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#61
Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...
Last post by Josquius - Today at 04:40:00 AMQuote from: The Brain on Today at 04:37:31 AMQuote from: Josquius on Today at 04:28:12 AMIt isn't the first time we've seen something like this happen. I've seen it first hand myself when the far right are given the right to do their thing the anti-fascists are cordoned off from them. This doesn't mean the fascists are regarded as being right. Its just the police doing their job and trying to minimise trouble.
This particular case was bad because of the horrible clumsy language the cop used, not because he wanted to keep a guy in a kippah away from a march where some people might be anti semites of some form (though you also get Jews in such protests too) and looking for someone to lash out at.
Is it common for the police to keep anti-fascists of some ethnicities or religions cordoned off while letting other anti-fascists interact with the fascists?
You're insinuating if a black guy had come along with a sign saying "Support Israel! Destroy Hamas!" the police wouldn't have stopped him too?
#62
Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...
Last post by The Brain - Today at 04:37:31 AMQuote from: Josquius on Today at 04:28:12 AMIt isn't the first time we've seen something like this happen. I've seen it first hand myself when the far right are given the right to do their thing the anti-fascists are cordoned off from them. This doesn't mean the fascists are regarded as being right. Its just the police doing their job and trying to minimise trouble.
This particular case was bad because of the horrible clumsy language the cop used, not because he wanted to keep a guy in a kippah away from a march where some people might be anti semites of some form (though you also get Jews in such protests too) and looking for someone to lash out at.
Is it common for the police to keep anti-fascists of some ethnicities or religions cordoned off while letting other anti-fascists interact with the fascists?
#63
Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...
Last post by The Brain - Today at 04:30:06 AMIt's the Met. The global gold standard of policing.
#64
Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...
Last post by Josquius - Today at 04:28:12 AMA few years ago there was that big anti-brexit march.
There would have been some Green voters amongst the marchers.
Does that mean it was a Pro-Green Party march?
It isn't the first time we've seen something like this happen. I've seen it first hand myself when the far right are given the right to do their thing the anti-fascists are cordoned off from them. This doesn't mean the fascists are regarded as being right. Its just the police doing their job and trying to minimise trouble.
This particular case was bad because of the horrible clumsy language the cop used, not because he wanted to keep a guy in a kippah away from a march where some people might be anti semites of some form (though you also get Jews in such protests too) and looking for someone to lash out at.
There would have been some Green voters amongst the marchers.
Does that mean it was a Pro-Green Party march?
It isn't the first time we've seen something like this happen. I've seen it first hand myself when the far right are given the right to do their thing the anti-fascists are cordoned off from them. This doesn't mean the fascists are regarded as being right. Its just the police doing their job and trying to minimise trouble.
This particular case was bad because of the horrible clumsy language the cop used, not because he wanted to keep a guy in a kippah away from a march where some people might be anti semites of some form (though you also get Jews in such protests too) and looking for someone to lash out at.
#65
Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...
Last post by Tamas - Today at 03:31:01 AMThe Guardian felt necessary to explain what appears to be the dubious political motivations behind the organisation doing the "you are too visibly Jewish with that kippa" thing at one of the so-called Pro-Palestinian marches:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2024/apr/26/who-is-the-caa-gideon-falter-met-police-openly-jewish-antisemitism-row
More importantly they felt that by giving more context via the longer-length video to the incident with the police officer, they shed a different light on it:
Well, excuse me, sure he was trying to provoke a negative response to his Jewish identity but if he managed to do that, that would have revealed the true nature of the protest. If it was a "pro-Palestine" and not, in fact, an anti-Jewish march, then a Jewish man among the protesters -even without some protest sign making clear the side he is on- surely would had provoked no incident?
What has been revealed, as the bare minimum, is that the authorities considered that an anti-semitic march. Whether they were right or wrong they did not give that guy a chance to find out.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2024/apr/26/who-is-the-caa-gideon-falter-met-police-openly-jewish-antisemitism-row
More importantly they felt that by giving more context via the longer-length video to the incident with the police officer, they shed a different light on it:
QuoteA longer version of the clip released later shows the officer explaining to Falter that his approach was informed by the knowledge he had already deliberately walked out into the middle of the march and was therefore "looking to try and antagonise this".
John Mann, the government's antisemitism tsar, said Falter had been "quite explicit" about his intentions at the protest. "There's no ambiguity in what he's doing," he told the BBC, saying he had been blocked by the CAA on the social media platform X and they were "not playing it straight".
Well, excuse me, sure he was trying to provoke a negative response to his Jewish identity but if he managed to do that, that would have revealed the true nature of the protest. If it was a "pro-Palestine" and not, in fact, an anti-Jewish march, then a Jewish man among the protesters -even without some protest sign making clear the side he is on- surely would had provoked no incident?
What has been revealed, as the bare minimum, is that the authorities considered that an anti-semitic march. Whether they were right or wrong they did not give that guy a chance to find out.
#66
Off the Record / Re: The EU thread
Last post by The Brain - Today at 02:03:28 AMNo way FPÖ can claim all of those. von der Leyen and Zelensky aren't even members.
#67
Off the Record / Re: The EU thread
Last post by Syt - Today at 01:51:14 AMFPÖ poster for the EU elections:
Main slogan: "STOP EU INSANITY"
Smaller items:
"Asylum Crisis"
"War Mongering"
"Eco-Communism"
"von der Leyen and Zelinskyy"
"Corona Chaos"
Main slogan: "STOP EU INSANITY"
Smaller items:
"Asylum Crisis"
"War Mongering"
"Eco-Communism"
"von der Leyen and Zelinskyy"
"Corona Chaos"
#68
Off the Record / Re: Football (Soccer) Thread
Last post by Josquius - Today at 01:23:55 AMThe only time I ever went to Wembley my soul was destroyed by Charlton winning
#69
Gaming HQ / Re: The NEW New Boardgames Thr...
Last post by celedhring - Today at 01:23:24 AMNot a NEW boardgame, but I'm setting up a Rebellion game for May the 4th. It's gonna be 4 people and I'm not sure how well it will play with the official 4-player rules. The game seems definitely best as 1v1.
I know Habbaku was a Rebellion junkie back in the time so maybe he has some feedback, although I suspect he mostly played it 1v1.
I know Habbaku was a Rebellion junkie back in the time so maybe he has some feedback, although I suspect he mostly played it 1v1.
