the penalty, and go to Sprint.  I don't really mind AT&T, it's the phone itself, but unfortunately I don't think they have Droid phones.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on April 23, 2010, 09:23:55 AM
AT&T does have one Android phone-- the Motorola Backflip.  For some bizarre reason, however, they replaced the default Google apps/search on the phone with: Yahoo :huh:  And given AT&T's relative lack of commitment to the Android platform, I wouldn't expect that phone to be updated faithfully.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on April 23, 2010, 01:37:33 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 23, 2010, 09:23:55 AM
For some bizarre reason, however, they replaced the default Google apps/search on the phone with: Yahoo :huh:

AT&T has a marketing deal with Yahoo.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on April 23, 2010, 01:57:07 PM
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on April 23, 2010, 01:37:33 PM
AT&T has a marketing deal with Yahoo.

I know, but it's still bizarre when you're accustomed to thinking of Android & Google being intertwined.  Plus it makes the phone less attractive IMO.  The Google brand carries a lot more weight these days than Yahoo.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on April 29, 2010, 11:14:57 AM
Steve Jobs write a long open letter about why Flash is the devil's tool.

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Grey Fox on April 29, 2010, 11:22:31 AM
Short version : I don't own it therefore I hate it.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on April 29, 2010, 11:28:30 AM
And boy, does he go on about it.  It would be nice if he could be up front & honest and say they don't want to allow flash because it would mean less $$ they skim from app sales.

All Jobsie would need to do is set an option deep within the settings (so deep that casual, non-tech savvy customers would not find it) to enable or disable flash, with the default set to 'disable'.  Then he would still get to effectively control the experience for a majority of the users, but give other users the <gasp> choice to use flash and incur whatever hit there would be to battery life & whatnot.

His remark about Flash being outdated & belonging to the "PC era" is complete horseshit. 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on April 29, 2010, 11:39:08 AM
Quote from: derspiess on April 29, 2010, 11:28:30 AM
And boy, does he go on about it.  It would be nice if he could be up front & honest and say they don't want to allow flash because it would mean less $$ they skim from app sales.

All Jobsie would need to do is set an option deep within the settings (so deep that casual, non-tech savvy customers would not find it) to enable or disable flash, with the default set to 'disable'.  Then he would still get to effectively control the experience for a majority of the users, but give other users the <gasp> choice to use flash and incur whatever hit there would be to battery life & whatnot.

His remark about Flash being outdated & belonging to the "PC era" is complete horseshit.

I dunno - I thought he was pretty open that they didn't allow Flash because it wasn't in Apple's interests.

I don't think the choice option is really viable though - you just know that as soon as it is enabled Apple will start getting complaints about poor battery life, and "why is my iPhone crashing"?  Either something is a good idea or it is not.

There are a few disingenuous bits though - it goes on about H.264, but as I understand it it is also proprietary.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on April 29, 2010, 01:33:41 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 29, 2010, 11:39:08 AM
I dunno - I thought he was pretty open that they didn't allow Flash because it wasn't in Apple's interests.

He's never open about it being mostly a revenue decision.  He might vaguely or cryptically state that flash is not in Apple's interests, but that is always overshadowed by how horrible he thinks Flash is for performance, etc.

QuoteI don't think the choice option is really viable though - you just know that as soon as it is enabled Apple will start getting complaints about poor battery life, and "why is my iPhone crashing"?  Either something is a good idea or it is not.

And support for those complaints can be to simply tell the user to go back & disable Flash.  But make the option hard to find in the first place & generally only your advanced users (i.e., a small percentage) are going to use it in the first place. 

That's assuming Flash would cause all the issues Jobsie claims, which is especially doubtful on the iPad & new iPhone (assuming it uses the same or some variation of the excellent A4 processor the iPad uses). 

Between these "thoughts", the decision to screw over developers who want to use non-proprietary Apple tools, and bizarre comments like "If you want porn, get an Android phone", I do wonder if Steve Jobs has finally jumped the shark.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DisturbedPervert on April 30, 2010, 11:28:54 AM
Quote from: derspiess on April 29, 2010, 01:33:41 PM
He's never open about it being mostly a revenue decision.  He might vaguely or cryptically state that flash is not in Apple's interests, but that is always overshadowed by how horrible he thinks Flash is for performance, etc.

From an article I read the other day flash will soon be as fast, or almost as so, on Apple as on the PC.  The problem before was they didn't have proper access to make it so.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on March 06, 2011, 11:24:37 AM
In news that Beeb will like, I'll likely get an iPad 2 as I'm going to try to move somewhat away from using traditional computers.

Dammit.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on March 06, 2011, 11:47:14 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 06, 2011, 11:24:37 AM
In news that Beeb will like, I'll likely get an iPad 2 as I'm going to try to move somewhat away from using traditional computers.

Dammit.

You'd think I'd like that news, but Apple specifically told me I don't get a commission on any languish sales.

They also told me to stay 10km from Cupertino, California at all times, but that's a different matter. <_<
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on March 06, 2011, 12:04:50 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 06, 2011, 11:47:14 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 06, 2011, 11:24:37 AM
In news that Beeb will like, I'll likely get an iPad 2 as I'm going to try to move somewhat away from using traditional computers.

Dammit.

You'd think I'd like that news, but Apple specifically told me I don't get a commission on any languish sales.

They also told me to stay 10km from Cupertino, California at all times, but that's a different matter. <_<

Steve does need the cash for a new liver.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on March 06, 2011, 12:32:38 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 06, 2011, 12:04:50 PM
Steve does need the cash for a new liver.

Dammit, the way this thread has gone, there's only one thing I can possibly contribute:

ELIAN!!!
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on March 06, 2011, 04:07:31 PM
iTunes died on me today, claiming my computer lacks memory and therefor is unable to save the library. A message about this pops up every 2 seconds.

Winamp is the future!
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on March 06, 2011, 06:05:02 PM
Maybe you're just out of memory?

Wife had a similar warning - turns out harddrive was completely full.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on March 06, 2011, 07:13:13 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 06, 2011, 06:05:02 PM
Maybe you're just out of memory?

Wife had a similar warning - turns out harddrive was completely full.

About 300gb left, so can't be that. But I found out how to transfer files to the iphone without itunes so Apple software is dead to me now.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: ulmont on March 07, 2011, 02:18:44 PM
QuoteHungary's new constitution is being drafted on Apple Inc. (AAPL)'s iPad, Jozsef Szajer, a ruling party lawmaker in the European Parliament, said in a blog post.

Steve Jobs will surely be happy when he gets word that Hungary's new constitution is being written on an iPad, actually my iPad," Szajer said in a post, adding that it was the first constitution in the world to be written on the device. "The best is I don't have to wait for minutes to turn it on, like with a normal laptop. I can open it anywhere and can take advantage of every minute. It's a miracle!"
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-04/hungary-first-to-write-a-constitution-on-ipad-lawmaker-says.html
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on March 07, 2011, 02:21:00 PM
I did see an iPad used in court the other day.  It did seem like it would be a much slicker way to bring electronic notes with you - rather than carry 100s of pages, and rather than have a big laptop with a screen blocking you, a nice inobtrusive iPad holds all of your notes.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on March 07, 2011, 10:52:12 PM
Quote from: ulmont on March 07, 2011, 02:18:44 PM
QuoteHungary's new constitution is being drafted on Apple Inc. (AAPL)'s iPad, Jozsef Szajer, a ruling party lawmaker in the European Parliament, said in a blog post.

Steve Jobs will surely be happy when he gets word that Hungary's new constitution is being written on an iPad, actually my iPad," Szajer said in a post, adding that it was the first constitution in the world to be written on the device. "The best is I don't have to wait for minutes to turn it on, like with a normal laptop. I can open it anywhere and can take advantage of every minute. It's a miracle!"
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-04/hungary-first-to-write-a-constitution-on-ipad-lawmaker-says.html

LOL can you charge the battery using: beets?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on March 08, 2011, 06:43:12 PM
Can anyone recommend software that can convert .avi files to something compatible with an iphone?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Tonitrus on March 08, 2011, 08:01:17 PM
Quote from: Liep on March 08, 2011, 06:43:12 PM
Can anyone recommend software that can convert .avi files to something compatible with an iphone?

http://download.cnet.com/Hamster-Free-Video-Converter/3000-2194_4-75218449.html
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on March 14, 2011, 10:18:35 AM
Upgraded to 4.3 and now it can't get a signal from my carrier. It just constantly sits there at zero bars, mocking me.

I'm buying an Andriod phone, anyone wants to purchase a hardly used iPhone 4?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on March 16, 2011, 04:38:43 PM
The Zune is dead.

http://www.businessinsider.com/zune-2011-3

:pope:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on March 16, 2011, 08:02:11 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 16, 2011, 04:38:43 PM
The Zune is dead.

http://www.businessinsider.com/zune-2011-3

:pope:

...long live the Zune.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/15/microsoft-says-zune-isnt-exactly-dead-that-it-doesnt-want-to/

The Zune will live on in Windows Phone 7.  It's likely that Microsoft will make or license a non-phone WP7 device, a la iPod Touch.  Whether or not it will be called "Zune", that's essentially what it will be.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on March 16, 2011, 10:33:28 PM
The Zune software blows iTunes away.

Edit:
QuoteI'm buying an Andriod phone, anyone wants to purchase a hardly used iPhone 4

I might be interested if you're serious.  My wife dropped her ~35 day old Samsung Focus and cracked the screen (super unlucky: the screen went straight down onto a rock, boom no more phone), so she's looking at options that are less expensive than paying full price for a new one ($4 or 500).  We're going to buy a new screen and see if we can fix it on our own, but if that doesn't work....
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on March 19, 2011, 03:32:55 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 16, 2011, 10:33:28 PM
QuoteI'm buying an Andriod phone, anyone wants to purchase a hardly used iPhone 4

I might be interested if you're serious.  My wife dropped her ~35 day old Samsung Focus and cracked the screen (super unlucky: the screen went straight down onto a rock, boom no more phone), so she's looking at options that are less expensive than paying full price for a new one ($4 or 500).  We're going to buy a new screen and see if we can fix it on our own, but if that doesn't work....
I was, I sold it to my mother. :P
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on March 21, 2011, 11:01:00 AM
Quote from: Liep on March 19, 2011, 03:32:55 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 16, 2011, 10:33:28 PM
QuoteI'm buying an Andriod phone, anyone wants to purchase a hardly used iPhone 4

I might be interested if you're serious.  My wife dropped her ~35 day old Samsung Focus and cracked the screen (super unlucky: the screen went straight down onto a rock, boom no more phone), so she's looking at options that are less expensive than paying full price for a new one ($4 or 500).  We're going to buy a new screen and see if we can fix it on our own, but if that doesn't work....
I was, I sold it to my mother. :P

What Android phone did you end up getting?

MBM: I wouldn't waste a whole lot of time looking for an affordable used iPhone 4.  Resale value on all iPhones is very high.  A buddy of mine sold his 3GS for ~$350 on ebay.  Your wife's experience is precisely why I pay my $7 a month for Sprint's equipment protection plan :D
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Pedrito on March 22, 2011, 06:27:46 AM
Quote from: Liep on March 06, 2011, 04:07:31 PM
iTunes died on me today, claiming my computer lacks memory and therefor is unable to save the library. A message about this pops up every 2 seconds.

Winamp is the future!
Winamp does the deed for me as well.

L.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Pedrito on March 22, 2011, 06:33:46 AM
My sisters and I bought an iPad 1st gen for my father for Christmas, he's now crossing the Digital Dad Divide and I'm getting regular emails from him about silly videos to look up on youtube.  :lol:

Now I'm expecting one day or the other he'll inadvertently send a link to some sexy pics website.

L.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadImmortalMan on March 22, 2011, 05:24:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jqqwRvgyB8

Heh
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on March 22, 2011, 05:39:02 PM
Intel's AppUp needs to take a page from Apple when designing its software.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on March 23, 2011, 09:55:21 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 22, 2011, 05:39:02 PM
Intel's AppUp needs to take a page from Apple when designing its software.

Lemme guess, you downloaded it from Best Buy so you could get Angry Birds for free for your kids?  Well anyway, that's what I did.  Weird playing it on a 22" monitor instead of a cellphone screen.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on March 24, 2011, 07:39:20 AM
Quote from: derspiess on March 23, 2011, 09:55:21 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 22, 2011, 05:39:02 PM
Intel's AppUp needs to take a page from Apple when designing its software.

Lemme guess, you downloaded it from Best Buy so you could get Angry Birds for free for your kids?  Well anyway, that's what I did.  Weird playing it on a 22" monitor instead of a cellphone screen.

:blush:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on March 24, 2011, 09:14:44 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 24, 2011, 07:39:20 AM
Quote from: derspiess on March 23, 2011, 09:55:21 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 22, 2011, 05:39:02 PM
Intel's AppUp needs to take a page from Apple when designing its software.

Lemme guess, you downloaded it from Best Buy so you could get Angry Birds for free for your kids?  Well anyway, that's what I did.  Weird playing it on a 22" monitor instead of a cellphone screen.

:blush:

Caughtya!!

I made the mistake of downloading it right before Tommy was supposed to go to bed.  He walked into the office & saw the Angry Birds icon-- cost me an extra hour or so of trying to get him to settle in.  He was fascinated to see it being played on a computer.  I just want him to stop grabbing my phone to play it every time I turn my head.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on March 24, 2011, 09:35:49 AM
I have to play levels twice, both for Katerina and Cassandra. Oh no, there is no going on until each has beaten each level.

:weep:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on March 24, 2011, 10:51:14 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 24, 2011, 09:35:49 AM
I have to play levels twice, both for Katerina and Cassandra. Oh no, there is no going on until each has beaten each level.

:weep:

:lol: Tommy insists he can do each level himself, but after 2 tries he asks me to do it for him.  Immediately.  Regardless of whether I'm on a phone call, trying to get some work done, doing dishes, etc.

And he laughs hysterically every time he sees the pig with the mustache :huh:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on March 24, 2011, 03:07:26 PM
I just purchased 2 iPads on apple.com. :weep:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on March 24, 2011, 03:19:56 PM
Quote from: garbon on March 24, 2011, 03:07:26 PM
I just purchased 2 iPads on apple.com.

:yeah: :yeah:

Why two?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on March 24, 2011, 03:20:49 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 24, 2011, 03:19:56 PM
Quote from: garbon on March 24, 2011, 03:07:26 PM
I just purchased 2 iPads on apple.com.

:yeah: :yeah:

Why two?

Because I have an employee discount, I purchased them for my mother to give to my sister and aunt. :P
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on March 24, 2011, 03:25:21 PM
Please oh please of please let this be true:

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/03/mac-os-x-may-natively-support-pc-radeon-graphics-cards.ars
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on March 24, 2011, 07:40:33 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 24, 2011, 03:25:21 PM
Please oh please of please let this be true:

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/03/mac-os-x-may-natively-support-pc-radeon-graphics-cards.ars


Hackintosh with a Radeon HD 6970! :w00t:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on March 25, 2011, 03:35:44 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on March 24, 2011, 07:40:33 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 24, 2011, 03:25:21 PM
Please oh please of please let this be true:

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/03/mac-os-x-may-natively-support-pc-radeon-graphics-cards.ars


Hackintosh with a Radeon HD 6970! :w00t:

Forget Hackintosh - what about being able to buy a Radeon card at any old PC supplier and slap it in my Mac Pro.   :cool:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on March 26, 2011, 11:26:15 AM
Quote from: Barrister on March 25, 2011, 03:35:44 PM
Forget Hackintosh - what about being able to buy a Radeon card at any old PC supplier and slap it in my Mac Pro.   :cool:

Does Mac support AMD processors, then?  Since AMD took over ATI, they've gotten even worse at playing nice with Intel-based chipsets...

The rule of thumb is use nVidia for an Intel-based system, and use ATI for an AMD-based system.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on April 01, 2011, 05:27:13 PM
lol... Medvedev and his iPad:

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blogcdn.com%2Fwww.engadget.com%2Fmedia%2F2011%2F04%2F11x04012106n48fd.jpg&hash=9de8f631c87914a01184714a4ce4243b8b083979)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on April 01, 2011, 07:42:04 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on March 26, 2011, 11:26:15 AM
Quote from: Barrister on March 25, 2011, 03:35:44 PM
Forget Hackintosh - what about being able to buy a Radeon card at any old PC supplier and slap it in my Mac Pro.   :cool:

Does Mac support AMD processors, then?  Since AMD took over ATI, they've gotten even worse at playing nice with Intel-based chipsets...

The rule of thumb is use nVidia for an Intel-based system, and use ATI for an AMD-based system.

I gotta call BS on this one.

Apple has now virtually moved to all-Radeon across it's line, yet remains Intel-only on the processor side.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Martinus on April 02, 2011, 02:07:58 AM
Quote from: derspiess on April 01, 2011, 05:27:13 PM
lol... Medvedev and his iPad:[/img]

Wrong name?  ;)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on April 04, 2011, 08:57:40 AM
Quote from: Barrister on April 01, 2011, 07:42:04 PM
I gotta call BS on this one.

Apple has now virtually moved to all-Radeon across it's line, yet remains Intel-only on the processor side.

I'd be very, very surprised if it was using stock firmware.  One can have a stock computer with a stock GPU and custom firmware.  For example, my Toshiba Satellite has a stock (AFAIK) Radeon HD 4250... except Toshiba had AMD give them a custom driver.  Net result: AMD's driver updates don't work.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on April 04, 2011, 02:34:48 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on April 04, 2011, 08:57:40 AM
Quote from: Barrister on April 01, 2011, 07:42:04 PM
I gotta call BS on this one.

Apple has now virtually moved to all-Radeon across it's line, yet remains Intel-only on the processor side.

I'd be very, very surprised if it was using stock firmware.  One can have a stock computer with a stock GPU and custom firmware.  For example, my Toshiba Satellite has a stock (AFAIK) Radeon HD 4250... except Toshiba had AMD give them a custom driver.  Net result: AMD's driver updates don't work.

My Mac Pro (Intel Xeon) has a 5770 and runs the stock drivers from AMD.

The fact that one laptop had a problem does not mean Intel and Radeon can not happily co-exist.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on April 05, 2011, 05:58:45 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 04, 2011, 02:34:48 PM
My Mac Pro (Intel Xeon) has a 5770 and runs the stock drivers from AMD.

The fact that one laptop had a problem does not mean Intel and Radeon can not happily co-exist.

As in you've gone to AMD and updated the drivers from there?  In my case, it's not one laptop- several manufacturers, including Toshiba, specifically request that AMD not support their chipset and treat it as custom firmware.  As near as I can figure, the reason for this is to streamline their support services and make sure they can confirm customers aren't getting drivers from third-party sources.

I'd still be very surprised if you could run the stock firmware, but if Apple is actually gonna let you do that, more power to you and them.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on April 08, 2011, 09:05:00 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on April 05, 2011, 05:58:45 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 04, 2011, 02:34:48 PM
My Mac Pro (Intel Xeon) has a 5770 and runs the stock drivers from AMD.

The fact that one laptop had a problem does not mean Intel and Radeon can not happily co-exist.

As in you've gone to AMD and updated the drivers from there?

Yes.

I should clarify it's in Windows through Bootcamp, as the Radeon drivers for OS X are included as part of OS X.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Arvoreen on April 08, 2011, 09:18:21 AM
I've pulled the trigger and finally ordered a mac....this is for my wife (well, of course I will be playing on it)

Can't wait for it to arrive  :D

So for all you Apple people...what else do I need to know, now that I have made the plunge?  (Note: I'm very comfortable in Windows/Linux/FreeBSD/Solaris/etc....  I'm a software developer by trade...)

IMAC 27"/5750/SD
Z0JP
Custom configuration| Hide
2.93GHZ QUAD-CORE INTELCORE I7
4GB 1333MHZ DDR3 SDRAM - 2X2GB
2TB SERIAL ATA DRIVE
ATI RADEON HD 5750 1GB GDDR5
8X DOUBLE-LAYER SUPERDRIVE
APPLE MAGIC MOUSE
APPLE BATTERY CHARGER
APPLE REMOTE
WL KB & USER'S GUIDE
COUNTRY KIT,IMAC 27-INCH
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on April 08, 2011, 09:21:46 AM
:yeah:

Nice system by the way - those quad core 27" are sweet.

There's not much you "need to know".  Macs are very plug and play out of the box - no need to download a bunch of software to get them to work correctly (or to delete a bunch of crapware).

Your mileage may vary, but I prefer a standard two-button mouse to Apple mice, but I'm sure you have one of those lying around.

So just get it up and running and start playing with it.  If you have specific questions feel free to ask.  :)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadImmortalMan on April 08, 2011, 06:56:24 PM
Supposedly there is a bizarre bug with facetime in iOS 4.3 that makes the iPhone take photos on its own at random times. Forbes ran a story titled "Don't let your iPhone see you naked".
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on April 09, 2011, 11:27:28 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 08, 2011, 09:05:00 AM
Yes.

I should clarify it's in Windows through Bootcamp, as the Radeon drivers for OS X are included as part of OS X.

Belated, but cool, that makes sense now.  I'd actually forgotten about BootCamp.  Apple probably isn't really so much concerned with the smooth operation of Windows, so they'd have a lot less incentive to driverlock Macs running Windows (I don't know what kind of warranties Mac makes with respect to Windows partitions)- but you're pretty much confirming that OS X itself is driverlocked?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on April 10, 2011, 08:34:09 AM
Are you just making words up?

Google gives nothing relevant for "driverlock".
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on April 10, 2011, 09:06:18 AM
Quote from: Barrister on April 10, 2011, 08:34:09 AM
Are you just making words up?

Google gives nothing relevant for "driverlock".


Yeah.  Shorthand for saying "no generic driver available."
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadImmortalMan on April 11, 2011, 12:36:48 PM
Quote from: Arvoreen on April 08, 2011, 09:18:21 AM
I've pulled the trigger and finally ordered a mac....this is for my wife (well, of course I will be playing on it)

Can't wait for it to arrive  :D

So for all you Apple people...what else do I need to know, now that I have made the plunge?  (Note: I'm very comfortable in Windows/Linux/FreeBSD/Solaris/etc....  I'm a software developer by trade...)

IMAC 27"/5750/SD
Z0JP
Custom configuration| Hide
2.93GHZ QUAD-CORE INTELCORE I7
4GB 1333MHZ DDR3 SDRAM - 2X2GB
2TB SERIAL ATA DRIVE
ATI RADEON HD 5750 1GB GDDR5
8X DOUBLE-LAYER SUPERDRIVE
APPLE MAGIC MOUSE
APPLE BATTERY CHARGER
APPLE REMOTE
WL KB & USER'S GUIDE
COUNTRY KIT,IMAC 27-INCH

Got that same mac for one of the girls in the office that doesn't know how to use Windows. (How can you be a member of a modern workforce without those skills??) It's got a huge screen. Very pretty. I've been impressed how much nicer it plays with AD since earlier versions of OSX. Pretty cool. One OS upgrade fucked everything up though. Don't turn on auto-updates. Install them after they get proven.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on April 19, 2011, 05:50:16 PM
Free movies n' shit for your iwhatever devices:

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/crackle/id377951542?mt=8

Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: HisMajestyBOB on April 21, 2011, 10:15:25 AM
Any Apple gus use, or know someone that used www.iresq.com/ ?
I want to put a bigger hard drive in my laptop and get the keyboard fixed. It's a bit expensive here, but upgrading a HD on a laptop seems more difficult than replacing one in a tower desktop.

Looking at getting the 512GB drive to replace my 160gb one.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on April 22, 2011, 03:28:08 PM
Sigh looks like i need to scrap my PC upgrade and go for mac laptop instead.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Arvoreen on April 26, 2011, 01:44:33 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 22, 2011, 03:28:08 PM
Sigh looks like i need to scrap my PC upgrade and go for mac laptop instead.

Now what we have the iMac in the house and my wife has started using it....she is hinting around that she would love to get a mac laptop also...  I'm going to see how good I am at holding her off till next year on that... :lol:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on April 26, 2011, 04:20:21 PM
For me it would be first for work.

Alot of filming these days is now done to Compact Flash and SD cards.
This last shoot we had seven cameras of which only one wasn't data saved to cards.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Tonitrus on April 26, 2011, 07:32:48 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 26, 2011, 04:20:21 PM
For me it would be first for work.

Alot of filming these days is now done to Compact Flash and SD cards.
This last shoot we had seven cameras of which only one wasn't data saved to cards.

The new Airs take SD, but not CF.  And I'd imagine their HDDs might be on the smaller side for what you're looking for (if that matters).  Though they have USB ports for a separate CF reader.

That being said, I had gotten myself an 11" Air last Christmas, and I like it far better than the POS HP netbook I used to have.

But if you're going for a work Mac laptop, you're probably looking at needing higher-end hardware.  Maybe hold out for the newer Macbook pros that will have that new Thunder or Flash, or whatever that high-speed connection is supposed to be.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on April 26, 2011, 09:03:06 PM
Thunderbolt.  They're already out.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on April 26, 2011, 09:40:55 PM
T.

Yeah the exec prod had air which killed us from using it as only 1/3 of cameras were using SD.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Tonitrus on April 26, 2011, 10:51:28 PM
CF seems to be slowly dying away though...most of the newer DSLR cameras (which are slowly becoming movie cameras as well) seem to be going SD.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on April 26, 2011, 11:16:26 PM
i beg to differ, the 5D which is the main DSLR used for film production is a CF model, for best quality HD the SD cards don't cut it.
Also the Canon XF's also are CF cards.

We were using panasonic mini cams which native record to SD but had to use nanoflash to record to CF at the required 1080p 50 frames that BBC was requiring.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Tonitrus on April 26, 2011, 11:22:04 PM
Perhaps then, it would be more accurate to say, that SD seems to be where the cheaper, mass-consumer oriented DSLRs are going.  :P
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on April 26, 2011, 11:25:38 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on April 26, 2011, 11:22:04 PM
Perhaps then, it would be more accurate to say, that SD seems to be where the cheaper, mass-consumer oriented DSLRs are going.  :P

I won't argue with that assertion!
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on April 27, 2011, 10:40:42 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on April 26, 2011, 11:22:04 PM
Perhaps then, it would be more accurate to say, that SD seems to be where the cheaper, mass-consumer oriented DSLRs are going.  :P

:huh: Even S's new Rebel is CF.  Oh, and Kat, the good news is that the USB CF readers have gotten way, way, way more common- S managed to get hers in a 5-minute Best Buy run, and we know how much they love stocking esoteric equipment. :P
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on April 27, 2011, 10:44:28 PM
Why would i want USB over Firewire?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on April 27, 2011, 10:46:44 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 27, 2011, 10:44:28 PM
Why would i want USB over Firewire?

USB 3. :wub:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on April 27, 2011, 10:52:14 PM
Eh theoretically speeds are better but so far in practice meh, and Apple has their own new I/O which tops out at double 3.0
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on April 27, 2011, 10:54:07 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 27, 2011, 10:52:14 PM
Eh theoretically speeds are better but so far in practice meh, and Apple has their own new I/O which tops out at double 3.0

Are there any peripherals on the market yet that actually use Thunderbolt? :lol:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on April 27, 2011, 10:55:12 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 27, 2011, 10:52:14 PM
Eh theoretically speeds are better but so far in practice meh, and Apple has their own new I/O which tops out at double 3.0

Now I may have to look into that for recording purposes, since getting raw digital audio realtime is just as much of a bitch as getting raw digital video.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on April 27, 2011, 10:56:05 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 27, 2011, 10:54:07 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 27, 2011, 10:52:14 PM
Eh theoretically speeds are better but so far in practice meh, and Apple has their own new I/O which tops out at double 3.0

Are there any peripherals on the market yet that actually use Thunderbolt? :lol:

I doubt it, but my new laptop will :cool:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on April 27, 2011, 10:57:20 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on April 27, 2011, 10:55:12 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 27, 2011, 10:52:14 PM
Eh theoretically speeds are better but so far in practice meh, and Apple has their own new I/O which tops out at double 3.0

Now I may have to look into that for recording purposes, since getting raw digital audio realtime is just as much of a bitch as getting raw digital video.

Oh i know it, the audio guy and i had our workstations at night all setup in same place most nights so saw all he had to deal with, but he could get away with just SD for audio <_<
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on April 28, 2011, 10:56:02 AM
Beeb will be happy to know my ipad 2's arrived.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on April 28, 2011, 10:59:22 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 28, 2011, 10:56:02 AM
Beeb will be happy to know my ipad 2's arrived.

:yeah:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on April 28, 2011, 11:01:41 AM
But don't get too excited. The Mac faggitry will be contained. There will be no Mac computers in my house ( not counting the g3's I got for the kids. 50 bucks and the colors get their attention? One button mouse? sold!)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on April 28, 2011, 04:36:12 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 28, 2011, 11:01:41 AM
But don't get too excited. The Mac faggitry will be contained. There will be no Mac computers in my house ( not counting the g3's I got for the kids. 50 bucks and the colors get their attention? One button mouse? sold!)

Cover the Apple logo & all will be forgiven :pope:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Tonitrus on April 29, 2011, 08:00:56 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on April 27, 2011, 10:40:42 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on April 26, 2011, 11:22:04 PM
Perhaps then, it would be more accurate to say, that SD seems to be where the cheaper, mass-consumer oriented DSLRs are going.  :P

:huh: Even S's new Rebel is CF.  Oh, and Kat, the good news is that the USB CF readers have gotten way, way, way more common- S managed to get hers in a 5-minute Best Buy run, and we know how much they love stocking esoteric equipment. :P

The newest mass-consumer model, the Rebel T3i, is SD.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on May 19, 2011, 04:39:52 PM
Going to buy an iMac and this is the specs I've been looking at.

Quote27" screen
3.1GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5
8GB 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x4GB
1TB Serial ATA Drive
AMD Radeon HD 6970M 1GB GDDR5

Is it worth it to get Solid State Drive?
Also, anyone know the difference between Core i7 and i5? I suspect I'm not going to be able to tell the difference.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on May 19, 2011, 04:55:21 PM
Quote from: Liep on May 19, 2011, 04:39:52 PM
Going to buy an iMac and this is the specs I've been looking at.

Quote27" screen
3.1GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5
8GB 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x4GB
1TB Serial ATA Drive
AMD Radeon HD 6970M 1GB GDDR5

Is it worth it to get Solid State Drive?
Also, anyone know the difference between Core i7 and i5? I suspect I'm not going to be able to tell the difference.

IMO i7 is overkill for a large majority of people.  I know I wouldn't see any difference for my day-to-day use.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on May 19, 2011, 05:10:35 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 19, 2011, 04:55:21 PM
IMO i7 is overkill for a large majority of people.  I know I wouldn't see any difference for my day-to-day use.

This.  Unless you're planning on rendering films in Maya or something, you're not gonna need that kind of power under the hood.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on May 19, 2011, 05:15:13 PM
256GB SSD is about $600, seems a bit ridiculous so I'm avoiding that.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on May 19, 2011, 07:30:22 PM
Quote from: Liep on May 19, 2011, 05:15:13 PM
256GB SSD is about $600, seems a bit ridiculous so I'm avoiding that.

Yeah, full-size SSDs are still pretty ridiculous; aside from preserving battery in some computers (like the CR-46), they're usually used in dual-drive setups, with around a 64GB drive being used to speed up OS access times.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on May 19, 2011, 08:17:45 PM
And a last question, AMD Radeon HD 6970M 1GB GDDR5 or should I go with 2GB?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on May 19, 2011, 11:58:57 PM
2gb
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on May 20, 2011, 12:00:10 AM
Future proofing you mooks regarding the i7
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on May 20, 2011, 09:23:10 AM
Quote from: katmai on May 20, 2011, 12:00:10 AM
Future proofing you mooks regarding the i7

Future-proofing for when?  2030?? :P
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on May 20, 2011, 09:35:58 AM
Quote from: katmai on May 20, 2011, 12:00:10 AM
Future proofing you mooks regarding the i7

If you're not following stuff like Crysis, nowadays, that's even overkill for future-proofing.  The algorithms behind the games' structural design don't change much- they'll run full-speed in most situations; it's the rendering engines that are getting more and more sophisticated, and those are now relying almost exclusively on the GPU's built-in processors (which are higher-performance than the die on the mobo).
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: ulmont on May 20, 2011, 09:54:50 AM
Quote from: Liep on May 19, 2011, 05:15:13 PM
256GB SSD is about $600, seems a bit ridiculous so I'm avoiding that.

Also, they fail like crazy.

QuoteHe purchased eight SSDs over the last two years ... and all of them failed. The tale of the tape is frankly a little terrifying:

    Super Talent 32 GB SSD, failed after 137 days
    OCZ Vertex 1 250 GB SSD, failed after 512 days
    G.Skill 64 GB SSD, failed after 251 days
    G.Skill 64 GB SSD, failed after 276 days
    Crucial 64 GB SSD, failed after 350 days
    OCZ Agility 60 GB SSD, failed after 72 days
    Intel X25-M 80 GB SSD, failed after 15 days
    Intel X25-M 80 GB SSD, failed after 206 days
http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2011/05/the-hot-crazy-solid-state-drive-scale.html
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: viper37 on May 20, 2011, 09:56:46 AM
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/apple-religion-fanatics,12777.html

Apple and religion stimulate brain in same way.

Lol :P
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Berkut on May 24, 2011, 03:22:16 PM
I was looking at the MacBook Pro today before I stomped out of Best Buy and swore never to buy from them again.

But I realized that the main reason I will never buy a mac is the realization that however good they are, their price reflects a significant markup based on the fanaticism of a large group of irrational consumers, who will pay a premium for the logo that has no bearing on the actual value of the product.

Assuming Apple has a brain (and there is no doubt that in addition to be very good engineers, Apple understands their slavish market drones very, very well) then they are going to markup their products in order to harvest that market segment. Therefore, I have to be willing to pay that premium, even if I don't share the irrationality.

But their is no question that the absolute quality of their products overall is very high.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on May 24, 2011, 03:34:36 PM
Quote from: Berkut on May 24, 2011, 03:22:16 PM
I was looking at the MacBook Pro today before I stomped out of Best Buy and swore never to buy from them again.

But I realized that the main reason I will never buy a mac is the realization that however good they are, their price reflects a significant markup based on the fanaticism of a large group of irrational consumers, who will pay a premium for the logo that has no bearing on the actual value of the product.

Assuming Apple has a brain (and there is no doubt that in addition to be very good engineers, Apple understands their slavish market drones very, very well) then they are going to markup their products in order to harvest that market segment. Therefore, I have to be willing to pay that premium, even if I don't share the irrationality.

But their is no question that the absolute quality of their products overall is very high.

Berkut - try pricing out a laptop with identical specs to the MacBook Pro.  I predict you will find it is priced competitively.  The laptops you can find for half price or some such are skimping on some significant areas.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on May 24, 2011, 05:02:58 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 24, 2011, 03:34:36 PM
The laptops you can find for half price or some such are skimping on some significant areas.

You say the others are 'skimping'-- I say Apple is goldbricking :contract:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on May 24, 2011, 05:05:00 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 24, 2011, 05:02:58 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 24, 2011, 03:34:36 PM
The laptops you can find for half price or some such are skimping on some significant areas.

You say the others are 'skimping'-- I say Apple is goldbricking :contract:

:huh:

Not a term I'm familiar with - and google says it's a term for goofing off while working.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on May 24, 2011, 05:13:38 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 24, 2011, 05:05:00 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 24, 2011, 05:02:58 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 24, 2011, 03:34:36 PM
The laptops you can find for half price or some such are skimping on some significant areas.

You say the others are 'skimping'-- I say Apple is goldbricking :contract:

:huh:

Not a term I'm familiar with - and google says it's a term for goofing off while working.

To cheat; swindle.

A similar thought although not sure it is what he meant - selling gold bricks as the base level when standard bricks would work just as well for masonry work.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Berkut on May 24, 2011, 05:23:21 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 24, 2011, 03:34:36 PM
Quote from: Berkut on May 24, 2011, 03:22:16 PM
I was looking at the MacBook Pro today before I stomped out of Best Buy and swore never to buy from them again.

But I realized that the main reason I will never buy a mac is the realization that however good they are, their price reflects a significant markup based on the fanaticism of a large group of irrational consumers, who will pay a premium for the logo that has no bearing on the actual value of the product.

Assuming Apple has a brain (and there is no doubt that in addition to be very good engineers, Apple understands their slavish market drones very, very well) then they are going to markup their products in order to harvest that market segment. Therefore, I have to be willing to pay that premium, even if I don't share the irrationality.

But their is no question that the absolute quality of their products overall is very high.

Berkut - try pricing out a laptop with identical specs to the MacBook Pro.  I predict you will find it is priced competitively.  The laptops you can find for half price or some such are skimping on some significant areas.

So you are arguing that Apple is foolish and is not willing to charge its loyal followers what they are willing to pay for the "Apple premium"? That strikes me as rather unlikely.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on May 24, 2011, 05:32:14 PM
Quote from: Berkut on May 24, 2011, 05:23:21 PM
So you are arguing that Apple is foolish and is not willing to charge its loyal followers what they are willing to pay for the "Apple premium"? That strikes me as rather unlikely.

Are you putting words in my mouth? :unsure:

I am arguing that in order to keep prices (and margins) high Apple only manufactures high end computers, but that their computers are cost competitive (at least upon initial release) with similarily equipped computers from rival manufacturers.

Toshiba or Dell will sell you a laptop that is just as nice, and just as expensive, as any that Apple put out.  But Dell or Toshiba wil also sell you a cheaper laptop that is not as nice, whereas Apple (in order to both keep their brand image high, and to upsell users) will not sell a less nice, less expensive laptop.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on May 24, 2011, 09:30:22 PM
Working with new 17inch MacBook on job. It is fun
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on May 24, 2011, 10:13:42 PM
Quote from: katmai on May 24, 2011, 09:30:22 PM
Working with new 17inch MacBook on job. It is fun

Off-topic, but I've been wanting to ask... you work with any crews running AutoDesk Flame?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on May 24, 2011, 11:37:15 PM
No idea, would have to ask editors, I just film shit.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on May 25, 2011, 10:30:23 AM
Quote from: garbon on May 24, 2011, 05:13:38 PM
A similar thought although not sure it is what he meant - selling gold bricks as the base level when standard bricks would work just as well for masonry work.

This is actually what I meant.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on May 27, 2011, 09:39:36 AM
Quote from: Barrister on May 24, 2011, 05:32:14 PM
I am arguing that in order to keep prices (and margins) high Apple only manufactures high end computers, but that their computers are cost competitive (at least upon initial release) with similarily equipped computers from rival manufacturers.

Toshiba or Dell will sell you a laptop that is just as nice, and just as expensive, as any that Apple put out.  But Dell or Toshiba wil also sell you a cheaper laptop that is not as nice, whereas Apple (in order to both keep their brand image high, and to upsell users) will not sell a less nice, less expensive laptop.

I just priced the Dell equivalents to the 17" Macbook Pro, single-processor Mac Pro, and dual processor Mac Pro.

For identical configurations*:

17" Macbook Pro - $2499
Dell Precision M6600 - $2095

Mac Pro (UP) - $2499
Dell Precision T3500 - $1535

Mac Pro (DP) - $3499
Dell Precision T5500 - $2655

On the workstations, I can beat even Dell's prices by quite a bit building it myself.

* On the dual-processor machine, Dell does not offer the quad-core Nehalem, so the Dell is configured with 2 2.4GHz six-core Westmere-EPs, which is a configuration Apple does not offer.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on May 27, 2011, 09:47:03 AM
Wow, dual processors w/ 6 cores each?  Are they also hyperthreaded? :)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on May 27, 2011, 09:56:34 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 27, 2011, 09:47:03 AM
Wow, dual processors w/ 6 cores each?  Are they also hyperthreaded? :)

The Sandy Bridge chips are the only non-integrated chips Intel is producing right now that do not have (in some models) hardware threads.

Pricing the parts out is really giving me an itch to build a Bloomfield-based Nehalem workstation, too. :P
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on May 27, 2011, 12:24:26 PM
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on May 27, 2011, 09:39:36 AM
Quote from: Barrister on May 24, 2011, 05:32:14 PM
I am arguing that in order to keep prices (and margins) high Apple only manufactures high end computers, but that their computers are cost competitive (at least upon initial release) with similarily equipped computers from rival manufacturers.

Toshiba or Dell will sell you a laptop that is just as nice, and just as expensive, as any that Apple put out.  But Dell or Toshiba wil also sell you a cheaper laptop that is not as nice, whereas Apple (in order to both keep their brand image high, and to upsell users) will not sell a less nice, less expensive laptop.

I just priced the Dell equivalents to the 17" Macbook Pro, single-processor Mac Pro, and dual processor Mac Pro.

For identical configurations*:

17" Macbook Pro - $2499
Dell Precision M6600 - $2095

Mac Pro (UP) - $2499
Dell Precision T3500 - $1535

Mac Pro (DP) - $3499
Dell Precision T5500 - $2655

On the workstations, I can beat even Dell's prices by quite a bit building it myself.

* On the dual-processor machine, Dell does not offer the quad-core Nehalem, so the Dell is configured with 2 2.4GHz six-core Westmere-EPs, which is a configuration Apple does not offer.

We've been down this route before.  Apparently, the price doesn't match because those Nehalem processors aren't the special unicorn-infused fusion variant. ;)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on May 27, 2011, 01:51:51 PM
Actually, I think I realized why the Nehalem Mac Pro prices are out of whack.  I touched on it in the lines quoted "at least upon initial release".

Apple releases a new model or refresh every 12-18 months or so, which is slower than the rest of the industry.  And they do not cut prices, ever.  So what happens is what a unit may be price competitive when first released, but as time goes on the prices of components will drop, but not the price of the Mac.

So the Mac Pro, last refreshed summer 2010, is too expensive, and will be until the next refresh.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Berkut on May 27, 2011, 02:18:16 PM
Explaining why Apple over-prices their PCs doesn't really support your argument that Apple doesn't really overprice their PCs.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on May 27, 2011, 02:29:31 PM
Quote from: Berkut on May 27, 2011, 02:18:16 PM
Explaining why Apple over-prices their PCs doesn't really support your argument that Apple doesn't really overprice their PCs.

Well - Apple does "over price" their PCs.  Just not in the way that most people say they do (like there's some 30% apple tax and every Mac is 30% more than the comparable PC).

They are over-priced by not offering less expensive alternatvies (I'd love to buy a Mac tower that is not a Mac Pro), by not reducing prices over the life of the product, and by charging outrageous amounts for upgrades (every Mac buying guide in existence will tell you to buy the minimum RAM, then upgrade with third party memory).
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on May 27, 2011, 10:20:39 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 27, 2011, 02:29:31 PM
They are over-priced by not offering less expensive alternatvies (I'd love to buy a Mac tower that is not a Mac Pro), by not reducing prices over the life of the product, and by charging outrageous amounts for upgrades (every Mac buying guide in existence will tell you to buy the minimum RAM, then upgrade with third party memory).

And hidden maintenance costs for subpar service when you find out that the AppleCare warranty basically only covers acts of God.  Seriously, my next cert after CCNA is likely to be ACMT (Apple Certified Macintosh Technician) so I don't have to deal with those peckerheads ever again.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on May 31, 2011, 11:44:35 AM
Quote from: Barrister on May 27, 2011, 02:29:31 PM
Quote from: Berkut on May 27, 2011, 02:18:16 PM
Explaining why Apple over-prices their PCs doesn't really support your argument that Apple doesn't really overprice their PCs.

Well - Apple does "over price" their PCs.  Just not in the way that most people say they do (like there's some 30% apple tax and every Mac is 30% more than the comparable PC).

They are over-priced by not offering less expensive alternatvies (I'd love to buy a Mac tower that is not a Mac Pro), by not reducing prices over the life of the product, and by charging outrageous amounts for upgrades (every Mac buying guide in existence will tell you to buy the minimum RAM, then upgrade with third party memory).

So then we're all in agreement? :)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on May 31, 2011, 11:51:38 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 31, 2011, 11:44:35 AM
Quote from: Barrister on May 27, 2011, 02:29:31 PM
Quote from: Berkut on May 27, 2011, 02:18:16 PM
Explaining why Apple over-prices their PCs doesn't really support your argument that Apple doesn't really overprice their PCs.

Well - Apple does "over price" their PCs.  Just not in the way that most people say they do (like there's some 30% apple tax and every Mac is 30% more than the comparable PC).

They are over-priced by not offering less expensive alternatvies (I'd love to buy a Mac tower that is not a Mac Pro), by not reducing prices over the life of the product, and by charging outrageous amounts for upgrades (every Mac buying guide in existence will tell you to buy the minimum RAM, then upgrade with third party memory).

So then we're all in agreement? :)

I don't know - you tell me.

I *am* saying that Mac computers, when first released, are extremely price competitive with identically-specced PCs.  If you agree with that, then we are in agreement.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on May 31, 2011, 02:34:26 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 31, 2011, 11:51:38 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 31, 2011, 11:44:35 AM
Quote from: Barrister on May 27, 2011, 02:29:31 PM
Quote from: Berkut on May 27, 2011, 02:18:16 PM
Explaining why Apple over-prices their PCs doesn't really support your argument that Apple doesn't really overprice their PCs.

Well - Apple does "over price" their PCs.  Just not in the way that most people say they do (like there's some 30% apple tax and every Mac is 30% more than the comparable PC).

They are over-priced by not offering less expensive alternatvies (I'd love to buy a Mac tower that is not a Mac Pro), by not reducing prices over the life of the product, and by charging outrageous amounts for upgrades (every Mac buying guide in existence will tell you to buy the minimum RAM, then upgrade with third party memory).

So then we're all in agreement? :)

I don't know - you tell me.

I *am* saying that Mac computers, when first released, are extremely price competitive with identically-specced PCs.  If you agree with that, then we are in agreement.

I think we agree enough for it to count as an agreement, so let's just leave it at that :hug:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on May 31, 2011, 02:35:15 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 31, 2011, 02:34:26 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 31, 2011, 11:51:38 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 31, 2011, 11:44:35 AM
Quote from: Barrister on May 27, 2011, 02:29:31 PM
Quote from: Berkut on May 27, 2011, 02:18:16 PM
Explaining why Apple over-prices their PCs doesn't really support your argument that Apple doesn't really overprice their PCs.

Well - Apple does "over price" their PCs.  Just not in the way that most people say they do (like there's some 30% apple tax and every Mac is 30% more than the comparable PC).

They are over-priced by not offering less expensive alternatvies (I'd love to buy a Mac tower that is not a Mac Pro), by not reducing prices over the life of the product, and by charging outrageous amounts for upgrades (every Mac buying guide in existence will tell you to buy the minimum RAM, then upgrade with third party memory).

So then we're all in agreement? :)

I don't know - you tell me.

I *am* saying that Mac computers, when first released, are extremely price competitive with identically-specced PCs.  If you agree with that, then we are in agreement.

I think we agree enough for it to count as an agreement, so let's just leave it at that :hug:

So the answer is no then. :(
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on May 31, 2011, 02:42:57 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 31, 2011, 02:35:15 PM
So the answer is no then. :(

I'M NOT PUTTING AN APPLE LOGO ON MY CAR.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on May 31, 2011, 02:45:28 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 31, 2011, 02:42:57 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 31, 2011, 02:35:15 PM
So the answer is no then. :(

I'M NOT PUTTING AN APPLE LOGO ON MY CAR.

Well thats ebcause Apple doesn't make a car.

Yet.

:shifty:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadImmortalMan on May 31, 2011, 03:42:02 PM
The iCar:


1: Comes in only one color

2: Can only be used with Apple brand tires and only runs on Apple gasoline, both available via iTunes

3: Can only be serviced at Apple garages by iCar geniuses

4: It's technically a hybrid car, but the battery doesn't work after you drive it for 30 days

5: The warranty does not cover the battery

6: Costs $100,000 pre-tax

Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on May 31, 2011, 04:23:43 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 31, 2011, 02:45:28 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 31, 2011, 02:42:57 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 31, 2011, 02:35:15 PM
So the answer is no then. :(

I'M NOT PUTTING AN APPLE LOGO ON MY CAR.

Well thats ebcause Apple doesn't make a car.

Yet.

:shifty:

That doesn't stop all the dipshits I see out on the road who feel the need to advertise that they are a member of TEH APPLE COMMUNITEH.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on June 06, 2011, 11:42:22 AM
So I'd almost forgotten about WWDC.

Apparently Apple will announce OSX 10.7 (aka Lion), and their new iCloud, whatever that is supposed to be.   :bowler:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on June 06, 2011, 01:52:43 PM
iCloud sounds pretty sweet actually.  All your PCs, Macs, and iOS devices sync with each other - and all for free, with no ads.

And yes, your Tunes purchases can sync with any device you have as well.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Berkut on June 06, 2011, 02:42:24 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 31, 2011, 11:51:38 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 31, 2011, 11:44:35 AM
Quote from: Barrister on May 27, 2011, 02:29:31 PM
Quote from: Berkut on May 27, 2011, 02:18:16 PM
Explaining why Apple over-prices their PCs doesn't really support your argument that Apple doesn't really overprice their PCs.

Well - Apple does "over price" their PCs.  Just not in the way that most people say they do (like there's some 30% apple tax and every Mac is 30% more than the comparable PC).

They are over-priced by not offering less expensive alternatvies (I'd love to buy a Mac tower that is not a Mac Pro), by not reducing prices over the life of the product, and by charging outrageous amounts for upgrades (every Mac buying guide in existence will tell you to buy the minimum RAM, then upgrade with third party memory).

So then we're all in agreement? :)

I don't know - you tell me.

I *am* saying that Mac computers, when first released, are extremely price competitive with identically-specced PCs.  If you agree with that, then we are in agreement.

If by that you mean, yes, Mac computers are in fact grossly over-priced, then yes we all agree.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on June 06, 2011, 02:45:03 PM
Quote from: Berkut on June 06, 2011, 02:42:24 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 31, 2011, 11:51:38 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 31, 2011, 11:44:35 AM
Quote from: Barrister on May 27, 2011, 02:29:31 PM
Quote from: Berkut on May 27, 2011, 02:18:16 PM
Explaining why Apple over-prices their PCs doesn't really support your argument that Apple doesn't really overprice their PCs.

Well - Apple does "over price" their PCs.  Just not in the way that most people say they do (like there's some 30% apple tax and every Mac is 30% more than the comparable PC).

They are over-priced by not offering less expensive alternatvies (I'd love to buy a Mac tower that is not a Mac Pro), by not reducing prices over the life of the product, and by charging outrageous amounts for upgrades (every Mac buying guide in existence will tell you to buy the minimum RAM, then upgrade with third party memory).

So then we're all in agreement? :)

I don't know - you tell me.

I *am* saying that Mac computers, when first released, are extremely price competitive with identically-specced PCs.  If you agree with that, then we are in agreement.

If by that you mean, yes, Mac computers are in fact grossly over-priced, then yes we all agree.

Does what you said look anything like what I said?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Berkut on June 06, 2011, 03:11:56 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 06, 2011, 02:45:03 PM
Quote from: Berkut on June 06, 2011, 02:42:24 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 31, 2011, 11:51:38 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 31, 2011, 11:44:35 AM
Quote from: Barrister on May 27, 2011, 02:29:31 PM
Quote from: Berkut on May 27, 2011, 02:18:16 PM
Explaining why Apple over-prices their PCs doesn't really support your argument that Apple doesn't really overprice their PCs.

Well - Apple does "over price" their PCs.  Just not in the way that most people say they do (like there's some 30% apple tax and every Mac is 30% more than the comparable PC).

They are over-priced by not offering less expensive alternatvies (I'd love to buy a Mac tower that is not a Mac Pro), by not reducing prices over the life of the product, and by charging outrageous amounts for upgrades (every Mac buying guide in existence will tell you to buy the minimum RAM, then upgrade with third party memory).

So then we're all in agreement? :)

I don't know - you tell me.

I *am* saying that Mac computers, when first released, are extremely price competitive with identically-specced PCs.  If you agree with that, then we are in agreement.

If by that you mean, yes, Mac computers are in fact grossly over-priced, then yes we all agree.

Does what you said look anything like what I said?

Yes. I said they were over-priced, you agreed while telling us all WHY they were over-priced, which we rightly dismissed as Mac Fanboi excuse making.

Net result: I am right, and we all agree.

It's nice when things can work out this way sometimes.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on June 28, 2011, 12:31:32 PM
While on my trip to Toronto, I will get use of my cousin Tina's ipad. I don't know if it's a 1 or a 2, but am relishing the chance to take it for a test drive while there. Also means I don't have to bring my linux netbook through the airport etc.

My cousin doesn't actually like the ipad that much she tells me... but I'm not sure why she got one, as she's a crackberry user. maybe she bought it before the playbook came out.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on July 01, 2011, 12:11:15 PM
Languish on an iPad feels kind of weird. But I'm digging it.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on July 01, 2011, 05:31:01 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on July 01, 2011, 12:11:15 PM
Languish on an iPad feels kind of weird. But I'm digging it.

I never could get the hang of using any forums with the ipad. Just felt too uncomfortable.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on July 04, 2011, 08:30:16 AM
I think if I do get an iPad, I'll wait a bit and get it in the fall, when my post vacation finances have gotten settled again, and I would rather get the latest model than this 1st gen one, nice as it is to use.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on July 04, 2011, 12:28:02 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on July 04, 2011, 08:30:16 AM
I think if I do get an iPad, I'll wait a bit and get it in the fall, when my post vacation finances have gotten settled again, and I would rather get the latest model than this 1st gen one, nice as it is to use.

There might be a dim hope that all those android pads coming out would put a little pressure on Apple to reduce the price. Especially since the android tablets coming out aren't junk.

But I wouldn't bet on it.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on July 04, 2011, 12:36:11 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 04, 2011, 12:28:02 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on July 04, 2011, 08:30:16 AM
I think if I do get an iPad, I'll wait a bit and get it in the fall, when my post vacation finances have gotten settled again, and I would rather get the latest model than this 1st gen one, nice as it is to use.

There might be a dim hope that all those android pads coming out would put a little pressure on Apple to reduce the price. Especially since the android tablets coming out aren't junk.

But I wouldn't bet on it.

Supposedly Apple prices the iPad very agressively, so it's tough for a non-junk tablet to be much cheaper than the iPad.  I guess they're trying to make the iPad like the iPod (the de facto standard that dominates the market) rather than like the Mac (a high margin niche product).

Supposedly.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on July 04, 2011, 12:38:56 PM
Quote from: Barrister on July 04, 2011, 12:36:11 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 04, 2011, 12:28:02 PM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on July 04, 2011, 08:30:16 AM
I think if I do get an iPad, I'll wait a bit and get it in the fall, when my post vacation finances have gotten settled again, and I would rather get the latest model than this 1st gen one, nice as it is to use.

There might be a dim hope that all those android pads coming out would put a little pressure on Apple to reduce the price. Especially since the android tablets coming out aren't junk.

But I wouldn't bet on it.

Supposedly Apple prices the iPad very agressively, so it's tough for a non-junk tablet to be much cheaper than the iPad.  I guess they're trying to make the iPad like the iPod (the de facto standard that dominates the market) rather than like the Mac (a high margin niche product).

Supposedly.

I just hope Acer and ASUS do well, since they are in the 399 range which price wise, is more tolerable.

But spent 499 for 2 ipad2's, so what do I know? I'm just a fucking sucker.  :blush:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on July 05, 2011, 11:07:14 AM
Quote from: Barrister on July 04, 2011, 12:36:11 PM
Supposedly Apple prices the iPad very agressively, so it's tough for a non-junk tablet to be much cheaper than the iPad.  I guess they're trying to make the iPad like the iPod (the de facto standard that dominates the market) rather than like the Mac (a high margin niche product).

Supposedly.

I actually agree with this, more or less.  I have people asking me all the time which Android tablet to buy.  I tell them unless they want to be able to share apps with their Android phone or get their hands dirty doing some hacking, go get an iPad.

IMO the best tablet deal out there is still the Nook Color, but only if you but only if you go to the trouble to root it to unlock its full potential.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on August 02, 2011, 06:12:10 PM
I almost joined the dark side today.  :ph34r: I went into Best Buy with every intention of buying an iPad 2.  Thankfully, the sales guy managed to talk me out of it by his demeanor.  It's only a matter of time before I order it online, though.  :Embarrass:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on August 03, 2011, 06:18:31 PM
I think I'm going to order it online straight from Apples.

I have a couple of decisions to make, though.  First, black or white?  I always take my electronic gizmos in black, but white seems to be such a signature Mac color.  I'm torn.  Also, do I need to order a cover with it?  It seems like you need one, but I'm wary of being suckered into buying an electronic version of "rust-proofing".

Any help on this?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 03, 2011, 10:55:11 PM
Quote from: DGuller on August 03, 2011, 06:18:31 PM
I think I'm going to order it online straight from Apples.

I have a couple of decisions to make, though.  First, black or white?  I always take my electronic gizmos in black, but white seems to be such a signature Mac color.  I'm torn.  Also, do I need to order a cover with it?  It seems like you need one, but I'm wary of being suckered into buying an electronic version of "rust-proofing".

Any help on this?

White was the signature mac colour.  Now it's brushed aluminum - white looks so 2005.  I'd go with black.

As for the cover - they're selling these fairly ingenious magnetized covers that stay on without and latches, and can fold up to form as a stand.  I think I'd get one.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on August 05, 2011, 03:15:36 PM
The deed has been done.  :ph34r: Yesterday, in fact.  If I will become more annoying in a couple of days, you will know what's behind it.  :Embarrass:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 05, 2011, 03:38:58 PM
Quote from: DGuller on August 05, 2011, 03:15:36 PM
The deed has been done.  :ph34r: Yesterday, in fact.  If I will become more annoying in a couple of days, you will know what's behind it.  :Embarrass:

:yeah:

Don't worry - you have to buy a Mac in order to get really annoying.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on August 06, 2011, 10:25:05 PM
I just received an iPod as an early birthday present that I'm particularly excited about. :blush:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on August 08, 2011, 08:33:08 PM
I got a package today.  :) I was amazed at how thin and light it was, even the whole package was maybe half an inch in height.  I didn't expect it to be that light.  Then I unpacked it and found out that it was just the leather case, the iPad itself was still in Alaska.  :mad:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on August 09, 2011, 03:14:56 AM
Alaska?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 09, 2011, 12:29:44 PM
Quote from: katmai on August 09, 2011, 03:14:56 AM
Alaska?

It's America's 49th state, but that's not important right now.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on August 10, 2011, 08:19:57 AM
My iPad 2 is out for delivery now.  Later today, my life officially begins.  Everything before then was just practice.  :worthy:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on August 10, 2011, 08:29:16 AM
Quote from: DGuller on August 10, 2011, 08:19:57 AM
My iPad 2 is out for delivery now.  Later today, my life officially begins.  Everything before then was just practice.  :worthy:

:huh:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on August 10, 2011, 08:36:51 AM
Just wait until he tries to type on it.  :lol:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on August 10, 2011, 09:11:32 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 10, 2011, 08:36:51 AM
Just wait until he tries to type on it.  :lol:

I like the iPad's soft keyboard.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on August 10, 2011, 09:17:14 AM
Guess what I'm typing this post on? :w00t: That's right, my work PC.  But same time tomorrow, I could be typing it on my iPad 2.  :yeah:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on August 10, 2011, 09:41:42 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 10, 2011, 08:36:51 AM
Just wait until he tries to type on it.  :lol:

I certainly don't see anything wrong with the iPad but playing with angry birds on a larger screen is hardly a pivotal moment in one's life.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on August 10, 2011, 09:50:54 AM
 :huh: Apples products are not just about the screen, they're about a way of life, a much more profound way that people who don't own Apple products understand.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on August 10, 2011, 10:23:56 AM
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimgs.xkcd.com%2Fcomics%2Fmac_pc.png&hash=d634c0404a9143bf1c17704bc9cc7dd78c09f30c)

:wub:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on August 10, 2011, 10:34:46 AM
Sigh, Beeb, they just don't understand.  :(
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on August 10, 2011, 12:38:32 PM
Quote from: DGuller on August 10, 2011, 10:34:46 AM
Sigh, Beeb, they just don't understand.  :(

Go back to humping Triple Stackers.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on August 10, 2011, 02:17:42 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 10, 2011, 09:41:42 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 10, 2011, 08:36:51 AM
Just wait until he tries to type on it.  :lol:

I certainly don't see anything wrong with the iPad but playing with angry birds on a larger screen is hardly a pivotal moment in one's life.

It seemed like it was for my wife when I got the game loaded on her Nook Color. 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on August 10, 2011, 02:19:43 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 10, 2011, 09:41:42 AM
I certainly don't see anything wrong with the iPad but playing with angry birds on a larger screen is hardly a pivotal moment in one's life.

Especially when you can play it on an even bigger screen: http://chrome.angrybirds.com :contract:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 10, 2011, 04:13:05 PM
Quote from: DGuller on August 10, 2011, 10:34:46 AM
Sigh, Beeb, they just don't understand.  :(

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them open their eyes to the truth. :(
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: jimmy olsen on August 10, 2011, 06:47:08 PM
Answer my PM Barrister Boy!
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on August 10, 2011, 06:57:25 PM
Guess what I'm typing with now?  That's right, iPad 2! :w00t:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Caliga on August 14, 2011, 04:39:24 PM
Quote from: DGuller on August 02, 2011, 06:12:10 PM
I went into Best Buy
:bleeding:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on August 14, 2011, 05:04:54 PM
Quote from: Caliga on August 14, 2011, 04:39:24 PM
Quote from: DGuller on August 02, 2011, 06:12:10 PM
I went into Best Buy
:bleeding:

elitist.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on August 14, 2011, 05:16:03 PM
Caliga is right, I'm never going into that dump again unless I have to.  As I suspected, the sales guy did try to sell me a whole bunch of unnecessary accessories.  Thankfully, he tried to sell me by interrogating me, which pissed me off, and made me walk out.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on August 15, 2011, 11:17:56 AM
Bought me an ipad 2 yesterday. got the black as opposed to the white which had been my first choice, til I noticed how grungy looking the white display model in the apple store had gotten. Really enjoyed my first day with it.

the free app "super8" is one of the coolest little moviemaking programs I've ever seen. better than the 5 dollar imovie you can buy at the app store, that's for certain. so far no hitches other than I couldn't handle the crowded sunday afternoon apple store long enough to find a decent "cover" for it. one small niggle: that kind of basic thing should be included for what you pay.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on August 15, 2011, 12:36:16 PM
I love the magnetic cover for the iPad, even if it's a little expensive.  You basically unpack it, and it snaps on magically.  It also magically snaps into a triangle, in case you want to put it down on the desk and angle it.  I love attention to little details like that.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on August 15, 2011, 12:48:44 PM
i may get one of those. checking that out one night after work this week I think. I need one that makes a little stand.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadImmortalMan on August 16, 2011, 03:49:07 PM
Dance, puppets!

http://9to5mac.com/2011/08/16/apple-currently-plans-to-start-pre-orders-for-next-iphone-on-sept-30-launch-oct-7/


Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on August 17, 2011, 12:58:14 PM
Quote from: DGuller on August 14, 2011, 05:16:03 PM
Caliga is right, I'm never going into that dump again unless I have to.  As I suspected, the sales guy did try to sell me a whole bunch of unnecessary accessories. 

That's what they do.  But all you have to do is say no. 

One fun activity if you have some time to kill is to walk in with a blank look on your face & tell them you're looking for an "HDMI cable thingie".  Make them tell you what the differences are between the "cheap" HDMI cables and the super-expensive ones.  Then once they think you've talked them into the $140 Monster HDMI cable, tell them  you're not interested & leave.  For added insult, tell them you ordered a $4 cable online that does exactly the same thing their $140 cable does.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on August 17, 2011, 01:04:57 PM
Quote from: derspiess on August 17, 2011, 12:58:14 PM
That's what they do.  But all you have to do is say no. 
You'd think so, but actually it wasn't so simple.  I said I didn't need a scratch-protective film for my iPad.  He asked whether I didn't need it or didn't want it.  I didn't know myself the answer to that question, so he kept interrogating me like a cop in a Law & Order episode.

Eventually I asked him if I could just "get a freaking iPad".  He said no, it was his job to find out what I needed.  I didn't want to be rude and just walk out right there in front of his face, so I waited until he went to look for the iPad before I gave him the slip.

QuoteOne fun activity if you have some time to kill is to walk in with a blank look on your face & tell them you're looking for an "HDMI cable thingie".  Make them tell you what the differences are between the "cheap" HDMI cables and the super-expensive ones.  Then once they think you've talked them into the $140 Monster HDMI cable, tell them  you're not interested & leave.  For added insult, tell them you ordered a $4 cable online that does exactly the same thing their $140 cable does.
Hmm, that would be a fun one.  I might try it sometime when I'm bored.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on August 17, 2011, 01:13:22 PM
Quote from: DGuller on August 17, 2011, 01:04:57 PM
You'd think so, but actually it wasn't so simple.  I said I didn't need a scratch-protective film for my iPad.  He asked whether I didn't need it or didn't want it.  I didn't know myself the answer to that question, so he kept interrogating me like a cop in a Law & Order episode.

I guess it depends on the salesperson.  I bought two iPads for work a while back & the hardest part was waiting for someone to come over & acknowledge me.  But when I told them what they wanted, and they promptly got them out of the case & rang them up.  Of course they tried to sell me accessories, the protection plan, etc. but I cut them off, told them I was in a hurry & that was that.  Maybe it helps that I usually look like I have a pissed off look on my face even when I'm in a normal mood.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Alcibiades on August 19, 2011, 10:25:49 AM
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Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on August 19, 2011, 11:24:16 AM
Get back to me when they use iPad 2 in comparison.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on August 20, 2011, 11:31:05 AM
ya no kidding. old memes are just that. my ipad 2 has many of those "x'd" features, but actually rocks are more useful on a really basic level. :p also I'm pretty sure rocks are "open source"
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on August 20, 2011, 11:36:15 AM
oh and my ipad is now an indispensable part of my life (as would any tablet I bought i imagine, I'm no Beeb on that level. )  The only hard part is tearing myself away from adding apps etc and actually using them, just like anytime I get a new computer. It's great for comics, making music, playing music, watching vids, facebook, all the stuff I waste my time on, plus I've enjoyed doing a bit of writing, making videos, photography already.

A good purchase, Yay!
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on August 22, 2011, 09:58:22 AM
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on August 20, 2011, 11:36:15 AMmaking music

Seriously.  Damon Albarn recorded and produced an entire Gorillaz album using nothing but an iPad and a yodeling pickle (don't ask) in between sets of a Gorillaz tour last year.  A couple of the pieces are actually halfway decent, too.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on August 22, 2011, 01:45:56 PM
QuoteDamon Albarn recorded and produced an entire Gorillaz album using nothing but an iPad

yuk. I want to sell my ipad 2 now.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: jimmy olsen on August 24, 2011, 07:13:05 PM
BB collapses as millions of fanboys cry out in terror.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44264089/ns/business-us_business/
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 24, 2011, 10:00:59 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 24, 2011, 07:13:05 PM
BB collapses as millions of fanboys cry out in terror.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44264089/ns/business-us_business/

Do you have to joke at a time like this? :mad:

By all accounts el Jobso was a serious jerk in private life, but boy oh boy, does he know how to make fabulous consumer electronics like nobody else on this earth. :wub:

In the short term Apple will be fine - after all he's only been around some of the time for the last few years.  Long term - who knows.  Few CEOs have made such a huge impact on such a large company as he has.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Duque de Bragança on August 25, 2011, 03:27:36 AM
Quote from: Barrister on August 24, 2011, 10:00:59 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 24, 2011, 07:13:05 PM
BB collapses as millions of fanboys cry out in terror.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44264089/ns/business-us_business/

Do you have to joke at a time like this? :mad:

By all accounts el Jobso was a serious jerk in private life, but boy oh boy, does he know how to make fabulous consumer electronics like nobody else on this earth. :wub:

In the short term Apple will be fine - after all he's only been around some of the time for the last few years.  Long term - who knows.  Few CEOs have made such a huge impact on such a large company as he has.

Will Apple focus back on computers? I sure wish they would.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 25, 2011, 09:04:28 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on August 25, 2011, 03:27:36 AM
Quote from: Barrister on August 24, 2011, 10:00:59 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on August 24, 2011, 07:13:05 PM
BB collapses as millions of fanboys cry out in terror.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44264089/ns/business-us_business/

Do you have to joke at a time like this? :mad:

By all accounts el Jobso was a serious jerk in private life, but boy oh boy, does he know how to make fabulous consumer electronics like nobody else on this earth. :wub:

In the short term Apple will be fine - after all he's only been around some of the time for the last few years.  Long term - who knows.  Few CEOs have made such a huge impact on such a large company as he has.

Will Apple focus back on computers? I sure wish they would.

Extremely unlikely.  Their Macs are nice, showing nice growth, but iDevices is where the future of the company is at.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: C.C.R. on August 31, 2011, 10:54:44 AM
I got an iPhone a couple/few months back.  It's OK, I guess.  I mainly just use it for texting (biggie) & talking (not really so much).  I would never have paid full price for it -- I bought it off of my brother-in-law for $60 (don't ask).

Anyhoo, I finally broke down & installed iTunes on my PC this morning so that I could use the mp3 player on the iPhone.  It's not that I have anything against iTunes per se, it's just that keeping this Pentium 4 limping along for 6 1/2 years with duct tape & empty beer cans has made me really stingy about what I install, what kind of proprietary software it runs & how big of a resource hog that said software is (wtf happened to plugging a device in, opening up My Computer and copy/pasting shit onto the device?).  Plus, I'm 38 years old, have a HD full of the mp3's that I want to listen to & am not particularily interested in buying the lastest Lady Gaga single.  Fuck, dude, I've already got Led Zepplin II on cd, vinyl & ripped to my computer -- why do I need iTunes?

Because Apple says so, damn it, and Bevin broke my old mp3 player & I was stuck choosing between buying something new that I would probably just bitch about anyways or making do with what I have.  And I did it on this computer now so that I don't have to infect the new one when it gets here.

I just hit Ctrl+Alt+Dlt for shits & giggles & there it is under processes:  AppleMobileDeviceService.exe, using up 13,000K of system resources that would be better used virtually killing people & breaking shit.  And hey, fuck, there's iTunesHelper.exe, using up another 14,000K of system resources.  Two more processes that I'll have to kill off before launching games for the next week.  Bastards.

But at least I can carry music back & forth between the kitchen & the garage again.  Or something....
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 31, 2011, 02:46:09 PM
So CCR:

iTunes is apoparently not the greatest Windows app ever written.

I do believe it is fairly simple to copy your mp3s over into iTunes however.

But anyways - the great advantage of iTunes is the iTunes store - the biggest music download store on the planet.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on August 31, 2011, 04:31:35 PM
iTunes is a bloody 3rd trimester abortion.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: C.C.R. on August 31, 2011, 07:05:03 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 31, 2011, 02:46:09 PM
But anyways - the great advantage of iTunes is the iTunes store - the biggest music download store on the planet.

Sure, if you need to buy music.  I don't.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 31, 2011, 10:29:34 PM
Quote from: C.C.R. on August 31, 2011, 07:05:03 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 31, 2011, 02:46:09 PM
But anyways - the great advantage of iTunes is the iTunes store - the biggest music download store on the planet.

Sure, if you need to buy music.  I don't.

:pirate ?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: C.C.R. on September 01, 2011, 02:07:33 AM
Quote from: Barrister on August 31, 2011, 10:29:34 PM
Quote from: C.C.R. on August 31, 2011, 07:05:03 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 31, 2011, 02:46:09 PM
But anyways - the great advantage of iTunes is the iTunes store - the biggest music download store on the planet.

Sure, if you need to buy music.  I don't.

:pirate ?

Quote from: C.C.R. on August 31, 2011, 10:54:44 AM
Plus, I'm 38 years old, have a HD full of the mp3's that I want to listen to & am not particularily interested in buying the lastest Lady Gaga single.  Fuck, dude, I've already got Led Zepplin II on cd, vinyl & ripped to my computer -- why do I need iTunes?

Stop skimming my posts, damn it!!!

:P
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: viper37 on September 26, 2011, 03:44:14 PM
Parallels desktop 7 (http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/os-x-and-windows-working-together/18774?tag=mantle_skin;content)
Apparently, it has somme nice features:
Quote
The speed of the new Parallels version running Windows 7 in a virtual machine was impressive, as Windows programs running on the Mac desktop (Coherence mode) were as fast as native Mac programs. It is now possible to share the Mac web cam with Windows, and I witnessed a demo of both Facetime and a Windows program both using the web cam at the same time. You can also install multiple versions of OS X using Parallels for software testing.

I tought it could be of use to the Mac Fans :)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on October 02, 2011, 09:50:44 PM
So my wife has asked a few times about getting Netflix.  I said I'd see what I could do.

I go down to BestBuy/FutureShop (two separate stores, but both owned by BB), when I realize that Apple TV works with Netflix (I thought it didn't, since both compete in the area of digital distribution).

So it's a really sweet setup when you've in the Apple ecosystem at least.  Connects to my Airport Extreme like a drea, a free app converts the iPod Touch into a remote, and though I haven't played with it much, you can play all iTunes material on your tv.

All for $119.

:cool:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on October 02, 2011, 09:55:47 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 02, 2011, 09:50:44 PM
So it's a really sweet setup when you've in the Apple ecosystem at least. 

:unsure:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on October 02, 2011, 09:57:38 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 02, 2011, 09:55:47 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 02, 2011, 09:50:44 PM
So it's a really sweet setup when you've in the Apple ecosystem at least. 

:unsure:

If you don't use iTunes, if you don't have an iPod Touch, it isn't quite so sweet...

(and maybe it doesn't work quite so well if your computer isn't a Mac, or you don't have an Airport Extreme - I don't know...)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on October 02, 2011, 10:07:32 PM
I'm guessing that the $119 is for the Apple TV? :unsure:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on October 02, 2011, 10:16:39 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 02, 2011, 10:07:32 PM
I'm guessing that the $119 is for the Apple TV? :unsure:

Aye.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on October 05, 2011, 01:03:25 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 02, 2011, 09:57:38 PM
If you don't use iTunes, if you don't have an iPod Touch, it isn't quite so sweet...

(and maybe it doesn't work quite so well if your computer isn't a Mac, or you don't have an Airport Extreme - I don't know...)

I'm sure it also does fine if you have a PC on your network running iTunes.

Completely on its own however, it's a bit too locked down & one-dimensional for my tastes.  If it worked like sort of a remote-controlled iPod Touch (which technically it should be more than capable of doing), it'd be awesome even on its own.

My $99 Logitech Revue running the leaked Android 3.1 beta will do just about anything you would want a home theater PC to do, and comes with a nice keyboard/remote control.  Plus it overlays with whatever DVR you have, or even integrates recorded content into the Revue, depending on the type of DVR.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on October 05, 2011, 01:21:36 PM
Quote from: derspiess on October 05, 2011, 01:03:25 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 02, 2011, 09:57:38 PM
If you don't use iTunes, if you don't have an iPod Touch, it isn't quite so sweet...

(and maybe it doesn't work quite so well if your computer isn't a Mac, or you don't have an Airport Extreme - I don't know...)

I'm sure it also does fine if you have a PC on your network running iTunes.

Completely on its own however, it's a bit too locked down & one-dimensional for my tastes.  If it worked like sort of a remote-controlled iPod Touch (which technically it should be more than capable of doing), it'd be awesome even on its own.

My $99 Logitech Revue running the leaked Android 3.1 beta will do just about anything you would want a home theater PC to do, and comes with a nice keyboard/remote control.  Plus it overlays with whatever DVR you have, or even integrates recorded content into the Revue, depending on the type of DVR.

It sounds neat - but I'm certain you spent much more time setting it up than I did the Apple TV.  I went out, bought it, and came home and set it up all while the baby was having a nap.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: citizen k on October 05, 2011, 06:43:13 PM
Steve Jobs has gone to his iCloud.  :(

Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadImmortalMan on October 05, 2011, 06:46:02 PM
Quote
statement by apple board: "We are deeply saddened to announce that Steve Jobs passed away today. Steve's brilliance, passion and energy were the source of countless innovations that enrich and improve all of our lives. The world is immeasurably better because of Steve. His greatest love was for his wife, Laurene, and his family. Our hearts go out to them and to all who were touched by his extraordinary gifts. "
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Neil on October 05, 2011, 08:01:31 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 05, 2011, 06:46:02 PM
Quote
The world is immeasurably better because of Steve.
Woah, let's not overstate things here.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: The Minsky Moment on October 06, 2011, 10:50:50 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 05, 2011, 06:46:02 PM
Quote
The world is Apple stockholders are immeasurably better because of Steve.

Fixed.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Valdemar on October 10, 2011, 03:49:14 AM
I broke down and got a company financed Ipad to please both wife and kids.

And I like it alot. A number of things it wont do properly, especially certain web related things, but i like the apps.

So, here is a q.

What apps to get? preferably free ones atm.

I've got the kids searching the world for games, so I only need more RTS/Strategy related ones. I in particullar like a small game called Crimson Steam pirates i found lately.


Oh and I got a strange experience. Twice the pad has frozen up??? I thought they didn't do things like that. Once it wouldn't open a single app on one screen, but happily opened everythings else. I couldn't move apps on that screen either.
Second time it simply closed down in the middle of browsing. Could restart it with the Apple logo and all, but it never asked for PIN for the mobile net, so it was as if it went to somwhere btw sleep and off???

V
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: HisMajestyBOB on October 12, 2011, 07:08:55 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on October 06, 2011, 10:50:50 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 05, 2011, 06:46:02 PM
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The world is Apple stockholders are immeasurably better because of Steve.

Fixed.

:yes:
My Apple stock has multiplied in value many, many times over.
The same definitely can't be said of my IRA mutual fund. <_<
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on October 19, 2011, 05:16:32 PM
itunes has some of the Blackadder shows for free. I'm assuming it is a limited time offer.

http://itunes.apple.com/us/tv-season/blackadder-ii/id331574717
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on October 20, 2011, 05:04:17 PM
Was Steve Jobs death preventable?

Apparently the new bio will reveal that when he was diagnosed with his form of pancreatic cancer, he waited nine months while seeking alternative therapies before having surgery to remove it.

<_<
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on October 20, 2011, 05:15:03 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 20, 2011, 05:04:17 PM
Was Steve Jobs death preventable?

Apparently the new bio will reveal that when he was diagnosed with his form of pancreatic cancer, he waited nine months while seeking alternative therapies before having surgery to remove it.

<_<
I thought that was common knowledge. 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on October 20, 2011, 05:18:39 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 20, 2011, 05:15:03 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 20, 2011, 05:04:17 PM
Was Steve Jobs death preventable?

Apparently the new bio will reveal that when he was diagnosed with his form of pancreatic cancer, he waited nine months while seeking alternative therapies before having surgery to remove it.

<_<
I thought that was common knowledge.

I heard that speculation, but since he talked so little about his cancer at all nothing was known for sure.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Neil on October 23, 2011, 07:52:11 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 20, 2011, 05:04:17 PM
Apparently the new bio will reveal that when he was diagnosed with his form of pancreatic cancer, he waited nine months while seeking alternative therapies before having surgery to remove it.
It would be hilarious if hippie faggotness killed a man who provided the tech toys of hippie faggots everywhere.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on October 23, 2011, 09:13:42 PM
Quote from: Neil on October 23, 2011, 07:52:11 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 20, 2011, 05:04:17 PM
Apparently the new bio will reveal that when he was diagnosed with his form of pancreatic cancer, he waited nine months while seeking alternative therapies before having surgery to remove it.
It would be hilarious if hippie faggotness killed a man who provided the tech toys of hippie faggots everywhere.

Not just hippue faggots though. :mad:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Neil on October 24, 2011, 08:31:58 AM
Quote from: Barrister on October 23, 2011, 09:13:42 PM
Quote from: Neil on October 23, 2011, 07:52:11 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 20, 2011, 05:04:17 PM
Apparently the new bio will reveal that when he was diagnosed with his form of pancreatic cancer, he waited nine months while seeking alternative therapies before having surgery to remove it.
It would be hilarious if hippie faggotness killed a man who provided the tech toys of hippie faggots everywhere.
Not just hippue faggots though. :mad:
No, but mostly.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadImmortalMan on October 24, 2011, 11:49:18 AM
Rush Limbaugh was Job's biggest fan. He's a complete AAPLtard. Gives away Macbooks to callers and shit.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Tonitrus on November 22, 2011, 09:43:29 PM
I briefly considered going to the Apple store on Friday to get at iPhone 4S....would it be possible to die from a hipster overdose?

Maybe I should just become a Canadian/Polish lawyer already.


Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on December 14, 2011, 11:55:35 AM
So.... the wife has an iPad2 now.  She got it at work for winning some sort of management competition.

I had to install iTunes just to get the damned thing set up.  Hopefully they're not still trying to sneak Safari in the download. 

Anywho, now I need to hunt down a case & probably some other overpriced iAccessories.  I'm thinking of getting the Apple-branded Smart Case, though the Belkin version looks pretty solid as well and it actually protects the back and conceals that horrible logo.   I went ahead & downloaded some of the same apps she uses on her Android phone, but there's a lot of unfamiliar territory to navigate.

Any accessory or app recommendations would be appreciated.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on December 14, 2011, 11:57:47 AM
It will automatically tick on "Install Safari" when you update iTunes.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Lucidor on December 14, 2011, 05:37:21 PM
Thinking of an iPad myself, but I read a rumour the next iteration iPad 2S will be released in march, however, I don't see any hard info of what it will improve over nr 2. Any ideas?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on December 15, 2011, 12:13:17 AM
Quote from: Lucidor on December 14, 2011, 05:37:21 PM
Thinking of an iPad myself, but I read a rumour the next iteration iPad 2S will be released in march, however, I don't see any hard info of what it will improve over nr 2. Any ideas?

Retina display.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on December 15, 2011, 10:51:45 AM
Quote from: Barrister on December 15, 2011, 12:13:17 AM
Quote from: Lucidor on December 14, 2011, 05:37:21 PM
Thinking of an iPad myself, but I read a rumour the next iteration iPad 2S will be released in march, however, I don't see any hard info of what it will improve over nr 2. Any ideas?

Retina display.

Plus many, many more annoyingly-named features, I'm sure :P
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Berkut on December 22, 2011, 11:57:17 AM
Quote from: Barrister on December 15, 2011, 12:13:17 AM
Quote from: Lucidor on December 14, 2011, 05:37:21 PM
Thinking of an iPad myself, but I read a rumour the next iteration iPad 2S will be released in march, however, I don't see any hard info of what it will improve over nr 2. Any ideas?

Retina display.

iEye?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on December 22, 2011, 12:34:29 PM
 :pirate
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: The Minsky Moment on December 22, 2011, 06:30:32 PM
Quote from: Lucidor on December 14, 2011, 05:37:21 PM
Thinking of an iPad myself, but I read a rumour the next iteration iPad 2S will be released in march, however, I don't see any hard info of what it will improve over nr 2. Any ideas?

It will allow you to transcend all earthly limits of space and time, and commune directly with the divine intelligence.
Minor inconveniences like death are not enough to slow Steve Jobs down.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Razgovory on December 22, 2011, 07:23:58 PM
I was out trying to buy a replacement Apple 85w portable power adapter for my brothers laptop. No luck.  Nobody in town sold them and I was told that the model I had doesn't even work with modern Apple products.  It has the date 2006 so it can't be that old.  Model is A1172, I'm going to see if I can get it on Newegg
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Razgovory on December 24, 2011, 08:02:53 PM
Yeah, I finally found the damn thing.  Over 80 bucks.  Fuck that noise.  I could find an IBM compatible device that does the same thing for half that price.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Warspite on December 28, 2011, 08:16:18 AM
Quote from: Lucidor on December 14, 2011, 05:37:21 PM
Thinking of an iPad myself, but I read a rumour the next iteration iPad 2S will be released in march, however, I don't see any hard info of what it will improve over nr 2. Any ideas?

It will make you the toast of your local independent coffee shop.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on January 03, 2012, 10:18:38 AM
Somehow my family went from "lets not spend very much on each other for Christmas", to spending $1000 on electronics during Boxing Day sales.

I picked up a ginormous 27" computer monitor - the missus picked up an iPad.

It's a nifty device from what I've played with it.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Lucidor on January 03, 2012, 10:31:58 AM
So, retina display is a definite?

Also: iEye  :lmfao:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on December 03, 2012, 10:19:57 AM
I like that the latest update of iTunes auto-hid the sidebar that shows my library. I couldn't remember what it was called and got to spend sometime searching for it. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Admiral Yi on December 10, 2012, 02:25:51 PM
Fun fact for the fanbois (from the Economist): markups are so high on ipHones that even though they only constitute 18% of smart phones sold, Apple got 86% of total profits from smart phones.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on February 15, 2013, 12:56:06 PM
I think I'm going to treat myself and buy a new iPod Touch to replace my '09 "fat" iPod nano.   :cool:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Eddie Teach on February 15, 2013, 05:33:17 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 10, 2012, 02:25:51 PM
Fun fact for the fanbois (from the Economist): markups are so high on ipHones that even though they only constitute 18% of smart phones sold, Apple got 86% of total profits from smart phones.

The value is made up in hipness.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on February 22, 2013, 08:27:52 AM
Apple products are definitely a lot more refined than any of their competitor's products.  They realized that most people don't like to endlessly fiddle around with gadgets, and just want them to work perfectly out of the box.  My concern is that in the long run, Android is going to win out when it comes to software support, just like PCs won out over Macs.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on February 22, 2013, 08:51:18 AM
HBO Nordic are already focusing on Android and leaving the iPhone with a meh-ish app, and not even trying to pretend to be making an Apple TV app.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Berkut on April 05, 2013, 08:45:07 PM
WEll, with my "found" bonus money from the recent company switch, I went and bought a 32GB iPad.

What awesome games must I get for it?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on April 07, 2013, 08:41:41 PM
After much debate, I have joined the iPhone heathen. :weep:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Berkut on April 18, 2013, 01:09:43 PM
I have to admit that the iPad is actually even more awesome than I thought it was going to be...
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: fhdz on April 18, 2013, 06:41:56 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 18, 2013, 01:09:43 PM
I have to admit that the iPad is actually even more awesome than I thought it was going to be...

Really nice devices, with an array of great software.

I am glad that the Android app market is catching up. Apple sorely needs some competition to inspire a bit of innovation.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on May 10, 2013, 12:41:38 PM
Gotta say, I wasn't expecting the "honeymoon phase" of switching to iPhone to last this long. :blush:

Of course, I'm a colossal nerd and ended up picking up a somewhat-functional "tricorder" app that I want to take geocaching. The thought of using a tricorder to look for stuff the way they did on Star Trek is just way too tempting. :blush: :blush:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Caliga on May 10, 2013, 12:45:08 PM
Quote from: fahdiz on April 18, 2013, 06:41:56 PM
Really nice devices, with an array of great software.

I am glad that the Android app market is catching up. Apple sorely needs some competition to inspire a bit of innovation.
I'm a big fan of my Nexus 10. :cool:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on June 10, 2013, 02:02:00 PM
WWDC Day:

Apple is announcing OS X: Mavericks (:rolleyes:), iOS 7 (looks nice), new MB Airs, and most importantly...

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.arstechnica.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F06%2FScreen-Shot-2013-06-10-at-12.58.19-PM-640x355.png&hash=89a2d69591d9ac0a1fb99cfd46e731d0a723606a)

The New Mac Pro.

I want it.  :mad:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on June 10, 2013, 04:18:07 PM
iOS7 does look nice, if a little bubbly.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on June 10, 2013, 04:35:51 PM
I think I'd kick someone if I went to their house and they had that mac pro.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on June 10, 2013, 05:22:55 PM
Quote from: garbon on June 10, 2013, 04:35:51 PM
I think I'd kick someone if I went to their house and they had that mac pro.

*cancels garbo's invite to my summer BBQ*

You do know I already own a 2008 Mac Pro... :unsure:

Unfortunately no pricing details were announced.  The spec sheet sounds amazing.  Probably too amazing - to the point where an Apple Geek like me can't possibly justify the cost of buying one as a home machine instead of an iMac.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on June 10, 2013, 05:26:09 PM
Does your mac pro look like that? No.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on June 10, 2013, 05:33:48 PM
My wife is losing patience with Apple.  Last year she bought a Samung phone, due to the bigger screen. 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Tonitrus on June 10, 2013, 07:45:25 PM
Quote from: garbon on June 10, 2013, 05:26:09 PM
Does your mac pro look like that? No.

It looks like a waste bin...but the specs seem pretty good.

And it's made in 'Merica!
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Josquius on June 11, 2013, 04:40:38 AM
A mac laptop is increasingly tempting me despite the horrific rip off prices.
I just feel it would be useful for my chances of employment to gain experience with macs too...
Even second hand ones alas are expensive.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: fhdz on June 11, 2013, 11:27:01 AM
Quote from: Tyr on June 11, 2013, 04:40:38 AM
A mac laptop is increasingly tempting me despite the horrific rip off prices.

Not Worth It.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on June 11, 2013, 11:31:05 AM
Quote from: fahdiz on June 11, 2013, 11:27:01 AM
Quote from: Tyr on June 11, 2013, 04:40:38 AM
A mac laptop is increasingly tempting me despite the horrific rip off prices.

Not Worth It.

Disagree.  My wife's MBP is the nicest laptop I have ever had the pleasure of using.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Berkut on June 11, 2013, 11:39:14 AM
Quote from: Tyr on June 11, 2013, 04:40:38 AM
A mac laptop is increasingly tempting me despite the horrific rip off prices.
I just feel it would be useful for my chances of employment to gain experience with macs too...
Even second hand ones alas are expensive.

The fact that second hand ones are expensive actually suggests that they are actually worth the cost...
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on June 11, 2013, 02:18:58 PM
iOS 7 looks alright, but not groundbreaking.  Of course, we won't be getting AirDrop on the iPhone 4S, which is the main feature worth rolling out.  Siri's kinda useless, though, so some expansions would be welcome.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: fhdz on June 11, 2013, 03:27:02 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on June 11, 2013, 02:18:58 PM
iOS 7 looks alright, but not groundbreaking.

They appear to have borrowed liberally from both Android and Windows Phone, which in my mind is a good thing. Apple's UI was getting reeeeeeally long in the tooth.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on June 11, 2013, 03:35:41 PM
Quote from: fahdiz on June 11, 2013, 03:27:02 PM
They appear to have borrowed liberally from both Android and Windows Phone, which in my mind is a good thing. Apple's UI was getting reeeeeeally long in the tooth.
I'm not a huge fan of the aesthetic.  You can do flat, you can do rounded, but when you do both, it starts looking a little cartoony and just kinda sad.  If the rounded corners were less extreme, I'd probably have less problem with it.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on June 11, 2013, 03:39:18 PM
I liked the old "skeumorphic" design. :(
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on June 11, 2013, 03:46:16 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 11, 2013, 03:39:18 PM
I liked the old "skeumorphic" design. :(

Skeuomorphs are teh devil, at least according to the graphic designers I know.  Good riddance to the Games Center and Newsstand ones in particular.  I wouldn't consider the glossy finish skeuomorphic, since it wasn't really designed to mimic any specific material.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on June 12, 2013, 11:32:14 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on June 11, 2013, 03:46:16 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 11, 2013, 03:39:18 PM
I liked the old "skeumorphic" design. :(

Skeuomorphs are teh devil, at least according to the graphic designers I know.  Good riddance to the Games Center and Newsstand ones in particular.  I wouldn't consider the glossy finish skeuomorphic, since it wasn't really designed to mimic any specific material.

Yeah, well graphic designers can get lost.

Sometimes it was over the top (Games Centre's green felt was bad), but I liked that the ntoebook app took notes on yellow paper.  Made it seem friendlier. :)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Josephus on July 14, 2013, 11:36:44 AM
So my PC finally bit the dust. Thinking of getting a new one, but not sold on Windows 8. I suddenly had a thought about getting an Imac instead. Pros? Cons? And what's this about not having a Disc Drive?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on July 14, 2013, 12:22:39 PM
Quote from: Josephus on July 14, 2013, 11:36:44 AM
So my PC finally bit the dust. Thinking of getting a new one, but not sold on Windows 8. I suddenly had a thought about getting an Imac instead. Pros? Cons? And what's this about not having a Disc Drive?

It's so thin that there was no room for an optical drive.  Apple offers their own external disc drive, but at $80, it's an absolute rip-off, when you can get a decent LG drive for $25: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136261

The biggest cons with iMacs are service.  Apple voids your warranty pretty much as soon as you take the back off, so file it under "almost no user-serviceable parts."  Even when you can take them apart, as I can, they've actually crammed things in there tighter than many laptops, so they're not really fun to work on.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Josephus on July 14, 2013, 01:52:01 PM
is the geforce GT 640m, a decent card for playing, say Paradox games and simialr things?

Is it higher tha a Geforce 7300?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on July 14, 2013, 06:04:44 PM
It seems our IT finally decided on iPads for us as a "digital backpack", it'll replace the 3 books (rules, infrastructure plans, etc) we are required to bring with us while driving.

They'll be making special apps for it, but judging from the official apps they've put out (ticket apps) it's going to be disastrous. None of them have more than 2 stars rating, and from personal experience they crash more often than not.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on July 14, 2013, 09:15:39 PM
Quote from: Josephus on July 14, 2013, 01:52:01 PM
is the geforce GT 640m, a decent card for playing, say Paradox games and simialr things?

Is it higher tha a Geforce 7300?

Yes

and yes the Nvidia Cards went from 4 digits to 3 so a 560 was little higher than the 9600 iirc. So 780 is top of the line.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on July 14, 2013, 11:03:15 PM
Quote from: Josephus on July 14, 2013, 11:36:44 AM
So my PC finally bit the dust. Thinking of getting a new one, but not sold on Windows 8. I suddenly had a thought about getting an Imac instead. Pros? Cons? And what's this about not having a Disc Drive?

iMac is a beautiful computer - if that matters to you the iMac wins, hands down, compared to any PC.

Beyond that though, Pros and Cons come down to OS X - the Mac operating system.  Surely if you're in newspapers you have some exposure to Macs?  What do you think of them?

I find my time with OS X is much nicer than under Windows.  Just little things, like dramatically faster load times, and very few worries about security.  However, the major downside of course is software - a lot of what exists for Windows doesn't exist for Mac.  If you're a big PC gamer a Mac may not be thte computer for you.

Disc drive - honestly the disc sitting in my computer right now is for Skyrim, a game I haven't even played in a year.  So much now has moved to digital distribution you might find you don't miss a DVD drive.

Depending on what your current monitor is, you might want to consider getting a Mac Mini as a much cheaper introduction to Macs.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on July 14, 2013, 11:50:47 PM
Quote from: Josephus on July 14, 2013, 11:36:44 AM
So my PC finally bit the dust. Thinking of getting a new one, but not sold on Windows 8. I suddenly had a thought about getting an Imac instead. Pros? Cons? And what's this about not having a Disc Drive?

I'll be having a machine shortly with win 8 on it. Been doing some homework on how to make it function more like older versions of windows in the event that I hate it. -_-
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on July 15, 2013, 06:35:29 AM
Quote from: garbon on July 14, 2013, 11:50:47 PM
I'll be having a machine shortly with win 8 on it. Been doing some homework on how to make it function more like older versions of windows in the event that I hate it. -_-

First thing I've come across is that Win8 logons are evil.  Your user account's supposed to tie into your Windows Live account, and everything wants to tie directly into your user account.  It's already caused me to ditch Skype for Windows 8, since I have a couple Skype accounts I need to switch back and forth between.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Josephus on July 15, 2013, 09:42:19 AM
Hey thanks Kat and BB. Yeah, beeb, I do use a Mac at work and do like it. I've previously been a die hard PC er at home mostly for games and such, but as I get older I'm slowly moving away from that...don't have as much time anywhere. But I see PDox is releasing EU4 for Mac anyways, and so between that and footie manager, it should keep me busy for a year in any case. I play skyrim on the ps3.

I'm leaning towards the imac. There's a company  who supplies macs for work I can get one from. Not much different in cost than going to an Apple shop, but he can load it up nicely with all the microsoft and adobe stuff I'll need. So that's a nice plus.

The disc drive is more of an issue cause I'd like to load my CDs (music) on, but I can get an external pretty cheaply, so that's no longer an issue.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on July 15, 2013, 05:33:04 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on July 15, 2013, 06:35:29 AM
Quote from: garbon on July 14, 2013, 11:50:47 PM
I'll be having a machine shortly with win 8 on it. Been doing some homework on how to make it function more like older versions of windows in the event that I hate it. -_-

First thing I've come across is that Win8 logons are evil.  Your user account's supposed to tie into your Windows Live account, and everything wants to tie directly into your user account.  It's already caused me to ditch Skype for Windows 8, since I have a couple Skype accounts I need to switch back and forth between.

Hmm? Maybe it is because I have an OEM version but just now when I setup my computer, there wasn't anything trying to link me to my windows live account. Didn't even ask me to set one up. :unsure:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on July 15, 2013, 08:04:48 PM
Yay! Just installed Skyrim and it auto-set me to: Ultra High Quality!

I've never had that happen with anything, ever before. :blush:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on July 22, 2013, 05:39:55 PM
I forgot how much I like gaming on a computer. So much nicer. :)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on July 24, 2013, 10:57:57 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 22, 2013, 05:39:55 PM
I forgot how much I like gaming on a computer. So much nicer. :)

:yes:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on July 31, 2013, 03:53:05 PM
So I finally bought the wife an iPhone.  She definitely wasn't the Android type.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on July 31, 2013, 04:39:18 PM
How does she like it?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on July 31, 2013, 06:35:12 PM
Shit if I know.  I dropped it off at her office today during what ended up being an extended lunch.  Battery was totally dead when the sales dude took it out of the box, and I had to wait there at the store while it charged enough for him to make a test call with it.  iCrap... :rolleyes:

Now I get to go buy extra charging cables-- forgot that the new ones use that BS lightning cable.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Josephus on August 10, 2013, 02:18:14 PM
In the last three months I've gone from an android phone to an Iphone and from a pc to an imac.

Just call me ijosephus
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on August 10, 2013, 03:16:49 PM
I'll never get another iPhone, but I've been looking at getting a 13" Air to replace my super old Dell XPS 1330 that, while it's still hangin on, damn it's slow.  I was looking at the Air purely for the size/weight and battery life.  The performance, which isn't all that awesome for the price, is secondary for me in this case.

There were some pretty cool 13.3" Lenovo convertibles with similar to slightly better "numbers," for cheaper, at the Windows store, but I found the whole part where it rotates back behind the keyboard (so now you're resting your tablet on the keyboard) to be pointless.  I have a tablet already, so I would just be using it purely as a laptop.  The battery life (the advertised best case, of course) also wasn't as good.  I'm seriously considering the extra $150 for the two hours of advertised battery life and lighter weight.

How irritating is it to have a laptop without a disk drive of some sort these days?  Not at all?


E:  Nevermind. It doesn't matter anymore.  The Dell was having one of it's moments just now and in a fit of frustration I bought the base model 13" Air.  Fuuuck it.

E2:  Taking a little getting used to, but it's nice.  Chrome works fine, so that's good.  Installing Open Office until I can get Office on there was a little weird with the whole..."mounted disk" thing and having to drag it over to applications to really get it on there or whatever that was.  Either way, it works now. 

"Natural scrolling"? Really Apple?  It's "natural" for the screen to scroll down when I spin my mouse wheel up?   :huh: 

What kind of assclown would have his date and time in the tray up there set to analog?

The red x doesn't actually seem to quit, and th green plus doesn't always seem to make the window large enough.  Hm.  Command Q sure as hell quits though.

Refresh is not F5. WHAT THE FUCK
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on August 11, 2013, 11:23:32 AM
Hehe, you'll get used to all that surprisingly quick. Don't worry.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on August 11, 2013, 12:09:46 PM
Quote from: Liep on August 11, 2013, 11:23:32 AM
Hehe, you'll get used to all that surprisingly quick. Don't worry.

Yeah that's some pretty minor stuff.  I have to go buy a new charger brick thing today though.  Damn cat decided that Apple products, or at least the cords, taste nice sometime after I went to be last night.  E: Oh nice.  Then she went and sampled a Lenovo charger cord, probably for comparison, and seemed to like that one too.  :mad:

E:  Ah.  And there's my Dell charger.  That one is in a few pieces now.  What the fuck, man
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Tonitrus on August 11, 2013, 02:32:03 PM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1240BB1457&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleMKP-_-pla-_-Dogs+-+Training+Aids-_-9SIA1240BB1457
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on August 11, 2013, 04:22:31 PM
Yeah I immediately started looking for stuff like that.  I just don't understand why she only went after laptop power cables, but left every other cable we have alone, including stuff that hangs just like the laptop ones do.  Weird little cat.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on August 11, 2013, 04:48:17 PM
I wish they would hurry up and refresh the Mac Mini.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 12, 2013, 11:24:56 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 11, 2013, 04:48:17 PM
I wish they would hurry up and refresh the Mac Mini.

They may release a new one with the latest and greatest Intel, but don't expect much else in terms of a redesign.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on August 12, 2013, 11:51:12 AM
I just want them to update them. The kid's computers need to be replaced soon.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on August 17, 2013, 11:48:59 AM
Got myself one of those portable trackpads.  Now I can be even more lazy by moving the pointer pad to where my hand is instead of the other way around, and I don't even have to move my wrist like I did with my little portable mouse.

As a side note, my wife went and bought herself on of those Lenovo Yoga11s convertible laptops after the cat ruined her charger for her old laptop.  Turns out that thing is pretty fuckin cool.  She went and got herself a sleeve thing for it that covers the keyboard when its in "tablet mode" so that concern of mine is gone.  It's not as big as the Air (13" vs 11"), but it's cheaper and faster.  The battery life isn't as good by a significant amount (2-3 hours) either though, so even if I had extensively tested one, I still wouldn't have gotten it.  Again though:  pretty fuckin cool.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Grey Fox on September 04, 2013, 07:09:35 PM
My father bought an Ipad mini, I feel very sad.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 10, 2013, 12:54:10 PM
Apple is announcing, as predicted, new iPhone 5S and 5C.  Very much as rumour cites called.

The one unexpected announcement so far - the 5S is powered by a new, 64-bit A7 processor.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on September 10, 2013, 12:56:45 PM
Same screen sizes and all that?  I'm waiting for them to stop fucking around and release something that isn't tiny.  Might go back to an iPhone if they do.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 10, 2013, 12:57:55 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 10, 2013, 12:56:45 PM
Same screen sizes and all that?  I'm waiting for them to stop fucking around and release something that isn't tiny.  Might go back to an iPhone if they do.

Still going on, but yup.  They seem pretty firm on not wanting to compete on "specs", which include screen size.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on September 10, 2013, 12:58:39 PM
What about fingerprint thingie?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 10, 2013, 12:59:29 PM
Quote from: DGuller on September 10, 2013, 12:58:39 PM
What about fingerprint thingie?

Just announcing it now.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on September 10, 2013, 01:01:21 PM
Fingerprint scanners are cool.  That's one of the things I definitely miss about my Atrix.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 10, 2013, 01:32:16 PM
I've been counting the days till my BB contract expires and I can get an iPhone through my employer.

I wonder if they'll cheap out and get 5Cs for us drones, or will the promise of increased security fingerprint scanners mean a 5S?

:hmm:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Grey Fox on September 10, 2013, 01:35:20 PM
Just cancel the contract, it'll be, what?, 20$?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on September 10, 2013, 03:02:22 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on September 10, 2013, 01:35:20 PM
Just cancel the contract, it'll be, what?, 20$?

US carriers typically charge a $250 "early termination fee."
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 10, 2013, 03:11:56 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on September 10, 2013, 01:35:20 PM
Just cancel the contract, it'll be, what?, 20$?

It's not my contract, it's the government's contract.  Plus the government switched providers.  My BB is with Rogers, but all new phones are with Telus.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on September 10, 2013, 05:14:00 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on September 10, 2013, 03:02:22 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on September 10, 2013, 01:35:20 PM
Just cancel the contract, it'll be, what?, 20$?

US carriers typically charge a $250 "early termination fee."

Which is why I never do 2 year contracts. Fucking thieves.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Grey Fox on September 11, 2013, 11:59:42 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on September 10, 2013, 03:02:22 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on September 10, 2013, 01:35:20 PM
Just cancel the contract, it'll be, what?, 20$?

US carriers typically charge a $250 "early termination fee."

We use to have that & then legislation was enacted. There's a Federal code & Quebec has a law. Max contracts are now 2 years(well will be, but no one offers 3 years anymore) and, here, only the subsidy for the phone needs to be paid back. The cost is subsidy/24 x # of months left on the contract.

Our plans sucks tho.

@BB Oh, how much longer?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 11, 2013, 12:00:47 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on September 11, 2013, 11:59:42 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on September 10, 2013, 03:02:22 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on September 10, 2013, 01:35:20 PM
Just cancel the contract, it'll be, what?, 20$?

US carriers typically charge a $250 "early termination fee."

We use to have that & then legislation was enacted. There's a Federal code & Quebec has a law. Max contracts are now 2 years(well will be, but no one offers 3 years anymore) and, here, only the subsidy for the phone needs to be paid back. The cost is subsidy/24 x # of months left on the contract.

Our plans sucks tho.

@BB Oh, how much longer?

April 2014.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Grey Fox on September 11, 2013, 12:10:46 PM
Soon! 5C for you!
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 11, 2013, 12:13:36 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on September 11, 2013, 12:10:46 PM
Soon! 5C for you!

I shouldn't get too excited.  It'll probably be pretty locked down.  If I can't install any apps or music then it's not going to be all that different from my BB Bold.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on September 11, 2013, 12:39:10 PM
Hopefully it's just 9 more days of waiting for me before I rid myself of the Android phone.  My contract expired a couple of days ago. :yeah:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 11, 2013, 12:42:56 PM
Quote from: DGuller on September 11, 2013, 12:39:10 PM
Hopefully it's just 9 more days of waiting for me before I rid myself of the Android phone.  My contract expired a couple of days ago. :yeah:

What are you getting? :)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on September 11, 2013, 12:48:34 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 11, 2013, 12:42:56 PM
Quote from: DGuller on September 11, 2013, 12:39:10 PM
Hopefully it's just 9 more days of waiting for me before I rid myself of the Android phone.  My contract expired a couple of days ago. :yeah:

What are you getting? :)
5S.  Or is it 5s?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 11, 2013, 12:54:32 PM
Quote from: DGuller on September 11, 2013, 12:48:34 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 11, 2013, 12:42:56 PM
Quote from: DGuller on September 11, 2013, 12:39:10 PM
Hopefully it's just 9 more days of waiting for me before I rid myself of the Android phone.  My contract expired a couple of days ago. :yeah:

What are you getting? :)
5S.  Or is it 5s?

Looks like iPhone 5s.

http://www.apple.com/ca/iphone-5s/

Let us know what you think of it. :)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on September 11, 2013, 01:00:56 PM
Also, what does it stand for? Super, sexy, speed, sacred, second?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 11, 2013, 01:08:08 PM
Quote from: Liep on September 11, 2013, 01:00:56 PM
Also, what does it stand for? Super, sexy, speed, sacred, second?

I don't think Apple has ever really said, though going back to the iPhone 3GS I thought it stood for "speed".
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Grey Fox on September 11, 2013, 01:28:37 PM
I thought it stood for "Second"?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: mongers on September 11, 2013, 02:27:00 PM
Quote from: Liep on September 11, 2013, 01:00:56 PM
Also, what does it stand for? Super, sexy, speed, sacred, second?

Student, it's made by student interns;the 5C is the one built by convict slave labour.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on September 11, 2013, 05:49:52 PM
Quote from: mongers on September 11, 2013, 02:27:00 PM
Quote from: Liep on September 11, 2013, 01:00:56 PM
Also, what does it stand for? Super, sexy, speed, sacred, second?

Student, it's made by student interns;the 5C is the one built by convict slave labour.

I WANT ONE.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Berkut on September 15, 2013, 01:04:10 AM
Quote from: Liep on September 11, 2013, 01:00:56 PM
Also, what does it stand for? Super, sexy, speed, sacred, second?

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Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on September 15, 2013, 01:52:09 AM
My iPod seems to....it did something weird today where it drained its battery in like 20 minutes.  It was a super short amount of time.  Is this something that....I don't know...happens sometimes with the "new" iPod touch?

Speaking of batteries, holy shit that trackpad burns through them QUICK.  Granted, I'm using rechargeables, so they probably don't last as long, but it blew through the regular generic batteries it came with in about a week.







This might mean I'm on the computer too much, now that I think about it.  :hmm:

E:  And another thing:  My Air does this thing where...okay I've been drinking so bear with me...when you open it up and type in the password to unlock it, it'll display the desktop/whatever was open for about 10-15 seconds, then the screen will go blank again like it went back to sleep.  I have to tap the touchpad a couple times (so it clicks) in order to get the display "going" again.  It's very strange.  Do I have a retarded laptop, or is this a known issue?


Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on September 15, 2013, 02:06:22 AM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 15, 2013, 01:52:09 AM

E:  And another thing:  My Air does this thing where...okay I've been drinking so bear with me...when you open it up and type in the password to unlock it, it'll display the desktop/whatever was open for about 10-15 seconds, then the screen will go blank again like it went back to sleep.  I have to tap the touchpad a couple times (so it clicks) in order to get the display "going" again.  It's very strange.  Do I have a retarded laptop, or is this a known issue?




Mine did the same, plus it would lag for 10-20 seconds every 2-3 minutes. I had it changed as they couldn't fix it.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on September 15, 2013, 02:11:47 AM
You can exchange it for that?  I might take it in for it.  I mean, it's not the worst thing in the world, but it's irritating, and it certainly shouldn't be doing that.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on September 18, 2013, 12:23:37 PM
I have another important question:  silver, space gray, or gold?  I'm leaning towards gold just because it's something different, but I'm curious which color others would go for.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on September 18, 2013, 08:18:13 PM
I do not like ios 7  :yucky:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on September 18, 2013, 08:42:16 PM
What's different/strange/shitty about it?


E:  Whoa.  I forgot it's going to be going on my ipod.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on September 18, 2013, 08:44:09 PM
What about my color choices?  :mad:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on September 18, 2013, 08:47:57 PM
Feels slow. Looks like somebody vomited on my iPad.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Josephus on September 18, 2013, 09:57:49 PM
Almost got it on my iphone...5 minutes left and then I got a network server error. Now restarted at two hours :(

I have to do this with my ipod too? :huh:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 18, 2013, 10:48:02 PM
Quote from: Josephus on September 18, 2013, 09:57:49 PM
Almost got it on my iphone...5 minutes left and then I got a network server error. Now restarted at two hours :(

I have to do this with my ipod too? :huh:

I'm loading it while synced to the Mac - estimated download time is 10 minutes.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on September 19, 2013, 02:26:48 AM
Update went fine for me, but I'm not sure about the colours or the way windows now pop up from the left bottom corner.

Generally though, it now looks like an OS from after 2010, and the font is nice.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on September 19, 2013, 02:59:05 AM
Quit ur bitching Anger dammit!
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: merithyn on September 19, 2013, 07:20:18 AM
Quote from: DGuller on September 18, 2013, 08:44:09 PM
What about my color choices?  :mad:

Gold phone will match the gold chains and go well with the wife beaters. :)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on September 19, 2013, 07:28:49 AM
Quote from: DGuller on September 18, 2013, 08:44:09 PM
What about my color choices?  :mad:

I'll avoid the eastern stereotype and say go with the black like any other boring straight guy would.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Josephus on September 19, 2013, 07:30:55 AM
It must have been a busy time when i tried to update, late in teh evening. I think a lot of "the kids" set it up to download over night, because it was taking forever and the download time kept increasing. Did it first thing this morning and it d/ld in about five minutes. Took longer to actually install.

Anyways...not sure I like the new look yet.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on September 19, 2013, 09:34:49 AM
Quote from: katmai on September 19, 2013, 02:59:05 AM
Quit ur bitching Anger dammit!

Slow and pokey, just like fatmai.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 19, 2013, 09:39:11 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 19, 2013, 09:34:49 AM
Quote from: katmai on September 19, 2013, 02:59:05 AM
Quit ur bitching Anger dammit!

Slow and pokey, just like fatmai.

How old an iPad are we talking about?

iOS 7 seems fine on my iPod Touch.  I don't think I care for the new "flat" aesthetic, but speed is unchanged.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on September 19, 2013, 09:41:22 AM
iPad 2 :blush:

Too cheap to get the newest one.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 19, 2013, 09:43:41 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 19, 2013, 09:41:22 AM
iPad 2 :blush:

Too cheap to get the newest one.

There's nothing wrong with being cheap, son.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on September 19, 2013, 09:45:22 AM
I make pennies scream when I pinch them.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on September 19, 2013, 09:49:51 AM
Quote from: merithyn on September 19, 2013, 07:20:18 AM
Quote from: DGuller on September 18, 2013, 08:44:09 PM
What about my color choices?  :mad:

Gold phone will match the gold chains and go well with the wife beaters. :)
It's a very subtle tone of gold, not at all like my watch or chain.  :mad:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Tamas on September 19, 2013, 10:09:06 AM
Quote from: DGuller on September 18, 2013, 12:23:37 PM
I have another important question:  silver, space gray, or gold?  I'm leaning towards gold just because it's something different, but I'm curious which color others would go for.

An Ukrainian going for gold? No way!

:P

I am strongly considering buying a 5S  :Embarrass: Space grey if there is no black, for me.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 19, 2013, 10:09:47 AM
Quote from: Tamas on September 19, 2013, 10:09:06 AM
An Ukrainian going for gold? No way!

:mad:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on September 19, 2013, 10:48:47 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 19, 2013, 09:41:22 AM
iPad 2 :blush:

Too cheap to get the newest one.
I have a 4, and that's choppy too with the new OS. Changing wallpaper is impossible with it being so laggy.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: merithyn on September 19, 2013, 12:19:49 PM
Quote from: DGuller on September 19, 2013, 09:49:51 AM
Quote from: merithyn on September 19, 2013, 07:20:18 AM
Quote from: DGuller on September 18, 2013, 08:44:09 PM
What about my color choices?  :mad:

Gold phone will match the gold chains and go well with the wife beaters. :)
It's a very subtle tone of gold, not at all like my watch or chain.  :mad:

:lol: :hug:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 19, 2013, 12:20:37 PM
Quote from: Liep on September 19, 2013, 10:48:47 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 19, 2013, 09:41:22 AM
iPad 2 :blush:

Too cheap to get the newest one.
I have a 4, and that's choppy too with the new OS. Changing wallpaper is impossible with it being so laggy.

I did read that iPhone 4 was a bit questionable with iOS 7, but that you can turn off most of the graphic effects to make it more responsive.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on September 19, 2013, 01:09:45 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 19, 2013, 12:20:37 PM
Quote from: Liep on September 19, 2013, 10:48:47 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 19, 2013, 09:41:22 AM
iPad 2 :blush:

Too cheap to get the newest one.
I have a 4, and that's choppy too with the new OS. Changing wallpaper is impossible with it being so laggy.

I did read that iPhone 4 was a bit questionable with iOS 7, but that you can turn off most of the graphic effects to make it more responsive.
I meant iPad 4, or whatever they call it, retina, the newest.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on September 19, 2013, 03:38:30 PM
One of my best friends, who is the Apple freak of all Apple freaks (going back to the 80s), was so unimpressed with iOS 7 that he bought Samsung Galaxy S4 :lol:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Tamas on September 20, 2013, 04:28:44 AM
I`d have to cash out between 47-51 pounds a month for two years for a subscription-iPhone 5S combo. Ouch.
DECISIONS, DECISIONS.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Phillip V on September 20, 2013, 05:54:46 AM
DO IT.

Which color will you choose?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on September 20, 2013, 07:51:55 AM
I found out how to disable that parallax feature. Wooo!
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on September 20, 2013, 08:18:16 AM
Ok, I'm chickening out on the gold iPhone.  I think that a gray iPhone would perfectly reflect my personality.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on September 20, 2013, 08:27:25 AM
Quote from: DGuller on September 20, 2013, 08:18:16 AM
Ok, I'm chickening out on the gold iPhone.  I think that a gray iPhone would perfectly reflect my personality.

:hug:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on September 20, 2013, 08:30:43 AM
Is total phone protection worth getting for $10 a month?  It seems like over the 2 years, you'll be shelling out half the value of the phone after the application of $169 deductible.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on September 20, 2013, 08:40:42 AM
Trigger pulled.  :ph34r:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Tamas on September 20, 2013, 10:56:52 AM
Quote from: DGuller on September 20, 2013, 08:40:42 AM
Trigger pulled.  :ph34r:

:(

How much smaller the 5S is than the Galaxy S4? Because you can make pancakes on the latter.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on September 20, 2013, 11:40:37 AM
Quote from: Tamas on September 20, 2013, 10:56:52 AM
Quote from: DGuller on September 20, 2013, 08:40:42 AM
Trigger pulled.  :ph34r:

:(

How much smaller the 5S is than the Galaxy S4? Because you can make pancakes on the latter.
I don't know yet, I ordered online.  It's the same size as iPhone 5, and I didn't find that to be much of a turn-off.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on September 20, 2013, 11:42:17 AM
Getting use to ios7
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Grey Fox on September 20, 2013, 11:50:26 AM
Quote from: Tamas on September 20, 2013, 10:56:52 AM
Quote from: DGuller on September 20, 2013, 08:40:42 AM
Trigger pulled.  :ph34r:

:(

How much smaller the 5S is than the Galaxy S4? Because you can make pancakes on the latter.

It's much narrower than the S4, about the same length.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: sbr on September 20, 2013, 12:01:01 PM
Quote from: DGuller on September 20, 2013, 08:30:43 AM
Is total phone protection worth getting for $10 a month?  It seems like over the 2 years, you'll be shelling out half the value of the phone after the application of $169 deductible.

I pay the ~$7 a month f or the insurance.  After ~14 years of no problems with cell phones I had a horrible run on luck last year.  In October I dropped my phone on the ground, it hit the pavement perfectly flat on the screen and shattered the whole thing.  I got a new one for $100.  Then  weeks later my phone was stolen and I got another new one for $100.  The screen on that one ended up breaking also, but I toughed it out until I was eligible for an upgrade in August.

I would have been out a lot more than the ~$350 I ispent in insurance and deductibles if I hadn't had it.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Josquius on September 20, 2013, 12:24:35 PM
ios7: :bleeding:
Everything looks like it was drawn by a 4 year old.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on September 20, 2013, 02:33:00 PM
My ipod's battery life sucks ass after updating to ios7. 

E:  I finally got it to connect to my network to DL a battery monitor app.  The thing was unplugged from the charger at 4:53pm, 100%, and has been on standby most of the time since with the exception of a reboot, connection to the network, and poking around in the app store for the battery thing.  It's 8:20pm.  Battery is at 60%.  That's not good.  This thing wouldn't make it through a work day when it's only used in the car (driving to/from work, on standby the rest of the time).

E2:  10:12, 35%.  Been asleep/on standby since the last update.  wtf man
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Josquius on September 21, 2013, 01:25:53 AM
And it seems you can't do a quick web search or wiki lookup anymore. If ios7 makes anything better I haven't noticed it
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on September 21, 2013, 03:25:47 AM
Quote from: Tyr on September 21, 2013, 01:25:53 AM
And it seems you can't do a quick web search or wiki lookup anymore. If ios7 makes anything better I haven't noticed it

Played with the girlfriend's iPhone tonight; the one and only non-cosmetic "improvement" (and considering none of us like the cosmetic changes, I use the term very loosely) that I've noticed is the fact that folders can now have multiple pages, so you can get more than 9 items into them.

Girlfriend: "They made the keyboard better!  Look at this!"  I pull out my iPhone, put it next to hers and show her that the changes are purely coloring and there's no change to the layout, size, or spacing.

Girlfriend: "They made Safari better!  You can save pages now!"  Me: "You mean like a bookmark?  Here's me bookmarking a page." 

Girlfriend: "You can have tabs in Safari now!"  Me (considering the effect on memory and battery life multiple browser tabs will have): "...Sure."  Anyway, Chrome's done tabs for a while if you absolutely need them on a mobile device.  Oh, and the funny thing is, up to probably a year ago, she was completely anti-tabs.

Girlfriend: "But does yours have this button?" *clicks flashlight*  Me: "I've had this app for months now.  BTW, my flashlight app's button is bigger and easier to hit than yours."

iOS7's not looking wonderful in my book.  Unfortunately, since my phone's wifi adapter fucked up and I have to take it to an Apple store tomorrow, they may very well fuck with it and try to force me to update.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Josquius on September 21, 2013, 10:39:45 AM
Couldn't you have safari tabs before ? In sure I used to have loads at a time.

Which button is the flashlight? My light got stuck on randomly, the only way I could figure to turn it off was to turn on the camera. Thought it was a weird glitch, not a feature.

I shouldn't have so casually pressed ok when my phone announced it wanted to update :(
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on September 21, 2013, 10:45:42 AM
Yeah, so the battery totally discharges overnight.  What's the point of a mobile device that has to be plugged in all the time?  My phone lasts longer than the ipod now, and it has a quad core processor with Android OS and everything turned on, and I actually use it a lot more.  The two aren't even remotely comparable on standby.  Downside with the phone is it has Beats Audio, which fucks the sound up.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on September 21, 2013, 11:00:51 AM
How old is the iPod?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on September 21, 2013, 11:20:41 AM
About two months. It's a fifth generation touch. Everything started to suck when I installed 7.  How does one go about rolling back the os on an apple product?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on September 21, 2013, 11:28:05 AM
Eh how about trying to reduce battery drain by turning off certain things first? :P
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on September 21, 2013, 11:31:02 AM
 http://osxdaily.com/2013/09/19/ios-7-battery-life-fix/     (http://osxdaily.com/2013/09/19/ios-7-battery-life-fix/)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on September 21, 2013, 11:36:48 AM
Quote from: katmai on September 21, 2013, 11:28:05 AM
Eh how about trying to reduce battery drain by turning off certain things first? :P

Everything except wifi is off, and it didn't change things significantly when that was off as well, which also had the effect of making it a slightly bigger/prettier nano.  Absolutely unacceptable. 

I've already read that article.  It didn't help.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on September 21, 2013, 11:46:50 AM
Ah well sucks to be you then MBM. :P
Sorry having problems. The upgrade went fine on my iphone 5 and on my old 4 that my dad has.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on September 21, 2013, 11:52:23 AM
 <_< 

I'm going to factory reset this Apple piece of shit.  It just has to charge enough to turn on first.  :rolleyes:

E:  I wish it was "only" 50 minutes lost when using it.  Right now, my standby battery life seems to be about what it was when it was being used all the time.  Something isn't letting it actually go to "sleep."  Hopefully the factory reset will fix that.   

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.arstechnica.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2FiOS-7-review.006.png&hash=d30f1cc8d8d894cf038ff78447a574a4438226c4)

I might just have a retarded mp3 player.  Check out those iPhone 5 numbers.  That's a lot of time there.

http://arstechnica.com/apple/2013/09/ios-7-thoroughly-reviewed/6/
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: mongers on September 21, 2013, 02:44:03 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 20, 2013, 02:33:00 PM
My ipod's battery life sucks ass after updating to ios7. 

E:  I finally got it to connect to my network to DL a battery monitor app.  The thing was unplugged from the charger at 4:53pm, 100%, and has been on standby most of the time since with the exception of a reboot, connection to the network, and poking around in the app store for the battery thing.  It's 8:20pm.  Battery is at 60%.  That's not good.  This thing wouldn't make it through a work day when it's only used in the car (driving to/from work, on standby the rest of the time).

E2:  10:12, 35%.  Been asleep/on standby since the last update.  wtf man

It's the old holding it the wrong way problem, you handed over extra money for a 'premium' product and now you're holding it instead of the cash. 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on September 21, 2013, 08:03:59 PM
ios7 sucks balls.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on September 21, 2013, 08:06:13 PM
I turned off Bluetooth, which for some reason it defaulted to on, and that improved performance a bit.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Tonitrus on September 21, 2013, 08:10:59 PM
When my current contract is up, I think I'm going to try out a Windows phone.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on September 22, 2013, 10:10:54 AM
I don't like the new graphics for the icons and the texting.  Too European, all curves and whiteness.  Feels like a Scandiweenie jizzed all over my stuff.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on September 22, 2013, 08:20:06 PM
OK, ios7 has one benefit:  you can finally hide that stupid ass newsstand.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Tonitrus on September 22, 2013, 08:33:47 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 22, 2013, 10:10:54 AM
I don't like the new graphics for the icons and the texting.  Too European, all curves and whiteness.  Feels like a Scandiweenie jizzed all over my stuff.

Setting my alarm clock time now makes me feel like I'm on Price is Right.  :mad:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Tamas on September 23, 2013, 07:37:16 AM
I have bought a Space Grey 5S.  :blush: My ethics and values have been: compromised  :Embarrass:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on September 23, 2013, 08:06:13 AM
Quote from: Tamas on September 23, 2013, 07:37:16 AM
I have bought a Space Grey 5S.  :blush: My ethics and values have been: compromised  :Embarrass:
:hug:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on September 26, 2013, 02:34:22 PM
I just got a 5 through my work. Am I: applehead? :(
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on September 26, 2013, 02:38:14 PM
I got my 5s in the mail yesterday.  :yeah: Unfortunately, after I had my dinner, I forgot all about it, so it's still there in the box.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2013, 04:32:45 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 26, 2013, 02:34:22 PM
I just got a 5 through my work. Am I: applehead? :(

If it was issued to you and you're required to use it, you're a hipster under duress.
If you bought it through the company to get a discount, you're a cost-conscious hipster.

Then again, you're gay, so you can't conceivably be a hipster, as gayness transcends hipsterism.  It's like a whole different level.  Like if gay culture had a supremacy clause, preempting hipsterism at the state level.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on September 26, 2013, 04:55:35 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2013, 04:32:45 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 26, 2013, 02:34:22 PM
I just got a 5 through my work. Am I: applehead? :(

If it was issued to you and you're required to use it, you're a hipster under duress.
If you bought it through the company to get a discount, you're a cost-conscious hipster.

Then again, you're gay, so you can't conceivably be a hipster, as gayness transcends hipsterism.  It's like a whole different level.  Like if gay culture had a supremacy clause, preempting hipsterism at the state level.

Door number 1. I still have my personal cell with only a numberpad.

Actually I do believe that one can be a gay hipster. I don't know though that embracing apple products is enough to make the leap when gay.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2013, 06:08:22 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 26, 2013, 04:55:35 PM
Actually I do believe that one can be a gay hipster. I don't know though that embracing apple products is enough to make the leap when gay.

Probably wouldn't move the needle at all.  :)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on September 27, 2013, 01:32:51 PM
My iPhone 5s went live!  :w00t:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on September 27, 2013, 01:40:46 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 26, 2013, 06:08:22 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 26, 2013, 04:55:35 PM
Actually I do believe that one can be a gay hipster. I don't know though that embracing apple products is enough to make the leap when gay.

Probably wouldn't move the needle at all.  :)

I found a lovely picture of Wonder Woman that someone did in the style of Lichtenstein for a background.

http://nicolasbrondo.deviantart.com/art/Wonder-Lichtenstein-266354965
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on September 27, 2013, 06:28:30 PM
I prefer Wonder Woman bondage motifs.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on September 27, 2013, 07:45:04 PM
Whereas I prefer:

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg260%2F439%2Fhillaryacm8.jpg&hash=97084999527549dd0072d25a1e0bb68581d10720)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on September 30, 2013, 08:04:46 PM
 :mad:  Still doing it after a factory reset:

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi43.tinypic.com%2Fv3em42.jpg&hash=1b216c809b188ea266308a60c17cd930906a7d3d)

I haven't actually used "messages" and Safari, so I'm not sure what that's all about, but the major things are a) the battery meter in the top right, then b) the usage time since it was charged.   Also, it still won't stay connected to either of the wireless networks present in my house. 

"It just works."

This piece of shit doesn't last more than an hour if I'm actually using it, down from...I don't even know because the damn battery never died before the update.  What the hell did they do to iOS7 that fucked this thing up like this?

E:  Correction:  It won't stay connected to my Netgear router.  It won't connect at all to my Uverse router.  It took a firmware update to get it "working" on the Netgear, which is fuckin retarded.

E2: Test 2:  Airplane mode gives even worse results.  Battery is in the red and giving warnings after 6 hours, 2 minutes on standby and 3 minutes of usage.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on September 30, 2013, 11:15:57 PM
Freaky!

I've run into my first problem, my deleted voicemails won't go away. When i try to clear out the area they disappear, but as soon as someone leaves the next voicmail they all keep reappearing. :lol:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on October 12, 2013, 01:54:47 PM
That iPhone battery charge is something.  I can go a week without recharging it.  My old Bionic barely lasted a day with the same kind of usage.  I know some of it is due to the opposite extremes of battery cycle life of the two phones, but I don't think my Bionic could ever go for more than three days on one charge even when new.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on October 12, 2013, 02:12:55 PM
Do you not use your phone? Mine might last a day or so.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on October 12, 2013, 02:18:06 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 12, 2013, 02:12:55 PM
Do you not use your phone? Mine might last a day or so.
I'm not a heavy user, and I don't use it as a music player, but I do use it for basic phone/text functions, various location-based functions, and some occasional Internet surfing.  In any case, my usage is the same for the old and new phone.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on October 12, 2013, 02:22:15 PM
I guess my low level of use might accentuate the difference due pure maintenance energy use between Bionic and iPhone, if there are any.  Maybe if the large chunk of battery drain were due to active app use, then those differences might largely disappear.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: ulmont on October 12, 2013, 04:50:41 PM
I only get about four hours out of my iPhone 4S, but that's with heavy Internet use.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on October 12, 2013, 10:37:04 PM
Apple really, really tries to optimize battery use across all it's devices, but obviously any optimizations they do vanish in the case of heavy use.

My iPod Touch can go 4-5 days with light use, or can be drained in under a day if I go and do something intense like watch a streamed hockey game on it.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on October 22, 2013, 03:30:29 PM
New Mac Pro pricing announced.  Starts at $2,999.  Too rich for my blood. :weep:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Josephus on October 22, 2013, 06:34:08 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 22, 2013, 03:30:29 PM
New Mac Pro pricing announced.  Starts at $2,999.  Too rich for my blood. :weep:

isn't that like a day's wage for you?  :D

Nah, i think they're aiming towards businesses and high-end users for that kind of price.

anyways, I see they released Maverick for free....
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Duque de Bragança on October 24, 2013, 09:11:20 AM
Quote from: Josephus on October 22, 2013, 06:34:08 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 22, 2013, 03:30:29 PM
New Mac Pro pricing announced.  Starts at $2,999.  Too rich for my blood. :weep:

isn't that like a day's wage for you?  :D

Nah, i think they're aiming towards businesses and high-end users for that kind of price.

anyways, I see they released Maverick for free....

Yep, a great surprise!
Apple might be fed up a bit of Snow Leopard i.e Mac OS X Windows XP.
As for the Mac Pro, at least there's a new one. Pricing is comparable to Mac Pros before so yes expensive. Hopefully, the quality is there, as before.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on October 24, 2013, 09:20:46 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on October 24, 2013, 09:11:20 AM
Quote from: Josephus on October 22, 2013, 06:34:08 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 22, 2013, 03:30:29 PM
New Mac Pro pricing announced.  Starts at $2,999.  Too rich for my blood. :weep:

isn't that like a day's wage for you?  :D

Nah, i think they're aiming towards businesses and high-end users for that kind of price.

anyways, I see they released Maverick for free....

Yep, a great surprise!
Apple might be fed up a bit of Snow Leopard i.e Mac OS X Windows XP.
As for the Mac Pro, at least there's a new one. Pricing is comparable to Mac Pros before so yes expensive. Hopefully, the quality is there, as before.

What's this about Snow Leopard being equivalent to Windows XP?

And I bought my '08 Mac Pro for just a hair over $2,000, which was what I was hoping to get a new one for.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Duque de Bragança on October 24, 2013, 09:34:28 AM
Quote from: Barrister on October 24, 2013, 09:20:46 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on October 24, 2013, 09:11:20 AM
Quote from: Josephus on October 22, 2013, 06:34:08 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 22, 2013, 03:30:29 PM
New Mac Pro pricing announced.  Starts at $2,999.  Too rich for my blood. :weep:

isn't that like a day's wage for you?  :D

Nah, i think they're aiming towards businesses and high-end users for that kind of price.

anyways, I see they released Maverick for free....

Yep, a great surprise!
Apple might be fed up a bit of Snow Leopard i.e Mac OS X Windows XP.
As for the Mac Pro, at least there's a new one. Pricing is comparable to Mac Pros before so yes expensive. Hopefully, the quality is there, as before.

What's this about Snow Leopard being equivalent to Windows XP?

And I bought my '08 Mac Pro for just a hair over $2,000, which was what I was hoping to get a new one for.

Not equivalent, but the safe OS still living on and hurting the sales of following OSes.
It's 3000 EUROS here so stop complaining.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on October 24, 2013, 04:28:18 PM
Huh, I didn't realize that Mavericks was a free upgrade to any version of OS X going back to Snow Leopard.

While I had dutifully upgraded my Mac from  Leopard to Snow Leopard and then Lion, I didn't bother to upgrade to Mountain Lion.  But I guess now I don't have to. :)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: HVC on November 30, 2013, 05:49:01 PM
Got the new iPhone 5s. Like it so far. I know the thumb scan log on isn't the most secure, but it is convenient
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on December 02, 2013, 01:41:59 AM
I put my iPhone ear buds through the washer and dryer.  :cry:  That can't be good for them.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Tamas on December 02, 2013, 09:23:24 AM
Quote from: HVC on November 30, 2013, 05:49:01 PM
Got the new iPhone 5s. Like it so far. I know the thumb scan log on isn't the most secure, but it is convenient

How is it not more secure than having your greasiest fingerprints on the display above the numbers of your pin code?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: HVC on December 02, 2013, 08:41:39 PM
Quote from: Tamas on December 02, 2013, 09:23:24 AM
Quote from: HVC on November 30, 2013, 05:49:01 PM
Got the new iPhone 5s. Like it so far. I know the thumb scan log on isn't the most secure, but it is convenient

How is it not more secure than having your greasiest fingerprints on the display above the numbers of your pin code?
they know the numbers, but not the sequence, so it's still secure. There's thumb scan hack tutorials out there already. But really, it's not like I have classified information or anything on my phone :lol:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on December 02, 2013, 09:02:28 PM
Quote from: HVC on December 02, 2013, 08:41:39 PM
Quote from: Tamas on December 02, 2013, 09:23:24 AM
Quote from: HVC on November 30, 2013, 05:49:01 PM
Got the new iPhone 5s. Like it so far. I know the thumb scan log on isn't the most secure, but it is convenient

How is it not more secure than having your greasiest fingerprints on the display above the numbers of your pin code?
they know the numbers, but not the sequence, so it's still secure. There's thumb scan hack tutorials out there already. But really, it's not like I have classified information or anything on my phone :lol:
Well, there are only 24 possible sequences of four digits.  How many attempts do you get before something bad happens?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: HVC on December 02, 2013, 09:10:44 PM

Not sure when it locks (if it does) but you can set it to delete all info after 10 attempts.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: HVC on December 02, 2013, 09:19:38 PM
Playing around and after 6 failed attempts it locks for 1 minute, 5 on the 7th attempt. Didn't want to try an 8th.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on December 03, 2013, 05:05:21 AM
I really don't understand why it is so difficult for Apple to make phones with bigger screens.  Others have big screens for years now.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on December 03, 2013, 02:13:16 PM
I like the screen size for the 4s, one of the reasons why I didn't go for a 5.  Things are too damned big these days.
I need a bigger screen, I use the iPad.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on December 03, 2013, 03:41:07 PM
iPhones are hilariously puny when it comes to screen size.  Just an increase to "normal" size, just another .5-.7 inch or so, would help them out a lot.  Just have that as another, more expensive, option.  People who want a smaller phone can get one.  People who want more screen real estate can have that.  Hooray!
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on December 03, 2013, 03:46:49 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 03, 2013, 03:41:07 PM
iPhones are hilariously puny when it comes to screen size.  Just an increase to "normal" size, just another .5-.7 inch or so, would help them out a lot.  Just have that as another, more expensive, option.  People who want a smaller phone can get one.  People who want more screen real estate can have that.  Hooray!

Apple has been very strict about wanting to avoid fragmentation - that app writers do not need to re-write their apps for each new version.

When they went to a "retina" screen they doubled the pixel density.  Old apps could still run, they just doubled each pixel.

When they expanded to a new longer screen old apps could still run - they just had a black bar at the top and bottom.

So the problem is there is no easy way to make a marginal screen increase backwards compatible.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on December 03, 2013, 03:54:19 PM
Hm.  Sounds like Apple bullshit to me.  Like when that Apple marketing guy tried to say wireless charging is more complicated than using a standard charger.  It isn't.  Ever.  What kind of fucking moron finds it more complicated to set a phone on something vs. plugging it in?  Neither is a particularly complex task, but one involves setting it down and walking away.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on December 03, 2013, 03:57:11 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 03, 2013, 03:54:19 PM
Hm.  Sounds like Apple bullshit to me.  Like when that Apple marketing guy tried to say wireless charging is more complicated than using a standard charger.  What kind of fucking moron finds it more complicated to set a phone on something vs. plugging it in?  Neither is a particularly complex task, but one involves setting it down and walking away.

Nah - Apple bullshit was when they tried to tell people 'we designed this so you can reach the entire width of the screen using your thumb' as a reason why they wouldn't build a bigger phone.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on December 03, 2013, 03:58:18 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 03, 2013, 03:57:11 PM
Nah - Apple bullshit was when they tried to tell people 'we designed this so you can reach the entire width of the screen using your thumb' as a reason why they wouldn't build a bigger phone.

Those were the best commercials ever. 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on December 03, 2013, 05:44:37 PM
I actually like the screen size the way it is on 5s, which is noticeably smaller than the screen size on Droid Bionic.  There is a balance to be struck there, it's not a race towards the biggest size.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on December 03, 2013, 08:59:44 PM
Some people like bigger screens and some people don't.  Samsung offers all sorts of screen sizes for consumers to choose.  Apple doesn't, and I think that's not very sensible. 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on December 03, 2013, 10:00:16 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on December 03, 2013, 08:59:44 PM
Some people like bigger screens and some people don't.  Samsung offers all sorts of screen sizes for consumers to choose.  Apple doesn't, and I think that's not very sensible.
There are advantages and disadvantages to uniformity.  Given Apple's business model, uniformity makes sense.  Choice is not the unambiguous good that it's made out to be.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on December 03, 2013, 10:24:36 PM
Is that why they have many different versions of mp3/touchpad devices?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on December 04, 2013, 12:51:47 AM
Quote from: garbon on December 03, 2013, 10:24:36 PM
Is that why they have many different versions of mp3/touchpad devices?

:unsure:

iPod:

iPod shuffle
iPod nano
iPod touch
iPod classic

iPhone:

iPhone 5s
iPhone 5c
iPhone 4s

iPad:

iPad air
iPad mini

Nine items.  Now try comparing Samsung's product line.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on December 04, 2013, 09:01:14 AM
So why is it that they can't make a large size iPhone again?

E: Again, that's large, not gigantic.  I'm not talking about Note/G Pro size.  I mean 4.5 - 4.7."  Somewhere in there.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Tamas on December 04, 2013, 10:15:46 AM
One of the specific reasons for me to buy the 5S was that I did not want a bigger screen.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on December 04, 2013, 10:17:00 AM
Quote from: Barrister on December 04, 2013, 12:51:47 AM
Quote from: garbon on December 03, 2013, 10:24:36 PM
Is that why they have many different versions of mp3/touchpad devices?

:unsure:

iPod:

iPod shuffle
iPod nano
iPod touch
iPod classic

iPhone:

iPhone 5s
iPhone 5c
iPhone 4s

iPad:

iPad air
iPad mini

Nine items.  Now try comparing Samsung's product line.

Ah, you're right. Against strategy to make products in the same line with different size screens. ;)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on December 04, 2013, 02:55:17 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 04, 2013, 12:51:47 AM
:unsure:

iPod:

iPod shuffle
iPod nano
iPod touch
iPod classic

iPhone:

iPhone 5s
iPhone 5c
iPhone 4s

iPad:

iPad air
iPad mini

Nine items.  Now try comparing Samsung's product line.

Corrected list:

iPod Shuffle
iPod Nano
iPod Touch - 16GB, 32GB, 64GB
iPod Classic
iPhone 5S - 16GB, 32GB, 64GB
iPhone 5C - 16GB, 32GB
iPad Air - 16GB, 32GB, 64GB, 128GB
iPad Air + Cellular - 16GB, 32GB, 64GB, 128GB
iPad 2
iPad 2 + 3G
iPad Mini Retina - 16GB, 32GB, 64GB, 128GB
iPad Mini Retina + Cellular - 16GB, 32GB, 64GB, 128GB
iPad Mini

13 items without counting variations.  30 without.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on December 05, 2013, 12:49:03 PM
Found in my email inbox:

QuoteEven though your contract with Rogers has not expired, we would like to move you over to the Telus contract since we have the money this fiscal to buy new devices.

Your choices for a new device are the iPhone 5S, BB Z10 or BB Q10.

Let me know which device you would like.

:yeah: :yeah: :yeah:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Grey Fox on December 05, 2013, 01:03:31 PM
Nice, BB.

Q10 AM I RITE?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: HVC on December 05, 2013, 08:49:33 PM
You'll like the 5s
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on December 11, 2013, 06:50:33 AM
We're getting an iPad at work. Can you have two accounts on one iPad? If so I'm selling my own.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on December 11, 2013, 03:58:37 PM
Quote from: Liep on December 11, 2013, 06:50:33 AM
We're getting an iPad at work. Can you have two accounts on one iPad? If so I'm selling my own.

I don't believe you can.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on December 11, 2013, 04:15:55 PM
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/how-to/apple/3451771/how-change-apple-id-on-iphone/

QuoteIf you're switching IDs because you were using a shared family ID and want your own individual one, there are a couple of pitfalls to watch out for. Any purchases made the old ID will remain on the iPhone or iPad, but you'll need to enter the old ID password to get updates for those apps.

Also, if you ever reset the phone or delete apps, songs or videos bought from the iTunes store, you'll need that old ID in order to download them again.

I saw this for the phone but I don't know if that relates to iPads. Also kinda of doesn't really seem like using separate accounts given that all apps remain in place.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on December 11, 2013, 04:28:13 PM
Sounds like a lot of hassle, I'll be better off selling my iPad and just re-purchase the apps.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on December 11, 2013, 06:00:49 PM
I saw Apple has a page that mentions many times people don't realize they have multiple apple IDs. In response to being asked if they can be merged...Apple said no. :D
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on December 12, 2013, 05:17:40 PM
Just heard that we can use our own apple ids and download the company apps we need via a citrix app. Interesting.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on December 16, 2013, 05:07:15 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 05, 2013, 12:49:03 PM
Found in my email inbox:

QuoteEven though your contract with Rogers has not expired, we would like to move you over to the Telus contract since we have the money this fiscal to buy new devices.

Your choices for a new device are the iPhone 5S, BB Z10 or BB Q10.

Let me know which device you would like.

:yeah: :yeah: :yeah:

It has: arrived.  :cool:

White, 16GB.  At least it's not gold.  I can live with white.  And since it's a work phone I can hardly complain about lack of storage for games.

And it has the pretty silver ring around the home button.  My precious...  :ph34r:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on December 16, 2013, 07:58:47 PM
My iPad also arrived. With it a near useless manual to install apps via Citrix. Also, the apps constantly crash. But it's still better than carrying around 2000 pages of rules, regulations and infrastructure plans.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on December 17, 2013, 01:58:08 AM
Oh my God, it's full of stars...
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on December 17, 2013, 03:27:19 PM
So I want to give a quick iPhone 5s review, but I hardly have a proper frame of reference.  I've never used an android phone, and because this was a work phone, andriod was not an option (see a few posts above).  All I can compare this to is my 3 year old BB Bold, and my iPod Touch.

Obviously, it's a lot like my touch.  I'm pretty familiar with the basic interface by now, but this is obviously much quicker and more responsive.  The screen is beautiful, and the fingerprint scanner works very well.  It seems odd though I have to press the button, then hold my finger for several seconds.

Interface for emails and messages is miles better than my old BB - I can fly through those things like nobodies business.

It was very lucky I had by accident linked my iTunes account to my work email several months ago.  That meant I could load all my apps and songs onto the new phone. :thumbsup:

I'm very happy with it.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: HVC on December 18, 2013, 08:51:57 AM
If it's taking several seconds try redoing the finger scan setup.  Mine loads instantaneously.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on December 18, 2013, 09:04:31 AM
Quote from: Barrister on December 17, 2013, 03:27:19 PM
So I want to give a quick iPhone 5s review, but I hardly have a proper frame of reference.  I've never used an android phone, and because this was a work phone, andriod was not an option (see a few posts above).  All I can compare this to is my 3 year old BB Bold, and my iPod Touch.

Obviously, it's a lot like my touch.  I'm pretty familiar with the basic interface by now, but this is obviously much quicker and more responsive.  The screen is beautiful, and the fingerprint scanner works very well.  It seems odd though I have to press the button, then hold my finger for several seconds.

Interface for emails and messages is miles better than my old BB - I can fly through those things like nobodies business.

It was very lucky I had by accident linked my iTunes account to my work email several months ago.  That meant I could load all my apps and songs onto the new phone. :thumbsup:

I'm very happy with it.
You don't actually have to press the home button to get in by fingerprint.  Just hold your finger on the button.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on December 18, 2013, 10:22:46 AM
The horribly overpriced garbage can new Mac Pro comes out tomorrow (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2013/12/18All-New-Mac-Pro-Available-Starting-Tomorrow.html):

QuoteThe Mac Pro is available with a 3.7 GHz quad-core Intel Xeon E5 processor with Turbo Boost speeds up to 3.9 GHz, dual AMD FirePro D300 GPUs with 2GB of VRAM each, 12GB of memory, and 256GB of PCIe-based flash storage starting at $2,999 (US); and with a 3.5 GHz 6-core Intel Xeon E5 processor with Turbo Boost speeds up to 3.9 GHz, dual AMD FirePro D500 GPUs with 3GB of VRAM each, 16GB of memory, and 256GB of PCIe-based flash storage starting at $3,999 (US). Configure-to-order options include faster 8-core or 12-core Intel Xeon E5 processors, AMD FirePro D700 GPUs with 6GB of VRAM, up to 64GB of memory, and up to 1TB of PCIe-based flash storage. Additional technical specifications, configure-to-order options and accessories are available online at www.apple.com/mac-pro.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on December 18, 2013, 12:49:26 PM
Quote from: DGuller on December 18, 2013, 09:04:31 AM
Quote from: Barrister on December 17, 2013, 03:27:19 PM
So I want to give a quick iPhone 5s review, but I hardly have a proper frame of reference.  I've never used an android phone, and because this was a work phone, andriod was not an option (see a few posts above).  All I can compare this to is my 3 year old BB Bold, and my iPod Touch.

Obviously, it's a lot like my touch.  I'm pretty familiar with the basic interface by now, but this is obviously much quicker and more responsive.  The screen is beautiful, and the fingerprint scanner works very well.  It seems odd though I have to press the button, then hold my finger for several seconds.

Interface for emails and messages is miles better than my old BB - I can fly through those things like nobodies business.

It was very lucky I had by accident linked my iTunes account to my work email several months ago.  That meant I could load all my apps and songs onto the new phone. :thumbsup:

I'm very happy with it.
You don't actually have to press the home button to get in by fingerprint.  Just hold your finger on the button.

Nope - I definitely have to press, then hold.  BUt only for about one second (not the several seconds I said before).
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: OttoVonBismarck on December 18, 2013, 01:04:20 PM
I have the 5S as well BB, I'm a big fan so far. It's my first Apple phone and probably my favorite smart phone that I've had.

I had a Blackberry Tour that I really liked, and liked the physical keyboard and the screen was big enough for my purposes. But when I switched from that to a Motorola Atrix I realized the physical keyboard was overrated and there were a lot of nice features in Android that BlackBerry did not have. The one thing I will mention, the Motorola Atrix had a fingerprint scanner as well and may have been the first smart phone to offer this feature (this was in 2010 or so.) I never used it because it was painfully buggy, took 5-6 swipes every time and just was a general headache.

I appreciate that Apple didn't just throw the fingerprint scanner onto their phone as a gimmick that doesn't really work. So far mine has worked exceptionally well, the only time it just won't work is after I get out of the shower which makes sense given my finger surface is different at that time.

After my 2 year contract expired I traded my Atrix in for a Lumia 1020 mainly out of Microsoft loyalty and I had read good things about WP8. The Lumia was actually a very good smart phone, and also had a really big screen. WP8 itself works great in my opinion, and despite the smaller size of its app store you can mostly get anything you'd need on WP8. The problem is, that has been achieved by Microsoft actually developing its own version of popular apps when the app developers choose not to put in the effort of doing it themselves. For example Microsoft basically wrote the Windows Phone Spotify app because Spotify didn't want to write one. However, it's horribly broken. Many of the Microsoft written third party apps are like that, they have the veneer of providing a Windows Phone version of a popular app but end up being bug ridden shit piles.

When I dropped the Lumia into a lake right around the time the 5S launched I decided it was a good time to give Apple a try after I'd survived its initial popularity/craze back when the iPhone first came out. I don't miss the larger screen size at all, and in many ways I find the smaller screen size on the 5S to be more convenient in several ways than the Lumia.

I think it really depends on your use case. Some people watch movies and read books on their smartphone, but I have actual books, an iPad, and a home theater so I don't have any desire to do that stuff on a smart phone whether it has a 3.5" or 5" screen.

The iOS 7 rollout also has me convinced that some large portion of people will call any new version of software "shit" if it makes any major interface changes, when the new software is actually better in pretty much every way. When I updated my iPad to iOS 7 there wasn't a single issue I had, and I've generally liked the new interface better than the old one. I never understood all the complaints about iOS 7.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: HVC on December 18, 2013, 03:24:16 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 18, 2013, 12:49:26 PM
Quote from: DGuller on December 18, 2013, 09:04:31 AM
Quote from: Barrister on December 17, 2013, 03:27:19 PM
So I want to give a quick iPhone 5s review, but I hardly have a proper frame of reference.  I've never used an android phone, and because this was a work phone, andriod was not an option (see a few posts above).  All I can compare this to is my 3 year old BB Bold, and my iPod Touch.

Obviously, it's a lot like my touch.  I'm pretty familiar with the basic interface by now, but this is obviously much quicker and more responsive.  The screen is beautiful, and the fingerprint scanner works very well.  It seems odd though I have to press the button, then hold my finger for several seconds.

Interface for emails and messages is miles better than my old BB - I can fly through those things like nobodies business.

It was very lucky I had by accident linked my iTunes account to my work email several months ago.  That meant I could load all my apps and songs onto the new phone. :thumbsup:

I'm very happy with it.
You don't actually have to press the home button to get in by fingerprint.  Just hold your finger on the button.

Nope - I definitely have to press, then hold.  BUt only for about one second (not the several seconds I said before).
you just have to click and place, not keep holding down. At least I don't have to.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on December 18, 2013, 03:31:10 PM
Quote from: HVC on December 18, 2013, 03:24:16 PM
you just have to click and place, not keep holding down. At least I don't have to.

Yes.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on December 18, 2013, 08:07:44 PM
I don't even have to click or press, I just lay my finger on top of the button and wait 1-2 seconds.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: OttoVonBismarck on December 18, 2013, 08:30:42 PM
On mine, the phone's screen stays black if you just rest the finger on it. You have to click once to "wake up" the screen, then you can just hold your finger on the sensor and it scans. Do you wake your screen up by hitting the power button first, then place your finger on the home button?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on December 18, 2013, 09:00:14 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on December 18, 2013, 08:30:42 PM
On mine, the phone's screen stays black if you just rest the finger on it. You have to click once to "wake up" the screen, then you can just hold your finger on the sensor and it scans. Do you wake your screen up by hitting the power button first, then place your finger on the home button?
Doh, you're right, I do wake it first by clicking the home button.  I didn't realize I was doing it until I tried it just now.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Tonitrus on December 19, 2013, 06:38:15 PM
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on December 18, 2013, 10:22:46 AM
The horribly overpriced garbage can new Mac Pro comes out tomorrow (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2013/12/18All-New-Mac-Pro-Available-Starting-Tomorrow.html):

QuoteThe Mac Pro is available with a 3.7 GHz quad-core Intel Xeon E5 processor with Turbo Boost speeds up to 3.9 GHz, dual AMD FirePro D300 GPUs with 2GB of VRAM each, 12GB of memory, and 256GB of PCIe-based flash storage starting at $2,999 (US); and with a 3.5 GHz 6-core Intel Xeon E5 processor with Turbo Boost speeds up to 3.9 GHz, dual AMD FirePro D500 GPUs with 3GB of VRAM each, 16GB of memory, and 256GB of PCIe-based flash storage starting at $3,999 (US). Configure-to-order options include faster 8-core or 12-core Intel Xeon E5 processors, AMD FirePro D700 GPUs with 6GB of VRAM, up to 64GB of memory, and up to 1TB of PCIe-based flash storage. Additional technical specifications, configure-to-order options and accessories are available online at www.apple.com/mac-pro.

Maybe I should go all 1%-er and get one!  :w00t:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on December 19, 2013, 07:17:00 PM
I'm not getting one.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on December 20, 2013, 02:00:29 AM
Quote from: Tonitrus on December 19, 2013, 06:38:15 PM
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on December 18, 2013, 10:22:46 AM
The horribly overpriced garbage can new Mac Pro comes out tomorrow (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2013/12/18All-New-Mac-Pro-Available-Starting-Tomorrow.html):

QuoteThe Mac Pro is available with a 3.7 GHz quad-core Intel Xeon E5 processor with Turbo Boost speeds up to 3.9 GHz, dual AMD FirePro D300 GPUs with 2GB of VRAM each, 12GB of memory, and 256GB of PCIe-based flash storage starting at $2,999 (US); and with a 3.5 GHz 6-core Intel Xeon E5 processor with Turbo Boost speeds up to 3.9 GHz, dual AMD FirePro D500 GPUs with 3GB of VRAM each, 16GB of memory, and 256GB of PCIe-based flash storage starting at $3,999 (US). Configure-to-order options include faster 8-core or 12-core Intel Xeon E5 processors, AMD FirePro D700 GPUs with 6GB of VRAM, up to 64GB of memory, and up to 1TB of PCIe-based flash storage. Additional technical specifications, configure-to-order options and accessories are available online at www.apple.com/mac-pro.

Maybe I should go all 1%-er and get one!  :w00t:

If I win the Lotto Max tomorrow I'm definitely replacing my current Mac Pro with a new one.

Otherwise... pass.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Syt on December 20, 2013, 02:13:33 AM
Our marketing team works with MacPros. I will say one thing for them: the screen is f'ing awesome.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Duque de Bragança on December 20, 2013, 04:45:32 AM
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on December 18, 2013, 10:22:46 AM
The horribly overpriced garbage can new Mac Pro comes out tomorrow (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2013/12/18All-New-Mac-Pro-Available-Starting-Tomorrow.html):

QuoteThe Mac Pro is available with a 3.7 GHz quad-core Intel Xeon E5 processor with Turbo Boost speeds up to 3.9 GHz, dual AMD FirePro D300 GPUs with 2GB of VRAM each, 12GB of memory, and 256GB of PCIe-based flash storage starting at $2,999 (US); and with a 3.5 GHz 6-core Intel Xeon E5 processor with Turbo Boost speeds up to 3.9 GHz, dual AMD FirePro D500 GPUs with 3GB of VRAM each, 16GB of memory, and 256GB of PCIe-based flash storage starting at $3,999 (US). Configure-to-order options include faster 8-core or 12-core Intel Xeon E5 processors, AMD FirePro D700 GPUs with 6GB of VRAM, up to 64GB of memory, and up to 1TB of PCIe-based flash storage. Additional technical specifications, configure-to-order options and accessories are available online at www.apple.com/mac-pro.

This means you can max it out for around 10,000 dollars. :)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Grey Fox on December 20, 2013, 07:03:42 AM
Quote from: Barrister on December 20, 2013, 02:00:29 AM
Quote from: Tonitrus on December 19, 2013, 06:38:15 PM
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on December 18, 2013, 10:22:46 AM
The horribly overpriced garbage can new Mac Pro comes out tomorrow (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2013/12/18All-New-Mac-Pro-Available-Starting-Tomorrow.html):

QuoteThe Mac Pro is available with a 3.7 GHz quad-core Intel Xeon E5 processor with Turbo Boost speeds up to 3.9 GHz, dual AMD FirePro D300 GPUs with 2GB of VRAM each, 12GB of memory, and 256GB of PCIe-based flash storage starting at $2,999 (US); and with a 3.5 GHz 6-core Intel Xeon E5 processor with Turbo Boost speeds up to 3.9 GHz, dual AMD FirePro D500 GPUs with 3GB of VRAM each, 16GB of memory, and 256GB of PCIe-based flash storage starting at $3,999 (US). Configure-to-order options include faster 8-core or 12-core Intel Xeon E5 processors, AMD FirePro D700 GPUs with 6GB of VRAM, up to 64GB of memory, and up to 1TB of PCIe-based flash storage. Additional technical specifications, configure-to-order options and accessories are available online at www.apple.com/mac-pro.

Maybe I should go all 1%-er and get one!  :w00t:

If I win the Lotto Max tomorrow I'm definitely replacing my current Mac Pro with a new one.

Otherwise... pass.

Stay Off, I need it more than you do!
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on December 20, 2013, 09:27:06 AM
Quote from: Syt on December 20, 2013, 02:13:33 AM
Our marketing team works with MacPros. I will say one thing for them: the screen is f'ing awesome.

:huh:

Mac Pro doesn't come with a screen.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Syt on December 20, 2013, 09:58:01 AM
Quote from: Barrister on December 20, 2013, 09:27:06 AM
Quote from: Syt on December 20, 2013, 02:13:33 AM
Our marketing team works with MacPros. I will say one thing for them: the screen is f'ing awesome.

:huh:

Mac Pro doesn't come with a screen.

iMac, then? The screen only things? I'm not up to date on Apple hardware and not sad about it. :P
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on December 20, 2013, 10:43:12 AM
Quote from: Syt on December 20, 2013, 09:58:01 AM
Quote from: Barrister on December 20, 2013, 09:27:06 AM
Quote from: Syt on December 20, 2013, 02:13:33 AM
Our marketing team works with MacPros. I will say one thing for them: the screen is f'ing awesome.

:huh:

Mac Pro doesn't come with a screen.

iMac, then? The screen only things? I'm not up to date on Apple hardware and not sad about it. :P

That would be the iMac, yes.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Syt on December 20, 2013, 10:55:06 AM
So, the picture quality of the iMac screen is pretty awesome! :P
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: OttoVonBismarck on December 22, 2013, 11:23:16 AM
I think the 27" iMac essentially uses the same 27" display you can buy from Apple for use with the MacBooks / Mac Mini / Mac Pro; it uses the thunderbolt port for video and I don't believe it has any others like DVI/HDMI so you can only use it with Apple products (unless they make some sort of adapter?) Obviously the iMac has more housing around the display as it essentially jams in a full notebook computer inside.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Tonitrus on December 22, 2013, 04:58:18 PM
And if one part breaks (i.e. graphics card), you got a really big paperweight.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on December 22, 2013, 06:33:56 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on December 22, 2013, 04:58:18 PM
And if one part breaks (i.e. graphics card), you got a really big paperweight.

Uh, they can be repaired you know.  But you have to send it in, you can't just rip the graphics card out yourself.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Tonitrus on December 22, 2013, 11:04:09 PM
That was a couple years ago...and I was frustrated enough to just go ahead and build a new computer (which I hadn't done in a long time, so that made it nostalgic fun).  I've pretty much gone the "desktop = PC, laptop = Mac" route.  That way I can enjoy both systems.  The MacPro might make a cool desktop, but hard to justify the dollars. 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: OttoVonBismarck on December 23, 2013, 03:04:46 PM
Yes, while it varies from model to model while some Apple computers are very difficult to do any work on yourself all of them can be taken to an Apple Store or mailed in for service. You certainly aren't required to throw one away because a single component fails.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Arvoreen on January 21, 2014, 06:58:42 AM
They do make thunderbolt -> DVI or VGA or HDMI adaptors.  I use a pair of them on my Macbook to run 3 monitors (2 separate + laptop screen) when I'm in the office.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Threviel on January 22, 2014, 01:27:33 PM
So. I ordered a new computer a few days ago. A new iMac, my 2007 one os getting a bit on the slow side. Waiting is a bitch.

27-tums iMac
Maskinvara
3,4 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5, Turbo Boost upp till 3,8 GHz
8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2 x 4 GB
1 TB Fusion Drive
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M med 4 GB GDDR5
Apple Magic Mouse
Apple Keyboard med numerisk del (Svenskt) & Användarhandbok (Svensk)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on January 22, 2014, 03:11:20 PM
That's a nice iMac.  Grats!
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on January 23, 2014, 12:38:39 PM
Oh hey

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/wsj-apple-release-two-iphones-170706110.html

QuoteApple is finally ready to join the rest of the world's smartphone makers by making a bigger iPhone.

The Wall Street Journal says Apple is making an iPhone with a screen that's larger than 4.5-inches. It's also working on a second iPhone with a screen that's bigger than 5-inches.

Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on January 23, 2014, 01:30:42 PM
Yeah rumors are 4.8" and one at about 6"
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on January 23, 2014, 07:59:15 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 23, 2014, 01:30:42 PM
Yeah rumors are 4.8" and one at about 6"

Why the hell would they even introduce the iPad Mini if they were going to make an iPhone that large? :blink:

Of course, a screen size between the 6- and 7-inch mark might strongly tempt me. :blush:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on January 23, 2014, 08:11:53 PM
It'll probably end up a little less than 6 like the Note III.

E:  Although maybe they'll just go straight to 6" and one up Samsung in screen size (at least for the moment) like LG is supposedly doing with the G Pro 2.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on January 23, 2014, 08:36:03 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 23, 2014, 08:11:53 PM
It'll probably end up a little less than 6 like the Note III.

E:  Although maybe they'll just go straight to 6" and one up Samsung in screen size (at least for the moment) like LG is supposedly doing with the G Pro 2.

Sure.  Just hope they don't go overkill; as mentioned; around 7" on up, you've gone from smartphone territory into tablet territory and cut your market share by whatever percentage aren't willing to tote around extra luggage to keep their device on them.  Given the way the average phone fits in the average pocket, I think my own cutoff would probably be somewhere around 6.25"
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on January 23, 2014, 08:42:23 PM
Yeah, that would probably be my absolute max as well.  I've got a phone with a 5.5" screen now, and....well it's pretty damn big.  Anything bigger seems like it would require a headset.  This one is already pretty awkward without one as it is.  Feels like I'm holding a shoebox against my face.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 25, 2014, 02:13:08 AM
Quote from: katmai on January 23, 2014, 01:30:42 PM
Yeah rumors are 4.8" and one at about 6"

Bah.  What bullshit.  The 4s is just the right size.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Duque de Bragança on February 05, 2014, 05:18:35 AM
The latest crime from the stalinist regime!

QuoteNorth Korea goes OSX-like with new operating system
The latest version of the software dumps a Windows-like interface for a Mac-style desktop

http://www.computerworld.co.nz/article/537360/north_korea_goes_osx-like_new_operating_system/ (http://www.computerworld.co.nz/article/537360/north_korea_goes_osx-like_new_operating_system/)

QuoteIf imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, might the folks in Cupertino be pleased when they see the latest version of North Korea's home-grown operating system?

Version 3.0 of Red Star Linux presents users with a radical refresh of its desktop design, one that closely resembles Mac OS X. The new look replaces the Windows 7-like desktop that was used in version 2.0 of the software.

The Korea Computer Center (KCC), a major software development center in Pyongyang, began developing Red Star about a decade ago. Version 2 is 3 years old and version 3 appears to have been released in the middle of last year.

The world has gotten its first look at version 3 thanks to Will Scott, a computer scientist who recently spent a semester teaching at the Pyongyang University of Science and Technology (PUST). The school is North Korea's first foreign-funded university and many of the lecturers come from overseas.

Scott said he bought the operating system at a KCC dealer in the capital city and the screenshots he provided were of the basic version 3 software without any modifications.

While most North Koreans are restricted from accessing the Internet, many can get access to a nationwide intranet through universities and public libraries. The intranet offers websites for domestic institutions and is heavily skewed towards offering information, educational materials such as PDF versions of books and scientific papers, and government propaganda.

Red Star Linux includes a web browser based on Mozilla that has been re-branded "Naenara," or "My country."

It also includes a copy of Wine, a Linux application that provides an environment under which Windows software can be run.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Caliga on February 11, 2014, 11:58:31 AM
Company just gave me an iPhone 5S to replace my Blackberry.  Am I an: Appletard now!
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Grey Fox on February 11, 2014, 12:00:01 PM
No, you will when you buy a mac book tho.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on February 11, 2014, 12:02:40 PM
Quote from: Caliga on February 11, 2014, 11:58:31 AM
Company just gave me an iPhone 5S to replace my Blackberry.  Am I an: Appletard now!

My co-worker just got one too. I was too quick in getting mine and only have the 4s. :weep:

edit: Actually I have a 5 - just not 5S. :blush:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on February 11, 2014, 12:05:01 PM
Quote from: Caliga on February 11, 2014, 11:58:31 AM
Company just gave me an iPhone 5S to replace my Blackberry.  Am I an: Appletard now!

Not yet. :shifty:

Having done the same switch a few months ago, how do you find the iPhone compared to the BB?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Caliga on February 11, 2014, 02:46:28 PM
I barely have had any time to play with it yet, though it's already managed to shock me three times (the first one was bad enough that my hand hurt for a while) so we're not off to the best start. :)  I think maybe it's this lame (and apparently aptly named!) Lightning cable thing that Apple has to have in an effort to be different from everyone else.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on February 11, 2014, 02:48:44 PM
Quote from: Caliga on February 11, 2014, 02:46:28 PM
I barely have had any time to play with it yet, though it's already managed to shock me three times (the first one was bad enough that my hand hurt for a while) so we're not off to the best start. :)  I think maybe it's this lame (and apparently aptly named!) Lightning cable thing that Apple has to have in an effort to be different from everyone else.

It's not the connector- my 4S does the same thing- near as I can figure, the combination of a conductive material for the case with the shallow depth of the power input means it's easy to accidentally put a finger where it shorts the two.  Happens to me at least a couple times a week. <_<
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on February 11, 2014, 02:50:46 PM
What part is shocking you both? :unsure:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on February 11, 2014, 02:55:04 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 11, 2014, 02:50:46 PM
What part is shocking you both? :unsure:

Like I said, it happens when I touch the bottom of the phone, on or right next to the jack.  I'm pretty used to being shocked, though; it even happens to me with Xbox controllers if I accidentally touch the headset jack between the grips.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on February 11, 2014, 06:33:42 PM
Never been shocked by my 5, 4 or 3. fricking weirdos.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on February 11, 2014, 06:58:43 PM
Quote from: katmai on February 11, 2014, 06:33:42 PM
Never been shocked by my 5, 4 or 3. fricking weirdos.
:huh: Same here.  Stop putting your finger in sockets, people.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Caliga on February 11, 2014, 08:18:49 PM
I still haven't had much time to play around with it yet but I'm not really seeing anything different/better than my Galaxy S4 yet, other than the fact that I like the virtual keyboard a little better, and Siri seems a little more intelligent (and is better at understanding my voice) than the Android equivalent thing whose name I forget.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Caliga on February 11, 2014, 08:22:59 PM
Oh, also... someone recommend me a case.  My company used to get holsters with all of the corporate BBs but decided when switching to iPhone that cases were a 'personal decision' so is leaving that up to us (I can expense it though).  I want a holster like with my Blackberry, since I carry my Android in my pocket and carrying two smartphones in the same pocket is a bit ridiculous.

I still have my BB so right now I am wearing that on my belt and carrying a smartphone in each of my front pockets.  I'm Batman. :cool:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on February 11, 2014, 09:00:30 PM
:(
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on February 11, 2014, 09:00:52 PM
Quote from: DGuller on February 11, 2014, 06:58:43 PM
Quote from: katmai on February 11, 2014, 06:33:42 PM
Never been shocked by my 5, 4 or 3. fricking weirdos.
:huh: Same here.  Stop putting your finger in sockets, people.

Make me. :angry:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Caliga on February 11, 2014, 09:04:55 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 11, 2014, 09:00:30 PM
:(
:hmm:

Please be more specific.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on February 11, 2014, 09:09:37 PM
Quote from: Caliga on February 11, 2014, 09:04:55 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 11, 2014, 09:00:30 PM
:(
:hmm:

Please be more specific.

QuoteI want a holster like with my Blackberry, since I carry my Android in my pocket and carrying two smartphones in the same pocket is a bit ridiculous.

I still have my BB so right now I am wearing that on my belt and carrying a smartphone in each of my front pockets.  I'm Batman.

A thousand fashionistas and would-be fashionistas cried out in horror and then were silenced.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on February 11, 2014, 09:28:17 PM
I honestly don't see many iPhone holsters on the shelves, and I don't think I've seen one worn by anyone ever.  The trend has been more toward merging wallet and phone case, which I find helps temper a mild cell phone addiction with a little uneasiness about pulling all the money and license out every time to check every single notification that goes through.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on February 11, 2014, 09:30:47 PM
Do you want a sturdy case?
I've been using Otterbox defender cases since my 4 as working outdoors often means have dropped it on occasion. The otterboxes come with a holster.
My dad just bought 5s and bought Lifeproof as he wanted a waterproof, dustproof and snowproof case.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Caliga on February 11, 2014, 09:32:26 PM
Yep.  I have an Otterbox Defender for my Android and like it, so I may just get the same thing for the iPhone.  I check (and receive) email constantly so I figure I should have something that protects the phone too since I pull it out of the holster so much.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on February 11, 2014, 09:52:36 PM
I want a phone that will shock my genitals. I think I might have found one.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on February 12, 2014, 12:26:58 AM
I thought about buying a case for my 5s, but really - what exactly am I protecting it from?  It just sits in my suit pocket.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Caliga on February 12, 2014, 06:21:12 AM
Quote from: Barrister on February 12, 2014, 12:26:58 AM
I thought about buying a case for my 5s, but really - what exactly am I protecting it from?  It just sits in my suit pocket.
You will feel differently the first time you drop it. :sleep:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on February 12, 2014, 08:23:47 AM
Quote from: Barrister on February 12, 2014, 12:26:58 AM
I thought about buying a case for my 5s, but really - what exactly am I protecting it from?  It just sits in my suit pocket.

I skimped on the case for my first 4S, and it was scratched as hell within a few months.  It also mostly just sat in my pocket.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Caliga on February 12, 2014, 06:32:46 PM
My iPhone didn't shock me at all today.  Yay!
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on February 15, 2014, 07:45:52 PM
I fear there's something wrong with my iPad camera.  Strikes me as a hardware issue, since the FaceTime camera works but when I select the main camera, nothing.  I've tried rebooting, but to no avail. :(  I wonder if it's failed a shock test somewhere along the line.  :hmm:

What should I do?  Take it to the local Apple Store, and have them ship it out?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on February 15, 2014, 10:22:47 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 15, 2014, 07:45:52 PM
I fear there's something wrong with my iPad camera.  Strikes me as a hardware issue, since the FaceTime camera works but when I select the main camera, nothing.  I've tried rebooting, but to no avail. :(  I wonder if it's failed a shock test somewhere along the line.  :hmm:

What should I do?  Take it to the local Apple Store, and have them ship it out?

If you've got Applecare on it, hell yeah.  In my experience, unless it's personalized somehow, they'll swap first and refurbish later, so you walk out with a new device that's been loaded with your current data- that's what they did when my iPhone overheated over the summer and fried the wifi antenna.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: OttoVonBismarck on February 16, 2014, 09:43:31 AM
Quote from: Caliga on February 12, 2014, 06:21:12 AM
Quote from: Barrister on February 12, 2014, 12:26:58 AM
I thought about buying a case for my 5s, but really - what exactly am I protecting it from?  It just sits in my suit pocket.
You will feel differently the first time you drop it. :sleep:

I didn't have a case for my 5S for the first 3 months or so for similar reasons as Beeb, but eventually I was out doing something that involved a bit more activity/motion and sure enough the phone fell out and the shiny aluminum got lots of dents/scratches on it, so I put a case on it after that. It is odd though, Apple invests tons of money into their industrial design but realistically almost everyone puts a case over the phone and keeps it there.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on February 16, 2014, 09:47:14 AM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on February 16, 2014, 09:43:31 AM
I didn't have a case for my 5S for the first 3 months or so for similar reasons as Beeb, but eventually I was out doing something that involved a bit more activity/motion and sure enough the phone fell out and the shiny aluminum got lots of dents/scratches on it, so I put a case on it after that. It is odd though, Apple invests tons of money into their industrial design but realistically almost everyone puts a case over the phone and keeps it there.

I switch between three- a wallet case for normal usage, a lightweight case that makes it easier to clip the phone when using as a GPS, and a ruggedized case for when I'm working in the warehouse. :smarty:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on February 16, 2014, 01:27:51 PM
I got a Ballistic mil-spec case for my 4S;  it makes it larger than it needs to be, but with 3 layers of protection and not a single part of the phone exposed, damn if it doesn't look like the day I took it out of the box.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on February 16, 2014, 02:15:29 PM
I keep dropping my iPad.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: sbr on February 17, 2014, 09:07:11 PM
In a 20 month period starting in June of 2012 I have shattered the screens on 2 work-provided iPads, broke an old fashioned work provided flip phone, lost an old fashioned work provided flip phone, shattered the screens on 2 personal smart phones and lost a smartphone. :showoff:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on February 17, 2014, 09:41:24 PM
ANger management classes?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on February 17, 2014, 09:46:19 PM
Quote from: katmai on February 17, 2014, 09:41:24 PM
ANger management classes?

They don't work. Trust me.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on February 17, 2014, 09:47:57 PM
I figured you were a better teacher than that!
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on February 17, 2014, 09:57:26 PM
Quote from: katmai on February 17, 2014, 09:47:57 PM
I figured you were a better teacher than that!

:cry:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: sbr on February 17, 2014, 10:02:24 PM
Quote from: katmai on February 17, 2014, 09:41:24 PM
ANger management classes?

All accidents.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Caliga on February 21, 2014, 07:52:43 AM
So a couple more weeks have gone by.  While I think I still like my Android a bit better, I really do like this iPhone.  It's obviously drastically better than the Blackberry I used to have.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on February 21, 2014, 02:38:45 PM
Quote from: Caliga on February 21, 2014, 07:52:43 AM
So a couple more weeks have gone by.  While I think I still like my Android a bit better, I really do like this iPhone.  It's obviously drastically better than the Blackberry I used to have.

No experience with Andriod, and yeah, it's miles better than a Blackberry.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on February 28, 2014, 06:48:57 AM
The update to 7.0.6 failed and I had to restore my phone, but that too failed. Quick googling told me to change the USB port and choose "Use as new iPhone".

Reinstalling apps. :bleeding: I'm definitely going full Spotify now, can't be arsed to sync my music library again. Must remember Bill Callahan as he doesn't seem to be on Spotify though.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on March 13, 2014, 10:07:59 AM
Did Apple really need to change the look of minor things on this latest update? I went to make a call today and I was like oh, do I now have to push this green phone icon
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Caliga on March 21, 2014, 03:19:30 PM
So check this shit out.  On my flight back from Chicago to Louisville this week I opened Google+/Locations on my iPhone and realized that, even though the bulk of the features weren't working due to having no data connection, my location was still being updated on the map, so I could watch my flight progress in real-time. :cool:  It was really solid in terms of accuracy too, in that as the map showed me approaching a river I could look out the window and see said river.  It also tracked accurately to the point of showing the plane line up for approach on the visible runways on my map.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on March 21, 2014, 03:48:03 PM
Yeah I used it when out on flights with uscg not to mention driving up north where no cell coverage at all.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Caliga on March 21, 2014, 03:50:40 PM
I did a bit of research and some people say it won't work (ironically) when phone is in airplane mode, while others say it will.  I never bother to turn my phones off or put them in airplane mode on flights.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on March 21, 2014, 04:25:56 PM
I think my ipad2 is starting to go. MAH 500 DOLLOAR DEVICE
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on March 21, 2014, 06:46:17 PM
Quote from: Caliga on March 21, 2014, 03:50:40 PM
I did a bit of research and some people say it won't work (ironically) when phone is in airplane mode, while others say it will.  I never bother to turn my phones off or put them in airplane mode on flights.
:o I wonder how many planes crashed because Caliga didn't bother to turn off his phone?  :hmm:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Arvoreen on March 31, 2014, 01:05:49 PM
I'm guess it would only happen once....and then he wouldn't be doing that anymore.....  :P
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Caliga on April 01, 2014, 10:36:53 AM
Quote from: DGuller on March 21, 2014, 06:46:17 PM
:o I wonder how many planes crashed because Caliga didn't bother to turn off his phone?  :hmm:
:rolleyes: I never turn my phones off (I always carry two smartphones, sometimes three).
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on April 01, 2014, 10:52:38 AM
Quote from: Caliga on April 01, 2014, 10:36:53 AM
Quote from: DGuller on March 21, 2014, 06:46:17 PM
:o I wonder how many planes crashed because Caliga didn't bother to turn off his phone?  :hmm:
:rolleyes: I never turn my phones off (I always carry two smartphones, sometimes three).

The charter flights for a certain professional sports team I've traveled with are hilarious.  Phones, laptops, iPads, you name it-- always on during takeoff.  It's suggested that you be in your seat during takeoff & landing, but otherwise there are no rules.  Plus they feed you as if you were on an NFL player diet.  By the time you finish your second Chick-fil-A sandwich they're bringing out the steaks.

Kind of hard to adjust to normal flights in coach after that.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Caliga on April 01, 2014, 02:48:00 PM
Get those motherfucking steaks onto my motherfucking plane. :(
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: mongers on April 01, 2014, 05:21:29 PM
Quote from: Caliga on April 01, 2014, 02:48:00 PM
Get those motherfucking steaks onto my motherfucking plane. :(

Steaks on a plane!
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on April 02, 2014, 08:01:46 AM
Quote from: Caliga on April 01, 2014, 10:36:53 AM
Quote from: DGuller on March 21, 2014, 06:46:17 PM
:o I wonder how many planes crashed because Caliga didn't bother to turn off his phone?  :hmm:
:rolleyes: I never turn my phones off (I always carry two smartphones, sometimes three).
You should be put on the no-fly list.  :mad:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on April 02, 2014, 09:23:11 PM
Quote from: DGuller on April 02, 2014, 08:01:46 AM
Quote from: Caliga on April 01, 2014, 10:36:53 AM
Quote from: DGuller on March 21, 2014, 06:46:17 PM
:o I wonder how many planes crashed because Caliga didn't bother to turn off his phone?  :hmm:
:rolleyes: I never turn my phones off (I always carry two smartphones, sometimes three).
You should be put on the no-fly list.  :mad:

I seriously doubt if the phones will interfere with cockpit instruments.  It is most likely a case of nobody willing to take responsibility for removing this safety precaution. 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on April 03, 2014, 09:42:37 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on April 02, 2014, 09:23:11 PM
I seriously doubt if the phones will interfere with cockpit instruments.  It is most likely a case of nobody willing to take responsibility for removing this safety precaution. 

Basically.  The FAA already backed off from it last year; now, it's just a matter of seeing which airline blinks first (I'm surprised there wasn't a race to allow it, since whichever goes first is going to have a huge selling advantage).

http://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=15254
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Syt on April 03, 2014, 11:56:58 AM
Yeah, because sitting next to a windbag that's on the phone for 8 hours during a transatlantic flight is going to be so much fun.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Caliga on April 04, 2014, 08:07:31 PM
Quote from: Syt on April 03, 2014, 11:56:58 AM
Yeah, because sitting next to a windbag that's on the phone for 8 hours during a transatlantic flight is going to be so much fun.
While I do think part of the motivation for airlines still pretending that leaving your phone on is ZOMG DANGEROUS is to keep chatterboxes off the phone, you ain't gonna be making an 8 hour call on a transatlantic flight on your cell phone. :sleep:  On my usual flights from Louisville to Chicago and back I only get short blips of service and usually only when flying over the larger towns (e.g. Indianapolis, Terre Haute).  Occasionally I'll get emails and stuff during those small windows of service but not always.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: OttoVonBismarck on April 10, 2014, 09:47:39 AM
Yeah, the FAA has said airlines are allowed to permit expanded electronic device usage, but voice communication would be under the FCC's purview so they haven't ruled on that. The FCC Chairman seemed to indicate he'd vote to allow it because there is no technical/safety reason not to allow it. But at about the same time the Department of Transportation indicated that whatever the FCC decides they will prohibit voice usage of cell phones on planes in part because of passenger comfort issues. Plus airlines would still have rights as private companies to regulate voice calls.

The airlines probably disliked the kabuki theater of having to have flight attendants bitch at passengers for leaving their iPad on during take-off and landing, but they would probably not want passengers rudely talking on their cell phones and possibly leading to passenger-on-passenger angry confrontations on their planes.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Josephus on April 28, 2014, 05:05:57 PM
Flying's already a pain in the ass i try to avoid as much as possible. The minute people can start yapping on their phones is the minute it'll be stay-at-home vacays and drive-for business trips.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on April 28, 2014, 05:23:01 PM
What is so pain in the ass about flying? Apart from extra time you need to add for security.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Josephus on April 28, 2014, 06:16:02 PM
Seats too cramped. Shit food. Noisy kids behind kicking the seat. Smelly toilets, long line up for said smelly toilets. Fat woman always sits beside me.

That's just for starters.

I guess I may have gotten spoiled on the three business class flights I took.

And let's not forget the added security time. And all the shit that goes with that.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on April 28, 2014, 08:22:58 PM
Oh it sounds like you just need better practice on how to manage traveling coach.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on June 02, 2014, 12:20:10 PM
It's WWDC time - lots of new announcements from Apple today.  We'll see how interesting any of them are.

first up - OS X Yosemite.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on June 02, 2014, 01:00:44 PM
Nothing earth-shattering really.  Now going through iOS 8.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on June 02, 2014, 09:49:58 PM
Wow.  Swype functionality is not a selling point.  That ship sailed a long, long time ago.  Nearly five years ago, in fact.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on June 03, 2014, 03:03:48 AM
Apple can make it a selling point, I don't think a lot of people have heard of swype. My sister has had an android phone for many years and she would've no clue.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on August 21, 2014, 06:25:53 PM
I'm having a problem with the app store not having certain apps that obviously should be in the store, such as YouTube or apps I've seen installed on another iPad.

I've think I've nailed it down to the apps not being in the Danish store (iTunes wants to switch me to US store when I try on the PC), but I see no reason why YouTube should suddenly stop being there, or why apps in Danish would be in the US store but not the Danish.

I can find no help on Google. :weep:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Josephus on August 31, 2014, 10:05:16 AM
So a year ago I bought an IMac which I've been pretty happy with. Recently I've noticed a couple of times pretty loud fan noise, that makes me panic and switch it off. Is that...normal?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on August 31, 2014, 10:38:59 AM
I panic a lot too.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 31, 2014, 10:54:32 AM
Quote from: Josephus on August 31, 2014, 10:05:16 AM
So a year ago I bought an IMac which I've been pretty happy with. Recently I've noticed a couple of times pretty loud fan noise, that makes me panic and switch it off. Is that...normal?

Just to clarify... a pretty loud fan noise just means your system temperature is getting high, so the fans turn up high.  Apple tries to keep its computers quiet so they try not to get to high RPM fan speeds, but it is perfectly normal.  What are you doing when this happens?

However - the Mac equivalent to the Blue Screen of Death is a kernel panic - if that's what's happening to you that definitely is not good.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Josephus on August 31, 2014, 10:56:54 AM
What's a kernel panic.

No, each time I happened to be playing Tropico 4 (which I more than exceed the specs--but I won't be playing that again), but yeah, the fan noise gets pretty loud

edit: No, it's not a kernel panic.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 02, 2014, 03:08:20 PM
Quote from: Josephus on August 31, 2014, 10:56:54 AM
What's a kernel panic.

No, each time I happened to be playing Tropico 4 (which I more than exceed the specs--but I won't be playing that again), but yeah, the fan noise gets pretty loud

edit: No, it's not a kernel panic.

Okay just making sure.

So if your fan speed is getting high it just means the game is getting close to maxing out your vid card, which is causing the heat to rise and thus kicking in the higher speed fan setting.

It's not necessarily a problem - it's what it's designed to do after all.  If you're concerned look into downloading a program that will monitor and display your Mac's internal temperature.  I think if you're hitting higher than, say 80C you're at risk of seriously hurting your computer, but lower than that will be fine even if the fan is on high speed.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Josephus on September 02, 2014, 06:08:38 PM
Ok, thanks for tip BB. :)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Threviel on September 04, 2014, 03:01:58 AM
In my old iMac the fans would go on sometimes, almost exclusively when playing games for such a long time that it got hot. In my new one I haven't noticed any excessive fan sounds.

So it could be normal, but even when my fans on my old iMac was at their loudest they were quieter than say a normal tower PC.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 09, 2014, 02:20:54 PM
Apple introduced the long-rumoured Watch today.   :cool:

I want one, but will probably wait for version 2 (or, not buy it at all).  Even for Apple, being an early adapter is usually a mistake.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on September 09, 2014, 02:59:59 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 09, 2014, 02:20:54 PM
Apple introduced the long-rumoured Watch today.   :cool:

I want one, but will probably wait for version 2 (or, not buy it at all).  Even for Apple, being an early adapter is usually a mistake.
:yes: Apple tends to replace their adapters pretty often.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on September 09, 2014, 03:03:37 PM
As I think I said once upon a time, I really don't get the watch appeal.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 09, 2014, 03:06:53 PM
Quote from: DGuller on September 09, 2014, 02:59:59 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 09, 2014, 02:20:54 PM
Apple introduced the long-rumoured Watch today.   :cool:

I want one, but will probably wait for version 2 (or, not buy it at all).  Even for Apple, being an early adapter is usually a mistake.
:yes: Apple tends to replace their adapters pretty often.

:palmslap:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on September 09, 2014, 03:10:25 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 09, 2014, 03:03:37 PM
As I think I said once upon a time, I really don't get the watch appeal.
I see it.  Having a small iPhone tethered to you at all times is convenient, and can make it an all-in-one fitness monitoring device.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 09, 2014, 03:12:40 PM
I can see the appeal, though not sure I'd buy one.

Having to pull your phone out of your pocket can be a pain, specially if you just want to check the time, or quickly see an email, or maybe see what your heartrate is during a workout.  Also, easier for the new NFC payment system to tap your wrist, than pull out your phone.

Also, the fashion aspect (and clearly Apple put a lot of options into fashion options) which is mostly absent in a phone.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on September 09, 2014, 10:25:27 PM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/features-of-the-new-apple-watch,36890/

QuoteFeatures Of The New Apple Watch

Tim Cook announced Tuesday the release of Apple's long-rumored watch, the latest in wearable technology. Here are some features of the new device:


  • 13-megapixel camera enables users to take crystal-clear pictures of wrist
  • Allows wearers to start and stop the flow of time
  • Discreet, but not so discreet that anyone would mistake it for a regular watch
  • Comes in a variety of colors and styles to express your personal submission to the planet's dominant tech company
  • Adjustable ticking volume
  • All the convenience of a traditional watch that needs to be charged every 12 hours
  • Built-in thinkpiece regarding the increased connectivity yet simultaneous isolation of the millennial generation
  • Small size and intricate circuitry able to drive twice as many Chinese workers to suicide as iPhone
  • Makes it easier for muggers to see whether or not you're carrying an expensive electronic device
  • Another screen to throw into your current rotation of things you look at
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on September 10, 2014, 04:47:02 PM
Honestly, the price is a huge turnoff.  Only works with the iPhone 6 or 6 Plus, so on top of the $349 that the basic Apple Watch will set you back, you've got to factor in the $199 for an iPhone 6 as well.  $548 or $149 for a Pebble that works with my 4S?  Yup.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on September 10, 2014, 04:48:43 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on September 10, 2014, 04:47:02 PM
Honestly, the price is a huge turnoff.  Only works with the iPhone 6 or 6 Plus, so on top of the $349 that the basic Apple Watch will set you back, you've got to factor in the $199 for an iPhone 6 as well.  $548 or $149 for a Pebble that works with my 4S?  Yup.
I thought it also worked with all the 5 versions?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on September 10, 2014, 04:50:56 PM
$448 then.  The 5 series isn't going to be taking that much of a dive in price.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 10, 2014, 05:05:54 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on September 10, 2014, 04:47:02 PM
Honestly, the price is a huge turnoff.  Only works with the iPhone 6 or 6 Plus, so on top of the $349 that the basic Apple Watch will set you back, you've got to factor in the $199 for an iPhone 6 as well.  $548 or $149 for a Pebble that works with my 4S?  Yup.

I can see why the Watch would cost a lot more than the Pebble.  It's a lot more ambitious, colour screen, and made with better materials.

I have time, but at that price I might even camp out overnight for one of the first ones - just for the experience of it.   :cool:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on September 10, 2014, 05:24:50 PM
The biggest problem with iWatch for me is that I don't want anything electronic on my wrist.  I'm old-fashioned like that.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on September 10, 2014, 08:18:26 PM
Quote from: DGuller on September 10, 2014, 05:24:50 PM
The biggest problem with iWatch for me is that I don't want anything electronic on my wrist.  I'm old-fashioned like that.

Actually, the biggest shift from Apple's keynote is that aside from the entrenched "iPhone," none of the new products or services are being given the "i" prefix.  Apple Pay, Apple Watch, etc.

Oh, and I shouldn't have to point this out, but there's a huge fail inherent in the Watch, that Samsung has already addressed with the Gear.

I'm a southpaw. :contract:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 10, 2014, 10:32:19 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on September 10, 2014, 08:18:26 PM
Quote from: DGuller on September 10, 2014, 05:24:50 PM
The biggest problem with iWatch for me is that I don't want anything electronic on my wrist.  I'm old-fashioned like that.

Actually, the biggest shift from Apple's keynote is that aside from the entrenched "iPhone," none of the new products or services are being given the "i" prefix.  Apple Pay, Apple Watch, etc.

Oh, and I shouldn't have to point this out, but there's a huge fail inherent in the Watch, that Samsung has already addressed with the Gear.

I'm a southpaw. :contract:

Apparently it will be taken care of (likely by just flipping the watch over)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Phillip V on September 10, 2014, 10:55:20 PM
Sprint's $70/month plan for new iPhone w/ unlimited data seems like a good deal.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on September 12, 2014, 05:01:42 AM
I didn't get an iPhone before the 4th edition because I thought the first few iPhones looked like round plastic crap and were kinda pointless and expensive. Now the watch might not look plasticy but it's still not very good looking and so far also somewhat pointless and certainly expensive.

I'll wait.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on September 12, 2014, 05:26:40 AM
Iphone 6 purchased for mother and 6+ for me.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Tonitrus on September 12, 2014, 08:13:28 PM
Early adopter.  :mad:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on September 12, 2014, 08:42:50 PM
Applehead. :x
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Phillip V on September 13, 2014, 01:40:11 AM
Quote from: katmai on September 12, 2014, 05:26:40 AM
Iphone 6 purchased for mother and 6+ for me.
Which carrier?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on September 13, 2014, 03:05:37 AM
At&t
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Tonitrus on September 13, 2014, 04:01:35 AM
If ATT weren't the only legit nationwide cell network up here, would that likely have been different?

I heard Verizon is going to try and do the same up here.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on September 13, 2014, 06:54:14 PM
They are finally coming up here. And actually just few weeks ago the local paper had story how since they started from scratch the most advance verizon network is actually here in Alaska.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Syt on September 13, 2014, 11:54:56 PM
So it appears not everyone is happy with their free U2 album. There's been a (mostly academic) question raised in Austria, as gifting something to someone is a contract, requiring consent of the party who receives the gift.


https://www.yahoo.com/tech/people-are-freaking-out-over-apples-forced-itunes-97218237854.html

QuotePeople Are Freaking Out over Apple's Forced iTunes Download of U2's New Album

While Bono and Tim Cook might be excited about the release of U2's new album, not everyone is sharing their enthusiasm.

Toward the end of Tuesday's Apple event, Tim Cook and Bono announced that every iTunes user would be given the band's new album for free. While that might not sound like a bad thing, many people are angry over the way Apple chose to "gift" us the album.

U2's new album, Songs of Innocence, shows up in iTunes libraries as purchased, whether users have chosen to buy it or not. That's made a lot of people angry, as it's nearly impossible to get rid of the album.

Users who have opted to download new purchases to their iPhones automatically have found the new U2 album sitting on their phones since Tuesday. But even if iTunes users hadn't chosen automatic downloads, Songs of Innocence will still be displayed as an "iTunes in the Cloud" purchase. That means it will still be shown as part of your music library, even if you delete all the tracks. The only way to make the U2 album go away is to go to your Mac or PC and hide all of your "iTunes in the Cloud" purchases, or to use iTunes to manually hide each track from your purchased items list.

(https://s.yimg.com/cd/resizer/2.0/FIT_TO_WIDTH-w500/a9cb2cc3796e579a444ff81641f68ff4b4fb6fc7.jpg)

Even then, the U2 album will lurk in your account, hidden until you decide you want it.

You cannot actually disassociate it completely from your account.

(https://s.yimg.com/cd/resizer/2.0/FIT_TO_WIDTH-w500/597f8aa89d99ed43269de0ec95f171df23b7f6a2.jpg)

Angry iTunes users have pointed to Jay Z's deal with Samsung as a good example of an album being released in partnership with a technology company. In June last year, anyone with a Samsung Galaxy S III, Galaxy S4 or Galaxy Note II was able to get Jay Z's new album for free, days before it went on general release. Crucially, customers had to choose to download an app to download the album. This meant that only Samsung customers who were interested in Jay Z's new album got to download it. By contrast, Apple's tactic forced the album upon hundreds of millions of people.

With Bloomberg reporting that Apple has more than 800 million iTunes accounts, that's a whole lot of people who have the album. In comparison, U2's total album sales to date have been estimated at around 150 million. The band's last album, No Line on the Horizon, sold 5 million copies.

Tim Cook said on stage at the Apple event, shortly after awkwardly touching fingers with Bono, that U2's new album had "the largest album release of all time." But giving away the album for free means that Songs of Innocence won't be eligible for listing on the Billboard Charts until its physical release Oct. 14.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 14, 2014, 12:11:03 AM
Some people will complain about anything.  I'm not much of a U2 fan, but I think the idea of being given an album for free is neat.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on September 14, 2014, 09:02:03 AM
Yeah how whiny. If you want complete control of your phone - don't have automatic download. And then who cares if it is associated with your account if not downloaded?

QuoteEven then, the U2 album will lurk in your account, hidden until you decide you want it.

Teh horror!!! :o
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Syt on September 17, 2014, 04:33:24 AM
So Apple has reacted and offers a technical solution to remove the album from your account again. After a week, 33 million users out of an estimated 500 million had "accessed" the album, including all the ones who had their auto-download settings switched on, and people who only checked out the songs without downloading them).

Austrian ORF quotes Bono as basically saying that it's because many consumers don't know what good music is anymore and that it's their loss.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Caliga on September 18, 2014, 07:01:22 AM
Got iOS 8 yesterday afternoon right after it came out. :bowler:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on September 18, 2014, 07:17:15 AM
Quote from: Caliga on September 18, 2014, 07:01:22 AM
Got iOS 8 yesterday afternoon right after it came out. :bowler:
I just updated to iOS 8, but I don't see a huge difference yet. I do like SwiftKey which I have missed since I left android.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on September 18, 2014, 07:18:07 AM
Also, Safari seems faster.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Caliga on September 18, 2014, 12:13:38 PM
Quote from: Liep on September 18, 2014, 07:17:15 AM
Quote from: Caliga on September 18, 2014, 07:01:22 AM
Got iOS 8 yesterday afternoon right after it came out. :bowler:
I just updated to iOS 8, but I don't see a huge difference yet. I do like SwiftKey which I have missed since I left android.
Yeah I'm happy about that also.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Caliga on September 18, 2014, 12:14:24 PM
I was also hoping that they made Siri sluttier, but that doesn't seem to be the case. :(
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on September 18, 2014, 06:52:04 PM
Quote from: Caliga on September 18, 2014, 12:14:24 PM
I was also hoping that they made Siri sluttier, but that doesn't seem to be the case. :(

I know.  Fucking tease.

I'm keeping my 4s until it dies.  Fuck these iPhones getting bigger.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on September 18, 2014, 10:06:58 PM
At least female Siri sounds okay compared to the creepy male Siri.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Caliga on September 19, 2014, 04:21:04 PM
I noticed last night that if you switch Siri to a differently-accented English voice, it hears you as if you are speaking in that accent too.

Example:

American English Siri: "Hey Siri, is there a God?"  "I'm not qualified to comment on existential subject matter." (or some other jokey sort of answer like that)
Australian English Siri: "Hey Siri, is there a God?" "Let me look that up" *pulls up wikipedia article on the subject 'Guard'  :D
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on September 19, 2014, 05:15:31 PM
Plus is flicking huge.
But enjoying phone.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on September 20, 2014, 07:37:10 AM
Quote from: Caliga on September 19, 2014, 04:21:04 PM
I noticed last night that if you switch Siri to a differently-accented English voice, it hears you as if you are speaking in that accent too.

Example:

American English Siri: "Hey Siri, is there a God?"  "I'm not qualified to comment on existential subject matter." (or some other jokey sort of answer like that)
Australian English Siri: "Hey Siri, is there a God?" "Let me look that up" *pulls up wikipedia article on the subject 'Guard'  :D
When I ask it something in Russian-accented English, it sends everything to NSA.  :(
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on September 21, 2014, 03:47:11 PM
Quote from: katmai on September 19, 2014, 05:15:31 PM
Plus is flicking huge.

That's because they want you to buy a smartwatch.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on September 21, 2014, 09:35:47 PM
I really do detest Apple's ability to pluck my nerves by changing perfectly good features that didn't need to be changed.  I actually liked the ability to select "Photo Stream" to, you know, look at photos in the Photo Stream, and select "camera" to, you know, look at photos in the camera.  Whelp, not anymore!  Thanks, assholes.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on September 24, 2014, 04:27:26 PM
http://www.cnet.com/news/spoof-apple-site-touts-bendable-iphone-6-as-a-plus/

QuoteSome iPhone 6 and 6 Plus users are complaining of a new bug in which their phones bend under pressure, especially when stored in their pockets for long periods of time. But is this a bug or just an undocumented feature? One tongue-in-cheek webpage touts it as a feature called Flex.

Spotted on the photo sharing website imgur.com, the page displays an image of a bent iPhone 6 with the tagline: "Introducing Flex." The text below says: "Apple's revolutionary patent aluminum alloy lets users create a more enjoyable viewing experience by molding the iPhone."

The curve in the imaged iPhone 6 brings to mind intentionally curved phones like Samsung's Galaxy Round and LG's G Flex. But despite the spoof page's claim that Flex is an undocumented feature, it seems to be more of a flaw in the iPhone 6, possibly due to the device's thin, aluminum body.

Photos have started to pop up online showing bent iPhone 6 units, with people complaining that there devices can't withstand the wear and tear of being kept in a pocket for too long. Users chiming in on the MacRumors forum said the flaw seems to affect the new iPhone at the top near the volume buttons. One user who posted a photo of a bent iPhone 6 Plus said the phone bent after around 18 hours in his pocket.

Apparently it's not just your pocket that can bend the new iPhone. You can do it yourself. A video posted on YouTube on Tuesday by Ubox Therapy showed how someone was able to intentionally bend an iPhone 6 Plus near the volume buttons just by applying enough pressure. The person who performed the bend maneuver said the problem seemed to stem from a weakness near the volume cutout buttons.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on September 24, 2014, 06:31:38 PM
People with their bent iPhones deserve what they get for preferring ridiculously large screens on their phone.  The 4.0 inch form was just perfect, why did these whiners have to ruin a good thing?  :mad:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on September 24, 2014, 10:30:29 PM
Or you know buy a case that won't allow such silliness.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on September 24, 2014, 10:36:45 PM
Yeah you can't be a good little Apple consumer if you don't buy all of the accessories! :angry:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on September 24, 2014, 10:42:35 PM
The 5/5s had a thing with bending too. It isn't the size or thickness, it's the metal.

E:  I don't know if the 5s would kind of pop apart when they bent though like the 6s seem to do.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on September 25, 2014, 10:14:27 AM
Quote from: katmai on September 24, 2014, 10:30:29 PM
Or you know buy a case that won't allow such silliness.
Buying a case for your iPhone is like wearing your gold chains under the shirt.  Yes, your valuable possession will be safer that way, but then what's the point of owning it in the first place?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on September 25, 2014, 10:49:44 AM
Track suit guy knows about fashion.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on September 25, 2014, 10:54:59 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 25, 2014, 10:49:44 AM
Track suit guy knows about fashion.

He knows about gold chains. And without knowing much about fashion myself I'd say that that is traditionally associated with track suits, so all seems in order here.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Tonitrus on September 25, 2014, 10:20:59 PM
Quote from: DGuller on September 25, 2014, 10:14:27 AM
Quote from: katmai on September 24, 2014, 10:30:29 PM
Or you know buy a case that won't allow such silliness.
Buying a case for your iPhone is like wearing your gold chains under the shirt.  Yes, your valuable possession will be safer that way, but then what's the point of owning it in the first place?

I don't find your analogy valid.  A smartphone has far more utility than gold chains, and the case doesn't significantly impact that utility.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on October 17, 2014, 06:24:51 AM
The new iMac screen has a resolution of 5120 x 2880, which is needed when you edit your 4k movies.

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Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Duque de Bragança on October 17, 2014, 06:36:34 AM
Quote from: Liep on October 17, 2014, 06:24:51 AM
The new iMac screen has a resolution of 5120 x 2880, which is needed when you edit your 4k movies.

That's a nice gadget, for now, but the graphic card specs are more important and more interesting, not just for gaming.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on October 17, 2014, 02:24:02 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on October 17, 2014, 06:36:34 AM
Quote from: Liep on October 17, 2014, 06:24:51 AM
The new iMac screen has a resolution of 5120 x 2880, which is needed when you edit your 4k movies.

That's a nice gadget, for now, but the graphic card specs are more important and more interesting, not just for gaming.

AMD Radeon R9 M290X with 2GB video memory

Quick review said it worked well, but is not powerful enough to run games at that kind of native resolution.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Grey Fox on October 20, 2014, 08:18:37 PM
Nothing is. You need 3 Titans to make it work.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on October 20, 2014, 08:49:38 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 20, 2014, 08:18:37 PM
Nothing is. You need 3 Titans to make it work.

So basically, there's maybe ten machines in active use right now that could actually handle that. Only one that comes to mind right away for me is the Large Pixel Collider.

http://lpc.pcgamer.com/
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Grey Fox on October 21, 2014, 10:53:47 AM
Yes, rendering 4k resolution at 120/140 fps requires insane amount of GPU power at the current technology level.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on October 21, 2014, 11:20:21 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on October 20, 2014, 08:49:38 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 20, 2014, 08:18:37 PM
Nothing is. You need 3 Titans to make it work.

So basically, there's maybe ten machines in active use right now that could actually handle that. Only one that comes to mind right away for me is the Large Pixel Collider.

http://lpc.pcgamer.com/

Note we're talking about "handling that" for gaming.

The 5k iMac is "meant" for being able to natively edit 4k video, which apparently it can do just fine.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on October 21, 2014, 11:28:37 PM
My wife is considering getting a replacement for her iMac, and she is interested in the "Retina" display, whatever that means. 

The problem I see is that the Retina display is only available for the 27 inch model.  Her current iMac is 21 inch.  27 is a little bit too large for us.  We may need to replace some furniture for that to work.  Is the Retina display really that good?

Another question is the specifications.  She doesn't play computer games.  It is mainly for ordinary internet, video streaming, very basic photo management, emails, etc.  Should I go for the standard i5, 8G Ram, 2G video memory route?  Or should I upgrade it to i7, 16G Ram, and 4G video card?

As for the harddrive, I think I will insist in getting an SSD for her.  256G sounds too small, while 1TB SSD is too expensive.  512GB sounds right.  What say you?

Also a very fundamental question.  Her iMac is a 2009 model.  She thinks it is too slow.  Will getting the latest model translate to substantial performance improvement?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on October 21, 2014, 11:51:02 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on October 21, 2014, 11:28:37 PM
My wife is considering getting a replacement for her iMac, and she is interested in the "Retina" display, whatever that means. 

The problem I see is that the Retina display is only available for the 27 inch model.  Her current iMac is 21 inch.  27 is a little bit too large for us.  We may need to replace some furniture for that to work.  Is the Retina display really that good?

Another question is the specifications.  She doesn't play computer games.  It is mainly for ordinary internet, video streaming, very basic photo management, emails, etc.  Should I go for the standard i5, 8G Ram, 2G video memory route?  Or should I upgrade it to i7, 16G Ram, and 4G video card?

As for the harddrive, I think I will insist in getting an SSD for her.  256G sounds too small, while 1TB SSD is too expensive.  512GB sounds right.  What say you?

Also a very fundamental question.  Her iMac is a 2009 model.  She thinks it is too slow.  Will getting the latest model translate to substantial performance improvement?

Mono, as for your last question - I keep debating that.  I have a 2008 Mac Pro.  It still works fine (though after 6 1/2 years I worry something will go on it sooner or later).  But would a new Mac be that much of a difference?

Retina Mac - the reviews are very good.  But it is very expensive.  And it comes down to what your wife uses the Mac for.  You say "very basic photo management" - if she's involved at all in editing or touching up photos, then the 5k resolution might be a help.  But for web surfing, emails, and online videos the 5k resolution won't make any real difference.  It will just mean that text is crisper.

Based on what you described the i5 is probably good enough, though I might be tempted to upgrade if it isn't too expensive.

You're correct to insist on the SSD.  You might want to look at getting the 256GB SSD, but then also get a external spinning HD connected via Thunderbolt of 1-2 TB for storing pictures.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on October 22, 2014, 01:23:31 AM
Quote from: Barrister on October 21, 2014, 11:51:02 PM


Mono, as for your last question - I keep debating that.  I have a 2008 Mac Pro.  It still works fine (though after 6 1/2 years I worry something will go on it sooner or later).  But would a new Mac be that much of a difference?

Retina Mac - the reviews are very good.  But it is very expensive.  And it comes down to what your wife uses the Mac for.  You say "very basic photo management" - if she's involved at all in editing or touching up photos, then the 5k resolution might be a help.  But for web surfing, emails, and online videos the 5k resolution won't make any real difference.  It will just mean that text is crisper.

Based on what you described the i5 is probably good enough, though I might be tempted to upgrade if it isn't too expensive.

You're correct to insist on the SSD.  You might want to look at getting the 256GB SSD, but then also get a external spinning HD connected via Thunderbolt of 1-2 TB for storing pictures.

She has a fair amount of music files, and many of them are in lossless format.  So 256GB SSD is probably too small.  We already have a traditional 3TB harddrive for photos (and another 17TB for anime  :ph34r:).  She doesn't play games, so my inclination is a 2GB video card and 8GB RAM.  The i7 is an extra US$250.  I think I will go for that, just to make sure that her computer will last another 5 years or so. 

The whole thing is US$3k.  That is her birthday, Christmas, Valentine's Day, wedding anniversary, new year, Chinese new year, Easter, national day, memorial of HK's return to The Motherland day, mid-autumn festival etc present for the next year :contract:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on October 23, 2014, 08:55:02 PM
I keep hearing from others that iphone 4S and IOS8 are incompatible, and tons of people regret updating.  Itunes keep asking me to "update" to IOS8, and I have to manually decline each time.  It is probably an Apple ploy to make me buy a new phone. 

Is the mob right to refuse to update to IOS8?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on October 23, 2014, 09:09:49 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on October 23, 2014, 08:55:02 PM
I keep hearing from others that iphone 4S and IOS8 are incompatible, and tons of people regret updating.  Itunes keep asking me to "update" to IOS8, and I have to manually decline each time.  It is probably an Apple ploy to make me buy a new phone. 

Is the mob right to refuse to update to IOS8?

You can select "Don't ask me again" checkbox before selecting cancel.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on October 23, 2014, 09:15:19 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 23, 2014, 09:09:49 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on October 23, 2014, 08:55:02 PM
I keep hearing from others that iphone 4S and IOS8 are incompatible, and tons of people regret updating.  Itunes keep asking me to "update" to IOS8, and I have to manually decline each time.  It is probably an Apple ploy to make me buy a new phone. 

Is the mob right to refuse to update to IOS8?

You can select "Don't ask me again" checkbox before selecting cancel.

I did notice that box, but I was worried that the default setting is to update.  So I am worried that if I check that box, itunes will simply automatically update my phone to IOS8 next time. 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on October 23, 2014, 09:17:16 PM
So let's just file this under "Mono is a nutjob Evidence No. 1414324"?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on October 24, 2014, 03:50:29 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on October 23, 2014, 08:55:02 PM
I keep hearing from others that iphone 4S and IOS8 are incompatible, and tons of people regret updating.  Itunes keep asking me to "update" to IOS8, and I have to manually decline each time.  It is probably an Apple ploy to make me buy a new phone. 

Is the mob right to refuse to update to IOS8?

If you're happy with iOS7 then keep it, apps might stop being upgraded for that system in a while, but as long as it works it's going to operate smoother than iOS8.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on October 24, 2014, 05:09:37 AM
Quote from: Liep on October 24, 2014, 03:50:29 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on October 23, 2014, 08:55:02 PM
I keep hearing from others that iphone 4S and IOS8 are incompatible, and tons of people regret updating.  Itunes keep asking me to "update" to IOS8, and I have to manually decline each time.  It is probably an Apple ploy to make me buy a new phone. 

Is the mob right to refuse to update to IOS8?

If you're happy with iOS7 then keep it, apps might stop being upgraded for that system in a while, but as long as it works it's going to operate smoother than iOS8.

I don't really use apps, and it has no internet connection (can't afford monthly fees).  It is just a phone + phone book + music player to me. 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on October 25, 2014, 12:53:25 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on October 23, 2014, 08:55:02 PM
I keep hearing from others that iphone 4S and IOS8 are incompatible, and tons of people regret updating.  Itunes keep asking me to "update" to IOS8, and I have to manually decline each time.  It is probably an Apple ploy to make me buy a new phone. 

Is the mob right to refuse to update to IOS8?

I've heard some whining about it, but my two cents is that my 4S took to iOS8 just fine.  Of course, with a device that old, the only real perk to upgrading was the predictive keyboard- the 4S can't even do AirDrop, but in my case that was a big enough deal to sell it on its own (I have a really, really hard time typing on the tiny 4S keyboard- it's the main thing that's got me considering a possible 6 or 6+ upgrade).

Oh, and the contact shortcuts on the task launcher, but I haven't been using that as much, since my crazy schedule doesn't exactly leave me a ton of time to use the phone.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on October 28, 2014, 03:56:56 AM
I saw a demo iphone 6+ the other day.  I was very surprised that, despite having a much larger screen, the 6+ is actually lighter than my 4S. 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on October 28, 2014, 04:14:06 AM
BUY IT.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on October 28, 2014, 04:39:29 AM
Quote from: Liep on October 28, 2014, 04:14:06 AM
BUY IT.

That's not how it works.  I never buy mobile phones.  The correct procedure is to wait for the wife to buy one for herself, wait for her to get tired of it, and wait for her to give it to me as a hand me down.  My iphone 4S was once hers :contract:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Berkut on November 04, 2014, 10:59:34 AM
Debating whether I should consider a Galaxy Note 4. It seems huge, but someone was showing it to me, and that screen is gorgeous...
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on November 04, 2014, 11:18:54 AM
Quote from: Berkut on November 04, 2014, 10:59:34 AM
Debating whether I should consider a Galaxy Note 4. It seems huge, but someone was showing it to me, and that screen is gorgeous...

If screen quality's your deal, get an LG G3.  Note 4 does still have a nice screen, though.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on December 01, 2014, 06:51:26 PM
Yeah my G3 has a really nice screen.  The Note 4 Curve (is that what it's called?) has an interesting little gimmick where the screen curves around one side a little for notifications and shit.  I haven't seen one in person though.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on December 02, 2014, 02:07:15 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 01, 2014, 06:51:26 PM
Yeah my G3 has a really nice screen.  The Note 4 Curve (is that what it's called?) has an interesting little gimmick where the screen curves around one side a little for notifications and shit.  I haven't seen one in person though.

Note Edge.  And it's going to be a while before you do; the sucker's $400 with a 2-year contract.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on December 09, 2014, 08:31:28 PM
I don't understand how they are pitching apple pay. While I can understand the transferring of funds to friends (sort of), I don't get why anyone would want to use their phone as a payment device. Too hard to swipe a credit card / pull out cash? :unsure:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: mongers on December 09, 2014, 08:33:30 PM
Quote from: garbon on December 09, 2014, 08:31:28 PM
I don't understand how they are pitching apple pay. While I can understand the transferring of funds to friends (sort of), I don't get why anyone would want to use their phone as a payment device. Too hard to swipe a credit card / pull out cash? :unsure:

It's the boarding pass to hipsterville.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Josephus on December 16, 2014, 06:12:59 PM
So I'm running 10.8.5

Should I update to Yosemite? Drawbacks?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Duque de Bragança on December 29, 2014, 12:28:26 AM
Not if you want to experience a fully matured system, without any Wi-fi issues. There's Mavericks in the mean time for you.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 04, 2015, 02:42:10 PM
I just wish they quit fucking around with redesigning iTunes with every patch. 
I blame Assburger programmers with the attention spans of gnats that can't sit still for 3 minutes without freebasing their Ritalin, let alone trying not to fuck with a UI.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on January 04, 2015, 07:14:21 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 04, 2015, 02:42:10 PM
I just wish they quit fucking around with redesigning iTunes with every patch. 
I blame Assburger programmers with the attention spans of gnats that can't sit still for 3 minutes without freebasing their Ritalin, let alone trying not to fuck with a UI.

Agreed. I haven't updated at home as I updated at work and was like what is this shit?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on January 14, 2015, 04:38:05 PM
The 13" is too big, the 11" too small. In comes the 12" MacBook Air, supposedly much thinner than its predecessors with only two ports, a mini-jack plug and a USB C-Type, whatever that is.

I want one.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on January 14, 2015, 05:40:36 PM
Oh, applehead. :console:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on January 14, 2015, 06:51:07 PM
Quote from: garbon on January 14, 2015, 05:40:36 PM
Oh, applehead. :console:

I know. :(
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on January 14, 2015, 06:52:19 PM
Although I will say I'm proud of myself for not buying the iPhone 6.




Yet.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on January 14, 2015, 07:10:30 PM
They are making it difficult for me to hang on to my 4s.  Have to remove more and more apps so the new OS works without hiccups. 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on January 14, 2015, 08:04:58 PM
I avoid using my wife's iMac as far as possible.  The operating system is very user unfriendly.  There seems no right click function anywhere, so I find it most difficult to do basic functions like copy and paste.  Finally figured out that the command line is in the toolbar after much frustration. 

Then it hit me that I went through the exact same process 20 years ago in university.  That's why I put down the "Apple OS sucks" stamp in my psyche. 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on January 14, 2015, 08:12:49 PM
Quote from: Liep on January 14, 2015, 06:52:19 PM
Although I will say I'm proud of myself for not buying the iPhone 6.




Yet.

Wife bought me an iPhone 6 plus a few months ago, and so far I am happy with it.  I assumed that the fingerprint lock thing is just a marketing gimmick.  I was surprised to find that it actually worked and it was a more efficient way to unlock the phone.  I compared the screen with my wife's Samsung Galaxy Note, and we both agreed that the iphone 6 screen somehow looked better.  Despite having a large screen, the iphone 6 plus is actually lighter than the 4S.  Battery life is another plus.  I only need to recharge it every 3 or 4 days or so.  The wife needs to recharge her Samsung daily. 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Josephus on February 02, 2015, 12:47:10 PM
Just upgraded my 4 to a 6 yesterday
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on February 04, 2015, 04:44:14 PM
Quote from: Josephus on February 02, 2015, 12:47:10 PM
Just upgraded my 4 to a 6 yesterday

Well?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: mongers on February 04, 2015, 05:01:18 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 04, 2015, 04:44:14 PM
Quote from: Josephus on February 02, 2015, 12:47:10 PM
Just upgraded my 4 to a 6 yesterday

Well?

He's two up or two down, depending on how you look at it.

Or he's started to hit a lot of confused people on the golf course.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on February 04, 2015, 11:19:43 PM
Quote from: mongers on February 04, 2015, 05:01:18 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 04, 2015, 04:44:14 PM
Quote from: Josephus on February 02, 2015, 12:47:10 PM
Just upgraded my 4 to a 6 yesterday

Well?

He's two up or two down, depending on how you look at it.

Or he's started to hit a lot of confused people on the golf course.

That's actually a hell of an upgrade, considering it went 4 -> 4s -> 5 -> 5s ->6.

I'm willing to bet Jos noticed a substantial improvement.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on February 05, 2015, 08:21:15 AM
I don't want to get rid of my 4s, but I fear Apple will make me;  they're already making me remove apps due to the memory requirements of the OS whenever it gets updated.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on February 05, 2015, 08:22:33 AM
I'm feeling pressure on upgrading my iPad 2. Assholes.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on February 05, 2015, 11:23:56 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 05, 2015, 08:21:15 AM
I don't want to get rid of my 4s, but I fear Apple will make me;  they're already making me remove apps due to the memory requirements of the OS whenever it gets updated.

Your 4S came out in 2011.  It's getting long in the tooth already.  Maybe not today, but you will want to upgrade it at some point.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on February 05, 2015, 11:34:00 AM
Quote from: Barrister on February 05, 2015, 11:23:56 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 05, 2015, 08:21:15 AM
I don't want to get rid of my 4s, but I fear Apple will make me;  they're already making me remove apps due to the memory requirements of the OS whenever it gets updated.

Your 4S came out in 2011.  It's getting long in the tooth already.  Maybe not today, but you will want to upgrade it at some point.

I don't see why "upgrade" must equal "upsize".  The technology was supposedly getting smaller.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on February 05, 2015, 11:37:30 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 05, 2015, 11:34:00 AM
Quote from: Barrister on February 05, 2015, 11:23:56 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 05, 2015, 08:21:15 AM
I don't want to get rid of my 4s, but I fear Apple will make me;  they're already making me remove apps due to the memory requirements of the OS whenever it gets updated.

Your 4S came out in 2011.  It's getting long in the tooth already.  Maybe not today, but you will want to upgrade it at some point.

I don't see why "upgrade" must equal "upsize".  The technology was supposedly getting smaller.

It's what the market wanted, apparently.  Apple was losing ground to Samsung until they released bigger phones, and now they've made it all back. :mellow:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on February 08, 2015, 08:17:15 PM
I've been enjoying 6plus since it first came out. 
Troglodytes
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Tonitrus on February 08, 2015, 11:49:28 PM
Still clinging to my 4S.

I am easily past the time I can upgrade...but I have no pressing urgency.  And if I did decide to get a new phone, I'd be tempted to experiment with a Windows phone.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on February 11, 2015, 06:27:38 AM
Quote from: Barrister on February 05, 2015, 11:37:30 AM
It's what the market wanted, apparently.  Apple was losing ground to Samsung until they released bigger phones, and now they've made it all back. :mellow:

:yes: Conversely, the Galaxy S4 Mini (the size of a 4S) was by far the worst performer in the line to the point where they pulled the plug on it.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on February 12, 2015, 08:55:55 PM
Got my replacement for the Air in today.  A shiny new Pro Retina.   :)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on February 15, 2015, 10:50:46 PM
Yep just came home with new macbook pro 15"
first laptop since 2007 :lol:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on February 15, 2015, 11:15:16 PM
hahaha?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on February 15, 2015, 11:30:54 PM
Quote from: katmai on February 15, 2015, 10:50:46 PM
Yep just came home with new macbook pro 15"
first laptop since 2007 :lol:

I took apart an old 15" Pro on Friday to replace the battery (old battery was toast), RAM (from 4 to 8), and HDD (to SSD).  Apple seems even more obsessed with absurdly small screws than other laptop manufacturers.  They were nice enough to make it so you don't have to disassemble the whole damn thing to get to that stuff though, unlike some others.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on February 15, 2015, 11:34:17 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 15, 2015, 11:15:16 PM
hahaha?

Just was chuckling at after without laptop in half a decade I didn't wade back in as it were, and dived back in with top of line Mac laptop.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on February 16, 2015, 12:00:10 AM
Ah, gotcha.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Josephus on February 16, 2015, 07:19:44 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 04, 2015, 04:44:14 PM
Quote from: Josephus on February 02, 2015, 12:47:10 PM
Just upgraded my 4 to a 6 yesterday

Well?

Sorry...missed this.

Well, it's a huge upgrade really. Teh most noticeable thing is the difference in speed. Obviously it's bigger too.

My old 4 also couldn't handle the newer apps.

I thought for once I'll have the latest model. Had to pay an arm and a leg for it, but I plan on keeping it for a while.

Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on February 23, 2015, 09:32:07 AM
Went and pulled the trigger for the 6 Plus. 

Like Josephus said, the 4s just couldn't keep up with the newer apps, and the poor thing was working too hard with the new iOS, killing the battery like nobody's business.  The days of the 4s being used as anything more than a phone with a nice camera are behind it, I think.

QuoteI thought for once I'll have the latest model. Had to pay an arm and a leg for it, but I plan on keeping it for a while.

Yeah, never had the latest and greatest, either.  Since I got the two year contract, the cost of the device is spread over 2 years and even with the full-blown 128GB, it's only about $25 more a month than my 4s, so what they hey.  Should arrive tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on February 24, 2015, 07:41:04 PM
OK, this thing is fucking sweet.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on February 25, 2015, 06:08:43 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 24, 2015, 07:41:04 PM
OK, this thing is fucking sweet.

I could have told you that. :P
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on February 26, 2015, 08:35:58 AM
Yeah, but you're not always expressive, what with your rugged individualism.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on February 26, 2015, 10:35:35 AM
These appleheads be delirious.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on March 02, 2015, 10:25:54 AM
And Verizon's still giving me my Shareholder Value, Inc., employee discount.  How's that for sticking it to The Man?  :fistintheair:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on March 02, 2015, 11:12:30 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 02, 2015, 10:25:54 AM
And Verizon's still giving me my Shareholder Value, Inc., employee discount.  How's that for sticking it to The Man?  :fistintheair:

Lemme guess: 15%?  They give that discount to pretty much any employer that takes the time to call them up and ask for it.  My mom got a Verizon discount for being part of a union as a deli worker at Pathmark.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Syt on March 02, 2015, 11:27:08 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 02, 2015, 10:25:54 AM
And Verizon's still giving me my Shareholder Value, Inc., employee discount.  How's that for sticking it to The Man?  :fistintheair:

Mobile companies seem to be bad about it. My colleague worked at T-Mobile and left almost four years ago. Still has her company phone and discount.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on March 02, 2015, 11:45:17 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on March 02, 2015, 11:12:30 AM
Lemme guess: 15%? 

18%.  Fuck yeah.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on March 09, 2015, 11:07:51 AM
I'm again pretty impressed with Apple's hype machine. Even for a gadget that looks useless, now very smart and is going to be too expensive they manage to get all news sites to write about their event tonight.





If it's below 3000kr I might get one. :blush:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on March 09, 2015, 12:49:20 PM
A gold MacBook. :hmm:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on March 09, 2015, 01:44:16 PM
A maxxed out gold Apple Watch will sell for $10,000. :o

I want one (well, not the $10,000 gold one), but no way I'm buying a 1st generation apple product.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on March 09, 2015, 01:49:59 PM
'HBO Now' exclusively on Apple. That's great news if it means HBO Nordic can be watched on Apple TV now.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on March 09, 2015, 01:54:33 PM
Quote from: Liep on March 09, 2015, 01:49:59 PM
'HBO Now' exclusively on Apple. That's great news if it means HBO Nordic can be watched on Apple TV now.

It almost certainly doesn't.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on March 09, 2015, 01:57:05 PM
You're probably right, it's been "in development" since 2013. :weep:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on March 09, 2015, 05:22:38 PM
Quote from: mongers on March 09, 2015, 05:19:41 PM
Did I miss something today?  :unsure:

I think you know exactly what you missed, and you're doing your usual "I'm above such mere human trivialities" things.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on March 09, 2015, 05:31:31 PM
I had to look up what Liep was talking about initially. But then I also hadn't been on buzzfeed or yahoo news yet. :blush:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on March 09, 2015, 05:38:28 PM
You're still adjusting to your transatlantic shift, so you get a pass.  Even though you've found the time to date already.   :glare:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on March 09, 2015, 05:45:01 PM
:lol: :hug:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on March 09, 2015, 08:43:58 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 09, 2015, 01:44:16 PM
A maxxed out gold Apple Watch will sell for $10,000. :o

I want one (well, not the $10,000 gold one), but no way I'm buying a 1st generation apple product.

I read somewhere that Apple will buy up so much gold for the Apple Watches that there is pressure on global demand for gold, because it takes up a significant chunk of annual global supply. 

I don't understand what the appeal for an Apple Watch is.  The screen is far too small to do anything useful.  What exactly is the purpose of the watch?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on March 09, 2015, 11:53:06 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on March 09, 2015, 08:43:58 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 09, 2015, 01:44:16 PM
A maxxed out gold Apple Watch will sell for $10,000. :o

I want one (well, not the $10,000 gold one), but no way I'm buying a 1st generation apple product.

I read somewhere that Apple will buy up so much gold for the Apple Watches that there is pressure on global demand for gold, because it takes up a significant chunk of annual global supply.

I don't understand what the appeal for an Apple Watch is.  The screen is far too small to do anything useful.  What exactly is the purpose of the watch?

That's ridiculous.

Tons of gold are produced per year.  Primarily for jewellery of all sorts of course.

The huge majority of Apple Watches will not be gold.  Only a handful of the premium Apple Watch Editions will be gold, and each of them will have much less than an ounce.

The Apple Watch will have no meaningful influence on the price of gold.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on March 10, 2015, 01:14:25 AM
It seems the new Macbook Air will only one USB slot  :bleeding: :ultra: :x :thumbsdown: :pinch: :frusty: :yuk:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on March 10, 2015, 01:17:36 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on March 10, 2015, 01:14:25 AM
It seems the new Macbook Air will only one USB slot  :bleeding: :ultra: :x :thumbsdown: :pinch: :frusty: :yuk:

Correction:

The new Mac Book has only one USB slot.

The new MBA still has the regular assortment of slots.

:contract:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on March 10, 2015, 01:23:18 AM
Quote from: Barrister on March 10, 2015, 01:17:36 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on March 10, 2015, 01:14:25 AM
It seems the new Macbook Air will only one USB slot  :bleeding: :ultra: :x :thumbsdown: :pinch: :frusty: :yuk:

Correction:

The new Mac Book has only one USB slot.

The new MBA still has the regular assortment of slots.

:contract:

Ok, I'll defer to your knowledge on this.  But I think one is totally unacceptable.  Three is ideal.  Two is manageable.  One is cruel and unusual. 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on March 10, 2015, 09:44:57 AM
Apple raised the prices on all products today because of the weak Euro. :weep:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Grey Fox on March 10, 2015, 10:06:37 AM
Feel the Burn Europe, feel it.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on March 11, 2015, 10:51:24 AM
Quote from: Liep on March 09, 2015, 01:49:59 PM
'HBO Now' exclusively on Apple. That's great news if it means HBO Nordic can be watched on Apple TV now.

Wonder if Comcast will block that like they block HBO Go.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on March 11, 2015, 10:52:27 AM
Quote from: Barrister on March 09, 2015, 01:44:16 PM
A maxxed out gold Apple Watch will sell for $10,000. :o

I want one (well, not the $10,000 gold one), but no way I'm buying a 1st generation apple product.

Nope.  $350 for a watch that has all the same functionality as a $99 Pebble?  No thanks.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on March 11, 2015, 10:52:47 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on March 11, 2015, 10:51:24 AM
Quote from: Liep on March 09, 2015, 01:49:59 PM
'HBO Now' exclusively on Apple. That's great news if it means HBO Nordic can be watched on Apple TV now.

Wonder if Comcast will block that like they block HBO Go.

Where do they do that?  We've got Comcast here, I can get HBO Go and Cinemax Go through Verizon Wireless.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on March 11, 2015, 11:03:59 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 11, 2015, 10:52:47 AM

Where do they do that?  We've got Comcast here, I can get HBO Go and Cinemax Go through Verizon Wireless.

Yeah, through Verizon Wireless, not Comcast.  Now try to run HBO Go on a Roku (or any other streaming device, including consoles like PS4) through your home Internet.  I'll wait.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on March 11, 2015, 11:10:53 AM
Must be a serious Whoopsie glitch on their part, because we get HBO Go through all our streaming devices, including my Dad's Sony media player;  not that he needs it, since they watch can HBO On Demand through Comcast's DVRs. Weird.  :unsure:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on March 11, 2015, 11:12:45 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 11, 2015, 11:10:53 AM
Must be a serious Whoopsie glitch on their part, because we get HBO Go through all our streaming devices, including my Dad's Sony media player;  not that he needs it, since they watch can HBO On Demand through Comcast's DVRs. Weird.  :unsure:

It is.

http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/03/comcast-is-not-saying-when-it-will-make-hbo-go-available-on-the-ps4/

Oh, slight ex post facto edit: I'd forgotten that Roku struck a deal with Comcast to authenticate.  Still mostly consoles that are blocked, but I'm wondering if Apple and Comcast have had The Conversation yet, or if we're going to hear that Comcast customers can't authenticate again.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on March 11, 2015, 11:25:32 AM
Hell, I knew about the PS4;  that's no different than the PS3 situation.  You mentioned Comcast;  we have Comcast.  And we still get HBO Go on our devices;  I just have to log into it with my Dad's Comcast/Xfinity account.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on March 11, 2015, 04:27:49 PM
Quote from: mongers on March 11, 2015, 02:41:16 PM
No mention of this global outage stuff for iThingies?

Global outage on what? My iThingie works fine, although Spotify has drained a bit more battery than usual.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Syt on March 15, 2015, 01:47:47 AM
Why the gold Apple watch costs 10 grand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL1xf_X0W2s&t=86
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on April 08, 2015, 09:31:31 AM
Way too thick. Ugh.  :yuk:

(https://recodetech.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/20150406-apple-watch-first-generation-1-2.jpg?quality=80&strip=info&w=640&h=427)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on May 22, 2015, 01:03:43 PM
Got the wife a new iPhone 6.  Went with the Sprint lease plan this time.  Lease seems almost too good to be true but I couldn't see much of a downside.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on May 22, 2015, 01:38:53 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 22, 2015, 01:03:43 PM
Got the wife a new iPhone 6.  Went with the Sprint lease plan this time.  Lease seems almost too good to be true but I couldn't see much of a downside.

Well there's bound to be a 6s coming in the fall, so they are probably starting to discount the 6 a little bit...
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on May 22, 2015, 02:14:10 PM
My parents are on my account and they flat-out gave me a free (with 2-year commitment) iPhone 5s for my mom's line. 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on May 23, 2015, 10:42:59 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 22, 2015, 01:38:53 PM
Well there's bound to be a 6s coming in the fall, so they are probably starting to discount the 6 a little bit...

Don't hold your breath.  Apple typically announces those around June, so by this point there would already have been word put out that there's going to be an announcement.  My Sprint rep and I were having pretty much that exact discussion this evening.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on June 02, 2015, 11:34:28 AM
http://www.techradar.com/news/digital-home/these-are-the-first-apple-homekit-devices-that-you-can-buy-1295609

I need those. It's cheap considering how much time I spend walking back up the stairs to check to see if I my door is really closed.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: derspiess on June 02, 2015, 02:03:57 PM
So what is it with women and not wanting to upgrade the iOS version on their phone.  Within the last few weeks I've had women ask me for help on their iPhones and not one single phone was up to date.  It would drive me insane knowing there was an update available and not installing it.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on June 02, 2015, 09:31:17 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on May 23, 2015, 10:42:59 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 22, 2015, 01:38:53 PM
Well there's bound to be a 6s coming in the fall, so they are probably starting to discount the 6 a little bit...

Don't hold your breath.  Apple typically announces those around June, so by this point there would already have been word put out that there's going to be an announcement.  My Sprint rep and I were having pretty much that exact discussion this evening.
:lmfao: :yeahright:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on June 07, 2015, 11:01:40 PM
Quote from: katmai on June 02, 2015, 09:31:17 PM
:lmfao: :yeahright:

They don't announce a release date, but usually WWDC is when they get the word out to developers that there's going to be new hardware that needs some software to go along with it.  In the meantime, changing development targets is not as simple a process as you'd think (especially when Apple doesn't exactly give out presale devices to most developers), so word starts to hit the grapevine usually around April-early May.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on June 08, 2015, 02:41:49 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on June 07, 2015, 11:01:40 PM
Quote from: katmai on June 02, 2015, 09:31:17 PM
:lmfao: :yeahright:

They don't announce a release date, but usually WWDC is when they get the word out to developers that there's going to be new hardware that needs some software to go along with it.  In the meantime, changing development targets is not as simple a process as you'd think (especially when Apple doesn't exactly give out presale devices to most developers), so word starts to hit the grapevine usually around April-early May.

I don't think that's what katmai thought was ":lmfao: :yeahright:", my guess would be "My sprint rep and I".
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on June 09, 2015, 01:50:41 PM
Apple Music won't have more songs than Spotify, in that not the entire iTunes library can be streamed.

So I guess I still have to actually buy my Bill Callahan albums. :(
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on June 09, 2015, 01:53:07 PM
Quote from: Liep on June 09, 2015, 01:50:41 PM
Apple Music won't have more songs than Spotify, in that not the entire iTunes library can be streamed.

So I guess I still have to actually buy my Bill Callahan albums. :(

Except there are some artists who refuse to allow their music to be on Spotify because it has a free service.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on June 09, 2015, 01:56:39 PM
Quote from: Barrister on June 09, 2015, 01:53:07 PM
Quote from: Liep on June 09, 2015, 01:50:41 PM
Apple Music won't have more songs than Spotify, in that not the entire iTunes library can be streamed.

So I guess I still have to actually buy my Bill Callahan albums. :(

Except there are some artists who refuse to allow their music to be on Spotify because it has a free service.

True. :hmm: Maybe there's hope.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on June 11, 2015, 04:49:47 AM
Apple does a poor job about mobile hotspots.  There is no contract on my iphone, so I normally have no internet access.  My wife has 4G access, so she normally allows my phone to use her network.  It used to work fine with her Samsung and my iphones.  She just turn on the function and I can access the internet with no problem. 

Ever since she bought her iphone 6 plus, it almost doesn't work anymore.  I can detect her network on my iphone, but it is very difficult to establish a connection.  It takes 5-6 attempts at least just to connect, then it takes another 4-5 attempts to enter the password.  I am sure that I have typed in the right password, but it is constantly rejected.  After the recent patches, the success rate has almost dwindled to zero. 

When it comes to mobile hotspots, Samsung and Android are much better. 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on June 11, 2015, 05:17:40 AM
Yeah, it usually takes 2-3 minutes before my ipad can connect to my iphone's hotspot. Doesn't matter if I try bluetooth or wifi.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on June 15, 2015, 11:53:34 PM
Well, I ended up sticking with Apple phones- picked up an iPhone 6+.

Having an actual current device is a huge difference for me.  Also, I like that the 6+ can do a landscape home screen like the iPad, since it makes more sense for me to dash-mount the phone horizontally.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on July 04, 2015, 06:39:01 AM
Apple Music takes everything that is awful about iTunes and exacerbates it by matching (or rather failing to do so) all your music with a cloud server that, to put it mildly, is under performing and dragging the already slow iTunes down to unbearable levels.

The 3 free months is all I'll bother with this if it doesn't improve vastly.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on August 10, 2015, 05:56:20 PM
Went and bought the Watch today, have I become the new Beeb?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Duque de Bragança on August 11, 2015, 04:57:05 AM
Buying the Apple Watch is much worse that anything Beeb did or even could have done.  :(
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on August 11, 2015, 04:58:57 AM
I bought an iWatch for the wife a few months ago.  She has been wearing it ever since.  The biggest advantage seems to be that she no longer misses phone calls. 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Tonitrus on August 11, 2015, 10:36:45 PM
Quote from: katmai on August 10, 2015, 05:56:20 PM
Went and bought the Watch today, have I become the new Beeb?

Or just an elitist, Hollywood thing.  <_<
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Syt on August 12, 2015, 03:15:28 AM
Quote from: katmai on August 10, 2015, 05:56:20 PM
Went and bought the Watch today, have I become the new Beeb?

Is it this one?

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/11/luxury/putin-apple-watch-russia/index.html?sr=cnnifb
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on August 12, 2015, 11:21:48 AM
You know me too well!
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 12, 2015, 12:24:34 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on August 11, 2015, 04:57:05 AM
Buying the Apple Watch is much worse that anything Beeb did or even could have done.  :(

I might still buy an Apple Watch one of these days.  I just don't want to buy v 1.0 on any Apple product. -_-
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on August 13, 2015, 03:03:06 AM
The Apple Watch 2 would have to be much, much thinner for me to consider a purchase.

Also, what's the latest on the new iPhone coming next month? Will it get a camera upgrade? If so I might upgrade from my 5.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 13, 2015, 09:25:20 AM
Quote from: Liep on August 13, 2015, 03:03:06 AM
The Apple Watch 2 would have to be much, much thinner for me to consider a purchase.

Also, what's the latest on the new iPhone coming next month? Will it get a camera upgrade? If so I might upgrade from my 5.

Rumors are faster processor, yes, a new 12MP camera, force-touch sensitivity (from Watch), and an improved fingerprint ID sensor.

http://www.macrumors.com/roundup/iphone-6s/

If you have a 5, you'll now be three models behind once the 6s comes out, so yes it's probably worth considering an upgrade - I wouldn't recommend it if you're only one or two models behind.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on August 13, 2015, 10:13:55 AM
I have an iphone 6 plus and there is no way I am buying this 6S.  None of the rumoured changes mean anything to me. 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 13, 2015, 10:19:47 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on August 13, 2015, 10:13:55 AM
I have an iphone 6 plus and there is no way I am buying this 6S.  None of the rumoured changes mean anything to me.

You'd only be one model behind.  I wouldn't recommend you get a 6s plus unless you have money to burn.  Wait until the 7s comes out.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on August 13, 2015, 10:24:18 AM
Quote from: Barrister on August 13, 2015, 10:19:47 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on August 13, 2015, 10:13:55 AM
I have an iphone 6 plus and there is no way I am buying this 6S.  None of the rumoured changes mean anything to me.

You'd only be one model behind.  I wouldn't recommend you get a 6s plus unless you have money to burn.  Wait until the 7s comes out.

My last phone was a 4S.  I only bought a 6 plus because of the significantly larger screen.  I'll only buy a new mobile if (a) my phone stops working or (b) there is a very big and specific advantage.  But as far as screen size goes I can't imagine getting an even bigger phone.  The size of the 6 plus is the largest I'll accept in a mobile phone.  Anything bigger is too large for my pocket.  So far I can't imagine any killer application that I really want.  My plan is to use this phone until it stops working.  Don't care if iphone 7, 8 or 9 is available.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 13, 2015, 10:25:37 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on August 13, 2015, 10:24:18 AM
Quote from: Barrister on August 13, 2015, 10:19:47 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on August 13, 2015, 10:13:55 AM
I have an iphone 6 plus and there is no way I am buying this 6S.  None of the rumoured changes mean anything to me.

You'd only be one model behind.  I wouldn't recommend you get a 6s plus unless you have money to burn.  Wait until the 7s comes out.

My last phone was a 4S.  I only bought a 6 plus because of the significantly larger screen.  I'll only buy a new mobile if (a) my phone stops working or (b) there is a very big and specific advantage.  But as far as screen size goes I can't imagine getting an even bigger phone.  The size of the 6 plus is the largest I'll accept in a mobile phone.  Anything bigger is too large for my pocket.  So far I can't imagine any killer application that I really want.  My plan is to use this phone until it stops working.  Don't care if iphone 7, 8 or 9 is available.

As phone processors get faster, and have more memory, you'll eventually want to upgrade even if your current phone is working.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on August 13, 2015, 10:28:32 AM
Quote from: Barrister on August 13, 2015, 10:25:37 AM


As phone processors get faster, and have more memory, you'll eventually want to upgrade even if your current phone is working.

I don't even have a contract on the phone.  I use pre-paid cards.  I mainly use the phone for phone calls and itunes.  If I don't do apps or use it for browsing, a faster processor doesn't mean much.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on August 13, 2015, 10:33:03 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on August 13, 2015, 10:28:32 AM
Quote from: Barrister on August 13, 2015, 10:25:37 AM


As phone processors get faster, and have more memory, you'll eventually want to upgrade even if your current phone is working.

I don't even have a contract on the phone.  I use pre-paid cards.  I mainly use the phone for phone calls and itunes.  If I don't do apps or use it for browsing, a faster processor doesn't mean much.

Why did you even need a bigger screen then?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on August 13, 2015, 10:34:43 AM
Quote from: Barrister on August 13, 2015, 10:33:03 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on August 13, 2015, 10:28:32 AM
Quote from: Barrister on August 13, 2015, 10:25:37 AM


As phone processors get faster, and have more memory, you'll eventually want to upgrade even if your current phone is working.

I don't even have a contract on the phone.  I use pre-paid cards.  I mainly use the phone for phone calls and itunes.  If I don't do apps or use it for browsing, a faster processor doesn't mean much.

Why did you even need a bigger screen then?

Sometimes I have free wifi access.  Like when I sit in a restaurant waiting for the wife.  The 4S screen was far too small for my taste even when I look at the itunes playlists. 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Tonitrus on August 13, 2015, 07:38:59 PM
I still use a 4S.  Works just fine.  :sleep:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on August 13, 2015, 07:53:53 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on August 13, 2015, 07:38:59 PM
I still use a 4S.  Works just fine.  :sleep:

I also use it.  I have a mainland SIM card that I put in my 4S, and I just take it with me when I go there. 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on August 14, 2015, 03:24:42 AM
We've just received a mail that our IT department is getting ready to update our apps so we can update our iPads from iOS 7.1 to 8.4! Hurray!
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Duque de Bragança on August 18, 2015, 06:33:36 AM
Quote from: Tonitrus on August 13, 2015, 07:38:59 PM
I still use a 4S.  Works just fine.  :sleep:

:yes: iOS 7.1.2  :smarty:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on August 18, 2015, 01:08:00 PM
Get in the 21st century pal.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on September 09, 2015, 12:11:49 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on June 07, 2015, 11:01:40 PM
Quote from: katmai on June 02, 2015, 09:31:17 PM
:lmfao: :yeahright:

They don't announce a release date, but usually WWDC is when they get the word out to developers that there's going to be new hardware that needs some software to go along with it.  In the meantime, changing development targets is not as simple a process as you'd think (especially when Apple doesn't exactly give out presale devices to most developers), so word starts to hit the grapevine usually around April-early May.
So DSB you were saying?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on September 09, 2015, 02:12:59 PM
The iPhone 6S looks great. Me want.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on September 09, 2015, 05:48:05 PM
Quote from: Liep on September 09, 2015, 02:12:59 PM
The iPhone 6S looks great. Me want.

I don't.  I have a 6 plus and I am happy.  See no particular reason to buy another one. 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on September 10, 2015, 10:08:50 AM
We maybe interested in the ipad pro though.  Wife uses ipad to watch videos at home.  Could use a bigger screen.

At this rate I'll probably own more Apple products than BB  :blush:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on September 10, 2015, 01:01:25 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on September 10, 2015, 10:08:50 AM
We maybe interested in the ipad pro though.  Wife uses ipad to watch videos at home.  Could use a bigger screen.

At this rate I'll probably own more Apple products than BB  :blush:

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.huffingtonpost.com%2F%2Fasset%2Fscalefit_630_noupscale%2F55f1966f1400002e002e54c6.jpeg&hash=4d4ea2a5af6d5a4e604ab43851b2a494ba725aa2)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on September 10, 2015, 08:51:06 PM
I love Microsoft myself.  The only Apple thing I really like is itunes, so I use iPod and iPhone.  Wife is a Apple fanboy though, and has iMac, iWatch, iPhone, iPod, iPad, mini-iPad, and that mouse thing that doesn't look like a mouse and can't be used like a mouse. 

As for me, Windows >>>>>>>>>>>>> MacOS  :bowler:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on September 10, 2015, 09:44:05 PM
Funny part is "live photos" looks suspiciously like a feature from the Blackberry Z10.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on September 11, 2015, 09:40:20 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on September 10, 2015, 08:51:06 PMThe only Apple thing I really like is itunes

This is the worst thing you have ever said.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on September 12, 2015, 08:53:30 AM
Quote from: Liep on September 11, 2015, 09:40:20 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on September 10, 2015, 08:51:06 PMThe only Apple thing I really like is itunes

This is the worst thing you have ever said.

Nah, not by a long ways.  Were you hanging around for the student protests in HK over universal suffrage?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on September 12, 2015, 10:25:24 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on September 12, 2015, 08:53:30 AM
Quote from: Liep on September 11, 2015, 09:40:20 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on September 10, 2015, 08:51:06 PMThe only Apple thing I really like is itunes

This is the worst thing you have ever said.

Nah, not by a long ways.  Were you hanging around for the student protests in HK over universal suffrage?

I am more than willing to discuss that topic with you, but I suggest that we do so outside this thread  ;)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on September 12, 2015, 10:53:43 AM
I don't think he wanted to 'discuss' that topic. Just using it as clear proof that Liep was incorrect in his appleheadness.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Caliga on September 17, 2015, 09:45:42 AM
iOS 9 just came out. :cool:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Duque de Bragança on September 17, 2015, 03:29:11 PM
I'll stay with iOS 7.1.2 for the time being.  :showoff:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Josephus on September 18, 2015, 11:49:50 AM
Quote from: Caliga on September 17, 2015, 09:45:42 AM
iOS 9 just came out. :cool:

Upgraded my iphone 6 to IOS 9, though there's nothing on it I think I'd ever really use.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on September 18, 2015, 12:12:28 PM
Quote from: Josephus on September 18, 2015, 11:49:50 AM
Quote from: Caliga on September 17, 2015, 09:45:42 AM
iOS 9 just came out. :cool:

Upgraded my iphone 6 to IOS 9, though there's nothing on it I think I'd ever really use.

http://crystalapp.co/
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on September 28, 2015, 08:50:36 AM
Goddamn apple.dk making me wait 2 weeks to buy the 6s+
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Berkut on October 14, 2015, 08:16:39 AM
My new job includes a better discount for Verizon. So while I was switching my plan over, on a whim, I ordered a 64GB iPhone 6S+. Back ordered until Nov. 2nd though.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on October 14, 2015, 08:25:02 AM
Quote from: Liep on September 28, 2015, 08:50:36 AM
Goddamn apple.dk making me wait 2 weeks to buy the 6s+

That seems fairly normal, at least to those of us from Hong Kong. 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on October 19, 2015, 11:07:39 AM
Anyone have any experience with Gazelle or other similar sites?  My new laptop is on the way, so I want to sell my two old Macs without fucking around with eBay.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on October 19, 2015, 11:08:48 AM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 19, 2015, 11:07:39 AM
Anyone have any experience with Gazelle or other similar sites?  My new laptop is on the way, so I want to sell my two old Macs without fucking around with eBay.

No, but let me know what you wind up doing.  I have a similar dilemma.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on October 19, 2015, 11:32:06 AM
Quote from: Barrister on October 19, 2015, 11:08:48 AM
No, but let me know what you wind up doing.  I have a similar dilemma.

Will do.  I might end up sending the Air in first as a test subject to see if I get screwed or not. 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on November 02, 2015, 11:54:16 AM
Sorry Beeb, I cancelled the new laptop order this morning and am just hanging on to the Macs for now. 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Jaron on November 04, 2015, 02:50:29 AM
My iPhone 6 + isnt big enough. I need something with a bigger screen.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on November 05, 2015, 02:35:41 AM
Quote from: Jaron on November 04, 2015, 02:50:29 AM
My iPhone 6 + isnt big enough. I need something with a bigger screen.

I'm going to assume you're being sardonic, but if you're not, the Nexus 6 and Samsung Galaxy Mega II are both 6" (exactly) screens (they actually  shrunk the Mega- the original was 6.4"), and Blu makes a 7" phone, the Blu Studio 7.0.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on December 09, 2015, 01:43:29 PM
Apple's latest invention:

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmultimedia.pol.dk%2Farchive%2F00988%2Fsmartbatterycase_988596y.jpg&hash=3d1bc6614b59f97ac7d9393bfd611267cdee9acc)

A battery case for the iPhone 6/6S. If this hadn't also been the year they designed the tasty MacBook 12 I would've thought it was all over for them.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on December 09, 2015, 05:50:22 PM
Wow.  That's.....really bad looking.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on December 09, 2015, 07:58:30 PM
Just received our new ipad Pro.  The screen is about the same size as a regular laptop.  Makes it easier for the wife to watch videos at home.  The old ipad will probably be used during our travels.  The ipad mini that we bought years ago is all but useless.   
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on January 19, 2016, 04:07:10 PM
So last night my iPhone went for an unexpected swim in the toilet. <_< :ultra: :frusty:

After I let it dry it was working for a little while, but now it's gone.

So I'm hoping that means I get a new iPhone. 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on January 19, 2016, 04:10:38 PM
did you put in rice to try to sap out moisture?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on January 19, 2016, 04:21:23 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 19, 2016, 04:10:38 PM
did you put in rice to try to sap out moisture?

Yes.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: mongers on January 19, 2016, 05:08:31 PM
What is it with people taking cellphones into the bathroom or being careless with them around water? 

It would rather spoil my mental picture of BB if I found out he posted on Languish whilst taking a dump.   :P
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on January 19, 2016, 05:17:46 PM
I was wearing a two sizes too large hoody, with the phone in the front pocket.  I leaned forward to flush, and out came the phone.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: mongers on January 19, 2016, 05:19:21 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 19, 2016, 05:17:46 PM
I was wearing a two sizes too large hoody, with the phone in the front pocket.  I leaned forward to flush, and out came the phone.

Ah, the old slot delivery launch.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on January 19, 2016, 08:27:34 PM
I heard there is a rumour that the new iphones will do away with the headphone connection holes.  Then I remember why I dislike Apple  :yucky:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Josquius on January 20, 2016, 09:26:32 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on January 19, 2016, 08:27:34 PM
I heard there is a rumour that the new iphones will do away with the headphone connection holes.  Then I remember why I dislike Apple  :yucky:
A rather strong rumour at that. Replacing standard audio ports with special apple only ones.
Considering the amount of 3rd party recharger cables out there now I wouldn't be surprised if they redesigned that again also
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on January 20, 2016, 09:37:49 AM
I don't see why that would make you dislike Apple more, the jack plug might be an old standard but you can get better sound options with a digital connection or more mobility with a bluetooth connection. Plus it'll make the phone thinner presumably.

They'll likely ship it with standard lightning/usb-c connected earphones. Of course they will also offer a more expensive quality product, but that's marketing and should be right up your alley.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on January 20, 2016, 09:42:07 AM
I returned my old iPad (got one from work instead) and got $150 for it as Apple Store credit. What should I buy?!
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on January 20, 2016, 10:37:35 AM
Quote from: Liep on January 20, 2016, 09:37:49 AM
I don't see why that would make you dislike Apple more, the jack plug might be an old standard but you can get better sound options with a digital connection or more mobility with a bluetooth connection. Plus it'll make the phone thinner presumably.

They'll likely ship it with standard lightning/usb-c connected earphones. Of course they will also offer a more expensive quality product, but that's marketing and should be right up your alley.

Yeah - the rumour is the new one will ship with earphones that connect through the lightning connector on your iPhone.  This will allow them to make the iPhone even thinner (though I'd prefer slightly thicker if they crammed more batteries in there).

It's why I don't want to get a new phone right now - if I was going to drop my iPhone in the can on purpose I would have done so after the 7 came out.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on January 20, 2016, 11:10:31 AM
Quote from: Liep on January 20, 2016, 09:37:49 AM
I don't see why that would make you dislike Apple more, the jack plug might be an old standard but you can get better sound options with a digital connection or more mobility with a bluetooth connection. Plus it'll make the phone thinner presumably.

They'll likely ship it with standard lightning/usb-c connected earphones. Of course they will also offer a more expensive quality product, but that's marketing and should be right up your alley.

Because my existing headphones won't work with them?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on January 20, 2016, 11:17:47 AM
Yes, if you already have invested in good quality headphones I can see that the $20-40 extra for a converter when buying a $700 phone is crushing.

When it comes bundled with better technology I'm fine with it, like the last time they changed the charger, the lightning connector was just much better.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on January 20, 2016, 11:43:39 AM
I can imagine there being advantages to using a digital connector for headphones rather than the fairly ancient analog 3.5mm plug.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: mongers on January 20, 2016, 02:30:55 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 20, 2016, 11:43:39 AM
I can imagine there being advantages to using a digital connector for headphones rather than the fairly ancient analog 3.5mm plug.

At what point does the sound cease to be digital?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on January 20, 2016, 02:39:13 PM
Quote from: mongers on January 20, 2016, 02:30:55 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 20, 2016, 11:43:39 AM
I can imagine there being advantages to using a digital connector for headphones rather than the fairly ancient analog 3.5mm plug.

At what point does the sound cease to be digital?

When it goes from 0s and 1s to waves?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on January 20, 2016, 08:21:42 PM
Quote from: Liep on January 20, 2016, 11:17:47 AM
Yes, if you already have invested in good quality headphones I can see that the $20-40 extra for a converter when buying a $700 phone is crushing.

When it comes bundled with better technology I'm fine with it, like the last time they changed the charger, the lightning connector was just much better.

My headphones are cheap, no where near US$700.  I just don't want to throw away perfectly good and working headphones just because Apple decided to change the gold standard in audio connection  <_<
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Admiral Yi on January 22, 2016, 04:39:50 PM
NPR's Science Friday dude had the former Apple design chief on today.  He was saying Jobs used to be the final say on design issues, and ever since his death they've stopped giving a shit about usability.  On the flip side, the fact that he's the *former* design chief could have something to do with his position.

Probably podcasted if you're interested.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on January 22, 2016, 04:57:08 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 22, 2016, 04:39:50 PM
NPR's Science Friday dude had the former Apple design chief on today.  He was saying Jobs used to be the final say on design issues, and ever since his death they've stopped giving a shit about usability.  On the flip side, the fact that he's the *former* design chief could have something to do with his position.

Probably podcasted if you're interested.

On the one hand - that's the problem with living in the shadow of a legend.  Everything is going to be said "that's not how Steve would have done it".

On the other hand, a couple of recent products do seem kind of clunky.  Apple Watch, for example.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on January 27, 2016, 05:02:45 PM
So I have a "new to me" iPhone 5s sitting on my desk.  It was sitting on the office manager's desk for the last two days.  We're waiting for tech guys to wipe and set up the phone now.  <_<
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Berkut on January 28, 2016, 09:50:02 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 19, 2016, 04:21:23 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 19, 2016, 04:10:38 PM
did you put in rice to try to sap out moisture?

Yes.

You know that does nothing at all, right?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on February 08, 2016, 03:32:14 PM
What a clusterfuck this has been.  It took almost a week for me to track down the tech.  Then over the next week we discovered this phone was linked into the apple account of the daughter of the guy who used to have the phone, and they couldn't figure out how to un-link it.

So now I've been given an iPhone 5 that seems to work.  However the OS is 2 generations old.  I need to take it home to update the OS over wifi so that I can link it to my email and calendar. <_<
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on February 08, 2016, 09:33:21 PM
Although a pleasant surprise - for a gov't issue iPhone (i.e. cheap), it appears to be 32 gb memory.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on September 08, 2016, 07:11:50 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/07/apple-airpods-launch-problems-with-wireless-headphones

QuoteEarth to Apple: wireless Airpod headphones are like a tampon without a string

Consumers are perplexed by Apple's new iPhone 7 AirPods because of one obvious oversight: that string is there so they don't get lost

Apple's new wireless AirPods, introduced today at the launch of the iPhone 7, deliver a "magical experience," the senior vice-president of marketing, Phil Schiller, promised.

They will disappear before your very eyes.

The AirPods look exactly like Apple's traditional earbuds, minus the cord. The cost of making your headphones five times more likely to fall irretrievably into a grate is a more than five times increase in price, to $159.

Apple is rolling out the AirPods alongside its new, headphone jack-free iPhone 7. In a presentation that denigrated the trusty (and conveniently universal) headphone jack as "ancient" technology, Schiller declared that the change was about something bigger than naked commercialism.

"The reason to move on, it really comes down to one word: courage," he said. "The courage to move on to do something that betters all of us."


The phones will come with wired earbuds that connect through the Lightning connector, a change that will unhelpfully preclude users from charging their phones at the same time they talk on the phone or listen to music.

(Schiller boasted that there are now more than 900m Lightning-adapted devices in the world today, which may be less a testament to the cord's popularity than its tendency to fall apart after a few month's use.)

But wired headphones are for those who lack the courage (and cash) to go wireless, right?

"It makes no sense to tether ourselves with cables to our mobile devices," Schiller said, apparently forgetting the meaning of the word mobile.


The AirPods will come with a little charging case (they only work for five hours before needing a charge), and have sensors that detect when they are in your ear. They include a microphone that beams toward your mouth so you can still talk on the phone. And they respond to touch, so you can tap on your ear to pick up or hang up the phone.

As far as style goes, the AirPods resemble the EarPods from the Season 2 episode of Doctor Who in which a megalomaniac billionaire has convinced the populace to purchase the wireless devices as a means to conduct communication and receive all their information, only to turn around and deploy them as a weapon that hacked into their brains and turned them into soulless, emotionless, homicidal metal automatons.

But the real problem with the AirPods is the obvious problem with the AirPods: they are simply asking to be lost.

The beauty of the headphone cable is not its tendency to get tangled up or its antiquated technology. It does not add anything to the primary function of the device.

The beauty of the headphone cable is just like the beauty of a tampon string: it is there to help you keep track of a very important item, and help you fish it out of whatever nook and cranny it might have fallen into.

Apple's apparent blindness to this blindingly obvious problem is perplexing. Perhaps Apple's vaunted design team would benefit from hiring a few more women.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on September 09, 2016, 02:09:48 AM
Tampon or no tampon there's a queue on the Danish pre-order website. :(
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on September 09, 2016, 09:53:26 AM
I love it.  Apple has managed to go backwards in terms of its usefulness for audiophiles.  So now, not only are you compressing your music but unless your music app has shelled out the licensing to use the AptX codec (Apple may or may not have done this for the Music app in iOS, but knowing the AAC compression issue, I doubt it), you're limited to an average of 194kbps, with an absolute peak of 384kbps.  Nowhere near the 800kbps typically associated with lossless formats.

So if they want audiophiles to keep using the Music app on their iPhones for music, they need to roll out iOS 11 with the ability to copy lossless as well as AAC audio, and they need to license the AptX codec to keep lossless quality over Bluetooth bitrates.  It's not happening.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Caliga on September 13, 2016, 04:06:23 PM
Installed iOS 10 on my iPhone 6 today.  No issues so far.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on September 13, 2016, 04:11:17 PM
Quote from: Caliga on September 13, 2016, 04:06:23 PM
Installed iOS 10 on my iPhone 6 today.  No issues so far.

I'm waiting to see how the internet reacts to iOS 10 on an iPhone 5.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on September 21, 2016, 08:25:58 PM
Quote from: Caliga on September 13, 2016, 04:06:23 PM
Installed iOS 10 on my iPhone 6 today.  No issues so far.

Check out the emojis.  They replaced the revolver emoji with a green squirt gun with an orange safety barrel.   :mad:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on September 23, 2016, 11:31:50 AM
Quote from: Liep on September 13, 2016, 04:11:17 PM
Quote from: Caliga on September 13, 2016, 04:06:23 PM
Installed iOS 10 on my iPhone 6 today.  No issues so far.

I'm waiting to see how the internet reacts to iOS 10 on an iPhone 5.

They reacted well and I installed. A great iOS so far.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 23, 2016, 11:35:36 AM
iOS 10 has been fine on my iPhone 5.

Only slightly wonky thing is the 5 doesn't have the fingerprint sensor, but they've taken away "swipe to unlock".  So now you need to press the home button twice, with a pause in between, to unlock.  It's a PITA to unlearn that old muscle memory.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on September 23, 2016, 12:45:06 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 23, 2016, 11:35:36 AM
iOS 10 has been fine on my iPhone 5.

Only slightly wonky thing is the 5 doesn't have the fingerprint sensor, but they've taken away "swipe to unlock".  So now you need to press the home button twice, with a pause in between, to unlock.  It's a PITA to unlearn that old muscle memory.

There's no setting that can be toggled somewhere to reactivate swipe to unlock?  Ugh.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on September 28, 2016, 08:55:00 AM
Got my iPhone 7 Plus, trying to use my settings from old phone required a software update to 10.02, that didn't work out well.

Trying again. It looks pretty though, perhaps too big (older phone was a 5).
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on September 28, 2016, 10:55:57 AM
Quote from: Liep on September 28, 2016, 08:55:00 AM
Got my iPhone 7 Plus, trying to use my settings from old phone required a software update to 10.02, that didn't work out well.

Trying again. It looks pretty though, perhaps too big (older phone was a 5).

Just out of curiosity, if you were happier with the 5, why didn't you go for the SE, since it uses the same shell with almost the same feature set as the 6S?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on September 28, 2016, 11:01:16 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on September 28, 2016, 10:55:57 AM
Quote from: Liep on September 28, 2016, 08:55:00 AM
Got my iPhone 7 Plus, trying to use my settings from old phone required a software update to 10.02, that didn't work out well.

Trying again. It looks pretty though, perhaps too big (older phone was a 5).

Just out of curiosity, if you were happier with the 5, why didn't you go for the SE, since it uses the same shell with almost the same feature set as the 6S?

I don't yet know if I was happier with the 5 since I've had the 7 for just a few hours.

And I definitely wanted something bigger as the phone is all I bring when travelling and the screen was too small to watch movies on. Going Plus was a risk, but I figure it can't more than annoy me a little and maybe it'll turn out brilliant.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on September 28, 2016, 11:06:35 AM
Quote from: Liep on September 28, 2016, 11:01:16 AM
I don't yet know if I was happier with the 5 since I've had the 7 for just a few hours.

And I definitely wanted something bigger as the phone is all I bring when travelling and the screen was too small to watch movies on. Going Plus was a risk, but I figure it can't more than annoy me a little and maybe it'll turn out brilliant.

Ah, gotcha.  And yeah, after a couple days, you'll get used to the bulk in your pocket.  FWIW, the basic 7 is still on the small side- the Android offerings mostly gravitate toward the range of screen sizes of around 5.5-5.7 inches.  To non-Apple people, a "big" phone is 6 inches and up.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Josephus on October 08, 2016, 09:09:00 AM
Quote from: Berkut on January 28, 2016, 09:50:02 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 19, 2016, 04:21:23 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 19, 2016, 04:10:38 PM
did you put in rice to try to sap out moisture?

Yes.

You know that does nothing at all, right?

Disagree. (I know it's an old thread). A couple years ago my then new Iphone six had a swim in the washing machine. It was a quick drop and i pulled it out really qucikly but it was wet and wouldn't work. I left it in a bag of rice for a day and it's been working fine ever since.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on October 08, 2016, 10:53:27 PM
Hey if anyone ever wanted a Magsafe type connection for their phones, Goat Case is having a sale on their charging doohickey: https://www.goatcase.com/products/goat-magnetic-charging-cable?lssrc=popular&variant=23450906817

Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on October 11, 2016, 07:51:29 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 08, 2016, 10:53:27 PM
Hey if anyone ever wanted a Magsafe type connection for their phones, Goat Case is having a sale on their charging doohickey: https://www.goatcase.com/products/goat-magnetic-charging-cable?lssrc=popular&variant=23450906817



Tempting, but I've already got to put ferrite chokes on my third-party Lightning cables because of all the EM bleed- I couldn't have my phone anywhere near a speaker with one of these.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Zanza on October 27, 2016, 01:34:47 AM
Microsoft may have beaten Apple at its own game and redefined the form factor for desktop PCs and have a design to match...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzMLA8YIgG0
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on October 27, 2016, 03:02:45 AM
Quote from: Zanza on October 27, 2016, 01:34:47 AM
Microsoft may have beaten Apple at its own game and redefined the form factor for desktop PCs and have a design to match...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzMLA8YIgG0

That's pretty cool.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: HVC on October 27, 2016, 06:22:57 PM
Looks cool, but that base doesn't look like it would be stable enough for a screen that size unless there's a sticky pad or something
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on October 29, 2016, 01:28:11 AM
So........the iPhone needs an adapter to plug into the MacBooks, but Google's Pixel doesn't?  Steve Jobs would be ultra pissed at everyone.  C'mon, Apple.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: HVC on November 04, 2016, 07:13:16 PM
Apparently the new mac book pro cuts off wifi when you plug into the usb c port. Courage!
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: mongers on November 19, 2016, 01:25:01 PM
Facetime, a quick question.

My brother lives in remote parts at the other end of the country, broadband doesn't really function, but they get a good 3G signal, his family uses iPhones, so I'd like to give my old dear a way of video chatting with them.

Am I right in thinking if I buy her an Ipad Mini 2 or the latest iPod Touch, I'll be able to  set it up for her so she can use Facetime over wifi to video call them?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on November 19, 2016, 01:36:40 PM
Sure.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: mongers on November 19, 2016, 01:43:15 PM
Quote from: Liep on November 19, 2016, 01:36:40 PM
Sure.

Thanks, I'll give it a go.

Not sure what to get here an Ipad Mini or Touch?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on November 19, 2016, 01:50:46 PM
Mini is 7.9" screen vs 4" for touch.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on November 19, 2016, 01:55:02 PM
I'd go for the mini if Facetime is primary concern and if it's a home device.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: mongers on November 19, 2016, 02:22:56 PM
Quote from: Liep on November 19, 2016, 01:55:02 PM
I'd go for the mini if Facetime is primary concern and if it's a home device.

Thanks.

And you too Katmai.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Berkut on November 24, 2016, 02:30:44 AM
So I start this new job on Monday, and I went in today to pick up my new laptop.

New company is all Mac, so my new laptop is a MacBook Pro 13. Has the new fangled Touch Bar, and a 2.9GhZ processor with 16GB of RAM.

I've never really used a Mac much...and certainly not for work. I am very impressed so far. I can run windows via Fusion without a need to even reboot.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Arvoreen on December 05, 2016, 01:30:43 PM
I've been on a MacBook Pro 15" for the last 4 years....I don't think I really ever want to go back to any other laptop.  I don't bother with Fusion or any other Windows related crap, but stick to OS X and it is has been great for development.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on January 24, 2017, 03:51:52 PM
I've seen AirPods in the wild twice now. They look weird but not as weird as I expected.

Anyone here tried them?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Josephus on January 24, 2017, 05:55:47 PM
Is it just me or is Apple rolling out updates to its OS with all the frequency of Windows these days?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Duque de Bragança on January 28, 2017, 08:17:37 AM
Quote from: Josephus on January 24, 2017, 05:55:47 PM
Is it just me or is Apple rolling out updates to its OS with all the frequency of Windows these days?

Not just you. However, they stay free, unlike Windows, despite the Windows 10 promotion last year.
Mac OS updates are also less spectacular nowadays IMO.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: viper37 on January 31, 2017, 10:28:36 AM
Anyone here ever had a problem with an Hotmail account on an iPhone?

I bought an iPhone 5 for my dad's girlfriend a while ago, and now we're having problem setting up her email account.
It seems to me like it worked in the past, but we might have changed her password at some point, and now it just won't recognize the new password.

She finally remembered her password yesterday night (what a fucking setup, she put her daughter's phone# as backup to receive the code when we change the password but she's in Quebec city...), so I typed it in her computer, and it works.  Tried for an hour retyping the password on her phone and it never works.

Most of the time I get a message "unable to reach server" and maybe one out of 10 times I get "username/password invalid".  I checked&rechecked, it's a simple password and I'm typing it exactly as I type it on the computer.

I started an update to iOS yesterday night and I intend to go back this evening and try again, but I'm totally lost on these fucking piece of shit... so any help would be appreciated.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on February 01, 2017, 10:19:25 AM
Quote from: viper37 on January 31, 2017, 10:28:36 AM
Anyone here ever had a problem with an Hotmail account on an iPhone?

I bought an iPhone 5 for my dad's girlfriend a while ago, and now we're having problem setting up her email account.
It seems to me like it worked in the past, but we might have changed her password at some point, and now it just won't recognize the new password.

She finally remembered her password yesterday night (what a fucking setup, she put her daughter's phone# as backup to receive the code when we change the password but she's in Quebec city...), so I typed it in her computer, and it works.  Tried for an hour retyping the password on her phone and it never works.

Most of the time I get a message "unable to reach server" and maybe one out of 10 times I get "username/password invalid".  I checked&rechecked, it's a simple password and I'm typing it exactly as I type it on the computer.

I started an update to iOS yesterday night and I intend to go back this evening and try again, but I'm totally lost on these fucking piece of shit... so any help would be appreciated.

The problem is probably with the account config being out of date or having two-factor authentication on.

You mentioned her daughter's phone is in the mix, so you might need to make sure 2FA is disabled.  Also, not sure how long ago the account was set up, but Hotmail accounts need to be put back in as Outlook.com accounts post-merger between Microsoft Mail and Hotmail (or as an Exchange account if an older version of iOS that doesn't have Outlook.com as an option).
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: viper37 on February 01, 2017, 10:55:00 AM
I think I'm gonna delete the account and recreate it on the iPhone, I'll see from there.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: HVC on February 02, 2017, 01:43:13 PM
Yeah, delete and recreate. somewhere in the last updates they changed how to long onto your Hotmail/outlook account. there's no section to input your password, but when you try to open up a Hotmail email folder you'll get directed to a webpage which asks you to give first your password and then your consent to get emails. not sure when the changed that, but updating your password caused things to break down.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: viper37 on February 04, 2017, 02:39:04 PM
Quote from: HVC on February 02, 2017, 01:43:13 PM
Yeah, delete and recreate. somewhere in the last updates they changed how to long onto your Hotmail/outlook account. there's no section to input your password, but when you try to open up a Hotmail email folder you'll get directed to a webpage which asks you to give first your password and then your consent to get emails. not sure when the changed that, but updating your password caused things to break down.
must have been this.  It worked like a charm once I recreated it :)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: LaCroix on February 07, 2017, 05:41:11 PM
my girlfriend has itunes (account #1) on her old laptop, and she has itunes (account #2) on her iphone. is there a way to get her music library from her laptop to her iphone?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on February 07, 2017, 05:45:36 PM
Sorcery.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on February 07, 2017, 06:06:05 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 07, 2017, 05:45:36 PM
Sorcery.

More or less.  You have to use another computer with iTunes Account #2, find and copy the actual AAC/MP3/whatever files from computer/account #1, and then merge the manifest files so that computer/account #2 can see both sets of music.

That, or burn lots of CDs from account 1 and rip them to account 2.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: LaCroix on February 07, 2017, 06:14:33 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on February 07, 2017, 06:06:05 PMMore or less.  You have to use another computer with iTunes Account #2, find and copy the actual AAC/MP3/whatever files from computer/account #1, and then merge the manifest files so that computer/account #2 can see both sets of music.

That, or burn lots of CDs from account 1 and rip them to account 2.

I've got another computer that can download itunes and presumably log into her account #2. so I look through the folders on her old computer (account #1) for the files. once I find the files... "merge the manifest files" is where I'm lost
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on February 08, 2017, 08:39:55 AM
Quote from: LaCroix on February 07, 2017, 06:14:33 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on February 07, 2017, 06:06:05 PMMore or less.  You have to use another computer with iTunes Account #2, find and copy the actual AAC/MP3/whatever files from computer/account #1, and then merge the manifest files so that computer/account #2 can see both sets of music.

That, or burn lots of CDs from account 1 and rip them to account 2.

I've got another computer that can download itunes and presumably log into her account #2. so I look through the folders on her old computer (account #1) for the files. once I find the files... "merge the manifest files" is where I'm lost

It depends how old the music on it is.  For songs added pre-2009, you'll need to get around Apple's DRM.  2009 and later, you can pretty much move the files en masse and import them to iTunes library #2.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: LaCroix on February 10, 2017, 08:13:40 PM
ty
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Grey Fox on February 13, 2017, 02:29:03 PM
Foxconn has started buying equipment for production of the iPhone 10.

As if you had any doubts more were coming.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: HVC on February 13, 2017, 07:32:34 PM
What happened to 8 and 9?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on February 13, 2017, 08:11:21 PM
I just heard a very disturbing rumour that iphone 8 will have wireless charging. 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Grey Fox on February 13, 2017, 09:09:03 PM
Quote from: HVC on February 13, 2017, 07:32:34 PM
What happened to 8 and 9?

Incoming. Equipment is being installed.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on February 14, 2017, 02:19:08 PM
Not surprised.  Most of the major differences between the models have been aesthetic or added features that didn't require major changes to the core components (the CPU, motion coprocessor, GPU, or memory or storage).  Depending where they are in the life cycle, the chipset's cores could be overclocked to make an "A10" into an "A11" or an "A12" (AKA, what Intel did all through the '90s), so I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out they're stockpiling in advance of that.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on March 02, 2017, 08:25:31 PM
My wife just bought me those wireless Apple headphones. 

Seems easy to install and use.  I admit the only thing I did was say "my love can you do this for me", followed by multiple kisses.  And that was it.

So I put the iphone in my shirt pocket and went to the gym. 

It worked.  It really did.  At no time during the exercise did I feel that there was any disruption to the music.  Sound quality was ok for headphones of this size.  I mean it wasn't great, but it certainly met expectations. 

Amazingly, they didn't fall off, even when I was on the running machine.  They just stayed here.  Very pleased with this. 

Batteries seem to last for at least an hour.  The charging arrangements are nice.  They gave me a little plastic box.  I plugged it with a wire, and there was a tiny light that changed to green colour when the charging was done. 

I have no idea what the effective distance between the headphones and the iphone was.  I assume it works within 1-2 feet. 

Downsides - (1) price tag (I have no idea actually, she bought them).  (2) There was no on/off switch.  So I didn't know how to turn it off when I went home.  I just turned off the iphone and put the headphones a few feet away.  (3) Can't connect the headphones with a really old mini-ipod that I have.  I prefer taking the ipod to the gym because it is much smaller and lighter. 

Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on May 27, 2017, 01:37:56 PM
Help! I don't know what I pressed but the apps on my iPhone has started to open up popping in from the right side of the screen instead of just opening. It's a bit annoying so how can I change it back? Google failed me for once, probably because I can't accurately describe the problem
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: viper37 on June 07, 2017, 09:39:17 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1pyllr86Bk
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: The Minsky Moment on June 15, 2017, 04:45:33 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on March 02, 2017, 08:25:31 PM
My wife just bought me those wireless Apple headphones.   

I've got no problem with Apple making their own headphones.
But I already have a few different headphones/earphones I like.  And Apple won't let me use them on their post-6 phones unless I attach their fiddly little adapter. 
Hey I get it - you can't charge licensing fees on the good old, tried and tested public domain headphone jack.  But if you railroad everyone into your obnoxious proprietary connection solution that changes every few years, you can print more money.


Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on June 15, 2017, 07:49:29 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 15, 2017, 04:45:33 PM
I've got no problem with Apple making their own headphones.
But I already have a few different headphones/earphones I like.  And Apple won't let me use them on their post-6 phones unless I attach their fiddly little adapter. 
Hey I get it - you can't charge licensing fees on the good old, tried and tested public domain headphone jack.  But if you railroad everyone into your obnoxious proprietary connection solution that changes every few years, you can print more money.

It's how mega companies like Apple stay competitive.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on August 07, 2017, 12:39:57 PM
Work finally upgraded us to the 7 now. Is it just me or is the touch portion (previously a button) incredibly cheap feeling? I keep feeling the phone is going to break apart with the odd motion.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on August 08, 2017, 03:50:06 PM
just you darling.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on August 08, 2017, 03:50:57 PM
It isn't. I confirmed with all of my staff. :blurgh:

#fuckapple
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: mongers on August 08, 2017, 04:05:26 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 08, 2017, 03:50:57 PM
It isn't. I confirmed with all of my staff. :blurgh:

#fuckapple

So both of you think the same, big deal.

:P
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: HVC on August 08, 2017, 04:16:55 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 08, 2017, 03:50:57 PM
It isn't. I confirmed with all of my staff. :blurgh:

#fuckapple

"do you guys agree with me? I have to prove a point to this Mexican guy on the internet. Btw you're fired if you don't agree with me"

:P I have a 7, seems fine to me, though it took a while to get used to the non-mechanical home.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on August 08, 2017, 04:18:31 PM
Quote from: HVC on August 08, 2017, 04:16:55 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 08, 2017, 03:50:57 PM
It isn't. I confirmed with all of my staff. :blurgh:

#fuckapple

"do you guys agree with me? I have to prove a point to this Mexican guy on the internet. Btw you're fired if you don't agree with me"

:P I have a 7, seems fine to me, though it took a while to get used to the non-mechanical home.

I don't threaten to fire anyone. I've already done that so its just baked into everything I say. -_-
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on August 08, 2017, 04:21:44 PM
Anyway, fuck y'all.

https://www.cultofmac.com/444628/iphone-7-home-button-may-not-love-first-feel/

https://www.howtogeek.com/308757/why-does-the-home-button-on-my-iphone-7-feel-weird/

https://www.macobserver.com/columns-opinions/editorial/hands-iphone-7-home-button-disappointing-haptic-feedback-increased-functionality/

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207188
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on August 09, 2017, 01:55:43 AM
you'll get used to it soon. i prefer it now to the old button which feels clunky when i use a 6
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on August 19, 2017, 11:55:16 AM
I finally got to play around with a Macbook Pro w/ touchbar last week.  It does some pretty cool things, but I couldn't help but feel like it would just be faster to just use the pointer and click on something like normal instead.  I dug the Safari tabs being on there, for example, but....why would I poke the touchbar when I can just click the tab using the trackpad?  Can those actions be changed, or are they fixed? 

Basically I'm trying to talk myself out of trading in my old (2014) Pro for the new hotness.  :P
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on September 12, 2017, 04:52:45 PM
New toys, iPhone X with Face ID and a bigger screen in a smaller body. $999 for the basic configuration though and that's probably well over €1100 here. :hmm:

I might finally try out the apple watch though, seems like a fun toy now that it has LTE.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on September 17, 2017, 07:40:44 AM
Let's tinker for the sake of tinkering!

QuoteChanges in the new iTunes

Learn about changes to Apps, iTunes U, Internet Radio, and more.

The new iTunes focuses on music, movies, TV shows, podcasts, and audiobooks. Apps for iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch are now exclusively available in the new App Store for iOS. And the new App Store makes it easy to get, update, and redownload apps—all without a Mac or PC.

You'll find these changes in the new iTunes:

    Apps: Looking for your past iOS app downloads? Learn how to redownload apps on your iOS device.
    iTunes U: Collections of iTunes U content appear in the Podcasts section of iTunes.
    Internet Radio: Your Internet Radio stations appear in your music library's sidebar. Click Edit in the sidebar to show or hide Internet Radio.
    Ringtones: iOS 11 supports redownloading ringtones directly to your iOS device, without the need to use iTunes on your Mac or PC.
    Books on Windows: Books on iTunes for Windows are managed in iBooks for iOS. Learn how to redownload books on an iOS device.

Manage apps and other content

You can find iOS apps, ringtones, and books (PC only) that you've already downloaded in your iTunes Media folder.

If you have an iOS app, ringtone, or book that's no longer available for redownload, you can move that content to your iOS device while plugged in to a computer with a USB cable.

Published Date: Sep 12, 2017
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Berkut on September 30, 2017, 06:29:59 AM
So  my new job is contemplating switching from Lenovo laptops over to Macs.

I have been tasked with deciding which macbook should be the "standard" developers machine.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on September 30, 2017, 07:05:50 AM
Quote from: Berkut on September 30, 2017, 06:29:59 AM
So  my new job is contemplating switching from Lenovo laptops over to Macs.

I have been tasked with deciding which macbook should be the "standard" developers machine.

Thoughts?

The tiniest.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Threviel on October 02, 2017, 11:21:50 PM
Quote from: Berkut on September 30, 2017, 06:29:59 AM
So  my new job is contemplating switching from Lenovo laptops over to Macs.

I have been tasked with deciding which macbook should be the "standard" developers machine.

Thoughts?

One of the 13" Pros. Preferably with an i7 if there's a lot of compiling or VHDL stuff to do.

The 15" with four cores if there's a lot of virtual machining to do.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Berkut on October 03, 2017, 07:21:28 AM
Most of our work is pretty straightforward, and not at all processor intensive.

I am mostly concerned with the ancillary stuff, like how do I estimate costs of accessories, how do I get reasonably priced support if needed, how do I estimate the cost of software we need, like Fuision Ware?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Tamas on October 03, 2017, 07:44:15 AM
Quote from: Berkut on October 03, 2017, 07:21:28 AM
Most of our work is pretty straightforward, and not at all processor intensive.

I am mostly concerned with the ancillary stuff, like how do I estimate costs of accessories, how do I get reasonably priced support if needed, how do I estimate the cost of software we need, like Fuision Ware?

Use this as illustration:

(https://i.giphy.com/media/VTxmwaCEwSlZm/200.gif)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on October 03, 2017, 11:25:02 AM
Quote from: Berkut on October 03, 2017, 07:21:28 AM
Most of our work is pretty straightforward, and not at all processor intensive.

I am mostly concerned with the ancillary stuff, like how do I estimate costs of accessories, how do I get reasonably priced support if needed, how do I estimate the cost of software we need, like Fuision Ware?

You can get Applecare with the computers you buy for support.  I don't know if there's something special they do here when they order it (I don't know if there's a special type they get for organizations, for example, but I do know they can all go to the Apple Store if I were ever so inclined to take them, which....I'm not :P) or if you would consider that reasonably priced or not though.   You might want to give Apple a call and talk to them about pricing for organizations.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Arvoreen on October 04, 2017, 04:07:30 PM
I will point out that my MacBook has been the best laptop ever issued to me by any company I've worked for.  I've had mine for 4 years (and it is a mid-2012 model) that is still rocking solid and fully up to everything I throw at it (full IntelliJ IDE running, multiple chrome windows, running multiple application servers for debugging, plus local postgres, etc)

I can check with our ops team to see what they do for support (applecare, something else?).

Since we have a lot of the older, pre-usb-c devices, we have loads of extra adaptors, dongles, etc available.  I can't speak to the costs of corresponding usb-c devices.

If you go with the newer USB-C MacBooks, make sure you get the ones that come with 4 USB-C ports, not the low-end 13" ones that only have 2.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on October 12, 2017, 09:10:10 AM
Quote from: Berkut on September 30, 2017, 06:29:59 AM
So  my new job is contemplating switching from Lenovo laptops over to Macs.

I have been tasked with deciding which macbook should be the "standard" developers machine.

Thoughts?

Developer's machines take a little more thought than just which Macbook to get- are they going to be running multiple projects simultaneously? Probably want to upgrade the processors. Are they going to be running their projects in virtual machines? Probably want to upgrade the processors AND the RAM. Docker containers? Maybe not so much RAM. Also, compiled, JIT compiled, or interpreted languages? Because you're going to want more firepower depending on the load running the project is going to take- C could be developed on a potato, Java is going to need at least a decent salad, and running a server for a scripted language like JS or Python or Ruby on Rails is going to need some serious steak and potatoes...
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on October 13, 2017, 11:47:43 AM
The updated Apple iOS 11 is more life- and energy-draining than any girlfriend.  Goddamn.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on October 13, 2017, 12:00:24 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 13, 2017, 11:47:43 AM
The updated Apple iOS 11 is more life- and energy-draining than any girlfriend.  Goddamn.

On the plus side I'm told my iPhone 5 does not support iOS 11, and that certain government-required software will need iOS 11, I'm apparently getting an upgrade (at some point).
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on October 13, 2017, 01:09:35 PM
Yeah, you're definitely going to get one;  the 5 simply doesn't have the horsepower for it.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on October 13, 2017, 04:18:05 PM
My iPad is still on 10.3.3;  11 has not been pushed out yet for other devices and it's my understanding that 11 is so buggy that 11.1 is already in beta.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on October 15, 2017, 10:45:04 AM
I bought an Apple Watch and I'm quite fond of it already, it doesn't have a podcast app though so I have to play episodes through Siri if I don't want to get my phone up. After 20 minutes I got the Danish Siri to understand 'The Bugle' by what I can only call a voice hack.

Technology rocks. :P
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on October 15, 2017, 10:47:30 AM
What a weirdo.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on October 15, 2017, 10:51:56 AM
Quote from: garbon on October 15, 2017, 10:47:30 AM
What a weirdo.

Well it should work on the first go from now on. And it had no problem understanding 'Dårligdommerne'. :w00t:
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on October 15, 2017, 03:46:09 PM
It is simply impossible to make Siri play King Krule - The OOZ, a deal breaker so I've switched to the English version. It makes me feel even more like a jackass.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on October 26, 2017, 09:38:18 AM
How well will a MacBook or the cheapest MacBook Pro fare with EU4 or FM17?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Duque de Bragança on October 26, 2017, 04:57:31 PM
So they have SSDs which helps...
I expect they will have Intel chipsets so worse than old graphic cards. OTOH, with Thunderbolt you can link them to an external graphic card and ultimately to an external screen. Not very practical though.
So not very well I'm afraid, though you could always install Windows via Bootcamp for the better performance though some of it will be lost by the overheating/fans working more on Windows.

Give their specs though, maybe the cheapest MacBook Pro is not so bad after all.  :P

PS: checked their specs
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on October 26, 2017, 08:07:16 PM
My macbook pro is top of the line from early 2015, runs both of those fine :P
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Duque de Bragança on October 27, 2017, 12:36:15 PM
MacBook Pro top of the line means a real discrete graphic card so I am not surprised.  :P
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on October 27, 2017, 03:22:27 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on October 27, 2017, 12:36:15 PM
MacBook Pro top of the line means a real discrete graphic card so I am not surprised.  :P
Yeah it is a GeForce  GT 750. Haven't tried Total War Warhammer, but had no issues with X-COM II as well as Liep's aforementioned games.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Duque de Bragança on October 27, 2017, 03:47:25 PM
I have a top of the line Mac Book Pro and that's the only good thing I can say.

[spoiler]Mid-2010 so discrete graphic card but unable to run XCOM II for instance.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on October 27, 2017, 03:58:25 PM
I am as big an Apple guy as you'll find, but if gaming is a concern you pretty much have to go with Windows.  It's not that you can't game on a Mac (you can), and it's not that you can't dual boot into Windows if the game lacks a Mac version, but the general lack of discrete graphics cards is what does you in.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Oexmelin on October 30, 2017, 01:53:08 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 13, 2017, 11:47:43 AM
The updated Apple iOS 11 is more life- and energy-draining than any girlfriend.  Goddamn.

Yep. My ipad is basically useless now.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: mongers on October 30, 2017, 03:41:45 PM
Quote from: Oexmelin on October 30, 2017, 01:53:08 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 13, 2017, 11:47:43 AM
The updated Apple iOS 11 is more life- and energy-draining than any girlfriend.  Goddamn.

Yep. My ipad is basically useless now.

I guessed this might be the case with my ipod touch 6th if I tried the 'upgrade', so didn't bother.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Ed Anger on October 30, 2017, 06:31:09 PM
I'm still grinding with my iPad 2. Makes for a nice Tablet while on the shitter.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DontSayBanana on November 01, 2017, 07:29:17 AM
So at work, our IT department got an email from Apple that iOS 9 would no longer be supported as of November 1. Apparently, they only send it if an iOS 9 device registered to us has been online in the past 30 days, so we've got to find out who's still got a 4S or a 5 and hit it with a claw hammer hard reboot it to make sure it's not connecting to our network.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on November 01, 2017, 07:36:48 AM
Shame.  I really liked my 4s.  Just the right size.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on November 01, 2017, 07:41:42 AM
Get an SE then.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on November 01, 2017, 10:05:14 AM
No.  Go fuck yourself.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on November 01, 2017, 02:58:01 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 01, 2017, 10:05:14 AM
No.  Go fuck yourself.
Love you too boo.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: HVC on November 08, 2017, 03:51:36 PM
ios 11.1 broke the calculator app. way to go apple. Zombie Steve Jobs has gotta be pissed.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on December 03, 2017, 09:28:11 PM
Quote from: HVC on November 08, 2017, 03:51:36 PM
Zombie Steve Jobs has gotta be pissed.

I'm really getting fed up with Apple and its need to change shit for the sake of changing shit. Makes me want to shatter a hipster app developer's jaw with a motherfucking framing hammer. 

Fuck.  I think I'm done with these fucking monkeys.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: HVC on December 03, 2017, 11:12:06 PM
Blame hipsters all you want, but you know it's some out of touch gen Xer going on about innovation and using the word synergy incorrectly
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on December 04, 2017, 01:41:11 AM
Quote from: HVC on December 03, 2017, 11:12:06 PM
Blame hipsters all you want, but you know it's some out of touch gen Xer going on about innovation and using the word synergy incorrectly

But it's being used ironically.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: schaksen on December 05, 2017, 03:29:55 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 04, 2017, 01:41:11 AM
Quote from: HVC on December 03, 2017, 11:12:06 PM
Blame hipsters all you want, but you know it's some out of touch gen Xer going on about innovation and using the word synergy incorrectly

But it's being used ironically.
Nah we are over the days of irony, now its only about disruption driven innovation, making it okay for bosses to be dicks, because it's disrupting and thus innovation.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on December 15, 2017, 11:53:05 PM
My 6 Plus contracted the dreaded Touch Disease.  Prognosis was terminal, and sliding downhill fast.  Ordered an 8 Plus.   :blush: #FeelLikeAWhore


Just couldn't pull the trigger on the X.  Looks like too much new funkiness.  Old guy likes his home button.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on December 16, 2017, 12:37:09 AM
My 5 is having a terrible time taking a charge.  I have to wiggle the cable this way and that until I get the charging symbol, if I get it at all.

<_<
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Tonitrus on December 17, 2017, 03:34:49 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 15, 2017, 11:53:05 PM
My 6 Plus contracted the dreaded Touch Disease.  Prognosis was terminal, and sliding downhill fast.  Ordered an 8 Plus.   :blush: #FeelLikeAWhore


Just couldn't pull the trigger on the X.  Looks like too much new funkiness.  Old guy likes his home button.

Yeah, I am in serious need of an upgrade (though my 4S is still running like a champ!)...and am leaning more towards the 8 than an X.

Though I am tempted to go Android/Goodle Pixel 2, and divest myself of the proprietary Apple-ness.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on December 17, 2017, 09:59:39 AM
I felt the same way...but I didn't feel as comfortable getting sucked into Google's corporate universe compared to Apple's.  Apple wants to do everything for you, but Google wants to know everything about you. 

And while the G2 is better than their first Pixel, it's still only their second phone.  What I've seen, those new Galaxy models are the bee's knees.  But I figured one more generation with Apple can't hurt, especially since they're really going off the rails with biometrics.

I miss Motorola quality though.  A flip phone I could keep in my front pocket with my billfold.  Memories.





But if you move from a 4s to an 8 Plus, it'll going to blow you away.

Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on December 17, 2017, 11:25:48 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 17, 2017, 09:59:39 AM
I felt the same way...but I didn't feel as comfortable getting sucked into Google's corporate universe compared to Apple's.  Apple wants to do everything for you, but Google wants to know everything about you. 

There's of course, no difference between these two companies on these two things. To make Apple distinct, you might want to change and say Apple wants to decide for you the one way in which you are allowed to do things.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: CountDeMoney on December 18, 2017, 10:48:40 PM
Quote from: garbon on December 17, 2017, 11:25:48 AM
There's of course, no difference between these two companies on these two things. To make Apple distinct, you might want to change and say Apple wants to decide for you the one way in which you are allowed to do things.

I don't disagree, but at the moment I would like to have my cell phone life sequestered from my PC life.  Google doesn't need both at the same time until it has to, does it?  :(
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: HVC on December 29, 2017, 09:24:33 AM
Apple is slashing battery prices to try to get ahead of its slowing down of old phones scandal. Which is odd, since as far as scandals go people have been saying it for years.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on April 10, 2018, 07:52:38 AM
Gotta love Apple.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/apr/10/iphone-8-ios-113-breaks-smartphones-third-party-repaired-screens-apple

QuoteiOS 11.3 update breaks iPhone 8 devices with third party-repaired screens

Apple's latest iOS 11.3 software update is causing iPhone 8 devices with third-party repaired screens to stop working.

Users who have had a screen repair performed by a third party, rather than with Apple, on their iPhone 8 smartphones found that the iOS 11.3 update stopped the touchscreen from working, reports Motherboard. The update was pushed out on 29 March, introducing Apple's promised iPhone battery health information, as well as the ability to turn off the slowing down of smartphones related to the battery following the scandal in December.

The screens continue to display the homescreen once updated to iOS 11.3 but cannot be interacted with, effectively rendering the affected iPhone 8 device unusable without warning from Apple.

"This has caused my company over 2,000 reshipments," Aakshay Kripalani, chief executive of repair shop Injured Gadgets told Motherboard. "Customers are annoyed and it seems like Apple is doing this to prevent customers from doing third-party repair."

There is little affected users can do for their £700-plus smartphones other than have the screen replaced again, hopefully with one that will work regardless of the iOS 11.3 update. But this is not the first time a software update from Apple has caused serious problems for those opting to repair their broken smartphones at third-party shops rather than sending them to the manufacturer.

A similar thing happened for the iPhone 7 last year. An iOS update prevented the touchscreens from working on iPhone 7s with third-party repaired screens. Apple then released a follow-up software update that made them work again, resolving the issue.

That followed the storm caused by the so called Error 53, which rendered iPhones useless if they had had their home button replaced by third-party repair shops after a software update. The problem was related to the Touch ID fingerprint scanner embedded within the home button. Apple later apologised and issued a fix for the Error 53 issue.

The consequence is that at any stage Apple may break iPhones that have been repaired by third parties via software updates, effectively making its in-store service the only viable option. Apple charges £156.44 to repair the screen of an iPhone 6S, 7 or 8, £176.44 for the larger iPhone 6S Plus, 7 Plus or 8 Plus or £286.44 for the top-of-the-line iPhone X.

Repairing "other damage" costs between £306.44 and £556.44 for an iPhone 6 or newer. Apple also offers an optional insurance policy, called AppleCare+, which costs £129 for two years for an iPhone 8 and then charges users £25 each screen or £79 for other damage – but users can only claim for two incidents.

Third-party repair shops, which are popular in the era of glass phones and frequently smashed screens, often undercut Apple and offer services Apple does not. Unless they are an authorised-by-Apple repair provider, however, they can only obtain "after-market" parts, not parts directly from the iPhone manufacturer.

Apple did not immediately comment.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: The Minsky Moment on June 06, 2018, 04:47:09 PM
I ditched my iPhone for Android.  It's ridiculous in this day and age to make a smart phone without a proper external storage solution.  Also no headphone jack = no sale.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on June 06, 2018, 04:56:10 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 06, 2018, 04:47:09 PM
I ditched my iPhone for Android.  It's ridiculous in this day and age to make a smart phone without a proper external storage solution.  Also no headphone jack = no sale.

:weep:

Come back Minsky!  Steve Jobs still loves you!  Renounce your wicked ways and all will be forgiven!
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on June 06, 2018, 05:04:27 PM
Welcome to the saner side.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Liep on September 19, 2018, 04:27:07 PM
iOS 12 lets LastPass share passwords in safari and other apps. Woo!
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on September 19, 2018, 11:44:28 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 16, 2017, 12:37:09 AM
My 5 is having a terrible time taking a charge.  I have to wiggle the cable this way and that until I get the charging symbol, if I get it at all.

<_<
I know this may be a tad late, but this probably happens because you have lots of lint in the charging hole.  That's a pretty annoying common problem.  You can poke around with a bent paper clip to clean it out, or you can ask an employee in an Apple store to do it for you, with probably less damage.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on September 20, 2018, 12:23:41 AM
Quote from: DGuller on September 19, 2018, 11:44:28 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 16, 2017, 12:37:09 AM
My 5 is having a terrible time taking a charge.  I have to wiggle the cable this way and that until I get the charging symbol, if I get it at all.

<_<
I know this may be a tad late, but this probably happens because you have lots of lint in the charging hole.  That's a pretty annoying common problem.  You can poke around with a bent paper clip to clean it out, or you can ask an employee in an Apple store to do it for you, with probably less damage.

You are super late.  I tried cleaning out the charging hole several times.  Eventually my office agreed to get me a new phone, and I've been rocking an 8 Plus since the spring (I had to pay extra to get the 8 Plus - for which I have no regrets).
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: HVC on September 20, 2018, 02:57:09 PM
so ios 12 will track your calls and emails to "fight fraud"
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: DGuller on September 20, 2018, 07:56:33 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 20, 2018, 12:23:41 AM
Quote from: DGuller on September 19, 2018, 11:44:28 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 16, 2017, 12:37:09 AM
My 5 is having a terrible time taking a charge.  I have to wiggle the cable this way and that until I get the charging symbol, if I get it at all.

<_<
I know this may be a tad late, but this probably happens because you have lots of lint in the charging hole.  That's a pretty annoying common problem.  You can poke around with a bent paper clip to clean it out, or you can ask an employee in an Apple store to do it for you, with probably less damage.

You are super late.  I tried cleaning out the charging hole several times.  Eventually my office agreed to get me a new phone, and I've been rocking an 8 Plus since the spring (I had to pay extra to get the 8 Plus - for which I have no regrets).
Sometimes it's packed in really tight.  You think you're hitting the end of the hole, but actually you're just hitting the densely packed lint.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Monoriu on September 25, 2018, 02:24:47 AM
My wife and I did a mini-upgrade of our mobiles.  I changed from Iphone 6 plus to Iphone xs max.  The lack of a home button was scary at first, but I got used to it quickly.  I was initially skeptical, but it seems facial recognition does work.  My current theory is that the phone unlocks itself if it sees *any* human face, rather than my face.  I am going to find somebody to test this theory.  Mobile seems to be much faster and the screen looks better.  Still hate that they changed the headphone input slot. 
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Caliga on May 23, 2019, 04:49:05 PM
My company gave me a Crapple Watch.  What should I do with it other than pretend to be Dick Tracy.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on May 23, 2019, 04:52:00 PM
Quote from: Caliga on May 23, 2019, 04:49:05 PM
My company gave me a Crapple Watch.  What should I do with it other than pretend to be Dick Tracy.

Big thing is health tracking, if that is of interest to you.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Caliga on May 23, 2019, 05:20:57 PM
Maybe I'll test it out while I'm walking the dog or something.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Tonitrus on June 04, 2019, 11:57:57 AM
Here ya go BB, it's back...  :P

(https://techthelead.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/mac-pro-price.png)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Barrister on June 04, 2019, 12:38:51 PM
:mmm:

The old Mac Pro was nicknamed the cheese grater.  I like how they just leaned into that nickname and it now literally looks like something you could grate cheese with.

But my 2008 Mac Pro cost $2000.  Starting at $6k (US) means thats right out as an option for me.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Syt on June 04, 2019, 01:01:14 PM
For just $999 you can get a display stand. :P

https://www.zdnet.com/article/apples-999-mac-pro-display-xdr-monitor-stand-is-the-most-apple-thing-ever/

QuoteBut the ultimate Apple accessory, the one that says that money is no object, has to be the new Mac Pro Display XDR monitor stand, priced at a cool $999.

Yes, you read that right. The new Mac Pro -- starting price $5,999 -- doesn't come with a display, and the 32-inch 6k Retina Pro Display XDR -- starting price $4,999 -- that Apple is pitching to Mac Pro users doesn't come with a stand.

See where this is going?

Yup, the base Mac Pro with a base Pro Display XDR display and the stand will set you back $12,000.

Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Tonitrus on June 04, 2019, 01:09:24 PM
And $6K is just the base Mac Pro...some sites are estimating the max'd-out spec version at about $35K
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Syt on June 05, 2019, 09:12:04 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8SNL5GVUAUexJv?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Caliga on June 07, 2019, 04:32:01 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 23, 2019, 04:52:00 PM
Quote from: Caliga on May 23, 2019, 04:49:05 PM
My company gave me a Crapple Watch.  What should I do with it other than pretend to be Dick Tracy.

Big thing is health tracking, if that is of interest to you.
Finally got it set up and paired with my iPhone today.  Installing a WatchOS update to it right now (which is slow as fuck!) but in the short amount of time I played with it, I really liked it.  Pretty cool that it can tell me if I'm having a heart attack. :D
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: katmai on June 07, 2019, 06:34:01 PM
If? don't you mean when?
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: Syt on June 08, 2019, 01:01:39 AM
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/06/05/apple_stand_copyright_lockdown/

QuoteApple strips clips of WWDC devs booing that $999 monitor stand from the web using copyright claims.
Title: Re: The Wide, Wide World of Apple
Post by: garbon on August 02, 2019, 07:27:09 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/aug/02/apple-halts-practice-of-contractors-listening-in-to-users-on-siri

QuoteApple halts practice of contractors listening in to users on Siri

Apple has suspended its practice of having human contractors listen to users' Siri recordings to "grade" them, following a Guardian report revealing the practice.

The company said it would not restart the programme until it had conducted a thorough review of the practice. It has also committed to adding the ability for users to opt out of the quality assurance scheme altogether in a future software update.

Apple said: "We are committed to delivering a great Siri experience while protecting user privacy. While we conduct a thorough review, we are suspending Siri grading globally. Additionally, as part of a future software update, users will have the ability to choose to participate in grading."

Contractors working for Apple in Ireland said they were not told about the decision when they arrived for work on Friday morning, but were sent home for the weekend after being told the system they used for the grading "was not working" globally. Only managers were asked to stay on site, the contractors said, adding that they had not been told what the suspension means for their future employment.

The suspension was prompted by a report in the Guardian last week that revealed the company's contractors "regularly" hear confidential and private information while carrying out the grading process, including in-progress drug deals, medical details and people having sex.

The bulk of that confidential information was recorded through accidental triggers of the Siri digital assistant, a whistleblower told the Guardian. The Apple Watch was particularly susceptible to such accidental triggers, they said. "The regularity of accidental triggers on the watch is incredibly high ... The watch can record some snippets that will be 30 seconds – not that long, but you can gather a good idea of what's going on.

Sometimes, the Apple contractor said, "you can definitely hear a doctor and patient, talking about the medical history of the patient. Or you'd hear someone, maybe with car engine background noise – you can't say definitely, but it's a drug deal ... you can definitely hear it happening. And you'd hear, like, people engaging in sexual acts that are accidentally recorded on the pod or the watch."