The combines are over. Free agency begins March 13. Franchise tagging begins now.
Steelheads are expected to cut Hines Ward, and avoid tagging Wallace. They believe they can sign him, and they don't have a choice in the matter with their salary cap. They're in big cap trouble. Buh bye, Steelheads.
Ray Rice is expected to get the franchise tag from Ozzie as early as tomorrow. I'd rather they tag Ben Grubbs, but alas.
Unless he redoes his contract in the next week, it looks like Manning will never play as a Colt again. Kansas City is salivating.
The Rams are going to sell the #2 pick to the highest bidder. ESPN is saying Cleveland is the most interested to move up to grab RG3, so it'll be fun to watch the Browns destroy yet another promising career before it starts.
The Draft is April 26.
The Manning watch continues to be fascinating. It'll be somewhat sad if he can't come to terms with the Colts. I can't imagine any other team would give him the same deal he had with Indy, so surely he'd be willing to take some smaller amount in order to close out his career with the Colts? Even if they take Luck surely he'd benefit from two years or so of mentoring under one of the greatest QBs of our generation?
Quote from: Barrister on March 01, 2012, 02:26:58 PMEven if they take Luck surely he'd benefit from two years or so of mentoring under one of the greatest QBs of our generation?
Indianapolis can just hire Kerry Collins to mentor him. And he'd be a lot cheaper.
Oh wait, they already got him.
Pretty sure the Colts either have to pay him his $28 million next Thursday or they have to release him and make him a UFA, and that part of the contract can't be changed. I think I've read somewhere that Manning can choose to delay it for a little while, but I can't see why $28million in July or August or whenever is much different than $28 million in March, except that a bunch of QB spots are already filled.
I think with the way the cap numbers work out, releasing him would open up a pretty good amount of room for them to sign their picks and some high quality FAs.
Maybe they can work something out, but tbh I'd be more inclined to bet on the dude being a free agent real soon here. vOv I'm no GM, but goddamn, that team fucking sucks, and with Manning getting older and already being a bit of a question mark, and maybe not being able to cover those holes as much anymore, well...they need to fix that shit real quick.
E: Wayne might be on the way out too, as a matter of fact, so they need a real #1 WR as well.
In Texans news, I don't think they can afford Mario Williams without lots of restructuring and fucking with the $$ of other players. They also need to get Foster a nice contract, along with a couple of their linemen. As weird as it sounds, Mario Williams might be the most disposable (bigtime) potential FA they have.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 01, 2012, 03:52:12 PM
Pretty sure the Colts either have to pay him his $28 million next Thursday or they have to release him and make him a UFA, and that part of the contract can't be changed. I think I've read somewhere that Manning can choose to delay it for a little while, but I can't see why $28million in July or August or whenever is much different than $28 million in March, except that a bunch of QB spots are already filled.
Or he could just sign a new contract at a lower amount.
Quote from: Barrister on March 01, 2012, 03:54:56 PM
Or he could just sign a new contract at a lower amount.
No, they still have to pay him his $$ if he's on the roster. That part can't be changed, only delayed. IIRC it was something about this being the first year of the contract, etcetc.
QuoteThe Ravens will use the franchise tag on Ray Rice, a decision that both sides hope will allow time to agree on a long-term deal for the running back. The team also said it has terminated the contracts of cornerback Chris Carr and wide receiver Lee Evans, though general manager Ozzie Newsome left open the possibility of their return.
I do hope they bring back Evans. Never really got a chance to get going.
But I think he'd take too much grief from the New England game from the fans for it to be worth it.
I guess they don't expect Carr to recover from his back issues then. He had a great year prior.
QuoteESPN's Adam Schefter was the first to report that the New Orleans Saints are alleged to have maintain a "bounty system" through at least the 2009, 2010, and 2011 seasons. The NFL's security department believes that between 22 and 27 defensive players on the team, as well as at least one assistant coach, maintained a program funded primarily by players that rewarded tackles inflicting injuries on opposing players, resulting in those players being removed from a game.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/saints-bounty-fund-could-them-lot-trouble-league-203531457.html
We're fucked.
:cry:
Yikes, Goodell's gonna bring the hammer down on them.
http://www.catscratchreader.com/2012/3/3/2841462/bounty-scandal-is-just-latest-in-saints-pattern-of-detrimental
QuoteThey've openly mocked the league's media policy since Payton took control, including intentionally being more than an hour late to Media Day at Super Bowl XLIV. A 2010 lawsuit by the Saints' former director of security, Geoff Santini, accused Loomis of trying to cover up the theft of the prescription painkiller Vicodin by members of the football staff. The front office also ignored league directives to disassociate themselves with convicted felon Mike Ornstein, who - surprise, surprise - was also implicated in the bounty scandal.
Arian Foster just got paid.
5 years, 43.5 million, 20.75 million guaranteed. 30 million will be made in the first three years.
Helluva step up from being a UDFA practice squad guy.
Wow that's a lot of scratch for a rb. I guess he is still pretty young.
It's apparently about the same as the deal DeAngelo Williams signed. But yeah, he's 25 now, so they've got him until he's 30, and an old man in RB years.
The Saints refuse to pay Drew Brees so they franchised him. What is up with that guy? No matter what he does people never respect him.
I'm not sure offering 18 million instead of 23 million is a sign of disrespect.
Quote from: Valmy on March 05, 2012, 12:45:33 PM
The Saints refuse to pay Drew Brees so they franchised him. What is up with that guy? No matter what he does people never respect him.
A franchise tag is not a dis; more often than not, it allows the negotiations to continue to July. He'll have a long-term deal before the season starts. If they didn't franchise him, they'd have to come to an agreement by March 13, when UFA season starts.
A long term contract for someone like Brees' can't be done overnight. Now they have until July 16th to come to terms before he's playing under the franchise tag.
Quote from: sbr on March 05, 2012, 12:48:39 PM
I'm not sure offering 18 million instead of 23 million is a sign of disrespect.
Yeah, wasn't he wanting the same amount of $$ that Peyton would get over the first big money part of his contract, except for the whole thing?
Quit freaking, Val. Drew will get his payday.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7653897/sources-indianapolis-colts-part-peyton-manning-wednesday
QuotePeyton Manning's 14-year career as a member of the Indianapolis Colts is coming to an end.
Sources close to the team told ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen that the announcement will come at a press conference in Indianapolis on Wednesday with both Manning and owner Jim Irsay in attendance.
The decision to pass on the $28 million bonus owed Manning and not to pick up the four remaining years on his contract means Manning will become a free agent, and sources told Mortensen that he intends to continue to play.
Gonna be some big numbers flying around.
Well, looks like the era of relevance of the Colts has come to an end. Another couple of decades of Indy futility will be good for them.
Jeff George is tanned, rested and ready.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 05, 2012, 12:52:37 PM
Quit freaking, Val. Drew will get his payday.
I'd be holding out if I were him too.
What exactly does franchise tagging do? Make it so they can't go free agent while under negotiations or something?
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on March 06, 2012, 06:40:57 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 05, 2012, 12:52:37 PM
Quit freaking, Val. Drew will get his payday.
I'd be holding out if I were him too.
What exactly does franchise tagging do? Make it so they can't go free agent while under negotiations or something?
The exclusive franchise tag means Brees can't negotiate with anyone else, and in a worst case scenario, the only offer he could accept would be a set amount (like $16 million, IIRC) for a 1-year deal with the Saints for the 2012-13 season.
Quote from: Neil on March 06, 2012, 06:33:13 PM
Well, looks like the era of relevance of the Colts has come to an end. Another couple of decades of Indy futility will be good for them.
I would not want to be the GM in charge of rebulding that club.
Quote from: ulmont on March 06, 2012, 07:08:41 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on March 06, 2012, 06:40:57 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 05, 2012, 12:52:37 PM
Quit freaking, Val. Drew will get his payday.
I'd be holding out if I were him too.
What exactly does franchise tagging do? Make it so they can't go free agent while under negotiations or something?
The exclusive franchise tag means Brees can't negotiate with anyone else, and in a worst case scenario, the only offer he could accept would be a set amount (like $16 million, IIRC) for a 1-year deal with the Saints for the 2012-13 season.
The franchise tag requires the team to pay him the average of the top 5 salaries at the position for the year.
But it won't get to that point.
I could handle a 16 Million dollar slap in the face for one season's work.
http://deadspin.com/5891303/hines-ward-signs-with-ravens-reports-pittsburgh-tv-station-that-fell-for-obvious-parody
lolz
Andre Johnson has supposedly agreed with the Texans to rework his contract, freeing up $4.5 million in cap space. They're also talking to Manning and Joseph to see if they'll do the same. They're turning guaranteed $$ into a signing bonus instead. McClain is saying it didn't happen though, so :hmm:
e: a link: http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/08/texans-johnson-cowboys-bryant-restructure-contracts/?campaign=Twitter_blogs
e2: As a side note, I'm really glad AJ got a taste of the playoffs and a playoff W last season. For a little while there, I was kind of thinking maybe it would be better if he went to another team. It would suck for the Texans, but the guy is about as anti-douche as a WR can get, and it just seemed like he deserved to have some success for all the shit he quietly put up with.
Quote
Thanks for the memories
Thank you, Peyton Manning.
This might be the beginning of something better. Might be the end of everything good. But before we slog into what happens next, where you'll go, what you'll do, we owe you a thank you for what you've done and who you've been.
So thank you, Peyton Manning, for never showing up in the VIP section of Cheerleaders, overserved and under-mannered.
Thank you for never ending up on Court TV, or Page Six or with parts of somebody's nose on your knuckles.
You came to a nowhere franchise and made it Somewhere. Greatness poured out of your fingers because you put in the hours and the study and the pain to let it. Two Super Bowls, four NFL MVPs, 11 Pro Bowls, 11 playoff seasons and more records than a used CD store.
It was trendy to make fun of your "Yes, sirs" and "No, sirs" and your 1950s haircut but many of us secretly admired it.
You played a violent game and yet somehow held on to that southern gentility. In the middle of the worst time of your life, you took the time to write a hand-written note of sympathy last week to Fox's Chris Myers upon the death of his son.
Thank you for watching more film than Martin Scorsese. Thank you for always being the last one to go home at night, for knowing more about what defenses were going to do than some of the players on those defenses themselves.
That Super Bowl win was classic you. Every day that whole week, you made your center, Jeff Saturday, spend an extra 15 minutes snapping you balls you'd soaked in a bucket of water. "It might rain," you said. So when it did, and Chicago Bears quarterback Rex Grossman looked like he was throwing greased watermelons, you looked like you were throwing rocks.
Fourteen years in the league and the worst we can say about you is that you made a lot of castor-oil faces and your helmet left funny marks and one time you laid into your "idiot kicker." Fourteen years and you didn't sext anything, wreck anything or deck anybody.
You were a 10,000-watt bulb in a small city, and yet you never seemed to tire of it. If you did, you rarely showed it. There's a fan website -- peytonmanning18.com/encounters.html -- where everyday people tell how you were with them. It's hard to find a rotten one.
"Peyton was so nice and down to earth," one wrote. "He was just as polite and nice as I've always heard," wrote another. "He was getting ready to leave and wanted to take a picture with me and thank me for driving his golf cart," said a third. It's a lousy site if you're a cynic.
I have no idea how much time and money you have to give to a hospital to have it renamed in your honor, but they did that for you in Indianapolis. Peyton Manning Children's Hospital at St. Vincent. Says a lot.
How many times can one man change an entire city? Well, without you there's probably no Lucas Oil Stadium. Without Lucas Oil Stadium, there's no Super Bowl this year in Indy. Without the Super Bowl, there's no brand-new, drop-dead gorgeous JW Marriott downtown. Forbes figures you improved the Colts' value by $233 million. Compared to that, $28 million to keep you doesn't seem like much, does it?
Thank you for showing up at podiums in your shoulder pads some nights because you knew some of us had early deadlines. Thank you for making us laugh in all those ads. If there's ever been a funnier jock on "Saturday Night Live," I'll keep a ham in my pants.
Thank you for showing up to work every day, every week, season after season. You started 208 straight games -- through purple thumbs and black eyes and stomach flus that left you green. You get paid either way, so thanks.
Hell, you even tipped great. The other night, in North Carolina, you left an extra $200 on a $740 check that already had an 18 percent tip in it. According to my abacus, that's 100 percent class.
Lastly, thank you for the way you left. Always thought you'd go out as a Colt, and go out the way you wanted, but if it had to end this way, "I truly have enjoyed being your quarterback" is as good an exit line as I've heard. You made it sound like it was an elected position, an honor, a job where you knew people were depending on you. You were right.
You came to the line and changed the play 1,000 times, but you never changed your team, your city, your fans. Jim Irsay did all that for you Wednesday.
That would've gone down most guys' throats like a porcupine, but you took it and you smiled and you stood there with your arm around Irsay like he wasn't the one dumping you, like there wasn't a thing he could do about it.
That's grace. You had it in the huddle and you had it in the pocket and you had it at the end.
So thank you, Peyton Manning. And bravo. You wore the horseshoe, but it was us who got lucky.
http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7660415/thanks-memories-peyton-manning
Class act the whole way through.
Nice article thanks for posting it.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 07, 2012, 05:42:49 PM
The franchise tag requires the team to pay him the average of the top 5 salaries at the position for the year.
But it won't get to that point.
The Saints better hope it won't. They need the Franchise tag to use on other players. I just know Brees went into this negotiation figuring a deal would be easily done but the Saints are playing hardball with him for some reason. Meh.
Quote from: Valmy on March 09, 2012, 10:18:37 AM
The Saints better hope it won't. They need the Franchise tag to use on other players. I just know Brees went into this negotiation figuring a deal would be easily done but the Saints are playing hardball with him for some reason. Meh.
It's too late for that. The time to place the tag is over and done. The Saints didn't tag Nicks, they didn't tag Colston, and they didn't tag Porter.
Quote from: ulmont on March 09, 2012, 10:20:24 AM
It's too late for that. The time to place the tag is over and done. The Saints didn't tag Nicks, they didn't tag Colston, and they didn't tag Porter.
Is that a fact? Well that is disappointing. I hope saving a few million on Brees was worth it to them.
I think the Saints are of the opinion that Brees is so good that who they have at wideout isn't important, and they're probably right.
Brandon Jacobs cut, and rumor has it Dwight Freeney wont remain a Colt.
:rolleyes: The Texans punter who tore his knee all up running down the field at some point around the middle of the season (or whenever...he stepped in one of the seams in the Reliant turf on a kickoff) has been suspended for violating the substance abuse policy. Way to make yourself expendable, kid. UDFA out of Central Michigan, did well enough for people to be talking about keeping him around long term even after the injury, then pops on a drug test. This isn't Brian "holy fuck the dude is everywhere" Cushing we're talking about.
E: The suspension was for four games, but apparently he got credit for one in the playoffs despite being on IR (????), so he only has three left. Possibly roids while injured to help with the recovery time. Other rumors mention smoking the ganj. Whatever.
Poor RGIII :(
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/09/glazer-rams-redskins-strike-deal-for-no-2-pick/related/
Are Valmy's pants a dairy factory?
The Colts cut Dallas Clark. THE CIRCLE IS NOW COMPLETE
So, the Colts have decided not to have any good players anymore?
Manning is in Arizona today; the NFL Network is covering Manning with all the non-stop urgency of ABC covering the Reagan assassination attempt.
I think he'd be a good fit in Arizona, but he's also stated his preference for staying in the AFC.
He's got a second home in Miami.... :ph34r:
He may want to stay in the AFC, but I think he would have a lot more success with the NFC options open to him. Manning with Fitzgerald? :mmm:
Quote from: katmai on March 10, 2012, 03:49:23 AM
Are Valmy's pants a dairy factory?
It is a damned shame, isn't it? RG3 deserved better.
Maybe he'll get lucky, and pull a Len Bias.
Quote from: katmai on March 10, 2012, 03:49:23 AM
Are Valmy's pants a dairy factory?
Yep. Excellent move by the Skins. The QB position has been an albatross around their necks since 1992. There really is almost no price too high to fill a two decades long hole.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 12, 2012, 11:12:37 AM
It is a damned shame, isn't it? RG3 deserved better.
Um he is a top draft pick. Almost axiomatically he is going someplace sucky.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a1N9TR1BCU&feature=youtu.be
For Neil and CDM, sad to see him aging :(
Quote from: Valmy on March 12, 2012, 11:21:49 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 12, 2012, 11:12:37 AM
It is a damned shame, isn't it? RG3 deserved better.
Um he is a top draft pick. Almost axiomatically he is going someplace sucky.
Yeah, but most sucky places have a chance of improving. The only chance for the Redskins is if Snyder gets hit by a bus.
Quote from: Neil on March 12, 2012, 11:25:01 AM
Yeah, but most sucky places have a chance of improving. The only chance for the Redskins is if Snyder gets hit by a bus.
Meh people said the same thing about the Irsays. We will see.
And I firmly disagree that his other option, Cleveland, has much chance of improving either.
Quote from: Valmy on March 12, 2012, 11:25:45 AM
Quote from: Neil on March 12, 2012, 11:25:01 AM
Yeah, but most sucky places have a chance of improving. The only chance for the Redskins is if Snyder gets hit by a bus.
Meh people said the same thing about the Irsays. We will see.
And I firmly disagree that his other option, Cleveland, has much chance of improving either.
RG3 is no Manning. And the Irsays without Manning are completely hopeless.
Quote from: Neil on March 12, 2012, 11:28:13 AM
RG3 is no Manning. And the Irsays without Manning are completely hopeless.
Eh probably true. And the Skins will probably still suck I just hope this makes them slightly more fun to watch.
Still since I crap all over Snyder when he does stupid crap at least I can give him kudos when he does something not stupid...though supposedly this was more Shanahan's doing.
Quote from: Valmy on March 12, 2012, 11:19:47 AM
Quote from: katmai on March 10, 2012, 03:49:23 AM
Are Valmy's pants a dairy factory?
Yep. Excellent move by the Skins. The QB position has been an albatross around their necks since 1992. There really is almost no price too high to fill a two decades long hole.
Unless, you know, it's typical Snyder panicky over-compensation. Which it is. :P
Quote from: Valmy on March 12, 2012, 11:21:49 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 12, 2012, 11:12:37 AM
It is a damned shame, isn't it? RG3 deserved better.
Um he is a top draft pick. Almost axiomatically he is going someplace sucky.
Um, he is a top draft pick. Just not the next 3 years' worth of draft picks.
Hello, Hershel Walker. :lol:
Quote from: Alcibiades on March 12, 2012, 11:24:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a1N9TR1BCU&feature=youtu.be
For Neil and CDM, sad to see him aging :(
Yeah, not much left in the tank for more than another year or two, but at least you can tell your grandchildren you watched him play. Can't say that about anybody with the Arizona Wildcats.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 12, 2012, 12:11:34 PM
Unless, you know, it's typical Snyder panicky over-compensation. Which it is.
Nonsense. If they were going to get him they had to pay the price.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 12, 2012, 12:13:51 PM
Um, he is a top draft pick. Just not the next 3 years' worth of draft picks.
Hello, Hershel Walker. :lol:
Two years (of first rounders anyway) and if it works out totally worth it. The Giants did something similar to get Eli and that worked out pretty well. In this league you need a QB unless you are the 2000 Ravens.
Plus unlike a typical Snyder move this does not blow the salary cap. If it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. But I think this is the right move.
Quote from: Valmy on March 12, 2012, 12:30:36 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 12, 2012, 12:13:51 PM
Um, he is a top draft pick. Just not the next 3 years' worth of draft picks.
Hello, Hershel Walker. :lol:
Two years (of first rounders anyway) and if it works out totally worth it. The Giants did something similar to get Eli and that worked out pretty well.
Try three first rounders, kid. The Redskins aren't going to see another 1st round pick until 2015. In other words, they won't see another 1st round pick until the
next presidential primary season. That's lotsa lulzes right there.
And no, the Giants didn't do something similar with Eli: giving up a 1st and a 3rd, and a 1st and a 5th over 2 years is substantially more forward-thinking than a 1st and 2nd, 1st, and another 1st, over 3 years.
Buh bye rebuilding through the draft, Foreskins. :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 12, 2012, 12:46:59 PM
Try three first rounders, kid.
Yes. Three minus one equals two.
I understand the cost I just feel that it is worth it. They are just sorta rumbling along being mediocre, a game changer is needed.
Quote from: Valmy on March 12, 2012, 01:18:40 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 12, 2012, 12:46:59 PM
Try three first rounders, kid.
Yes. Three minus one equals two.
I understand the cost I just feel that it is worth it. They are just sorta rumbling along being mediocre, a game changer is needed.
lol, whatever reasoning makes you sleep better at night. If you think it's really only costing 2 1st rounders, then you just keep thinking that.
And yes, a game changer is needed: unfortunately, there's no amount of draft picks available to trade up for a new owner. So keep enjoying your own little hell.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 12, 2012, 01:43:51 PM
lol, whatever reasoning makes you sleep better at night. If you think it's really only costing 2 1st rounders, then you just keep thinking that.
And yes, a game changer is needed: unfortunately, there's no amount of draft picks available to trade up for a new owner. So keep enjoying your own little hell.
Um they got a first round pick so they did not really give up their one from this year. So they are giving up two picks, 2013 and 2014.
Anyway I thought it was a good idea when I heard about it, going after RGIII anyway, he is the sort of dude they need to really run that offense. I think it should work and I am looking forward to seeing it play out.
Anyway they have sucked for 20 years...if this is a miserable failure what is another 20 more? As a fan I do not have much to lose here Seedy :P
Quote from: Valmy on March 12, 2012, 02:07:10 PM
Um they got a first round pick so they did not really give up their one from this year. So they are giving up two picks, 2013 and 2014.
OK, Dorsey. It was an even-steven exchange. :rolleyesbecauseForeskinfansarefuckingmoronssometimes:
You don't need RGIII to run that offense.
You need elway.
Or terrell Davis.
Quote from: sbr on March 12, 2012, 02:21:10 PM
You need elway.
Schaub works pretty well too. ;)
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 12, 2012, 02:21:46 PM
Schaub works pretty well too. ;)
Indeed. I think RGIII would work out great in Houston as well.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 12, 2012, 02:15:17 PM
OK, Dorsey. It was an even-steven exchange. :rolleyesbecauseForeskinfansarefuckingmoronssometimes:
Yeah you are the guy who thinks trading three first round picks for one first round pick means you are down three first round picks :P
Quote from: Valmy on March 12, 2012, 02:38:47 PM
Indeed. I think RGIII would work out great in Houston as well.
No doubt, but the point is you don't need to spend two first round picks + a second to trade up to get a dude who can run that offense, the one they run in HOU and WAS, quite well. Those picks can be better used to draft dudes to go around your new QB that you got later on or traded some lower picks for. Still using Schaub as an example, that's a 3rd round draft pick by the Falcons, then the Texans coughed up two 2nds to get him to Houston.
You could use Yates too, I suppose, for late round picks that show promise and are probably going to be able to run it pretty well.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 12, 2012, 02:41:09 PM
No doubt, but the point is you don't need to spend two first round picks + a second to trade up to get a dude who can run that offense, the one they run in HOU and WAS, quite well. Those picks can be better used to draft dudes to go around your new QB that you got later on or traded, say, two 2nds for.
I did not mean to imply he is the only guy who can run that offense only he seems especially well suited for it.
Quote from: Valmy on March 12, 2012, 02:43:17 PM
I did not mean to imply he is the only guy who can run that offense only he seems especially well suited for it.
I'm sure he can hand the ball off or run a playaction naked boot with the best of them. ;)
It's going to suck hairy balls for him if he can't get support around him though. Even at Baylor the dude had Kendall Wright.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 12, 2012, 02:48:16 PM
I'm sure he can hand the ball off or run a playaction naked boot with the best of them. ;)
It's going to suck hairy balls for him if he can't get support around him though. Even at Baylor the dude had Kendall Wright.
I think the fact they have a decent stable of backs and a young talented offensive line is one of the reasons they decided to do what they did. They just need some dudes to catch the ball and I think the idea is to get a free agent. Which traditionally the Skins blow tons of cap room on washed up never-weres.
But yeah did you see him hand off in the Alamo Bowl? Legendary.
Quote from: Valmy on March 12, 2012, 02:40:17 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 12, 2012, 02:15:17 PM
OK, Dorsey. It was an even-steven exchange. :rolleyesbecauseForeskinfansarefuckingmoronssometimes:
Yeah you are the guy who thinks trading three first round picks for one first round pick means you are down three first round picks :P
Giving up the #6 and and a 2nd round to move up into the #2 slot overall is a substantial difference. Of course, if you understood the economics of the league draft, you'd know that the top 5 slots in the draft order are substantially different than the 6-10 slots. So while they may be in the same round, they're certain not the same #1 round picks.
Of course, look who I'm talking to: Vince Young's business math study-buddy. HOOK EM HORNS DUH
Quote from: Valmy on March 12, 2012, 01:18:40 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 12, 2012, 12:46:59 PM
Try three first rounders, kid.
Yes. Three minus one equals two.
I understand the cost I just feel that it is worth it. They are just sorta rumbling along being mediocre, a game changer is needed.
I dunno man - it seems like those "game changer" trades in sports never, ever work out. It's all about the slow, long term build. you know - the opposite of what Dan Snyder does.
Basketball MIGHT be an exception. But the other big sports? I can't think of a case where a blockbuster trade has radically changed the course of a team.
Quote from: Barrister on March 12, 2012, 04:01:05 PM
I can't think of a case where a blockbuster trade has radically changed the course of a team.
It radically changed the course of the Vikings and the Saints. :lol:
Eli Manning?
Quote from: Barrister on March 12, 2012, 04:01:05 PM
I dunno man - it seems like those "game changer" trades in sports never, ever work out. It's all about the slow, long term build. you know - the opposite of what Dan Snyder does.
Well there has been a major hole in this franchise really ever since Joe Theismann got injured. And Snyder never does big trades (and the main one he did, getting Clinton Portis I hated at the time and I still think wasn't the right thing but but to be fair it did not set the team back that much) he signs really expensive free agents that are washed up never have beens where it is blatantly obvious it is a bad move. This guy might be a special player and they do have some pieces in place. A special player in that position is almost a requirement in the NFL. Now I am a little annoyed they have not been trying to get a guy like RGIII for years, but hey it is nice they are starting to open their eyes to the fact you cannot win by signing overpriced free agents all the time. Also it is not like they are giving up their entire drafts. Plenty of good players to get in the second and third rounds.
However the Skins are royally fucked anyway because crazy Dan has aparantly cooked the books and they are out 36 Million of salary cap space...which is like a third of the entire thing. Ah well I got to be intrigued and somewhat pleased with them for a few hours at least.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 12, 2012, 03:33:15 PM
Giving up the #6 and and a 2nd round to move up into the #2 slot overall is a substantial difference. Of course, if you understood the economics of the league draft, you'd know that the top 5 slots in the draft order are substantially different than the 6-10 slots. So while they may be in the same round, they're certain not the same #1 round picks.
Of course, look who I'm talking to: Vince Young's business math study-buddy. HOOK EM HORNS DUH
Ok move the goal posts around and start backtracking into "economics of the draft".
Seriously why do you care how I feel about it?
:huh:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7677375/sources-dallas-cowboys-washington-redskins-lose-millions-cap-space
QuoteThe NFL is taking away millions of dollars of salary-cap space belonging to the Dallas Cowboys and Washington Redskins for front-loading contracts during the uncapped 2010 season, according to league sources.
The salary cap is projected to be $120.6 million in 2012, but the Cowboys will lose $10 million, while the Redskins will be docked $36 million in cap space, sources said.
Dallas and Washington can split the cap loss over the 2012 and '13 seasons in whatever form they prefer, with $1.6 million each going to 28 other NFL teams, the sources said.
The New Orleans Saints and Oakland Raiders are the only two teams that will not receive a portion of the money.
"The Management Council Executive Committee determined that the contract practices of a small number of clubs during the 2010 league year created an unacceptable risk to future competitive balance, particularly in light of the relatively modest salary cap growth projected for the new agreement's early years," the league said in a statement Monday. "To remedy these effects and preserve competitive balance throughout the league, the parties to the CBA agreed to adjustments to team salary for the 2012 and 2013 seasons.
"These agreed-upon adjustments were structured in a manner that will not affect the salary cap or player spending on a league-wide basis."
During the pre-lockout 2010 season, the collective bargaining agreement expired and the league operated without a salary cap.
According to sources, the Cowboys and Redskins took immediate cap hits during the 2010 season that normally would have been spread out over the length of the contracts, giving them an advantage that other NFL owners found unfair.
In September 2010, the Cowboys signed wide receiver Miles Austin to a six-year extension worth $54 million and paid him a $17 million base salary that season.
Also, as part of the original deal, Austin was to receive a base salary of $8.5 million in 2011, but Dallas created cap room before the season by lowering Austin's salary to $685,000 and turning $7.855 million into a signing bonus.
The league took an abnormally long time to release the 2012 cap number, due in part to the fact that the league was trying to decide how to handle the issues, the sources said.
According to the sources, the deductions are not termed as violations, but are part of a recent agreement the NFL and the Players Association made to raise the salary cap number while preserving benefit increases and the performance pool.
$36 million is a shitload of lost cap space.
Quote from: Valmy on March 12, 2012, 05:35:53 PM
Seriously why do you care how I feel about it?
You're a Foreskins fan, and I need to rub your fucking face in it until you pass on from this Earth, because they're a filthy piece of shit organization; they and their fans deserves every fucking failing they are to ever endure, either now or in space.
Seems odd they get punished for going over a salary cap in an uncapped year. Though I am always happy to see those two teams get shafted.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 12, 2012, 05:45:52 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 12, 2012, 05:35:53 PM
Seriously why do you care how I feel about it?
You're a Foreskins fan, and I need to rub your fucking face in it until you pass on from this Earth, because they're a filthy piece of shit organization; they and their fans deserves every fucking failing they are to ever endure, either now or in space.
Eh while they suck it doesn't bother me too much. Being a Washington Caps fan gives me about 100x the misery because they are actually good and just keep fucking up.
Quote from: sbr on March 12, 2012, 05:47:03 PM
Seems odd they get punished for going over a salary cap in an uncapped year. Though I am always happy to see those two teams get shafted.
Well there is that consolation. At least the cowgirls went down with them. The two greatest owners evah!
Quote from: Valmy on March 12, 2012, 05:51:41 PM
Being a Washington Caps fan gives me about 100x the misery because they are actually good and just keep fucking up.
I'm not even that cruel.
Yeah, I am. They choke more than amateur porn. AND THEYLL DO IT AGAIN THIS YEAR
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 12, 2012, 05:44:10 PM
$36 million is a shitload of lost cap space.
I know it is pretty funny. The Redskins made me sorta interested for less than a day before fucking it up.
More:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/redskins-to-lose-36-million-in-cap-space-over-two-years/2012/03/12/gIQABbe27R_blog.html
Quote"All the clubs were warned not to do anything to create a competitive advantage when the salary cap came back, and that's what [the Redskins] did," said one of the people familiar with the matter. "They were very obvious about it. A lot of people were very angry about it. The ramifications could have been far worse for them. They could have lost draft picks. Some people recommended that to the commissioner."
According to that person, the Redskins reworked some player contracts to pay them large sums during the uncapped 2010 season and save money against the cap in subsequent years. The person said the Redskins, in large part because of those maneuvers, had a player payroll far in excess of other teams' payrolls.
I still don't get it. The players union stance was that if 2010 was uncapped they would never agree to go back to a salary cap. It was obviously a bargaining stance, but you can't say it was inevitable that they would go back to having a cap.
Yahoo is reporting randy moss has agreed to terms with the 49ers.
Matt Leinart has been released by the Texans.
Along with Eric Winston. :blink: :blink: :blink: I don't like that at all.
Do they have any chance to keep Mario williams?
I don't know what to think about Randy Moss a Niner, reports are he's running a 4.4 still at age 35, and maybe Harbaugh won't put up with his shit so he'll shape up.
And wtf MBM how is Mario Williams already a free agent, I would have thought Texans would keep him wrapped up.
Quote from: sbr on March 12, 2012, 09:54:48 PM
Do they have any chance to keep Mario williams?
I don't think so, unless he takes a big discount. They still have to re-sign their C and RG, and good god they really need to keep those guys since they just dropped their starting RT. The D was really really good last year even without him, so I think while they would like to keep him, he's probably one of their more "expendable" free agents.
E:
QuoteAnd wtf MBM how is Mario Williams already a free agent, I would have thought Texans would keep him wrapped up.
Unless they pull some money out of their ass, they can't afford to make Mario the highest paid defensive player ever, which is a title he's very possibly going to have (for a little while at least) when he signs. They needed to sign Foster, their C, and RG. I guess it's a good thing they didn't give Williams a monster front loaded contract in 2010. Heh.
E2: Well...I guess...er...I guess maybe Winston wasn't playing all that well compared to the other three regulars on the line. I still don't like it, but shit, I'm just a dude. Stats:
http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=7815&team=34 Winston.
http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=8803&team=34 Brown, the LT. Also notable for breaking James Harrison's face.
http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=7376&team=34 Meyers, the C who is a free agent.
http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=8098&team=34 Brisiel, the RG who also needs to be resigned.
:hmm:
The LG kind of rotated.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 12, 2012, 09:05:06 PM
All the clubs were warned not to do anything to create a competitive advantage when the salary cap came back, and that's what [the Redskins] did," said one of the people familiar with the matter. "They were very obvious about it. A lot of people were very angry about it. The ramifications could have been far worse for them. They could have lost draft picks. Some people recommended that to the commissioner."
According to that person, the Redskins reworked some player contracts to pay them large sums during the uncapped 2010 season and save money against the cap in subsequent years. The person said the Redskins, in large part because of those maneuvers, had a player payroll far in excess of other teams' payrolls
Lolz
I mean how stupid can you be? And how is losing $36 million of a $120 million dollar salary cap better than losing a few draft picks?
Not to mention that crazy Dan's "competitive advantage" was good for giving tons of money to Albert Haynesworth? I cannot wait for the book on this dude's ownership of the Skins to be written. This is just hilarious.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 12, 2012, 09:53:29 PM
Matt Leinart has been released by the Texans.
Along with Eric Winston. :blink: :blink: :blink: I don't like that at all.
The Texans are so used to having a shitty line that you would think that they wouldn't take it for granted.
Saints resigned Colston.
Redskins agreed to terms with Pierre Garcon. EDIT: At least according to Garcon.
Dolphins traded Brandon Marshal to the Bears for 2 3rd round picks. I wonder what that means for the Manning sweepstakes. Did the Dolphins bail out and are getting ready to start over or are they clearing the way for the big reunion of Manning, Wayne and Clark in South Beach?
Chris Myers is supposedly wanting nearly $60 million from the Texans, so that isn't going to be happening. He'll be hitting the FA market, although aside from the Redskins (according to Valmy, they have a good young line already), Texans, and Chargers (just resigned their C), I can't really think of where he's going to go as an undersized, pure zone blocking C. The Redskins and Texans O schemes are almost identical, so he'd fit in well in Washington, but what are the other teams that run zones?
Lawrence Vickers was also cut by Houston. Sort of an extra dude there.
Quote from: Neil on March 12, 2012, 10:40:39 PM
The Texans are so used to having a shitty line that you would think that they wouldn't take it for granted.
Oh it looks like they'll be going with Butler at RT. I had forgotten about him, since he didn't play much last year due to an injury. He's better at pass protection than Winston, not as good at run blocking. vOv
The line could just end up as Duane Brown - Wade Smith - Antoine Caldwell <-> Mike Brisiel (needs to be resigned, could be C) - Rashad Butler. It would still all be dudes that were either starters or have had significant playing time. The big loss would be depth.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 13, 2012, 07:35:02 PM
Chris Myers is supposedly wanting nearly $60 million from the Texans, so that isn't going to be happening.
Since when do centres make anything even remotely close to that? Is he under the impression that he's a left tackle?
Mangold got a 7 yr/55 million contract a few years back.
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 13, 2012, 08:22:35 PM
Mangold got a 7 yr/55 million contract a few years back.
Yeah, there was some comparison to Mangold's contract when they were talking about what Myers (supposedly, this isn't something I know for sure, of course) wanted. $57.4 over 8 years with 25 guaranteed is what has been reported. Except instead of being what, 26 like Mangold was, Myers is already 30. It's just too big of a number.
Quote from: NeilSince when do centres make anything even remotely close to that? Is he under the impression that he's a left tackle?
I was shocked when I saw that report. He's really picked it up and played well for the last couple of seasons, but before that, tbh he wasn't really anything special.
E: This is what he was more known for a couple years ago:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn3.sbnation.com%2Fimported_assets%2F973602%2Fmyersragdoll-o.gif&hash=55e4f88966422cf5d387161377fac788008fa4d3)
The guy getting thrown aside is Myers. On its own, it's really just a bad play that can happen to any lineman, but he kind of regularly got shoved around by DLs. He just couldn't hold up against them as much as you would like. A while back, I even started a spring training thread here where the first photos out of camp were of #55 getting pushed around and/or holding on for dear life. I wonder what Schaub was thinking right when he saw that guy coming free. "Holy shit I'm going to die" :lol:
The all white uniforms fucking rule though.
Reggie Wayne has decided to stay with the Colts.
That makes the Dolphins' trade of Marshall curiouser.
Some dude in Buffalo is saying Mario Williams has signed a $110 million deal with them. If true, enjoy...uh...several more Lamborghinis, Mario. Maybe he'll get a Veyron or something even more ridiculous (he's a car guy and already has the newest Lambo Aventador) instead.
E: I look forward to new airstrip videos from Buffalo or wherever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQtUP-7_HtA
I wonder how fast it would go with just one normal sized person in it, instead of a huge monster like Williams.
Quote from: sbr on March 13, 2012, 05:56:15 PM
Redskins agreed to terms with Pierre Garcon. EDIT: At least according to Garcon.
If it really went down as reported that is a horrible move. And by horrible I mean typical.
http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/7684431/brandon-marshall-chicago-bears-allegedly-hit-woman-club-fight-sunday-police-say
Less than 24h as a bear and Marshall already chris browned some girl.
This chick here: http://twitter.com/#!/AllieFontana is saying the Texans have announced the release of Stone Hands Jones.
There was a press conference an hour and a half ago that I didn't watch, but there's nothing on the official site about him being cut. I WANT TO BELIEVE
E: :mad: She has deleted it now.
Niners re-signed Carlos Rodgers, so have kept all 11 starters from the D. :yeah:
Bucs are the early off season champions! :showoff:
We get a trophy for this right? :bowler:
Quote from: JacobL on March 15, 2012, 09:09:56 AM
Bucs are the early off season champions! :showoff:
We get a trophy for this right? :bowler:
Yeah last years winners were the Iggles.
:P
And so the yearly tradition of "The Raidin' O' The Ravens" begins.
Jarrett Johnson, gone. San Diego.
Cory Redding, gone. Indianapolis.
Ben Grubbs, gone. New Orleans.
Looks like Buffalo has a DE now.
Poor Brownies. Just plain ol' snakebit.
Of course, expect the Redskins to be a player somewhere in this drama. Can't be satisfied with ruining their own franchise, have to help ruin somebody else's as well. Naturally.
QuoteThe general perception is that the Cleveland Browns failed to move up in the draft to get quarterback Robert Griffin III because they didn't offer enough to the St. Louis Rams for the second overall pick.
Browns general manager Mike Holmgren believes Cleveland had no shot at making the trade.
In a conference call with Browns season-ticket holders today, Holmgren said "a very close relationship" between the Rams and Redskins prevented Cleveland from moving two spots up in the draft. Holmgren didn't go into specifics about the relationship, but it's well-known that Rams coach Jeff Fisher and Redskins coach Mike Shanahan are close friends.
This is a very serious accusation from Holmgren, and he wouldn't speak publicly about this if he didn't feel strongly about its validity. If you doubt the closeness of Shanahan and Fisher, there's an article in USA Today from five years ago about the NFL's version of bosom buddies. Fisher and Shanahan bonded in the 1990s in San Francisco, where Fisher was the 49ers' defensive backs coach for two years (1992-93) while Shanahan served as the offensive coordinator for three (1992-94).
Let's be clear about this: If this is true, Shanahan and Fisher didn't violate any NFL rule that I know about. But they are guilty of poor sportsmanship. I could understand a team trying to avoid helping out a division rival. But if the Browns gave the best offer, they deserved the pick.
The Redskins moved into the No. 2 spot by sending the Rams this year's picks in the first round (sixth overall) and second round as well as first-rounders in 2013 and 2014. There were reports that the Browns offered three first-round picks but not this year's second-round one. Holmgren said the reports about the Browns' offer were incorrect, saying Cleveland made "every bit the offer" as the Redskins.
While no one knows whether those future first-round picks would be better from the Redskins or Browns, a similar offer would favor the Browns because they were offering the fourth overall pick while the Redskins could only give the No. 6 pick.
"Honestly, when it didn't happen -- I think there are reasons that I can't go into right now -- but there is a very close relationship between the people getting the deal done and the people who offered," Holmgren said in the conference call. "And I'm not sure anything we offered would have been good enough. We were very, very aggressive and it didn't work."
In other words, Holmgren says don't blame the Browns for failing to get RG3. You can point the finger -- or Dawg bone, if you prefer -- squarely at Shanahan and Fisher.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 16, 2012, 05:53:25 AM
Poor Brownies. Just plain ol' snakebit.
Of course, expect the Redskins to be a player somewhere in this drama. Can't be satisfied with ruining their own franchise, have to help ruin somebody else's as well. Naturally.
Didn't you just explain to me how the Redskins shouldn't have given all that away to trade up? How is saving Cleveland from doing so ruining them? Because from the article they seem to be suggesting they were going to give up even more than the Skins did.
Quote from: Valmy on March 16, 2012, 08:06:49 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 16, 2012, 05:53:25 AM
Poor Brownies. Just plain ol' snakebit.
Of course, expect the Redskins to be a player somewhere in this drama. Can't be satisfied with ruining their own franchise, have to help ruin somebody else's as well. Naturally.
Didn't you just explain to me how the Redskins shouldn't have given all that away to trade up? How is saving Cleveland from doing so ruining them? Because from the article they seem to be suggesting they were going to give up even more than the Skins did.
The Foreskins can give away their entire draft Ditka-style all they want, fuck their future; the fact that unsportsmanlike play in cockblocking a team on purpose makes it easier to hate them. And the Browns needed RG3 more than the Foreskins.
So stop defending them. They're as defensible as Marty's pedophile buddies. Find another team.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 16, 2012, 08:14:39 AM
The Foreskins can give away their entire draft Ditka-style all they want, fuck their future; the fact that unsportsmanlike play in cockblocking a team on purpose makes it easier to hate them. And the Browns needed RG3 more than the Foreskins.
So stop defending them. They're as defensible as Marty's pedophile buddies. Find another team.
I only defend them when they do something right which is not very often.
And seriously? How would giving up more than the Redskins give up help the Browns more? The Browns have an even less talented roster than the Skins they need depth more.
Quote from: Valmy on March 16, 2012, 08:16:43 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 16, 2012, 08:14:39 AM
The Foreskins can give away their entire draft Ditka-style all they want, fuck their future; the fact that unsportsmanlike play in cockblocking a team on purpose makes it easier to hate them. And the Browns needed RG3 more than the Foreskins.
So stop defending them. They're as defensible as Marty's pedophile buddies. Find another team.
I only defend them when they do something right which is not very often.
And seriously? How would giving up more than the Redskins give up help the Browns more? The Browns have an even less talented roster than the Skins they need depth more.
As MIM said, you don't need RG3 to run that Foreskins offense. And the fact the Foreskins gave up so much when they have less holes to fill than the Browns, shows how poorly managed they actually are.
The Foreskins could've been a major force the next 3 years, but they gave up several potential starters over the next several drafts, which would have at least mitigated their salary cap bullshit. So suck on that.
Longhorns Spring practice starts less than a month from now, Mack.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 16, 2012, 08:30:15 AM
As MIM said, you don't need RG3 to run that Foreskins offense. And the fact the Foreskins gave up so much when they have less holes to fill than the Browns, shows how poorly managed they actually are.
That seems assbackwards to me. If you have more holes you should not be giving up picks, not the other way around.
In anycase we are already at the halfway point of Longhorn Spring practice. It is practically all they are talking about around here. I do my best to tune it out, the hypemachine can sometimes get pretty crazy so long as Texas only has to play each other (Wow the defense is amazing!....of course that just means the offense is garbage)
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 16, 2012, 01:55:07 PM
Well, you know. Dammit.
Eh. Whateva. I just felt like posting, and that was the most convenient response.
I have actual content now though:
The Broncos have made an offer to Manning.
$60 million over 5 years with $30 million guaranteed. Guy said he was mistaken or whatever. Should be 5 years, $90 million.
Holy shit, that is way too much money for him.
Quote from: sbr on March 16, 2012, 02:54:15 PM
Holy shit, that is way too much money for him.
No shit. They should conduct a Haloti Ngata stress test on his neck prior to signing.
The 9ers are getting in on it too.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/clark-judge/17841995/threes-company-for-manning-49ers-enter-picture
Here's a CBS blurb repeating what the Denver Post guy was saying: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/17841949/report-broncos-titans-offering-peyton-manning-5-years60-mil
They also crossed out the 60. :P The link to the Post article is in there.
As far as the Titans go, they don't have as much $$ as the Broncos, but Bud "Dickhead" Adams seems to have offered Manning a contract + a position in the Titans organization for the rest of his life or something.
Well I guess Chris Myer's look around at what he was going to get in free agency brought him back down to Earth.
He will reportedly be resigning with the Texans for 4 years $25 million and $14 million guaranteed. They lost that RG of theirs though to the Raiders, who signed him for 5/$20.
Ravens safety Tom Zbikowski signs with the Colts, joining Corey Redding with former DC Chuck Pagano.
I don't know why so many Ravens leave to play for their former defensive coordinators when they become coaches elsewhere. They never succeed.
The Sex Cannon returns to Washington.
Manning to the Broncos. Tebow to be traded for an open bottle of Gatorade and a bag of used footballs.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 19, 2012, 11:54:42 AM
Manning to the Broncos. Tebow to be traded for an open bottle of Gatorade and a bag of used footballs.
Now it'll be cool to hate them again.
Where's Skip Bayless?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 19, 2012, 02:37:00 AM
The Sex Cannon returns to Washington.
He is going to tutor RG3 on how to be a disciplined and patient passer.
Quote from: FunkMonk on March 19, 2012, 12:15:01 PM
Where's Skip Bayless?
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7709252&categoryid=2378529
FREE TEBOW
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 19, 2012, 12:19:46 PM
FREE TEBOW
Fuck yeah, baby. Hate the concept of Tebow going to Jax, though. :yuk:
Although he's correct: if he wanted to make the mistake of taking on the biggest challenge, he picked the right team.
I thought Tennessee would've been a better fit for Peyton--and have the chance to torch Indy twice a season to boot.
edit: Or Arizona, despite not wanting to play in the NFC. Manning TDs to Fitzgerald 4 times a game would've been something to see.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 19, 2012, 12:34:55 PM
edit: Or Arizona, despite not wanting to play in the NFC. Manning TDs to Fitzgerald 4 times a game would've been something to see.
San Fran would have been even better.
E: and the board just ate most of that post and redirected me to "Start a new topic." :huh:
Basically: Manningham, Moss, Crabtree, Davis, Gore, the awesome D, good OL. They were basically a muff or two away from the super bowl with Alex Smith.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 19, 2012, 12:40:31 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 19, 2012, 12:34:55 PM
edit: Or Arizona, despite not wanting to play in the NFC. Manning TDs to Fitzgerald 4 times a game would've been something to see.
San Fran would have been even better.
E: and the board just ate most of that post and redirected me to "Start a new topic." :huh:
I dunno, man. Risking losing a franchise QB like Alex Smith at such a young age for a repaired 36 year old neck isn't forward-thinking. That's something the Redskins would've done.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 19, 2012, 12:44:36 PM
I dunno, man. Risking losing a franchise QB like Alex Smith at such a young age for a repaired 36 year old neck isn't forward-thinking. That's something the Redskins would've done.
They still might lose Smith. He's been meeting with the Fish.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 17, 2012, 01:19:16 PM
Ravens safety Tom Zbikowski signs with the Colts, joining Corey Redding with former DC Chuck Pagano.
I don't know why so many Ravens leave to play for their former defensive coordinators when they become coaches elsewhere. They never succeed.
Yeah. And with Nakamura gone to the Panthers, we had better hope that Reed doesn't get hurt this year.
Quote from: Neil on March 19, 2012, 12:46:01 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 17, 2012, 01:19:16 PM
Ravens safety Tom Zbikowski signs with the Colts, joining Corey Redding with former DC Chuck Pagano.
I don't know why so many Ravens leave to play for their former defensive coordinators when they become coaches elsewhere. They never succeed.
Yeah. And with Nakamura gone to the Panthers, we had better hope that Reed doesn't get hurt this year.
Especially since the offensive line is officially worse now than last season. Resigning Birk and McKinnie while losing Grubbs and failing to snag Mathis is not what I'd call an improvement.
Listening to Tom Jackson on espn2, his pants were a dairy factory.
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 19, 2012, 12:55:26 PM
Listening to Tom Jackson on espn2, his pants were a dairy factory.
Of course. He still has Craig Morton's stains on his bedsheets.
Text from my buddy in Denver:
QuoteIt's funny-- 65 percent of people here are walking around like they've already won the superbowl and 35 percent are pissed to the max
and
Quotesome woman on the radio is threatening to burn all her bronco gear in her driveway
lol, too funny.
You know Big John was going to get the man he wanted, though.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 19, 2012, 12:48:23 PM
Especially since the offensive line is officially worse now than last season. Resigning Birk and McKinnie while losing Grubbs and failing to snag Mathis is not what I'd call an improvement.
Yeah, I saw Birk just looking back at Flacco getting sacked a few times last season, and without Grubbs that interior line is really going to suffer. Who's still availible on the market? Maybe they'll have to address that through the draft?
Looks like Tebow to the Jets and the Saints just got nuked.
Saints HC Payton suspended for full season effective April 1st, Former DC Gregg Williams suspended indefinitely effective immediately, 2nd round this year and 2nd round next year taken from the Saints, the saints assistant HC/LBer coach suspended 6 games, GM suspended 8 games and fined 500k, Saints fined 500k. According to various sources.
Quote from: JacobL on March 21, 2012, 12:03:23 PM
Looks like Tebow to the Jets
for a 4th rd pick, no less. Insulting.
Quote from: JacobL on March 21, 2012, 12:03:23 PM
the Saints just got nuked.
Welp. (https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flpix.org%2F574887%2Femot-suicide.gif&hash=9fc125ebdb2143c25f44770550ced2df4cfa57d8)
The possible player punishment is still a little ways out. If their suspensions are in anyway similar to the others it could almost guarantee a 1-4 kinda start at best.
Quote from: ulmont on March 21, 2012, 12:34:58 PM
Quote from: JacobL on March 21, 2012, 12:03:23 PM
the Saints just got nuked.
Welp. (https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flpix.org%2F574887%2Femot-suicide.gif&hash=9fc125ebdb2143c25f44770550ced2df4cfa57d8)
Serves them right.
Quote from: JacobL on March 21, 2012, 12:41:28 PM
The possible player punishment is still a little ways out. If their suspensions are in anyway similar to the others it could almost guarantee a 1-4 kinda start at best.
Yeah, and even that assumes that the Saints finally sign Brees to a long-term deal....or we're talking an 0-16 kinda start.
What good does Tebow do the Jets, other than adding a cancer to the team?
I'm shocked that Payton got suspended for a year. The punishment was so much worse than the Cheatriots got that it makes the NFL seem laughable.
How much incentive (besides a huge paycheck) would there be for Brees to stay in NO after this pr debacle?
Quote from: Neil on March 21, 2012, 01:00:51 PM
I'm shocked that Payton got suspended for a year. The punishment was so much worse than the Cheatriots got that it makes the NFL seem laughable.
That's because NFL Properties doesn't make nearly as much money off New Orleans than it does with New England.
Now, if Tom Brady played for NO, it would've been a different story. Drew Brees is a fan favorite, not a league favorite.
Nfl isn't worried about the legitimacy of their games as much ad they ate worried about multi-billion dollar workers comp lawsuits from brain damaged former players who are drooling into their whirled peas in the home.
Quote from: sbr on March 21, 2012, 01:10:57 PM
Nfl isn't worried about the legitimacy of their games as much ad they ate worried about multi-billion dollar workers comp lawsuits from brain damaged former players who are drooling into their whirled peas in the home.
I don't see how they can possibly avoid those.
Bungles pick up BenJarvus Green-Stupidname. Bye bye Cedric Benson.
Best Tebow Tweets:
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• "Tim Tebow would definitely be a Hufflepuff." — Professor Snape, @_Snape_
• "Tim Tebow to New York. Jews to Denver." — Jeffrey Ross, @realjeffreyross
• "Tim Tebow was traded for our sins." — Faux John Madden, @FauxJohnMadden
• "If only Tim Tebow and Mark Sanchez can fall for the same woman, we're 75 percent of the way to writing a wacky 80s romcom." — Kevin Van Valkenburg, @KVanValkenburg
• "What is a Tebow and does Katniss use it to kill people?" — bobby finger, @bobbyfinger
• "The jets are basically the first 30 minutes of 'major league' on a loop, and i love it." — Rob Harvilla, @harvilla
• "Hopefully with Tebow moving closer to NY, he'll finally get some attention from the media." — Josh Jackson, @joshjackson
• "Tebow traded to Jets for fourth round pick. The deal was worked out by his new agent, Judas." — Denis Leary, @denisleary
• "This tweet is also about Tim Tebow." — Mary Charlene, @IamEnidColeslaw
• "Suck it, Tebow." — Jesus Christ, @jesus_m_christ
• "We've already got 60 reasons to love the Tebow trade, 42 causes for concern, and 23 parallels between the trade and Season II of The Shield" — Fake Grantland, @fakegrantland
Looks like Minsky will have to change his tune about Tebow.
Tebow will hold a mass conversion of the heathens in Central Park. Then ascend to his golden throne.
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Shit ain't funny, yo.
I didn't realize you were on Team Jesus.
Quote from: sbr on March 22, 2012, 11:21:34 PM
I didn't realize you were on Team Jesus.
I tried to kick Timmay off, by Jesus wouldn't let me.
Brandon Jacobs to Niners?
The playoff OT rule is being applied to regular season games now, plus some other info on rules that were accepted or rejected:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/nfl/03/28/rule.changes.ap/index.html?sct=nfl_t2_a8
QuoteNFL owners passed the playoff overtime rule for the regular season Wednesday.
All games that go to overtime now can't end on a field goal on the first possession. The opposing team must get one series, and if it also kicks a field goal, the extra period continues.
Of course, if it fails to score it loses and if it gets a touchdown, it wins. The rule has not come into play since it was instituted in 2010, with only two playoff games going to OT. One ended on the first play, Tim Tebow's 80-yard touchdown pass to Demaryius Thomas for Denver over Pittsburgh. The other had several possessions for each team before the Giants beat the 49ers in the NFC title game.
The vote on adopting the overtime was 30-2.
Owners also have given the replay official permission to review turnovers just as he reviews all scoring plays.
Other rules changes: a team will lose a down for illegally kicking a loose ball; too many men on the field becomes a dead ball foul; and a player receiving a crackback block is now considered a defenseless player and the hit will result in a 15-yard penalty.
Not passed were proposals to have the booth official handle video reviews rather than the referee, and outlawing the horse-collar tackle made on quarterbacks in the pocket.
Today in history, a day which will live in infamy:
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NEVER FORGET
Don't worry. Knowing the Irsays, it's entirely possible that the Colts will be utterly futile for the rest of your life. Watching your enemies fail at everything they do is sweet.
Haven't kept up on this thread. Already mentioned that the Saints are talking to The Big Tuna about filling in during Peyton's suspension?
lulz, Onion headline blurb:
QuoteCowboys, Redskins Penalized An Additional $10 Million In Cap Space For Whatever Owners Are Planning To Do To Get Around The Cap
Friends who've never seen football before will go watch a home game of the Vienna Vikings next week Monday and I've decided to join. The Austrian league is not too bad for European standards (so I guess about U.S. high school level at best :P ), with Vienna one of the two top teams.
I checked who they're playing against - Kornmesser Rangers from Mödling.
Vienna have won their first two games against the Graz Giants (3rd last season, league had 7 teams, now 6) and the Danube Dragons (4th).
The Rangers have been promoted to the AFL this season. Their record so far: 0-52 vs. Tirol Raiders and 0-67 vs. Graz. :pinch:
The Oakland Raiders webpage actually has articles on their Austrian league counterparts. I was amused by their 52-0 beatdown of a team. :lol:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 29, 2012, 12:26:15 PM
Today in history, a day which will live in infamy:
Give it up Money. You got a team back, won a Sueprbowl, and have multiple playoff appearances.
Quote from: Barrister on April 02, 2012, 01:56:50 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 29, 2012, 12:26:15 PM
Today in history, a day which will live in infamy:
Give it up Money. You got a team back, won a Sueprbowl, and have multiple playoff appearances.
Don't bother. He loves his Ravens *and* insists on clinging to his 1983 victimhood. I asked him which he would choose between 1) his Ravens or 2) the Colts never leaving Baltimore, and he refused to answer.
Quote from: derspiess on April 02, 2012, 02:05:40 PM
I asked him which he would choose between 1) his Ravens or 2) the Colts never leaving Baltimore, and he refused to answer.
You never included the Elway Paradigm.
Ryan Leaf keeps getting arrested.
Oh yeah, the "new" uniforms are being revealed tomorrow. Mostly should just be Pro Combat versions of the current uniforms. Carolina and Seattle are getting some new looks, but that's about it afaik. Some stuff, like t-shirts and hats (New Era, they seem to be mostly fucking hideous) and shit, is already available in the NFL store.
Roethlisberger's new favorite shirt:
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Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 02, 2012, 07:01:17 PM
Oh yeah, the "new" uniforms are being revealed tomorrow. Mostly should just be Pro Combat versions of the current uniforms. Carolina and Seattle are getting some new looks, but that's about it afaik. Some stuff, like t-shirts and hats (New Era, they seem to be mostly fucking hideous) and shit, is already available in the NFL store.
Roethlisberger's new favorite shirt:
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I've got like a closet full of Bengals Reebok gear now. I had overheard that they were going to try to keep using it as long as they could get away with doing so, but maybe they've changed their minds.
Quote from: derspiess on April 02, 2012, 07:07:06 PM
I've got like a closet full of Bengals Reebok gear now. I had overheard that they were going to try to keep using it as long as they could get away with doing so, but maybe they've changed their minds.
The teams? They'd probably get fined if it got spotted. Heh.
I heard Reebok tried to hock some Tebow Jets jerseys and Nike is suing them or some such, since they don't have the rights to do that anymore.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 02, 2012, 07:22:45 PM
The teams? They'd probably get fined if it got spotted. Heh.
My take is that they think (or thought) they can get away with it for small stuff like t-shirts, shorts, socks, etc., especially for workouts, practices, and mini-camps.
So far most of what I've gotten is cold weather jackets, hats, rain gear, warm-up suits, and a couple pairs of shorts. Would like to see some shoes, socks, t-shirts & some more shorts come my way but nothing yet.
Quote from: derspiess on April 02, 2012, 07:59:26 PM
My take is that they think (or thought) they can get away with it for small stuff like t-shirts, shorts, socks, etc., especially for workouts, practices, and mini-camps.
So far most of what I've gotten is cold weather jackets, hats, rain gear, warm-up suits, and a couple pairs of shorts. Would like to see some shoes, socks, t-shirts & some more shorts come my way but nothing yet.
Yeah, they probably wouldn't be able to get away with it (like it's a terrible crime or something) for long, and it would probably just become more of a hassle than it's worth. That's some nice swag you're getting out of it though, so whatever, right? :P
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All the others are pretty much the same.
So I guess they're still unveiling the uniforms right now. The only one I've seen detailed is the Seahawks', which to me doesn't look bad despite the mostly negative feedback.
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Most or all the others seem to have changed very little. They did have a group photo of all the uniforms but it looks like they're slowly starting to release pics of each team: http://mediagallery.usatoday.com/Nike+unveils+new+NFL+uniforms/G3645,A12043
edit: damn you, MBM
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E: The most important uniform:
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The collar is different, along with the gloves and shoes of course, but that looks to be it.
Well, I don't like the neon green of the Seahawks, but besides that it's fine, I guess.
Lol, the main uniform thread over on the official Bengals forum degenerated into a pissing match over whether "Bengal" is a noun or adjective. Thought I was here for a second.
edit: :blush:
The problem with the Seahawks uniforms is that the colours will always remain ugly, so the design doesn't much matter.
I went to nfl.com, I see a whole lot of uniforms that don't appear to have made any changes at all.
1) Seattle should go back to the Jim Zorn/Dave Krieg/Curt Warner uniforms, instead of the space cadet ones they have now; they look like they belong in the PAC-10, not the NFL.
2) All NFL pants should always be white, both in home and away kits.
3) The best uniform change in recent years has been the motherfucking Buffalo Bills getting back that late 70's Joe Ferguson love.
4) Some teams would see mass revolts if they fundamentally changed their historic uniforms for something retarded. Please see: Packers, Bears, Cowboys, Browns, Raiders, Steelers, Chiefs.
5) Speaking of Chiefs, all former AFL teams should go back to their original AFL uniforms. And that includes the fucking Flaming Thumbtacks.
Soccer players wear kits, football players wear uniforms dammit.
EDIT: Seahawks unis are uglier than normal but that isn't saying much.
Quote from: derspiess on April 03, 2012, 12:09:59 PM
Lol, the main uniform thread over on the official Bengals forum degenerated into a pissing match over whether "Bengal" is a noun or verb. Thought I was here for a second.
What is the argument for it being a verb? :huh:
Quote from: sbr on April 03, 2012, 03:17:11 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 03, 2012, 12:09:59 PM
Lol, the main uniform thread over on the official Bengals forum degenerated into a pissing match over whether "Bengal" is a noun or verb. Thought I was here for a second.
What is the argument for it being a verb? :huh:
Shit, I meant adjective. :Embarrass:
Quote from: derspiess on April 03, 2012, 03:26:37 PM
Quote from: sbr on April 03, 2012, 03:17:11 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 03, 2012, 12:09:59 PM
Lol, the main uniform thread over on the official Bengals forum degenerated into a pissing match over whether "Bengal" is a noun or verb. Thought I was here for a second.
What is the argument for it being a verb? :huh:
Shit, I meant adjective. :Embarrass:
LOL Bengals fans.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 03, 2012, 03:27:02 PM
LOL Bengals fans.
You're just jealous of our HOTT cheerleaders
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57408535-504083/sarah-jones-former-cincinnati-bengals-cheerleader-pleads-not-guilty-to-student-sex-abuse-charges/
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 03, 2012, 03:12:33 PM
I went to nfl.com, I see a whole lot of uniforms that don't appear to have made any changes at all.
1) Seattle should go back to the Jim Zorn/Dave Krieg/Curt Warner uniforms, instead of the space cadet ones they have now; they look like they belong in the PAC-10, not the NFL.
2) All NFL pants should always be white, both in home and away kits.
3) The best uniform change in recent years has been the motherfucking Buffalo Bills getting back that late 70's Joe Ferguson love.
4) Some teams would see mass revolts if they fundamentally changed their historic uniforms for something retarded. Please see: Packers, Bears, Cowboys, Browns, Raiders, Steelers, Chiefs.
5) Speaking of Chiefs, all former AFL teams should go back to their original AFL uniforms. And that includes the fucking Flaming Thumbtacks.
2. No, See: Ravens black on purple , Packers obviously always have yellow.
What's wrong with you? <_<
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 03, 2012, 04:39:28 PM
2. No, See: Ravens black on purple , Packers obviously always have yellow.
What's wrong with you? <_<
Corollary #4 is the exception to #2. :P
And black pants for the Ravens suck. :bleeding:
Yeah the ravens should go back to brown and orange.
Quote from: katmai on April 03, 2012, 05:35:55 PM
Yeah the ravens should go back to brown and orange.
You can un-ban yourself, so I won't even bother.
I just can't help myself when it comes to breaking your chops on Ravens.
Quote from: derspiess on April 03, 2012, 03:39:53 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 03, 2012, 03:27:02 PM
LOL Bengals fans.
You're just jealous of our HOTT cheerleaders
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57408535-504083/sarah-jones-former-cincinnati-bengals-cheerleader-pleads-not-guilty-to-student-sex-abuse-charges/
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oof.
Audio of Gregg Williams calling names and body parts in a D meeting before the 9ers game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhnn9kbqQUA
Related Yahoo article: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-silver_gregg_williams_speech_saints_49ers_bounty_040412
Heh yet it was their own guys who were knocked the fuck out. Oooops
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 05, 2012, 08:12:17 AM
Audio of Gregg Williams calling names and body parts in a D meeting before the 9ers game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhnn9kbqQUA
Related Yahoo article: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-silver_gregg_williams_speech_saints_49ers_bounty_040412
With how it started, I thought "go for the head" and "kill the head" was just an extension of the metaphor, but yeah, he was obviously talking about targeting specific body parts. I was actually expecting the whole thing to be much ado about nothing-- just some rough locker room talk taken out of context. But there are some nuggets in there.
I bet whomever recorded that audio just lost some friends :lol:
The Saints might have tried headhunting, but the 49ers are just tough. Even their offence is blue-collar. Instead of the star being some namby-pamby QB, me-first WR or even an RB, their go-to guy is a big, tough TE who likes curling. What a mensch.
Quote from: derspiess on April 05, 2012, 11:43:11 AM
With how it started, I thought "go for the head" and "kill the head" was just an extension of the metaphor, but yeah, he was obviously talking about targeting specific body parts. I was actually expecting the whole thing to be much ado about nothing-- just some rough locker room talk taken out of context. But there are some nuggets in there.
I bet whomever recorded that audio just lost some friends :lol:
Dude who recorded it is the same guy who did the Ricky Williams 30 for 30. He was there recording because he's doing a new thing about Steve Gleason. Here's what he has to say about it:
http://theusof.com/2012/04/tru-dat-gregg-williams-saints-audio-bountygate-pay-for-pain/
Hey Seedy and Neil, I know he is removed from Ravens by a few years, but what do you know about Jason Brown(?) who signed with Rams and lost his job so Niners are looking at him to compete for RG job.
Quote from: katmai on April 06, 2012, 12:49:01 AM
Hey Seedy and Neil, I know he is removed from Ravens by a few years, but what do you know about Jason Brown(?) who signed with Rams and lost his job so Niners are looking at him to compete for RG job.
Somewhat consistent albeit unspectacular. Journeyman quality.
Brown's a solid player, but no Grubbs or Yanda. He won't single-handedly improve a line that's broken, but he'll be a good component on a line that works.
From Grantland (http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/23525/about-last-weekend-bubba-gets-his-green-on)
QuoteA crowd of 15,000 attended Easter services in Texas to hear Tim Tebow speak. When it turned out that there were only enough fish and loaves for about 100 people, Tebow miraculously created more, but then ruined everything when his attempt to throw them to the worshipers fell incomplete on the filthy ground.
Quote from: frunk on April 09, 2012, 10:12:18 AM
From Grantland (http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/23525/about-last-weekend-bubba-gets-his-green-on)
QuoteA crowd of 15,000 attended Easter services in Texas to hear Tim Tebow speak. When it turned out that there were only enough fish and loaves for about 100 people, Tebow miraculously created more, but then ruined everything when his attempt to throw them to the worshipers fell incomplete on the filthy ground.
:D
But hey, only 15,000? I had seen that they were estimating 30,000 for that thing, which is more than half the total population of Georgetown itself.
Leave the man alone already.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 09, 2012, 10:24:10 AM
Leave the man alone already.
ATM it's funny because I'm looking forward to the Jets collapse this coming season. I'll probably be tired of it again soon.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 09, 2012, 10:23:23 AM
But hey, only 15,000? I had seen that they were estimating 30,000 for that thing, which is more than half the total population of Georgetown itself.
The funny part was that it was just an interview with Tebow by the minister, he did not address the crowd directly and it was just a small part of the service. Once that little interview was done thousands of people just got up and left before the Sermon.
QuoteA New Orleans filmmaker has accused former Saints defensive quality control coach Mike Cerullo of being the man who blew the whistle on the team's pay-for-pain bounty program that resulted in the suspensions of head coach Sean Payton, GM Mickey Loomis, assistant head coach Joe Vitt and former defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, the bounty system architect.
"Based on my sources, and I believe they're very good, the former defensive quality control coach, his name is Mike Cerullo with a 'C,' was let go after the Super Bowl season and, for whatever reason, he was unable to find work in the NFL, and he believed that it was Gregg Williams and Sean Payton and others in the Saints organization blocking him from getting other work," Alan Donnes, who also wrote a book about the Saints, told America's Radio News Network on Tuesday.
"To the best of the sources I have and everybody else has, we all have that name."
Cerullo, a member of New Orleans' staff from 2007-09, now works at UConn.
"As we have stated, our information was corroborated by multiple independent sources," NFL spokesman Greg Aiello wrote in an email to CBSSports.com when asked about Cerullo's role in the investigation.
NFL Network analyst Warren Sapp seemed to strongly suggest that former Saints TE Jeremy Shockey was the whistle blower in a tweet last month.
Shockey subsequently tweeted a text message exchange with Payton which seems to absolve him of outing the team he played for from 2008-10. Shockey's tweet read: "The truth shall set u free!!"
The text conversations read:
Payton: "... hug!!!!!"
Shockey: "Thx coach"
Shockey: "Coach sux to hear the news u know I love u and that (stuff) is unfair! Sapp is saying I was the rat ... u know me and u know this is media (expletive)"
Payton: "Shock your my guy and always will be!! I know you had nothing to do with that stuff (Sapp) said!! Hell you were in the offensive (meetings) with me!!! Love ya. Sean"
NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell upheld Payton's suspension for the 2012 season Monday, and the team is now considering interim replacements after Bill Parcells bowed out Tuesday.
Goodell is expected to discipline Saints defenders who participated in the bounty program soon.
Shame. I would've loved to have seen the Big Tuna back on the sidelines one more time.
Poor Cleveland. :( Poor Rams. :( Poor Baltimore. :(
Quote2012 NFL Strength of Schedule By Team
A look at the most difficult schedules in 2012 (based on opponents' 2011 record).
Rank Team Combined W-L Record Winning Pct. Games vs. Quality Opp.**
1 N.Y. Giants* 140-116 .547 7
2 Denver* 139-117 .543 7
3 Cleveland 135-121 .527 7
4 St. Louis 134-122 .523 5
4 Baltimore* 134-122 .523 7
6 San Diego 133-123 .520 6
7 Philadelphia 132-124 .516 8
8 Minnesota 131-125 .512 7
8 Arizona 131-125 .512 6
10 Carolina 130-126 .508 5
11 Seattle 129-127 .504 5
11 Dallas 129-127 .504 7
11 New Orleans* 129-127 .504 5
14 Jacksonville 128-128 .500 8
14 Cincinnati* 128-128 .500 5
14 Pittsburgh* 128-128 .500 6
14 Indianapolis 128-128 .500 7
18 Oakland 127-129 .496 5
18 Miami 127-129 .496 6
20 N.Y. Jets 126-130 .492 6
20 Kansas City 126-130 .492 5
20 Chicago 126-130 .492 7
20 Detroit* 126-130 .492 6
24 Washington 125-131 .488 7
24 Atlanta* 125-131 .488 4
24 San Francisco* 125-131 .488 5
27 Tampa Bay 124-132 .484 5
28 Tennessee 123-133 .480 6
29 Houston* 121-135 .473 6
29 Buffalo 121-135 .473 5
31 Green Bay* 120-136 .469 7
32 New England* 116-140 .453 4
* 2011 playoff team.
** Quality opponents are teams that had at least nine wins in 2011.
I'll take that for Niners, now lets see how Harbaugh's mojo does in season two.
Quote from: katmai on April 16, 2012, 06:16:12 AM
I'll take that for Niners,
No shit, man. Talk about a red carpet to the NFC Championship game.
Quote32 New England* 116-140 .453 4
You have got to be fucking kidding me.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 16, 2012, 06:25:58 AM
Quote32 New England* 116-140 .453 4
You have got to be fucking kidding me.
© 2012 NFL Properties LLC. All rights reserved. NFL and the NFL shield design are registered trademarks of the National Football League.The team names, logos and uniform designs are registered trademarks of the teams indicated. All other NFL-related trademarks are trademarks of the National Football League.
I'm surprised Rapisitburger didn't get a more favorable SoS.
They're no longer the flavor of the month. Right now.
Quote2012 NFL Strength of Schedule By Team
A look at the most difficult schedules in 2012 (based on opponents' 2011 record).
Rank Team Combined W-L Record Winning Pct. Games vs. Quality Opp.**
29 Houston* 121-135 .473 6
29 Buffalo 121-135 .473 5
31 Green Bay * 120-136 .469 7
32 New England* 116-140 .453 4
That's just fucking crazy! :wacko:
Go fuck yourself.
NFL schedules to be released in approximately 2 minutes.
Edit: Here ya go:
http://www.nfl.com/schedules?icampaign=Schedule_release_HP_CP
LOL, the NFL off-season: NFL Network is dedicating 3 hours tonight on the entire 2012 schedule :lol:
Oh sweet jesus, game 1: Bungles at Ravens.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 17, 2012, 06:19:03 PM
Oh sweet jesus, game 1: Bungles at Ravens.
Monday Night, no less. lulz.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 16, 2012, 06:28:39 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 16, 2012, 06:25:58 AM
Quote32 New England* 116-140 .453 4
You have got to be fucking kidding me.
© 2012 NFL Properties LLC. All rights reserved. NFL and the NFL shield design are registered trademarks of the National Football League.The team names, logos and uniform designs are registered trademarks of the teams indicated. All other NFL-related trademarks are trademarks of the National Football League.
You know, this pisses me off the more I think about it. Goddamn. How the fuck they get away with it.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 17, 2012, 07:10:37 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 16, 2012, 06:28:39 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 16, 2012, 06:25:58 AM
Quote32 New England* 116-140 .453 4
You have got to be fucking kidding me.
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You know, this pisses me off the more I think about it. Goddamn. How the fuck they get away with it.
The league needs a good dose of humility. They have gotten too big for their britches.
BRING BACK THE USFL AND XFL.
Cool. Texans @ Lions on Thanksgiving.
Michael Irvin's two predictions for the beginning of the season:
1) Ravens most likely playoff team to start 2-0
2) Tim Tebow will be the starting quarterback for the Jets by Week 3 :lol:
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You have got to be fucking kidding me.
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You know, this pisses me off the more I think about it. Goddamn. How the fuck they get away with it.
Last year's record is a pretty shitty way to judge a team. Also you can't blame a team for being in a shitty division, not the Pats' fault Buffalo Miami and the Jets suck balls.
Who are New England's out of division games?
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Quote32 New England* 116-140 .453 4
You have got to be fucking kidding me.
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You know, this pisses me off the more I think about it. Goddamn. How the fuck they get away with it.
Well, the divisions they play rotate. And it just happens that this year the Patriots get the worthless (other than the 49ers) NFC West and the helpless (other than the Texans) AFC South. Couple that with the fact that the Patriots are in the weakest division in football, and their strength of schedule becomes totally candyass.
The only quality in their schedule are those two teams, the Ravens and the Broncos.
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2) Tim Tebow will be the starting quarterback for the Jets by Week 3 :lol:
Just in time for game with Niners :menace:
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Well, the divisions they play rotate. And it just happens that this year the Patriots get the worthless (other than the 49ers) NFC West and the helpless (other than the Texans) AFC South. Couple that with the fact that the Patriots are in the weakest division in football, and their strength of schedule becomes totally candyass.
The only quality in their schedule are those two teams, the Ravens and the Broncos.
And they get the Broncos, Texans, and 9ers at home.
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Well, the divisions they play rotate. And it just happens that this year the Patriots get the worthless (other than the 49ers) NFC West and the helpless (other than the Texans) AFC South. Couple that with the fact that the Patriots are in the weakest division in football, and their strength of schedule becomes totally candyass.
The only quality in their schedule are those two teams, the Ravens and the Broncos.
And they get the Broncos, Texans, and 9ers at home.
Alright, that's a little bit bullshit. Let's all hate Tim together.
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Well, the divisions they play rotate. And it just happens that this year the Patriots get the worthless (other than the 49ers) NFC West and the helpless (other than the Texans) AFC South. Couple that with the fact that the Patriots are in the weakest division in football, and their strength of schedule becomes totally candyass.
The only quality in their schedule are those two teams, the Ravens and the Broncos.
And they get the Broncos, Texans, and 9ers at home.
Alright, that's a little bit bullshit. Let's all hate Tim together.
Good; then I should have no problems getting Weapons Free this football season.
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Quote32 New England* 116-140 .453 4
You have got to be fucking kidding me.
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You know, this pisses me off the more I think about it. Goddamn. How the fuck they get away with it.
The league needs a good dose of humility. They have gotten too big for their britches.
BRING BACK THE USFL AND XFL.
We could always try a second round of CFL southern expansion. :lol:
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Oh sweet jesus, game 1: Bungles at Ravens.
Monday Night, no less. lulz.
Bungles + Ravens + Primetime = Bungles win
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You have got to be fucking kidding me.
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You know, this pisses me off the more I think about it. Goddamn. How the fuck they get away with it.
The league needs a good dose of humility. They have gotten too big for their britches.
BRING BACK THE USFL AND XFL.
We could always try a second round of CFL southern expansion. :lol:
I didn't watch that retard bullshit the first time.
XFL was insanely popular for one week. I never watched more than a few minutes.
I do miss the USFL, though. Sure, it was the New Coke of professional football, but it was fun while it lasted.
The XFL had 'He Hate Me', so that was fun.
Former Indy QB Curtis Painter has signed a 1-year deal with the Baltimore Ravens.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2012, 03:05:34 PM
Former Indy QB Curtis Painter has signed a 1-year deal with the Baltimore Ravens.
It could have been worse. Apparently they worked out Boller. Can you imagine? If Flacco ever went down, the fans would have rioted.
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Apparently they worked out Boller. Can you imagine? If Flacco ever went down, the fans would have rioted.
At first I thought it was a gag, but man, was talk radio en fuego yesterday. :lol:
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You have got to be fucking kidding me.
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You know, this pisses me off the more I think about it. Goddamn. How the fuck they get away with it.
The league needs a good dose of humility. They have gotten too big for their britches.
BRING BACK THE USFL AND XFL.
We could always try a second round of CFL southern expansion. :lol:
I didn't watch that retard bullshit the first time.
The Baltimore franchise did really, really well - the the point where Baltimore is the only American franchise to have hoisted the Grey Cup.
The rest of the teams of course... :lol:
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Former Indy QB Curtis Painter has signed a 1-year deal with the Baltimore Ravens.
It could have been worse. Apparently they worked out Boller. Can you imagine? If Flacco ever went down, the fans would have rioted.
Didn't he have another year on his contract with Oakland?
Painter wasn't a horrible QB, given the situation he was in. He needs a damned haircut, but I think he'd be an okay backup.
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Former Indy QB Curtis Painter has signed a 1-year deal with the Baltimore Ravens.
It could have been worse. Apparently they worked out Boller. Can you imagine? If Flacco ever went down, the fans would have rioted.
Didn't he have another year on his contract with Oakland?
Painter wasn't a horrible QB, given the situation he was in. He needs a damned haircut, but I think he'd be an okay backup.
I would imagine they cut him. Really, if you don't trust him as an option, why would you keep him on the roster?
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I would imagine they cut him. Really, if you don't trust him as an option, why would you keep him on the roster?
I guess. I still can't believe they were paying him over a million if they had no intention to use him. Why not just get some undrafted rookie you can pay the league minimum (unless there's a $1 million minimum for QBs I don't know about)
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Former Indy QB Curtis Painter has signed a 1-year deal with the Baltimore Ravens.
It could have been worse. Apparently they worked out Boller. Can you imagine? If Flacco ever went down, the fans would have rioted.
Didn't he have another year on his contract with Oakland?
Painter wasn't a horrible QB, given the situation he was in. He needs a damned haircut, but I think he'd be an okay backup.
I would imagine they cut him. Really, if you don't trust him as an option, why would you keep him on the roster?
At least here, he's able to work with his former head coach for the last 3 seasons.
Holy crap! If this is true the Saints will be crippled for years!
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/7846290/new-orleans-saints-mickey-loomis-eavesdrop-opposing-coaches-home-games
QuoteNEW ORLEANS -- The U.S. Attorney's Office in the Eastern District of Louisiana was told Friday that New Orleans Saints general manager Mickey Loomis had an electronic device in his Superdome suite that had been secretly re-wired to enable him to eavesdrop on visiting coaching staffs for nearly three NFL seasons, "Outside the Lines" has learned.
Sources familiar with Saints game-day operations told "Outside the Lines" that Loomis, who faces an eight-game suspension from the NFL for his role in the recent bounty scandal, had the ability to secretly listen for most of the 2002 season, his first as general manager of the Saints, and all of the 2003 and 2004 seasons. The sources spoke with "Outside the Lines" under the condition of anonymity because of fear of reprisals from members of the Saints organization.
Jim Letten, the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Louisiana, acknowledged being told of the allegations Friday. Sources said he has briefed the FBI in New Orleans about Loomis' alleged activity. If proven, the allegations could be both a violation of NFL rules and potentially a federal crime, according to legal sources. The federal Electronic Communications Privacy Act (ECPA) of 1986 prohibits any person from intercepting communications from another person using an electronic or mechanical device.
"I can say that we were just made aware of that on Friday, at least of these allegations," Letten said. "Anything beyond that I'm afraid I'm not at liberty to comment."
Greg Bensel, Saints vice president of communications, said Monday afternoon on behalf of the Saints and Loomis: "This is 1,000 percent false. This is 1,000 percent inaccurate."
NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said the league was unaware of the allegations.
Sources told "Outside the Lines" the listening device was first installed in the general manager's suite in 2000, when Loomis' predecessor, Randy Mueller, served as Saints GM. At that time, according to sources, Mueller only had the ability to use the device to monitor the game-day communications of the Saints coaching staff, not the opposing coaches. Mueller, now a senior executive with the San Diego Chargers (he also was an ESPN.com NFL analyst from 2002-05), declined to comment when contacted by "Outside the Lines."
After the transition from Mueller to Loomis, the electronic device was re-wired to listen only to opposing coaches and could no longer be used to listen to any game-day communications between members of the Saints coaching staff, one source said.
"There was a switch, and the switch accessed offense and defense," said the source. "When Randy was there, it was the Saints offense or defense, and when Mickey was there it changed over so it was the visiting offense or defense," the source said.
"Outside the Lines" could not determine for certain whether Loomis ever made use of the electronic setup.
The sources said when Loomis took his seat during home games, then in the front row of box No. 4 in the 300 level of the Superdome's north side, he was able to plug an earpiece into a jack that was under the desk in front of him. The earpiece was not unlike those used to listen to inexpensive transistor radios, the sources said. With the earpiece in place, Loomis could then toggle back and forth with a switch that he controlled, enabling him to listen to either the game-day communications of the opposing offensive or defensive coaches.
Also underneath the desk in front of Loomis, said the sources, was a metal box that contained two belt packs similar to those worn around the waists of NFL head coaches during games. The packs powered the listening device available to Loomis, which was, according to sources, hard-wired to the audio feed of the opposing coaches.
The wiring setup was disabled sometime in September 2005 in the weeks after Hurricane Katrina ravaged the Gulf Coast. The timing of the device's removal could prove significant for legal reasons. If Loomis used an electronic device to secretly listen to the opposing coaches without their consent, it would appear to be a violation of the federal ECPA statute, said Mike Emmick, a Los Angeles-based attorney.
Emmick worked for 25 years as an assistant U.S. attorney in Los Angeles, serving for eight years as chief of the public corruption and government fraud section.
"The ECPA bars any person from intentionally intercepting wire, oral or electronic communications by using an electronic or mechanical device," Emmick said. "The ECPA doesn't make it illegal just to eavesdrop. You have to have used a device ... Intentional interception by using the device is the key."
But the statute of limitations, the window federal prosecutors have to pursue any criminal charges against Loomis or the Saints, would only extend for five years after the date of such an offense, Emmick said.
If Loomis no longer had the ability to eavesdrop on opposing coaches after the 2004 season, he would be free from any potential criminal prosecution for a violation of the ECPA, Emmick said.
Loomis' alleged activity also would be a violation of Louisiana state law, according to Danny Onorato, a former assistant U.S. attorney now in private practice in Washington, D.C., where he specializes in white-collar crime. The statute of limitations for the law governing electronic eavesdropping in Louisiana is six years, Onorato said.
"A prosecutor or law enforcement should conduct a thorough investigation to make sure these are the facts. Did these individuals re-connect this device in some way?" Onorato said.
"At a minimum, somebody somewhere has a duty to investigate it to ensure the integrity of the game of football," he said.
Emmick said that it's possible Loomis and others could still be prosecuted for taking part in a conspiracy to cover up the federal ECPA violation. The statute of limitations for prosecution of a conspiracy is also five years, Emmick said, but that period would begin with the last "overt act" of the parties involved in a conspiracy.
In this case, any attempt to cover up the ECPA violation that extended into 2007 could constitute such an overt act and fall within the window of the statute of limitations, Emmick said.
Emmick and Onorato both said that any prosecution on the basis of a conspiracy to cover up an ECPA violation is unlikely. But there is another potentially far more costly aspect to Loomis' alleged behavior, according to Emmick and other legal sources contacted by ESPN.
"There's the potential for a lot of lawsuits filed by whoever was victimized by the electronic eavesdropping," Emmick said.
Under the civil laws that govern electronic eavesdropping, the victims of the eavesdropping would have two years from the time they had a "reasonable opportunity to discover the violation" in order to file lawsuits, Emmick said.
In other words, if an opposing team or individuals who were eavesdropped upon wanted to sue Loomis or the Saints, the clock would start ticking on their time frame to file a lawsuit when they discovered the alleged ECPA violation, not when the violation actually occurred.
Under Article No. 9 of the Constitution and Bylaws of the NFL, which lists "Prohibited Conduct," the league specifically bans the use of "...videotape machines, telephone tapping or bugging devices, or any other form of electronic device that might aid a team during the playing of a game."
"That would be a stupendous advantage if you had that," said Rick Venturi, who was the team's defensive coordinator during the period the sources said Loomis could eavesdrop on opposing coaches.
"That's shocking," Venturi said, when told of the allegations. "I can tell you if we did it, nobody told me about it. ... Nobody ever helped me during a game."
Venturi served in various capacities during a decade-long period with the Saints coaching staff, including a brief stint as interim head coach, and now hosts a radio program on an ESPN Radio affiliate in St. Louis.
Attempts to reach former Saints head coach Jim Haslett were not successful. Haslett served as the Saints head coach from 2000-05 and is now defensive coordinator of the Washington Redskins. Sean Payton was named head coach of the Saints in 2006.
Rick Mueller, the brother of former Saints general manager Randy Mueller, was in the Saints front office from 2000-08 and was a regular in Loomis' booth during Saints home games.
"I sat right next to him most of the time," said Mueller, who now serves as a player personnel executive with the Philadelphia Eagles. Mueller said he vaguely recalled Loomis using an earpiece during games but he could not recall whether Loomis ever did so during the period in which sources allege Loomis had the ability to eavesdrop on opponents.
During Saints home games, Loomis typically sat in a seat next to the glass separating the Saints front office personnel from the Saints assistant coaches. When asked whether Loomis in any way signaled those Saints assistants on the other side of the glass during games, Mueller replied: "I didn't get any indication of that. ... There's no communication going on between Mickey and the coaches during a game I can tell you that. ... If it was just Mickey hearing it, I would see no way he could signal our coaches next door."
In 2002, the Saints compiled a 9-7 record. The team had an 8-8 record during the 2003 and 2004 seasons. In those three seasons combined, the Saints were 12-12 in the Superdome.
The 2005 season remains the infamous one that the Saints never played a home game in the Superdome due to the devastating impact of Hurricane Katrina. According to sources, that was also the first time Loomis would not have had the ability to listen in on the play calls of opposing teams. That year the Saints finished 3-13.
NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has an established a track record of issuing severe penalties when teams attempt to skirt those rules.
When it was discovered that the New England Patriots videotaped the New York Jets coaches' signals during a September 2007 game -- the so-called "Spygate" episode -- Patriots head coach Bill Belichick was fined $500,000 by the NFL, the maximum amount permitted under league rules.
The Patriots were also fined $250,000 by the NFL, and the team was forced to give up its first-round pick in 2008.
"This episode represents a calculated and deliberate attempt to avoid longstanding rules designed to encourage fair play and promote honest competition on the playing field," Goodell wrote at the time in a letter to the Patriots.
Producer David Lubbers and production assistant Danielle DeSousa contributed to this report.
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Holy crap! If this is true the Saints will be crippled for years!
I think this one's bullshit, not least because the Saints totally sucked in 2002, 2003, and 2004.
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Holy crap! If this is true the Saints will be crippled for years!
I think this one's bullshit, not least because the Saints totally sucked in 2002, 2003, and 2004.
The Saints were so bad before they got Brees that I wouldn't be surprised to see they couldn't cheat right back then either.
And yet, actual physical evidence against the New England Cheatriots was destroyed by the Commissioner.
MOTHERFUCKER WHY THE FUCK CANT I GET AWAY FROM THIS FUCKING FUCK
QuoteHines Ward to join NBC's 'Football Night in America'
Hines Ward didn't stay retired for long. And, not suprisingly, the former football great's new career is in television.
Ward, one of the all-time most popular players for the Pittsburgh Steelers as well as a champion on ABC's "Dancing With the Stars," is the newest analyst for NBC's "Football Night in America," the network announced Thursday.
In addition, he will serve as a studio analyst for college football and appear on "NBC SportsTalk" on NBC Sports Network.
"I am really excited. It's not everyday that you get the chance to work for a powerhouse like the NBC Sports Group," Ward said in a press release. "It is a big honor for me and I am looking forward to making the most of this great opportunity."
He apparently had a successful tryout when he joined the studio during this year's Super Bowl pregame broadcast on NBC. Soon after, he retired from football after being released by the Steelers, his only team during a 14-year career that included two Super Bowl championships, three Super Bowl appearances, one Super Bowl MVP and four Pro Bowl selections.
"We think Hines is a perfect match for television because he brings with him a unique combination of charisma and football experience, which he demonstrated on our Super Bowl pregame show from Indianapolis," said Sam Flood, executive producer for NBC Sports and NBC Sports Network. "He's an opinionated personality who can draw upon his 14 years of experience, having excelled at the highest levels of the game. Just don't expect him to dance."
What did West Indian Archie teach Detroit Red? MEMORIZE THE NUMBERS NEVER WRITE ANYTHING DOWN
QuoteNFL has ledger detailing Saints bounties
The NFL has a copy of a "ledger" that details week by week earnings of New Orleans Saints players involving the team's bounty system.
The ledger shows money paid for "cart-offs" and "whacks" and deductions for "mental errors," as well as pointing to players being told of their weekly performances, according to Yahoo! Sports.
Sources told Yahoo! Sports that the NFL showed portions of the ledger during meetings with some of those who have been investigated in the scandal.
"The players clearly knew what was going on each week with the payments," a source told Yahoo! Sports.
Sources also said that Saints defensive players would routinely encourage teammates to put money earned from the bounty system back into the pool. Those sorts of cash payments violate NFL rules.
NFL Players Association spokesman George Atallah wrote in a text massage to Yahoo!Sports that the league mentioned the ledger in a meeting with the union in April, but that the NFLPA had not seen the ledger yet.
"I guess it either qualifies as evidence, which means fair due process was violated because (the) players didn't get to see it before they were punished or it is not hard evidence because they didn't get to see it and cross examine the validity of that piece of evidence," Atallah wrote.
Also Friday, ESPN.com reported that filmmaker Sean Pamphilon said that he was encouraged by former New Orleans linebacker Scott Fujita and quarterback Drew Brees to release an audio recording of former Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams telling players to hurt San Francisco 49ers players in a playoff game last season.
"Scott reassures me soon thereafter that Drew Brees agrees with the NFLPA lawyers that the audio should be released 'sooner the better,' " Pamphilon wrote on his website.
Pamphilon had access to the Saints last season as he worked on a documentary with former Saints special teams player Steve Gleason, who has been diagnosed with ALS.
He said he went public after the league announced it was investigating the Saints in March.
Williams has been suspended indefinitely, Saints coach Sean Payton and linebacker Jonathan Vilma for a year, former Saints defensive lineman Anthony Hargrove (now with the Green Bay Packers) for eight games and defensive end Will Smith four games.
Fujita, now with the Cleveland Browns, has publicly denied that a bounty system exists. Vilma has also denied involvement and has filed a defamation lawsuit against NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell.
Fucking Steeler-loving NBC.
At least we'll always know that his cheapshotting ass belongs to JJ.
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Wouldn't it make more sense to fine a few people and then destroy all the evidence? Or are the Saints not one of the chosen teams?
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Fucking Steeler-loving NBC.
At least we'll always know that his cheapshotting ass belongs to JJ.
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They are not one of the chosen teams. They were the Katrina "feel good" moment for the NFL but that horse is dead now.
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They are not one of the chosen teams. They were the Katrina "feel good" moment for the NFL but that horse is dead now.
Yeah, it was a rhetorical question.
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Fucking Steeler-loving NBC.
At least we'll always know that his cheapshotting ass belongs to JJ.
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Saved.
Man I love that team.
Quote from: Strix on June 03, 2012, 02:35:40 PM
They are not one of the chosen teams. They were the Katrina "feel good" moment for the NFL but that horse is dead now.
Yeah, it's the media's team, not NFL Properties(tm).
Yahoo wants us to start the League. Katmai, stat!
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 07, 2012, 01:53:06 PM
Yahoo wants us to start the League. Katmai, stat!
Dude it is first week in June, chill the eff out.
Quote from: Strix on June 03, 2012, 02:35:40 PM
They were the Katrina "feel good" moment for the NFL but that horse is dead now.
I hated that. I think it took this scandal to finally kill that off.
Giants cut Jake Ballard hoping to resign him when he clears waivers. Bellichoke sweeps in and claims him.
FUCK YOU TIM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 13, 2012, 05:00:55 PM
Giants cut Jake Ballard hoping to resign him when he clears waivers. Bellichoke sweeps in and claims him.
FUCK YOU TIM
What the flying fuck does Bellicheat need with another tight end? The Patriots have more than a gay bar right now.
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Giants cut Jake Ballard hoping to resign him when he clears waivers. Bellichoke sweeps in and claims him.
FUCK YOU TIM
What the flying fuck does Bellicheat need with another tight end? The Patriots have more than a gay bar right now.
They have to cut Gronkowski or whatever that fag's name is. Part of the Belicheat mystique is showing that no player is worth more than the system.
Ballard is hurt and likely won't play in '12. They are paying ~600K to keep a very good young TE on the IR.
God fucking damn it. Giants :mad:
You want to keep him? Don't cut him.
Fucking football & it's cutting habits.
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 14, 2012, 07:29:39 AM
Fucking football & it's cutting habits.
I'd think you like that emo boy.
:lol: What an unrepentant douchebag
QuoteAt Patriots minicamp, New England coach Bill Belichick said Wednesday he didn't feel his team broke an unwritten rule by claiming Ballard.
"First of all, there aren't any unwrittens," he said. "You can't negotiate a contract, release him, and then renegotiate another contract with him that was already done in advance. I'm sure the Giants weren't doing that. So the player is on waivers, he's on waivers -- ours or anybody else's. I don't know what unwrittens you're talking about. ..."
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:lol: What an unrepentant douchebag
QuoteAt Patriots minicamp, New England coach Bill Belichick said Wednesday he didn't feel his team broke an unwritten rule by claiming Ballard.
"First of all, there aren't any unwrittens," he said. "You can't negotiate a contract, release him, and then renegotiate another contract with him that was already done in advance. I'm sure the Giants weren't doing that. So the player is on waivers, he's on waivers -- ours or anybody else's. I don't know what unwrittens you're talking about. ..."
Isn't this exactly what waivers are supposed to be used for? That before the contract is torn up, every other team in the league is given a chance to take on that contract?
Yeah, happens in baseball all the time.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/jury-orders-pacman-jones-pay-005150863--nfl.html;_ylt=Asf1KHGszXdFuWGtb7478YlDubYF
QuoteJury orders 'Pacman' Jones to pay $11 million
LAS VEGAS (AP) Cincinnati Bengals cornerback Adam ''Pacman'' Jones must pay $11 million in damages to two Las Vegas strip club employees injured in 2007 when a lone gunman claiming he was doing Jones' bidding opened fire outside the club.
Tommy Urbanski, a club manager who was left paralyzed from the waist down, and Aaron Cudworth, a bouncer who was wounded, stand to collect after the late Friday verdict. Urbanksi's bones were shattered in the shooting that occurred after Jones and several other people were ejected from the club. The shooter later demanded $15,000 from Jones for ''services rendered.''
Jones' lawyer, Lisa Rasmussen, said there is no evidence Jones was behind the shooting. She said Jones, who has played five years in the NFL, didn't have the cash to cover the award because he won't receive his first paycheck of the season until September. Rasmussen plans to appeal the verdict.
''It's obviously a devastating amount for him financially,'' Rasmussen said. ''He has really worked hard to make a comeback with his NFL career.''
She said the jury in the civil case was likely swayed by the sympathetic sight of Urbanski in his wheelchair and Jones' celebrity.
''People perceive him as a person who is able to pay $11 million,'' she said. ''Adam doesn't even get paid until he plays his first game.''
Cudworth's lawyer, Richard Schonfeld, declared the verdict fair, saying the bouncer continues to grapple with ''constant pain from being shot in the chest and arm.'' Cudworth was awarded $1.3 million, including $300,000 in punitive damages. The verdict was first reported by the celebrity website TMZ.
''I am pleased that Mr. Jones has finally been held accountable,'' Schonfeld said, adding that his client ''is pleased to have closure.''
Schonfeld said he wasn't worried about an appeal or Jones' alleged inability to pay the award.
''If he is making money, I am going to be there trying to collect,'' Schonfeld said.
Urbanski said by telephone Friday evening that he believes the verdict will send a message to athletes and celebrities that they can be held responsible for public ''rampaging,'' even if they escape criminal charges.
''They've got to clean up their acts,'' he said. ''All of them.''
Jones was not in court when the verdict came down. Rasmussen said he was attending mandatory training in Cincinnati.
The Bengals re-signed Jones in March for a third season. His one-year contract is reportedly worth $950,000, including incentives. Rasmussen said Jones' salary will be distributed in 16 checks throughout the season and he only collects if he is healthy enough to play.
Jones was sidelined with a neck injury last season, but still played in eight games, including the last seven as a starter. He had 31 tackles.
This is the latest legal setback for Jones, who pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of disorderly conduct in January after he was accused of shouting profanities and trying to pull away as officers arrested him at a downtown Cincinnati bar last year. Jones received a year of probation and community service.
The Las Vegas case stems from a shooting after a strip club brawl on NBA All-Star weekend in February 2007. Police alleged Jones incited the fight by throwing wads of dollar bills toward a stage, then becoming angry when the dancers picked up the money.
Jones and his entourage were removed from the club, and police claimed Jones met briefly with the accused shooter, Arvin Kenti Edwards, before Edwards opened fire.
Jones denied having a role in the shooting. He pleaded an equivalent of no contest to misdemeanor conspiracy to commit disorderly conduct.
Edwards is serving four to 10 years in prison for his so-called Alford plea to attempted murder with use of a deadly weapon. The plea is not an admission of guilt, but acknowledges that prosecutors could have proven the case against him.
''We always maintained that there was never any direct communication between Adam Jones and the actual shooter,'' Rasmussen said.
Jones is slated to speak about his legal challenges at the NFL rookie symposium next week.
''It's something he has been going through for five years and it has devastated him on many levels,'' Rasmussen said of the Las Vegas shooting. ''Hopefully he will be able to go on and focus on football.''
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At that rate he only has to play another 12 years in the league without missing a game to pay it off.
Ladanian Tomlinson to sign with the Chargers and retire on Monday.
RIP :(
QuoteR.C. Owens, a longtime 49ers front office man and eight-year NFL wide receiver whose impressive leaping ability earned him the nickname ''Alley Oop'' and helped popularize the phrase, has died. He was 78.
The Niners, his team for the first of his five NFL seasons, announced Owens' death Monday. The team said he died Sunday and had been living in Manteca, about 75 miles east of San Francisco.
The 6-foot-3 Owens, a college basketball star at the College of Idaho, also played two seasons for the Baltimore Colts and his final year with the New York Giants in 1964. He had 206 career receptions for 3,285 yards and 22 touchdowns. He also ran for a score on his lone carry.
Owens was born on Nov. 12, 1933, in Shreveport, La.
R.C. Owens was one of those rare guys that was a prototype at his position decades ahead of his time.
Edit: I was just reading about him; I had no idea he an Elgin Baylor were basketball teammates at Idaho. :o Holy shit, that had to have been something to see.
Well, boo hoo.
QuotePittsburgh Steelers running back Rashard Mendenhall and nose tackle Casey Hampton reportedly will start the season on the Physically Unable to Perform list.
Both players are coming off major knee injuries and Steelers general manager Kevin Colbert told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review he doesn't expect to have them at the start of the season.
Mendenhall suffered a torn ACL in his right knee on Jan. 1 and Hampton sustained an ACL tear on Jan. 8.
"You've got to remember both of those injuries happened late in the year," Colbert said.
Placing them on the PUP list means that neither player would eligible to play until after the sixth game of the season.
Hampton is a five-time Pro Bowl selection with 350 tackles while Mendenhall has run for at least 928 yards the past three seasons.
I'm torn with the Yinzers drafting one of my favorite Huskies of past few years.
Want him to do well, but he is with Steelers fer christ sakes.
Quote from: katmai on June 18, 2012, 08:32:49 PM
I'm torn with the Yinzers drafting one of my favorite Huskies of past few years.
Want him to do well, but he is with Steelers fer christ sakes.
Yup. Should've been long gone by the time the Steelheads grabbed him. Fuckers.
Mendenhall isn't really that big a deal. Outside of maybe five guys, most running backs are replaceable, which contributes to their short shelf lives in the NFL. Hampton, on the other hand, is a big deal. A great nose tackle makes a lot of the stuff that the Steelers do on D easier.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 18, 2012, 07:49:59 PM
R.C. Owens was one of those rare guys that was a prototype at his position decades ahead of his time.
Edit: I was just reading about him; I had no idea he an Elgin Baylor were basketball teammates at Idaho. :o Holy shit, that had to have been something to see.
Yeah, too young to have been around when they played but being a fan of history of Niners made me a fan of R.C. and the 50's teams with Y.A. and the rest of the million dollar backfield. (John Henry Johnson, Hugh McElhenny, and Joe Perry)
The Texans haven't been up to a whole lot lately from what I've seen, although I admit I haven't been keeping track all that much. The offseason is terrible.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on June 18, 2012, 11:54:03 PM
The Texans haven't been up to a whole lot lately from what I've seen, although I admit I haven't been keeping track all that much. The offseason is terrible.
Not really. Quiet offseasons mean teams aren't going through the pangs of personnel movement. The Texans are quiet, because they are plotting. Just like the Niners. :ph34r: They're going to be scary good this season.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 19, 2012, 05:56:58 AM
Not really. Quiet offseasons mean teams aren't going through the pangs of personnel movement. The Texans are quiet, because they are plotting. Just like the Niners. :ph34r: They're going to be scary good this season.
No, I mean the offseason is terrible because shit like soccer is on TV and there isn't any real news about Texans or Longhorns football. The CWS and MLB are cool and all, but they aren't football.
E: Fuck I just deleted a bunch of stuff.
And in Ravens news, talk of the OTAs and minicamps say that Courtney Upshaw is the real fucking deal. Shame he's not going to be book-ended with T-Sizzle this season, because Lewis and Suggs say this kid flies to the ball like nobody's business.
Sean Considine is looking good, and has gotten plenty of work in while Ed Reed is off doing whatever Ed Reed does when he skips mandatory minicamps, which is going to help since they lost Nakamura and Z-Bo.
In other news, the offensive line is a train wreck. Enjoy looking at the clouds this season, Joe. Look, there's a bunny. And a squirrel.
I've been approached with a possible opportunity to run the NFL's new injury video review system for home games here. It would mean twice the money but I'd have to leave my highly important position of putting video prints into binders for the team ;)
:cool:
Cool. What are the rules on those? Are they pretty much the same as last year, which is to say irrelevant?
Quote from: Neil on June 23, 2012, 08:03:20 PM
Cool. What are the rules on those? Are they pretty much the same as last year, which is to say irrelevant?
No clue.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on June 19, 2012, 06:01:01 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 19, 2012, 05:56:58 AM
Not really. Quiet offseasons mean teams aren't going through the pangs of personnel movement. The Texans are quiet, because they are plotting. Just like the Niners. :ph34r: They're going to be scary good this season.
No, I mean the offseason is terrible because shit like soccer is on TV and there isn't any real news about Texans or Longhorns football. The CWS and MLB are cool and all, but they aren't football.
E: Fuck I just deleted a bunch of stuff.
Well you're in luck since the 2nd highest level of pro football starts in July. :cool:
The Arena Football season has already started. :huh:
Quote from: Barrister on June 23, 2012, 11:44:12 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on June 19, 2012, 06:01:01 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 19, 2012, 05:56:58 AM
Not really. Quiet offseasons mean teams aren't going through the pangs of personnel movement. The Texans are quiet, because they are plotting. Just like the Niners. :ph34r: They're going to be scary good this season.
No, I mean the offseason is terrible because shit like soccer is on TV and there isn't any real news about Texans or Longhorns football. The CWS and MLB are cool and all, but they aren't football.
E: Fuck I just deleted a bunch of stuff.
Well you're in luck since the 2nd highest level of pro football starts in July. :cool:
College football doesn't start until Aug. :huh:
Quote from: katmai on June 24, 2012, 01:55:24 AM
Quote from: Barrister on June 23, 2012, 11:44:12 PM
Well you're in luck since the 2nd highest level of pro football starts in July. :cool:
College football doesn't start until Aug. :huh:
I see what you did there.
Quote from: katmai on June 24, 2012, 01:55:24 AM
Quote from: Barrister on June 23, 2012, 11:44:12 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on June 19, 2012, 06:01:01 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 19, 2012, 05:56:58 AM
Not really. Quiet offseasons mean teams aren't going through the pangs of personnel movement. The Texans are quiet, because they are plotting. Just like the Niners. :ph34r: They're going to be scary good this season.
No, I mean the offseason is terrible because shit like soccer is on TV and there isn't any real news about Texans or Longhorns football. The CWS and MLB are cool and all, but they aren't football.
E: Fuck I just deleted a bunch of stuff.
Well you're in luck since the 2nd highest level of pro football starts in July. :cool:
College football doesn't start until Aug. :huh:
He said "pro", but considering what I think of the College Football Industrial Complex...I concede the point, sir.
Quote from: katmai on June 24, 2012, 01:55:24 AM
College football doesn't start until Aug. :huh:
Not professional. Also crappy and boring. I'd rather watch guys kick rouges all day then watch some retard try and run the option against a crap defence. At least CFL games are competitive. In college football, the real game is by the scheduling guys who secure for their team the weakest opponents, in order to act like they're good so that they can get elected national champion while being challenged as little as possible.
No, the hierarchy is as so:
NFL
CFL
An XFL reunion game
AFL
Soccer
NCAA
Canadians don't know dick about football so your opinions are null and void, stick to Hockey you hoser.
Quote from: katmai on June 24, 2012, 07:26:39 AM
Canadians don't know dick about football so your opinions are null and void, stick to Hockey you hoser.
Of course we do. When it comes to sports, we're the experts.
RIP :(
Former Oakland Raider Ben Davidson dies at 72. (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/04/sports/football/ben-davidson-defensive-end-dies-at-72.html)
QuoteBen Davidson, Defensive End for Renegade Raiders, Dies at 72
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: July 3, 2012
Davidson was being treated for prostate cancer. The former Raiders coach John Madden first reported Davidson's death on Tuesday on KCBS radio in San Francisco.
Davidson spent 11 years in professional football, starting with the Green Bay Packers and the Washington Redskins in the N.F.L. before joining the Raiders in the American Football League in 1964.
That was where the 6-foot-8 Davidson became famous. With his distinctive handlebar mustache, raspy voice and physical play, Davidson helped personify Al Davis's renegade Raiders on the 1960s.
Davidson did not play football until going to East Los Angeles Community College. He went from there to the University of Washington, where he helped the Huskies win Rose Bowls in 1960 and '61.
He was taken in the fourth round of the 1961 draft by the Giants, but he played his rookie season with Green Bay, winning the N.F.L. championship with the Packers in 1961.
After his playing career, Davidson became an actor with roles in films like "M*A*S*H," "Conan the Barbarian" and "Necessary Roughness," and he played himself in Miller Lite advertisements.
Poor Rexor.
Quote from: Neil on June 24, 2012, 07:39:10 AM
Of course we do. When it comes to sports, we're the experts.
You're experts at clubbing seals and.........................................................................okay well that seems to be it.
The pricing for game pass is out. €160 for the whole season in HD, with games on demand, condensed games, all play offs, and all games back to the 2009 season and NFL network stream. I think I may actually go for this. :hmm:
https://gamepass.nfl.com/nflgp/secure/packages?ttv=0&ttp=3&ccfeatures=true&icampaign=Prod_GP_HP_GEN_CP&module=HP11_cp
I like that the blackout rules have been relaxed a bit. Only have to sell 85% of the tickets to allow local broadcast.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on July 04, 2012, 02:19:40 AM
Quote from: Neil on June 24, 2012, 07:39:10 AM
Of course we do. When it comes to sports, we're the experts.
You're experts at clubbing seals and.........................................................................okay well that seems to be it.
Clubbing seals is still a better sport than baseball.
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 04, 2012, 06:42:26 AM
I like that the blackout rules have been relaxed a bit. Only have to sell 85% of the tickets to allow local broadcast.
Well, it would make it hard to sell the TV rights in Jacksonville when they're going to black out every game, and Buffalo and Cincy are just about as bad.
Adrian Peterson was arrested for resisting arrest. Either there's more to the story, or it's total bullshit.
Felony fumbling.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/vikings-rb-peterson-arrested-club-182012336--nfl.html
QuoteMinnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson was arrested early Saturday morning in Houston.
KHOU 11 News in Houston first reported that Peterson was arrested at 2:30 a.m. for resisting arrest.
A source told NBC Sports' Pro Football Talk that Peterson's arrest was captured by surveillance cameras and several people witnessed the incident in which Peterson reportedly got into an altercation with officers after refusing to leave the club.
According to the report, police arrived at the club at closing time and instructed the patrons to leave. Peterson, who was in the club with his wife and some family members, wanted to get some water first, but an officer ordered him to leave. Words were then exchanged between Peterson and the officer. Peterson eventually went to exit the club along with a bouncer.
It is unclear what Peterson was initially arrested for, but it was reported that it took multiple officers to take him down to complete the arrest.
He was booked at the Central Jail for resisting arrest and later released on a $1,000 bond.
QuotePeterson, who was in the club with his wife and some family members,
Most surprising part of the article.
Hey Seedy, I found out what happened to Yamon Figurs. He's playing for the Edmonton Eskimos.
1000$ bond for a millionaire athlete? Judge was in a giving mood.
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 09, 2012, 06:20:05 AM
1000$ bond for a millionaire athlete? Judge was in a giving mood.
Well, they weren't actually charging him with a crime.
Quote from: Neil on July 08, 2012, 10:22:02 PM
Hey Seedy, I found out what happened to Yamon Figurs. He's playing for the Edmonton Eskimos.
Since they probably haven't discovered the forward pass up there, he's likely safe.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 09, 2012, 07:17:01 AM
Quote from: Neil on July 08, 2012, 10:22:02 PM
Hey Seedy, I found out what happened to Yamon Figurs. He's playing for the Edmonton Eskimos.
Since they probably haven't discovered the forward pass up there, he's likely safe.
He seems to be working primarily as a return man, and his hands seem to be a little stony. He's still pretty fast though. He blazed all the way across the field to bring a missed field goal out of the end zone to avoid giving up a rouge, which was a big deal when the score was still 6-1. I don't think he ever saw the field with the offence.
Quote from: Neil on July 09, 2012, 07:37:54 AM
I don't think he ever saw the field with the offence.
If they're smart, he won't.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 09, 2012, 07:42:39 AM
Quote from: Neil on July 09, 2012, 07:37:54 AM
I don't think he ever saw the field with the offence.
If they're smart, he won't.
I don't think it really matters, since their QBs are retarded anyways. Their two QBs combined for 120 yards passing, and in a league that is all about the forward pass, that's not so good.
Oh, man.
Those of us over 40 will remember this.
QuoteNorman Sas dies at 87; inventor of quirky tabletop toy called Electric Football
Well before 'Madden NFL' video games, there was Electric Football. A switch is flicked, the gridiron vibrates and the players move — often wildly in every direction.
By Jay Levin, The Record
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Well before "Madden NFL" video games, there was a quirky tabletop toy called Electric Football.
Surely you remember it: Metal playing field. Two teams of 11 plastic football players, each standing on a rectangular base with prongs on the bottom and a knob on the side. At the beginning of each play, the human "coach" sets the players in the desired position and puts the football in the hands of one. A switch is flicked, the gridiron vibrates and the players move — often wildly in every direction. Occasionally the player with the ball "runs" to daylight.
Norman Sas invented Electric Football in 1948 and introduced it a year later. But it wasn't until 1967, when he signed a deal with NFL Properties, the pro football league's product licensing division, that the plastic players represented actual NFL teams and Electric Football really took off.
Sas, 87, who died June 28 at his home in Vero Beach, Fla., after a stroke, was "one of the real innovators of toy land," said Chris Byrne, content director of timetoplaymag.com, a toy review website.
"Who would've thought that a vibrating metal plate could capture the imagination of so many boys?" Byrne said, adding that the "chaos and unpredictability" of the players' movements gave Electric Football its magic.
Born in New York City in 1925, Norman Anders Sas received degrees in mechanical engineering and business administration from Massachusetts Institute of Technology before and after serving in the Navy during World War II. He became president of his father Elmer's New York company, Tudor Metal Products, in 1948. Among its products were toy musical instruments and an item born of Depression-era thrift: a "Budget Bank" for sorting pocket change and bills.
The 23-year-old Norman wasted no time making his mark. Inspired by a vibrating horse-racing toy he'd seen, he came up with Electric Football and quickly got it to market.
"Actual football thrills for armchair strategists!" said a 1949 New York Times display ad touting the game, available for $5.95 at the A&S department store on Fulton Street in Brooklyn.
The headline blared, "'Men' Actually Move in New Electric Football Game!"
Electric Football's success was such that Tudor Metal Products changed its name to Tudor Games. Other manufacturers rolled out their own versions, but it was Sas' game that received the NFL's imprimatur and landed in the Sears catalog. A December 1971 Sports Illustrated story identified Tudor Electric Football — then retailing for $9.95 to $14.95 — as the "bestseller" among all NFL-licensed products.
"For the first 10 years, we generated more money for NFL Properties than anyone else," Sas said in a 1999 Washington Post story about the Electric Football phenomenon. "Then the [video] games came out, and that was the beginning of the end."
Sas retired in 1988 after selling Tudor Games to Miggle Toys. He moved from Alpine, N.J., to Vero Beach, Fla., about 15 years ago. Survivors include his wife of 62 years, Irene; two daughters; and seven grandchildren.
As for Electric Football, it's still chugging and vibrating in this era of video and computer playthings, and there are competitions nationwide sponsored by the Miniature Football Coaches Assn., a hobbyists group. Miggle Toys continued to make Electric Football; in February, Miggle was acquired by a Seattle toy maker, Ballpark Classics Inc. Ballpark reverted to the name of Sas' company, Tudor Games — a nod to Electric Football's importance to the deal.
A book about Sas and Electric Football, "The Unforgettable Buzz," is scheduled to be published this year. One of its authors, Earl Shores, said the Electric Football game he received for Christmas in 1968 — NFL 620 model, New York Giants versus Cleveland Browns — "was the most important present I ever got."
"You'd sit there and on the 10th try your running back would turn to the left and magically go down the field for a touchdown," he said. "You played Electric Football for that one moment."
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Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 12, 2012, 08:33:06 AM
Oh, man.
Those of us over 40 will remember this.
QuoteNorman Sas dies at 87; inventor of quirky tabletop toy called Electric Football
Well before 'Madden NFL' video games, there was Electric Football. A switch is flicked, the gridiron vibrates and the players move — often wildly in every direction.
By Jay Levin, The Record
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Well before "Madden NFL" video games, there was a quirky tabletop toy called Electric Football.
Surely you remember it: Metal playing field. Two teams of 11 plastic football players, each standing on a rectangular base with prongs on the bottom and a knob on the side. At the beginning of each play, the human "coach" sets the players in the desired position and puts the football in the hands of one. A switch is flicked, the gridiron vibrates and the players move — often wildly in every direction. Occasionally the player with the ball "runs" to daylight.
Norman Sas invented Electric Football in 1948 and introduced it a year later. But it wasn't until 1967, when he signed a deal with NFL Properties, the pro football league's product licensing division, that the plastic players represented actual NFL teams and Electric Football really took off.
Sas, 87, who died June 28 at his home in Vero Beach, Fla., after a stroke, was "one of the real innovators of toy land," said Chris Byrne, content director of timetoplaymag.com, a toy review website.
"Who would've thought that a vibrating metal plate could capture the imagination of so many boys?" Byrne said, adding that the "chaos and unpredictability" of the players' movements gave Electric Football its magic.
Born in New York City in 1925, Norman Anders Sas received degrees in mechanical engineering and business administration from Massachusetts Institute of Technology before and after serving in the Navy during World War II. He became president of his father Elmer's New York company, Tudor Metal Products, in 1948. Among its products were toy musical instruments and an item born of Depression-era thrift: a "Budget Bank" for sorting pocket change and bills.
The 23-year-old Norman wasted no time making his mark. Inspired by a vibrating horse-racing toy he'd seen, he came up with Electric Football and quickly got it to market.
"Actual football thrills for armchair strategists!" said a 1949 New York Times display ad touting the game, available for $5.95 at the A&S department store on Fulton Street in Brooklyn.
The headline blared, "'Men' Actually Move in New Electric Football Game!"
Electric Football's success was such that Tudor Metal Products changed its name to Tudor Games. Other manufacturers rolled out their own versions, but it was Sas' game that received the NFL's imprimatur and landed in the Sears catalog. A December 1971 Sports Illustrated story identified Tudor Electric Football — then retailing for $9.95 to $14.95 — as the "bestseller" among all NFL-licensed products.
"For the first 10 years, we generated more money for NFL Properties than anyone else," Sas said in a 1999 Washington Post story about the Electric Football phenomenon. "Then the [video] games came out, and that was the beginning of the end."
Sas retired in 1988 after selling Tudor Games to Miggle Toys. He moved from Alpine, N.J., to Vero Beach, Fla., about 15 years ago. Survivors include his wife of 62 years, Irene; two daughters; and seven grandchildren.
As for Electric Football, it's still chugging and vibrating in this era of video and computer playthings, and there are competitions nationwide sponsored by the Miniature Football Coaches Assn., a hobbyists group. Miggle Toys continued to make Electric Football; in February, Miggle was acquired by a Seattle toy maker, Ballpark Classics Inc. Ballpark reverted to the name of Sas' company, Tudor Games — a nod to Electric Football's importance to the deal.
A book about Sas and Electric Football, "The Unforgettable Buzz," is scheduled to be published this year. One of its authors, Earl Shores, said the Electric Football game he received for Christmas in 1968 — NFL 620 model, New York Giants versus Cleveland Browns — "was the most important present I ever got."
"You'd sit there and on the 10th try your running back would turn to the left and magically go down the field for a touchdown," he said. "You played Electric Football for that one moment."
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:worthy:
We had two. My brother stepped on the NFC endzone on our Super Bowl XII (Cowboys vs. Broncos) field and permanently dented it, but we kept using it-- until one of my dad's co-workers gave him one for us, which turned out to be one of the earlier models because it had the goofy old-style field goals.
My brother got several teams, which IIRC came in division bundles, so we'd take the teams we didn't like much and paint them as college teams. The Rams became WVU, we did a few other college teams, and the Chiefs actually became my midget league team the Barboursville Pirates :blush:
We used to have to make our own footballs when we lost those that came with the game, and the "passer/kicker" guy was always so unusable we usually just flicked or threw the ball with our fingers.
Good times :)
Quote from: derspiess on July 12, 2012, 09:59:36 AM
We had two. My brother stepped on the NFC endzone on our Super Bowl XII (Cowboys vs. Broncos) field and permanently dented it, but we kept using it-
LOL, that's the exact same one I had. Christmas '78, I believe.
I used to listen to Colts home games on the radio in my room on Sundays--they were always blacked out due to attendance, go fig--set it up on my bed, and reenact the plays on it. Good times.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 12, 2012, 10:11:11 AM
Quote from: derspiess on July 12, 2012, 09:59:36 AM
We had two. My brother stepped on the NFC endzone on our Super Bowl XII (Cowboys vs. Broncos) field and permanently dented it, but we kept using it-
LOL, that's the exact same one I had. Christmas '78, I believe.
I used to listen to Colts home games on the radio in my room on Sundays--they were always blacked out due to attendance, go fig--set it up on my bed, and reenact the plays on it. Good times.
Remember the cheesey-assed offensive plays & defensive formations they had in the manual? None of them were based in reality and some of the offensive formations were clearly illegal. So we made our own playbooks.
Dang, I remember it took forever to line your guys up for just one play that sometimes lasted .2 seconds.
A friend of mine from college officiating just got hired as a replacement NFL official.
Quote from: Berkut on July 12, 2012, 01:53:00 PM
A friend of mine from college officiating just got hired as a replacement NFL official.
Cool. Hopefully we'll see him this fall in place of Hochuli or that rather inarticulate Jerome Boger.
Quote from: derspiess on July 12, 2012, 03:22:22 PM
Quote from: Berkut on July 12, 2012, 01:53:00 PM
A friend of mine from college officiating just got hired as a replacement NFL official.
Cool. Hopefully we'll see him this fall in place of Hochuli or that rather inarticulate Jerome Boger.
Hochuli isn't bad. OK, he made a horrific mistake, but he's not Bill Leavy or Walt Coleman.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 12, 2012, 08:33:06 AM
Oh, man.
Those of us over 40 will remember this.
Ahem I'm not over 40 like you and Ed Anger you old fogeys, and i remember it.
I had one with Steelers and Rams. :P
Thank Christ. It's about fucking time.
QuoteDrew Brees and the New Orleans Saints agreed to a five-year contract worth $100 million on Friday, according to ESPN's Chris Mortensen, making the 33-year-old quarterback the highest-paid player in NFL history.
http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2012/07/drew_brees_new_orleans_saints_10.html
Quote from: ulmont on July 13, 2012, 12:48:13 PM
Thank Christ. It's about fucking time.
QuoteDrew Brees and the New Orleans Saints agreed to a five-year contract worth $100 million on Friday, according to ESPN's Chris Mortensen, making the 33-year-old quarterback the highest-paid player in NFL history.
http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2012/07/drew_brees_new_orleans_saints_10.html
No kidding. His negotiating position must have been strengthened by the suspension of everyone on the team that was any good or provided any level of leadership. Without him, the Saints are instantly the Aints again.
Well, with the state their defense is probably going to be in after the Commish drops the hammer, he should break more records this season than ever. It'll look like a track meet.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 13, 2012, 01:23:04 PM
Well, with the state their defense is probably going to be in after the Commish drops the hammer, he should break more records this season than ever. It'll look like a track meet.
Are there more suspensions coming? I thought that just the four guys and the co-ordinator got hammered.
Maybe he could suspend all the coaches and players, and have the team owner punched in the balls at the Hall of Fame Game halftime show. Or maybe he could just fine everybody $500 and destroy all the evidence OH WAIT NOT THE PATRIOTS LOL.
Quote from: Neil on July 13, 2012, 01:41:10 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 13, 2012, 01:23:04 PM
Well, with the state their defense is probably going to be in after the Commish drops the hammer, he should break more records this season than ever. It'll look like a track meet.
Are there more suspensions coming? I thought that just the four guys and the co-ordinator got hammered.
Nah, it's done. Jonathan Vilma for the season, Will Smith for 4 games, and the other 2 guys aren't on the team anymore. Plus, Williams was already gone, Steve Spagnuolo took over, and they did some defensive free agent work. Defense will probably be better than last year.
Quote from: ulmont on July 13, 2012, 02:05:46 PM
Nah, it's done. Jonathan Vilma for the season, Will Smith for 4 games, and the other 2 guys aren't on the team anymore. Plus, Williams was already gone, Steve Spagnuolo took over, and they did some defensive free agent work. Defense will probably be better than last year.
Who did they add that will keep them from getting torched in the pass game? Did they add a lockdown corner or an elite pass rush?
Quote from: Neil on July 13, 2012, 02:43:04 PM
Quote from: ulmont on July 13, 2012, 02:05:46 PM
Nah, it's done. Jonathan Vilma for the season, Will Smith for 4 games, and the other 2 guys aren't on the team anymore. Plus, Williams was already gone, Steve Spagnuolo took over, and they did some defensive free agent work. Defense will probably be better than last year.
Who did they add that will keep them from getting torched in the pass game? Did they add a lockdown corner or an elite pass rush?
Pulled Curtis Lofton off of the Falcons, resigned Turk McBride (now healthy), and picked up Brodrick Bunkley from the Broncos. Also got Akiem Hicks from the University of Regina and Corey White from Samford in the draft, although who knows if they'll pan out.
Quote from: ulmont on July 13, 2012, 02:55:15 PM
Quote from: Neil on July 13, 2012, 02:43:04 PM
Quote from: ulmont on July 13, 2012, 02:05:46 PM
Nah, it's done. Jonathan Vilma for the season, Will Smith for 4 games, and the other 2 guys aren't on the team anymore. Plus, Williams was already gone, Steve Spagnuolo took over, and they did some defensive free agent work. Defense will probably be better than last year.
Who did they add that will keep them from getting torched in the pass game? Did they add a lockdown corner or an elite pass rush?
Pulled Curtis Lofton off of the Falcons, resigned Turk McBride (now healthy), and picked up Brodrick Bunkley from the Broncos. Also got Akiem Hicks from the University of Regina and Corey White from Samford in the draft, although who knows if they'll pan out.
I remember thinking Bunkley did a good job clogging up the run, although they did a good job stopping the run last year. I don't remember McBride, but hopefully he can bring it, especially with Smith missing time. Lofton I like as a good all-round LB. Still, Vilma's got big shoes to fill there, but if Vilma and Lofton are playing together next year, that'd be pretty impressive. Unless this White kid turns out to be Ed Reed, I'm afraid for the Saints pass D. Fortunately, Drew Brees is Superman.
Quote from: Neil on July 12, 2012, 04:54:21 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 12, 2012, 03:22:22 PM
Quote from: Berkut on July 12, 2012, 01:53:00 PM
A friend of mine from college officiating just got hired as a replacement NFL official.
Cool. Hopefully we'll see him this fall in place of Hochuli or that rather inarticulate Jerome Boger.
Hochuli isn't bad. OK, he made a horrific mistake, but he's not Bill Leavy or Walt Coleman.
My problem with Hochuli that he's an extreme narcissist and seems to think the game is about him. Refs like him need to be taken down a couple pegs.
Quote from: derspiess on July 13, 2012, 05:28:21 PM
Quote from: Neil on July 12, 2012, 04:54:21 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 12, 2012, 03:22:22 PM
Quote from: Berkut on July 12, 2012, 01:53:00 PM
A friend of mine from college officiating just got hired as a replacement NFL official.
Cool. Hopefully we'll see him this fall in place of Hochuli or that rather inarticulate Jerome Boger.
Hochuli isn't bad. OK, he made a horrific mistake, but he's not Bill Leavy or Walt Coleman.
My problem with Hochuli that he's an extreme narcissist and seems to think the game is about him. Refs like him need to be taken down a couple pegs.
I guess I could see that. His arms have made him probably the most famous official in the NFL.
Well, Ray Rice got paid. I figured once I saw Forte did his deal, Rice's deal couldn't be far behind.
About time. They couldn't go into training camp with him holding out.
QuoteThe Baltimore Ravens and franchised running back Ray Rice have agreed to terms on a five-year, $40 million contract, only minutes before Monday's deadline, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter. The deal will pay Rice $17 million in the first year and $25 million in the first two years, the source said.
Looks like they still believe in the short shelf life of RBs, though.
The fundamentals of the league haven't changed, and Rice gets tackled probably 350 times per season.
Hey Neil, I saw Terrell Suggs at the Royal Farms store around the corner last night; big football ass stuffed into a smoked out Corvette. Should've seen the fucking rims on that thing, some kind of custom matte black with red piping.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 17, 2012, 05:34:20 AM
Hey Neil, I saw Terrell Suggs at the Royal Farms store around the corner last night; big football ass stuffed into a smoked out Corvette. Should've seen the fucking rims on that thing, some kind of custom matte black with red piping.
Huge guy in a little car. :lol:
Well, when he signed his deal he was the highest-paid linebacker of all time. Sixty million will buy you some fancy shit. Was the vanity plate 'BALLSOHARD'?
'Skins signed RGIII today.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/qb-griffin-iii-signs-4-132429632--nfl.html
QuoteASHBURN, Va. (AP) -- Robert Griffin III and the Washington Redskins ended their contract impasse Wednesday when the rookie quarterback signed a four-year, fully guaranteed deal worth $21.1 million. It also includes a club option for a fifth year.
Griffin's agent, Ben Dogra, told The Associated Press that the Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback agreed to terms and will be in Redskins rookie camp on Wednesday.
Griffin, the second overall pick in the draft out of Baylor, announced the news on Twitter, writing, ''Well people....It's Time to go to Work!!! Off the unemployment line and oh yea HTTR!!!''
The latter stands for ''Hail To The Redskins,'' the team's fight song.
Griffin will be on the field Wednesday for the third day of a five-day rookie camp. He wasn't considered a holdout because training camp doesn't officially begin until July 26.
The Redskins traded their first-round choices in 2012, 2013 and 2014 as well as their second-round pick this year to the St. Louis Rams on March 10 for the right to move up four spots to take Griffin.
Coach Mike Shanahan orchestrated the trade for Griffin, who threw for 4,293 yards and 37 touchdowns with just six interceptions and ran for 699 yards and 10 touchdowns in 2011 while leading Baylor to the Alamo Bowl.
Shanahan selected the 22-year-old Griffin the starter ahead of Grossman on the final day of rookie minicamp in May.
Washington made the big move after finishing last in the NFC East for a fourth straight year with a 5-11 record in 2011. That was the 16th season in the past 19 in which the Redskins didn't make the playoffs. During that span, they have started 21 quarterbacks. The most recent, Rex Grossman, committed 25 turnovers in 13 starts last season.
Offensive lineman Josh LeRibeus, Washington's third-round choice, remains unsigned.
I despise the Foreskins with a passion reserved for very little else, but I can't wait to see this kid play.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 18, 2012, 02:16:34 PM
I despise the Foreskins with a passion reserved for very little else, but I can't wait to see this kid play.
Should be something to watch-- in his first couple years at least. Then he'll burn out, get traded and finish his career as a #2 in Philly.
Colts sign Andrew Luck to reported 4 year fully guaranteed $22 million contract.
QuoteRest easy, Colts fans. The Andrew Luck era can now officially begin.
The Colts signed the Stanford quarterback and No. 1 overall pick in the draft to a four-year, $22.1 million deal on Thursday,
''12 is officially signed!!!!!!'' Colts owner Jim Irsay tweeted, adding a photo of Luck signing his contract for good measure. Luck's agent and uncle, Will Wilson, confirmed the deal had been completed.
The deal is similar to the one signed by Cam Newton a year ago and the one signed this week by Robert Griffin III. Newton, last year's top pick, has a four-year, $22 million deal with Carolina and Griffin, who went No. 2 behind Luck in April's draft, signed a four-year contract with the Washington Redskins worth $21.1 million guaranteed, with a club option for a fifth year.
Whatever the terms, Colts fans can look forward to seeing Luck behind center this season, brought in to help the proud franchise rebound after last year's horrible skid. The injured Peyton Manning never played a down and now he's gone, off to Denver for a fresh start with the Broncos.
Indy gets a rare opportunity to transition from one star quarterback to another.
Luck threw for 35 touchdowns last season - breaking his school record of 32 in 2010 - and eclipsed John Elway's career record (77) at Stanford with 80 touchdown passes in only three seasons. He finished with 3,170 yards passing, a 70 percent completion percentage and only nine interceptions without the benefit of an elite wide receiver in 2011. He was the Heisman Trophy runner-up - twice.
Luck has a pretty good idea what to expect beyond wearing a No. 12 jersey for the Colts. He will be expected to help lead the team back from a 2-14 season that included an 0-13 start with Manning out recovering from neck surgery.
Irsay cleaned out the front office and changed coaching staffs in January and February. Bruce Arians was Manning's first NFL quarterbacks coach and he's back as Indy's offensive coordinator, and former Indy offensive coordinator Clyde Christensen is now the Colts quarterback coach.
There's a new general manager in Ryan Grigson and a new coach in Chuck Pagano.
But Luck is the cornerstone in Indy's biggest overhaul since Manning was drafted in 1998. He is expected to start immediately after playing in a pro-style system at Stanford, where he was originally tutored by former Colts quarterback and 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh.
After drafting Luck, the Colts picked tight end Coby Fleener, his Stanford teammate, in the second round. They got another tight end in Clemson's Dwayne Allen and speedy receiver T.Y. Hilton to go with Reggie Wayne.
Still, there were a lot of player moves, too.
The Colts released Manning on March 7 rather than paying him $28 million. Two days later, Indy cut defensive captains Gary Brackett and Melvin Bullitt and former Pro Bowlers Dallas Clark and Joseph Addai. They lost longtime center Jeff Saturday and emerging receiver Pierre Garcon in free agency and dipped into free-agency to improve a leaky defense and an unproven offensive line.
The biggest challenge in 2012, like it was in 1998, will be breaking in a new quarterback.
Boller signed with the Chargers. It's like Norv is already fired.
Negotiations between the Steelers and Mike Wallace have broken down and there is now talk they want to trade him.
Quote from: sbr on July 28, 2012, 11:23:23 AM
Negotiations between the Steelers and Mike Wallace have broken down and there is now talk they want to trade him.
I thought it might go that way when they signed Brown the way they did.
Still, as much as I despise the Steelers, I respect them for not getting pushed around.
Speaking of the Steelers:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82ad7f38/article/steelers-james-harrison-wonders-who-is-ken-stabler
QuoteFormer Oakland Raiders quarterback Ken Stabler was a four-time Pro Bowl honoree, a Super Bowl champion and undoubtedly one of the most famous players of his era.
Stabler also is the most high-profile name from the latest group of former players to file a concussion-related lawsuit against the NFL. In the lawsuit, Pittsburgh Steelers linebacker James Harrison is singled out as one of the game's "recidivist violators," a violent player who should be banned for his dangerous style of play.
During a Thursday appearance on WXDX-FM in Pittsburgh, host Tim Benz asked Harrison about the lawsuit that mentions his name.
Benz: James, are you aware of the story about the lawsuit mentioning your name ... and if so, what's your reaction to it?
Harrison: I'm not aware of it.
Benz: Ken Stabler and some of the other former pro football players in a concussion suit referenced you as a guy that was a repeat offender and maybe should be out of the game. When you hear former players say that about you --
Harrison: Who is -- Ken who?
Benz: Ken Stabler.
Harrison: Who is that?
Benz: Former Raiders quarterback.
Harrison: Never heard of him. His opinion doesn't matter to me.
On a semi-related note, the most famous game in Steelers history occurred on Dec. 23, 1972 ... a divisional playoff game immortalized by "The Immaculate Reception." The opposing quarterback that afternoon? You guessed it ... Kenny "The Snake" Stabler.
As much as I love Harrison . . . heck, even I know who Stabler is, and I'm not exactly an NFL historian.
Harrison isn't exactly an NFL historian either. He's not one of the fine minds in the NFL today.
QuoteHarrison: Never heard of him. His opinion doesn't matter to me.
Yeah, that's Harrison alright. All class.
Quote from: sbr on July 28, 2012, 11:23:23 AM
Negotiations between the Steelers and Mike Wallace have broken down and there is now talk they want to trade him.
Don't think that they'll get much in return for a dead newsman.
:D
James Harrison being trashy? Consider me shocked. In more pleasant news, hopefully the Browns sell to a new owner, so Lerner can officially pay all of his attention to Aston Villa instead of pretending to own and care about an NFL franchise as well.
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on July 29, 2012, 12:40:25 AM
James Harrison being trashy? Consider me shocked. In more pleasant news, hopefully the Browns sell to a new owner, so Lerner can officially pay all of his attention to Aston Villa instead of pretending to own and care about an NFL franchise as well.
Yeah, but he's going to sell it to a Steelers fan. It's a conspiracy to sabotage a rival of the Steelers... Oh wait. The Browns aren't really a rival to anyone.
Quote from: Neil on July 28, 2012, 08:00:18 AM
Boller signed with the Chargers. It's like Norv is already fired.
So much for that.
QuoteKyle Boller apparently prefers life with a beauty queen to being smacked around by 300-pound defensive linemen.
One day after signing with the San Diego Chargers, the former Ravens quarterback has reportedly retired, according to Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune.
He's just 31 years old, but after eight seasons Boller has had enough. He played with the Ravens, Rams and Raiders. He was selected by the Ravens in the first round of the 2003 NFL Draft as the 19th overall pick.
In 2004, his best season, Boller started all 16 games with the Ravens, completing 258 of 464 passes for 2,559 yards. He threw 13 touchdowns and 11 interceptions.
Boller married former Miss California and Miss USA runner-up Carrie Prejean in 2010. They had their first child in 2011.
The guy just never wanted it. He wasn't a competitor, even back in Baltimore. I guess I'll have to finally get rid of all my 'Boller for HoF' images and gear.
Poor guy is screwed once his wife spends all his money.
Good for him.
More room for Troy Smith in the 3rd string now.
QuoteTennessee Titans wide receiver O.J. Murdock committed suicide this morning in front of the Tampa high school he graduated from, according to the Tampa Police Department. He was 25 years old.
According to a news release distributed by the Tampa police, Orenthal James Murdock was found in his car at approximately 8:30 a.m. in front of Middleton High School. He had suffered an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound and was transported to Tampa General Hospital in critical condition.
Murdock was pronounced dead at 10:43 a.m.
After Murdock did not report to the Titans' training camp last week, coach Mike Munchak said Murdock had been excused for "personal reasons." No details have emerged of the issues that Murdock was dealing with.
An undrafted free agent who signed with the Titans out of Fort Hays State last year, Murdock missed the entire season with an Achilles injury. Murdock began his college career at South Carolina, where he played for two years and was a teammate of Kenny McKinley, a Denver Broncos wide receiver who committed suicide in 2010.
Quote from: Neil on July 29, 2012, 07:46:56 AM
Yeah, but he's going to sell it to a Steelers fan. It's a conspiracy to sabotage a rival of the Steelers... Oh wait. The Browns aren't really a rival to anyone.
Yeah they are, sorta. But only because we share a state with them :mellow:
Quote from: derspiess on July 30, 2012, 02:40:35 PM
Quote from: Neil on July 29, 2012, 07:46:56 AM
Yeah, but he's going to sell it to a Steelers fan. It's a conspiracy to sabotage a rival of the Steelers... Oh wait. The Browns aren't really a rival to anyone.
Yeah they are, sorta. But only because we share a state with them :mellow:
Have the Browns and Bengals shared a good season in the last 20 years? I guess it's some cheap heat, and they've had some real shootouts (how many years ago was it that they had a game that was 50-something to 40-something?), but the games aren't really all that meaningful.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/51592/steelers-jersey-irks-some-ex-ravens
QuoteSteelers jersey irks some ex-Ravens
Tom Zbikowski, the former Ravens safety, couldn't believe what he saw at his first Colts training camp. Someone in the stands was wearing a Steelers jersey.
Zbikowski pointed out the fan to Colts first-year head coach Chuck Pagano, and the former Ravens defensive coordinator worked a deal to get Zach Simmons to change into an Andrew Luck jersey.
"It took some prying, it wasn't easy," Pagano said, via the Indianapolis Star.
Simmons, who has a tattoo on his right shoulder and had a Terrible Towel in hand, wanted to catch the eye of offensive coordinator Bruce Arians, who had the same job with the Steelers, and former Steelers running back Mewelde Moore.
"For an ex-Raven, I was surprised, he was a real nice guy," the fan said of Pagano.
It's nice to see that the Ravens-Steelers rivalry doesn't go away even when you leave one of those teams. Remember in March when former Ravens linebacker Jarret Johnson said he couldn't go to the Steelers in free agency because "I would've had to throw up on my jersey every time we played."
As far as Pagano, it took some moxie to approach a fan, especially one wearing a James Harrison jersey. But the fan was lucky that he wore his jersey to watch the Colts and not the Jets. My guess is Rex Ryan, another former Ravens defensive coordinator, would have used a few expletives in his chat with him.
:lol:
Browns sold.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 02, 2012, 05:26:07 PM
Browns sold.
:yeah: Now if only they could go back in time and never hire Holmgren. Or do anything they've done since coming back. Or leave for Baltimore.
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on August 02, 2012, 10:26:54 PM
Or do anything they've done since coming back. Or leave for Baltimore.
Sorry, bro. Some things just aren't meant to be.
:( I'm glad Baltimore has a team, and I like the Ravens, but how awesome would that team be for Cleveland? Blue collar, knock down, drag out team for a city of the same mentality. Not to mention being able to still have Ozzie as a connection. The Super Bowl win would have been nice, too.
QuoteThere was so much goodness in our rollicking Chris Kluwe live chat from the other night that it almost seems unfair to single out just one of Kluwe's responses. But one answer in particular caught my eye and demanded some additional details:
Joey Porter is the only person on my jerk list, because he's a frothing dingleberry.
Eight years in the NFL, and Kluwe only has one guy on his "jerk list"? What the hell could Porter have done to him to make Kluwe feel that way? With Porter formally retiring as a Steeler tonight—is that even necessary, by the way?—I put the question to Kluwe via email this afternoon. He quickly wrote back to tell the whole story:
So here's my Joey Porter story. My rookie year in Week 11 or 12 we were playing the Lions and I ended up tearing my ACL in my kicking leg in the second quarter, and then almost breaking my ankle in the third quarter when a guy dove in on a punt, missed the ball and landed right on my plant leg. Was out for the next game because I couldn't walk (they brought Darren Bennet back in to punt, I think it was against the Rams but not totally sure) and the week after that we played the Steelers (I didn't know I had a torn ACL at the time because the former team doctors and training staff told me it was just "damaged"). So here I am warming up before the game, trying to figure out how I'm going to kick the ball with no plant foot and no leg snap in my kicking leg, and still a rookie so absolutely determined that there's no way in hell I'm coming off the field and letting someone else take my job.
Enter Joey Porter. Apparently he had this thing where he would claim the entire half of the field the Steelers were warming up on and harass anyone on the opposing team that came across the 50 (the NFL rules are that each team gets to the 45-yard line to warm up with the intervening 10 yards as a buffer zone, in reality the punters and kickers still use this space because we simply don't have enough room to warm up otherwise and no one cares). So I'm finishing up my warmups, hitting plus 50s from their 45, and he comes wandering over and starts barking "I need my 50, I need my 50." At this point their team is stretching on the 30-yard line, so I give him my best "What the fuck kind of mouth breather are you?" look and continue warming up. He then posts up right behind me, pretends like he's stretching, and starts bumping me as I'm punting.
Now Darren Bennet was still on the team but hadn't dressed for the game, as it was a gameday decision on whether or not I'd be able to punt, so he's sitting on the bench in warmups talking to a couple people. Once Joey starts pulling his shit Darren comes flying off the bench, gets up in Joey's face and starts shoving him back; I don't know if you ever saw Darren in person but he's a big guy and isn't afraid to level someone. I'm kind of just staring now because I have no idea what's going on (as well as currently possessing zero functional lower limbs), and then a couple of their dudes come flying in, a couple of our dudes come flying in, and there's a minor fracas for several minutes until the refs get everyone separated. They then tell me I need to move over to my side of the field, which is completely too short for me to punt on, so I say "Fine, whatever," line up on the 30 facing the Steelers' side and start dropping punts over where their linebackers are trying to warm up, with a special emphasis on aiming at Joey. About six punts later the head ref comes over and tells me I need to scoot back, so I tell him "Nope, I'm on my side and I need to get ready for the game" and proceed to punt at the linebackers for their entire warmup session.
Long story short, Joey Porter's an asshole and I'm really sad I wasn't able to get him to roll an ankle or blow out a knee stepping on a loose ball. In my entire career he's the only person I've ever met that's been a total dickhead.
Addendum: Another team pretty notorious for screwing with punter warmups were the Cowboys under Wade Phillips; they'd come out to stretch like an hour and a half before the game (which is right in the middle of the kicker/punter warmup time) and cover the entire half of their field so you couldn't use it. Every time they did, I'd just start launching balls into their stretch lines. I don't know if they still do it, but fuck 'em if they can't show some common courtesy.
Heh yeah Darren Bennet is probably only punter who is as big as most linebackers.
QuoteEnter Joey Porter. Apparently he had this thing where he would claim the entire half of the field the Steelers were warming up on and harass anyone on the opposing team that came across the 50
Yeah, that's how he got ejected before a game with the Ravens, trying that shit with the Ravens offense in 2004, woofing at them during warm-ups. Enter Ray Lewis, who speaks a few words to Porter.* Porter then freaks out and gets his ass ejected in nothing flat, 20 minutes before game time.
Total punk ass bitch.
*According to witnesses, there was a cursory inquiry as to how Porter was recovering from the gunshot wound that he had suffered during the previous preseason, but apparently Ray Ray had not been so polite about it. Advantage: Lewis. As always.
Fuck Joey Porter. He makes James Harrison look like Mr. Class.
edit: Awesome story, Seedy.
Quote from: Neil on August 03, 2012, 06:50:34 PM
Awesome story, Seedy.
You catch a bullet in your ass and then try to woof in his house, Ray Ray will call you out on it.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 03, 2012, 06:27:48 PM
and proceed to punt at the linebackers for their entire warmup session.
Haha fuck the Steelers.
I guess I should bump this for the Hall of Fame game. Kolb got knocked out of the game already. "Rib contusions." Halftime 17-7 Saints.
Also, Andy Reid's son was apparently found dead today.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 05, 2012, 08:38:16 PM
Also, Andy Reid's son was apparently found dead today.
Can't say that wasn't coming.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 05, 2012, 08:39:32 PM
Can't say that wasn't coming.
Yeah.
Hey, is it just me, or do some of these new Nike jerseys look a lot more loose than the old Reebok ones?
Also, something else was throwing me off a little while they were showing Brees on the sidelines. I just figured out what it is: the elastic on the sleeves looks....big?
Quote from: katmai on August 03, 2012, 06:33:23 PM
Heh yeah Darren Bennet is probably only punter who is as big as most linebackers.
Bennet was one of my favorite players.
With most punters, if the return man breaks through the coverage and has only the punter left to beat, you can figure it's gonna be a touchdown; with Bennet in that situation, you wondered if the return man would be able to finish the game.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 05, 2012, 09:08:46 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 05, 2012, 08:39:32 PM
Can't say that wasn't coming.
Yeah.
Wasn't the druggie criminal, it was the one that was the assistant coach, found in his room in training camp at 7:30am. Now that was the one that
wasn't coming.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 06, 2012, 06:18:23 AM
Wasn't the druggie criminal, it was the one that was the assistant coach
Garrett was also a druggie criminal. This wasn't the one who got nailed for waiving a gun around (or whatever) though. This was the DUI/dealer one.
E: To be fair, this one had cleaned up (or...er...apparently), and was trying to become IIRC a pro level S&C coach.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 06, 2012, 06:24:55 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 06, 2012, 06:18:23 AM
Wasn't the druggie criminal, it was the one that was the assistant coach
Garrett was also a druggie criminal. This wasn't the one who got nailed for waiving a gun around (or whatever) though. This was the DUI/dealer one.
Christ, Andy.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 06, 2012, 06:27:54 AM
Christ, Andy.
I
think the gun and DUI incidents happened on the same day, possibly at around the same time and all. While Garrett was busy smashing his car up and hurting another driver, Britt was sticking a gun in someone's face because they cut him off or something. Must have been a helluva day for Andy.
Ok, remind me. Am I right that there's nowhere to see most of the preseason NFL games other than the nfl.com's streaming package?
I don't know about seeing them live but nfl network should show a replay of every game at some point this month.
Colt McCoy lost the QB battle up in shitholeland.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 06, 2012, 05:01:36 PM
Colt McCoy lost the QB battle up in shitholeland.
You mean won the QB battle. Send the old guy out there to get throttled for a bit.
But seriously what happened? I didn't think it was really going to be QB battle. You do not bring in a first round QB to sit on the bench. Particularly a 30 year old rookie.
Quote from: Valmy on August 06, 2012, 05:09:01 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 06, 2012, 05:01:36 PM
Colt McCoy lost the QB battle up in shitholeland.
You mean won the QB battle. Send the old guy out there to get throttled for a bit.
But seriously what happened? I didn't think it was really going to be QB battle. You do not bring in a first round QB to sit on the bench. Particularly a 30 year old rookie.
What happened? Colt sucks.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 06, 2012, 05:12:11 PM
What happened? Colt sucks.
Nah. The Browns have no offensive line, running game, and the worst group of WRs I have ever seen on a professional level. They were far and away the league leaders in drops and Colt has no cannon arm. You have be pretty decent to give your horrible wide outs a chance to lead the league in drops. Colt is just the scape goat for the Browns horrible management.
Colt sucks. Texas sucks.
But Jordan Shipley rules.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 06, 2012, 05:16:13 PM
Colt sucks. Texas sucks.
I disagree. In fact it is the Browns that suck.
Colt will end up eventually getting traded to another team and do pretty well.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 06, 2012, 05:16:13 PM
Colt sucks. Texas sucks.
We sure suck without him that is for sure :weep:
Quote from: Valmy on August 06, 2012, 05:14:32 PM
and the worst group of WRs I have ever seen on a professional level.
2004 Baltimore Ravens. Travis Taylor, Kevin Johnson, Randy Hymes, Devard Darling and Clarence Moore. If not for Todd Heap at TE, every single pass-receiving player on the team would have been completely futile. And Chester Taylor out of the backfield. Jamal Lewis probably had the worst hands in the history of the NFL.
Quote from: Neil on August 06, 2012, 05:50:24 PM
2004 Baltimore Ravens. Travis Taylor, Kevin Johnson, Randy Hymes, Devard Darling and Clarence Moore. If not for Todd Heap at TE, every single pass-receiving player on the team would have been completely futile. And Chester Taylor out of the backfield. Jamal Lewis probably had the worst hands in the history of the NFL.
Oh dear God, the memories. :bleeding:
But no, it was always Kyle Boller's fault. :rolleyes:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 06, 2012, 06:15:07 PM
Quote from: Neil on August 06, 2012, 05:50:24 PM
2004 Baltimore Ravens. Travis Taylor, Kevin Johnson, Randy Hymes, Devard Darling and Clarence Moore. If not for Todd Heap at TE, every single pass-receiving player on the team would have been completely futile. And Chester Taylor out of the backfield. Jamal Lewis probably had the worst hands in the history of the NFL.
Oh dear God, the memories. :bleeding:
But no, it was always Kyle Boller's fault. :rolleyes:
At least in 2004 he managed to throw more TDs than picks, thanks to throwing jump balls on short-yardage endzone fades to Moore. That was the only thing that Moore did well.
And that was probably my second year of hardcore fandom.
Travis Taylor is the only one of those WRs I recognize.
E: Wait...Kevin Johnson too, if that's the Browns player.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 06, 2012, 06:28:04 PM
Travis Taylor is the only one of those WRs I recognize.
And probably because of the ESPN "Inside The Lines" segment they did on what draft picks do with their money before they even play a down, not anything he did on the field. :lol:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 06, 2012, 06:29:39 PM
And probably because of the ESPN "Inside The Lines" segment they did on what draft picks do with their money before they even play a down, not anything he did on the field. :lol:
:lol: Naw, from college. He was kind of a badass his last year at Florida.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 06, 2012, 06:28:04 PM
Travis Taylor is the only one of those WRs I recognize.
E: Wait...Kevin Johnson too, if that's the Browns player.
Yeah, that's him.
I'll always remember him because Madden 2005 couldn't defend a quick slant to the weak side, so KJ had about 25-30 touchdowns over a season.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 06, 2012, 06:34:55 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 06, 2012, 06:29:39 PM
And probably because of the ESPN "Inside The Lines" segment they did on what draft picks do with their money before they even play a down, not anything he did on the field. :lol:
:lol: Naw, from college. He was kind of a badass his last year at Florida.
Reminds me of the saying muttered by old sailors on the eve of the NFL Draft:
Gator back, all's fair
Gator wideout, beware
Quote from: derspiess on August 06, 2012, 05:38:19 PM
But Jordan Shipley rules.
:yes:
And his little brother too.
Quote from: Valmy on August 06, 2012, 05:14:32 PM
Nah. The Browns have no offensive line, running game, and the worst group of WRs I have ever seen on a professional level. They were far and away the league leaders in drops and Colt has no cannon arm. You have be pretty decent to give your horrible wide outs a chance to lead the league in drops. Colt is just the scape goat for the Browns horrible management.
This. :frusty: Holmgren, Heckert, and Shurmer have made sure the Browns will be shittier than their color for years to come. A cannon arm, mediocre pocket presence, and average accuracy are what are most important in the West Coast offense qb we demanded be instated and call, yet refuse to bring in the players to properly run!
man, you people won't let me troll Val. You people suck. Just like texas QB's.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 06, 2012, 08:51:04 PM
man, you people won't let me troll Val. You people suck. Just like texas QB's.
You're even worse, with your weak trolls. You forgot to specifically mention and shame Vince Young, who you suck like.
First the Seahawks sign TO.
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He is going to join Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow in Seattle on a team that will probably have a mediocre QB this year.
I can't wait for the drama and tears up north. :D
Good article
http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp12/story/_/id/8239047/andy-reid-family-face-most-difficult-emotional-challenge-tragic-death-oldest-son-garrett
QuoteReid faces most difficult challenge
How's your family? It is a question I ask Andy Reid every time I see him. Friday was no different. For the past two years, the answer has been the same.
"They're good," Reid said, shaking my hand. "How are your kids?"
"Getting bigger," I said.
"That's what they're supposed to do," Reid said.
That is what they're supposed to do. Children are supposed to grow, get bigger, go to college, get married and have children of their own. That is the hope. They aren't supposed to die before their parents do.
A parent is never supposed to bury a child. It is a life-changer. One minute, your world is good. The next, you have an unfathomable void, a never-ending ache and a sadness that won't go away and doesn't really ease with time.
That is what Andy Reid and his wife, Tammy, are facing now that their oldest son, Garrett, has passed away. Garrett was found dead Sunday morning in a dorm room at Lehigh University, where the Philadelphia Eagles are holding their training camp. He was 29 years old.
Andy Reid was so proud to have Garrett, his oldest son, at camp. He was proud of his older sons, Garrett and Britt. Each had served time in prison for drug-related offenses and completed drug rehabilitation programs. Each seemingly had moved on. Britt is now married and working as a graduate assistant for the Temple University football program. Garrett was working for the Eagles as an assistant to the strength and conditioning staff. A third son, Spencer, is a running back at Temple, about to enter his redshirt freshman season. The Reids also have two daughters, Crosby and Drew Ann.
Now Garrett is dead. It is unspeakably sad, for Andy and Tammy, for their four other children and for the Philadelphia Eagles organization.
To bury a child is the cruelest part of being a parent, no matter the circumstances. Garrett was Reid's first child. Father and son were close. They had been through hell together. For 10 years, Reid had dealt with his son's addiction, and for nearly two years Reid had visited Garrett in prison. He went to drug rehab with his son. He was a rock, a constant presence, a loving father and a disciplinarian. Garrett's journey was ongoing. He was living at home, trying to make it.
Now hell is starting anew.
Three days ago, I sat with Andy Reid at Lehigh for almost an hour. He dismissed the notion that this season, his 14th in Philadelphia, would be any bigger than the previous 13. He was talkative and funny, relaxed and at ease. He said he likes his team, particularly his quarterback, and joked that he is growing a long mustache because the hair on his head is thinning, another reminder that time continues to march along.
Two years ago, Reid was reflective and hopeful. Finally, his sons were on a straighter path, but it was a path Reid knew would be pocked with potential problems. Speaking to me in 2010 for the first time about the road he had traveled, Reid said he hoped the time between relapses with Garrett would grow longer, and that when he did relapse, he hoped it wouldn't kill him.
That was reality. That was the truth. There was rock bottom, and then there was hope. The Reids straddled that reality every day. They hoped for the best and feared the worst.
For nearly two years every Thursday night, Reid visited his sons in prison. For Garrett, Reid went to three facilities in the Philadelphia area. The prison guards said Reid was cordial, polite, open and amenable. Reid told me he tried to be accessible so his sons wouldn't face more problems. Being the incarcerated son of the Eagles' coach was hard enough. Reid didn't want to add to it.
And he didn't. Once Britt and Garrett were out of one prison, Reid left a box of Eagles hats in the prison lobby, as thanks. He was grateful. He understood. The warden had Reid's cell phone number. Reid picked up whenever he called.
With Garrett, unlike Britt, the road to recovery was always rocky. He was an addict. There was no way around it. We don't yet know how he died, whether it was natural causes or something else, but we know how he lived.
On Friday, Reid told me his sons were doing well, but there was the sense that he was always worried. A heroin addiction is an addiction for life. It grabs you, rips at your insides, pulls at a family and scares you.
Money can't erase that or ease the pain Reid is feeling now. With a demanding job that requires time and energy, Reid wasn't around every day to usher his kids through their teenage years and beyond. That was his wife's responsibility. In 2010, Reid talked about how hard it was on his wife, how a lawyer told them parents of a drug-addicted child rarely stay together, how he had to let her vent and grieve, and how he had to send flowers. Lots of flowers.
Now, no matter what caused Garrett Reid to die, there will be flowers and tears and regret. There will be a funeral Tuesday and a sadness over a life lost too young. No one would blame Reid for walking away from football, for saying enough is enough. Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie on Sunday said Reid will be back later this week, to grab hold of his team and make another run at a Super Bowl, one that many think could be Reid's last in Philadelphia.
It doesn't really matter now. What matters is that a family is grieving. A good man lost his son. It is tragic, and so, so sad. Reid will have to find it within himself to go on.
How's your family? For the Reids, the answer will never be the same.
Browns first round pick Trent Richardson heading to Florida to have Dr James Andrews look at his knee.
Poor Browns.
Colt McCoy, Poison and team killer.
Quote from: sbr on August 08, 2012, 04:07:17 PM
Browns first round pick Trent Richardson heading to Florida to have Dr James Andrews look at his knee.
Poor Browns.
Plus Joe Haden is likely to be suspended for the first 4 games for failing a drug test due to aderall.
Chargers - Packers just started on ESPN if you're really needing football. D-II refs + preseason shittiness = good times.
+ Norv
Only reason I'm watching is to see Brandon Saine and AJ Hawk.
So Vick is already crippled? That's fast.
Ravens-Falcons is like watching paint dry.
Synopsis of the first half: Tons of starters didn't even bother to dress: lots of Ravens WR dropsies, OL looked good protecting Flacco, who had a decent TD drive to Ed Dickson who got dinged up on the play in the 2nd quarter; Torre Smith looks look; defensive line and backfield playing decent despite giving up 14 points early. DL doing good putting pressure on. Brendan Ayenbadejo had a nice 40 INT return, good to see him back on the field.
Look for the highlights on NFL network, Neil; they may very well show Vontae Leach's first complete fucking paving of a noob DB of the year. Vontae Leach with a 10 yard head of steam? WELCOME TO THE NFL KID
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 09, 2012, 08:32:15 PM
Ravens-Falcons is like watching paint dry.
Synopsis of the first half: Tons of starters didn't even bother to dress: lots of Ravens WR dropsies, OL looked good protecting Flacco, who had a decent TD drive to Ed Dickson who got dinged up on the play in the 2nd quarter; Torre Smith looks look; defensive line and backfield playing decent despite giving up 14 points early. DL doing good putting pressure on. Brendan Ayenbadejo had a nice 40 INT return, good to see him back on the field.
Look for the highlights on NFL network, Neil; they may very well show Vontae Leach's first complete fucking paving of a noob DB of the year. Vontae Leach with a 10 yard head of steam? WELCOME TO THE NFL KID
They're airing the game at 1am. PVR is set.
Kids are fun, because they're so intent on making the team that they do things that they shouldn't, like get infront of Vontae Leach.
Tomorrow night is Randy Moss debut!
Quote from: Neil on August 09, 2012, 09:05:59 PM
They're airing the game at 1am. PVR is set.
Kids are fun, because they're so intent on making the team that they do things that they shouldn't, like get infront of Vontae Leach.
Just like every preseason game, you've got your oh-shit-not-him injuries, and your who-is-that-kid moments. You'll see.
Do you guys believe that the Refs lookout lasts all season?
Those Refs, they are not the players, they have other jobs.
I am pretty sure the reguar refs will be back by opening day. I mean lingerie league rejects? Really NFL?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 09, 2012, 09:24:24 PM
Quote from: Neil on August 09, 2012, 09:05:59 PM
They're airing the game at 1am. PVR is set.
Kids are fun, because they're so intent on making the team that they do things that they shouldn't, like get infront of Vontae Leach.
Just like every preseason game, you've got your oh-shit-not-him injuries, and your who-is-that-kid moments. You'll see.
For tonight's game I'm more interested to see how many fistfights break out on the Jets sideline than I am about anything else.
So, I splurged on the GamePass package. :blush:
And now I'm gonna go watch the 2010 game Steelers @ Ravens.
I torrented both Ravens-Steelers games form last year, and the 2009 playoff game vs. the Cheatriots. Very pleasant.
I've tried, but I just can't get into old games. I know the outcome. All of that anticipation / worry which makes live sports so good, is gone.
Now I will PVR a game and watch it later that day if I don't know the result, but watch a game from months ago? Nah.
Quote from: Barrister on August 10, 2012, 02:39:18 PM
I've tried, but I just can't get into old games. I know the outcome. All of that anticipation / worry which makes live sports so good, is gone.
Now I will PVR a game and watch it later that day if I don't know the result, but watch a game from months ago? Nah.
Yeah, I'm the same way.
Nick Foles had a rather kick ass NFL debut.
Quote from: Barrister on August 10, 2012, 02:39:18 PM
I've tried, but I just can't get into old games. I know the outcome. All of that anticipation / worry which makes live sports so good, is gone.
Now I will PVR a game and watch it later that day if I don't know the result, but watch a game from months ago? Nah.
There's some games that you watch to remember how you felt at various moments in the games. I could watch Hines Ward get jacked up all day long, or see Brady get booed off his home field in the playoffs, where he had never lost.
Bengals looked pretty good tonight. Or the Jets just looked terrible. Jets fans went crazy when Tebow took to the field and I almost can't blame them, given that Sanchez is still the starter.
I decided not to do the injury review thingie, because it would mean "leaving the team". So I'm back at the old spot, sorting video prints. We can't wear team gear because we're technically outside of the bench area, so I have to wear that annoying generic-looking blue NFL gear. Kinda wish I had taken the injury review job. I did at least get a new pair of Nike trainers.
Haven't had chance to watch game yet (on in hour on NFL Network), But seems the backup QB ran for 85yrd touchdown in the 17-6 win over Vikes :lol:
Quote from: derspiess on August 10, 2012, 11:48:53 PM
I decided not to do the injury review thingie, because it would mean "leaving the team". So I'm back at the old spot, sorting video prints. We can't wear team gear because we're technically outside of the bench area, so I have to wear that annoying generic-looking blue NFL gear. Kinda wish I had taken the injury review job. I did at least get a new pair of Nike trainers.
Meh, you're better off down in the trenches, doing the important work with the video prints the squads need between drives.
Think of yourself as Bengals Intelligence. OK, that's a contradiction. Bengals Geospatial Imagery Division.
:sigh: Goddammit, they were so good.
http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-media/videos/NFL-Films-Next-Man-Up/2064cb70-0751-4f8c-905f-166c2793eca5
e: Oh, the all whites should be a standard uniform. I can't stress this enough. Fantastic uniforms.
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Go Texans. In Son of Bum we trust.
E2: Not in there, but: Cushing: "My forehead feels like D-Day." The guy just fucking rules. Oh, and TJ Yates is a damn hero.
Chad Johnson in jail. :lol:
Domestic violence. :lol: :lol:
Shocking.
QuoteWell, it was fun while it lasted.
Receiver Chad Johnson's stint with the Dolphins has ended. A league source tells PFT that the Dolphins have decided to cut the veteran wideout.
The news was first reported by Jay Glazer of FOXSports.com.
It didn't happen because of poor performance (although based on Johnson's performance in the preseason opener it may have, eventually). It happened because Johnson was arrested on Saturday night for head-butting the woman he married nearly a month ago.
There will be another sucker out there.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
QuoteDAVIE, Fla. (AP) -- For Chad Johnson, a weekend confrontation with his wife has led to repercussions beyond a misdemeanor charge and NFL unemployment.
VH1 pulled from its schedule the reality series ''Ev and Ocho,'' starring newlyweds Johnson - formerly known as Chad Ochocinco - and Evelyn Lozada. The network announced the move Monday, citing ''the seriousness of the allegations'' against Johnson, and said it had no plans to air the show.
The Dolphins terminated Johnson's contract Sunday night, about 24 hours after he was arrested in a domestic battery case involving Lozada, who is on the reality TV show ''Basketball Wives.'' ''Ev and Ocho'' was conceived as a spinoff and had been slated to debut Sept. 3.
I bet Marvin Lewis is laughing his ass off.
When you marry a bitch, you get what you deserve.
QuoteThe first official fight of training camp took place Wednesday -- the last camp practice that will be held at the Under Armour Performance Center this summer -- and it was a good one. Defensive end Arthur Jones and center Gino Gradkowski wrestled each other to the ground during one play. Jones wound up on top and both started swinging. Then offensive tackle Jah Reid was swarmed by a group of defenders, including safety Bernard Pollard, and dozens of players jumped in to either get a few shots in or attempt to play peacemaker. Once the players separated themselves, it was back to business and the practice ended without another incident.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 16, 2012, 05:12:36 AM
QuoteThe first official fight of training camp took place Wednesday -- the last camp practice that will be held at the Under Armour Performance Center this summer -- and it was a good one. Defensive end Arthur Jones and center Gino Gradkowski wrestled each other to the ground during one play. Jones wound up on top and both started swinging. Then offensive tackle Jah Reid was swarmed by a group of defenders, including safety Bernard Pollard, and dozens of players jumped in to either get a few shots in or attempt to play peacemaker. Once the players separated themselves, it was back to business and the practice ended without another incident.
Odd how the article failed to mention that this practice session took place in the showers. :nelson:
So, I've been watching a bit of the new NFL network morning show, and the poor broadcasters were having a terrible time. They're trying to talk about the best rivalry in the NFL, and the broadcasters are trying to push Cowboys-Giants, Jets-Patriots and Saints-Falcons, but the three analysts weren't having any of that. Somebody actually said 'Ravens-Steelers is the only rivalry in the NFL that matters'. It's like somebody forget to tell them to turn the hype machine on for the trendy teams.
LOL WUT
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Hey...Roger Goodell sent me an email!
QuoteTo NFL Fans:
Like you, we are ready to get "Back to Football." And like you, we want to help ensure that young athletes participating in sports this fall are playing safely.
The health and safety of players at all levels of the game is our first priority. Among our most important initiatives is helping athletes and their coaches know the signs and symptoms of concussion; and what to do if they suspect an athlete has a head injury. Through the leadership of our NFL Head, Neck and Spine Committee and partnerships with organizations like the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), we are finding new ways to protect players, adapt to scientific discoveries, and promote a culture of safety.
We applaud USA Football, the sport's national governing body and the expert in player development and coaching education, on the launch this week of its Heads Up Football program, a health and safety resource for parents, coaches and players.
As part of Heads Up Football, you can learn about the importance of properly fitted equipment, prevention and treatment of concussions from the CDC, youth football rules, and the basics of proper "Heads Up Tackling." To learn more, visit usafootball.com.
We are committed to the safety of young athletes, no matter what sport they play. This off-season, we announced our role in a multi-partner youth football helmet replacement program for underserved communities. The initiative will replace helmets that are 10 years old or older with new helmets at no cost to beneficiary leagues. With our partners in this campaign, including the NFL Players Association, we committed a combined total of approximately $1 million to the program, which will provide thousands of new helmets to youth football players in low-income communities.
With the support of the NFL, youth concussion laws have been passed so far in 39 states and the District of Columbia, protecting young athletes from returning to play too soon. We will continue our advocacy for this law in the remaining states.
To learn more about our health and safety work for athletes of the past, present and future, visit nfl.com/evolution and look out for two televised messages that will debut this season. We join with you in celebrating the return of the game we all love. Here's to a safe and exciting season.
Roger Goodell
I didn't get one <_<
The Texans resigned their LT (Duane Brown). 6 years, $53.4m, $22.08m guaranteed. :)
Weighing options for which Bengals game(s) I'll travel out to. I'll be doing it on my own dime, so that's a factor.
Looking at Baltimore (longshot since the wife has crap planned for my birthday that weekend), Washington, Philly, or Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh is the only driveable option for me-- the difference for the other three between gas/wear & tear on the car and airfare is negligible.
Gradkowski showing some wheels tonight!
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 16, 2012, 09:02:41 PM
Gradkowski showing some wheels tonight!
Looking forward to seeing Gino play tomorrow.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 16, 2012, 09:02:41 PM
Gradkowski showing some wheels tonight!
See, he's the kind of backup QB that every team in the league should want. He's a guy that has real skills and is a real competitor, but who he's not going to take over games consistently the way a #1 QB should. I was always on his bandwagon, all the way back to when he was filling in for Chris Simm's ravaged spleen.
Bengals looked pretty good tonight. They need to drop their last 2 preseason games, because if they go 4-0 or even 3-1 the yokels will start talking Super Bowl, and this team needs some development before any such talk.
Quote from: derspiess on August 16, 2012, 10:34:57 PM
Bengals looked pretty good tonight.
Bengals RBs need to worry about holding on to that football.
Julius Jones is a beast, but we knew that already. That fucker's gonna break some records by the time he's done.
Bruuuuuuuuuuce! Gotta love Gradkowski. :thumbsup:
Why are the Jaguars messing around with Jones-Drew? There's only one good thing on your team. Sure, he's a running back and they have a shelf life, but what are you going to do?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 16, 2012, 10:54:09 PM
Quote from: derspiess on August 16, 2012, 10:34:57 PM
Bengals looked pretty good tonight.
Bengals RBs need to worry about holding on to that football.
Julius Jones is a beast, but we knew that already. That fucker's gonna break some records by the time he's done.
Brian Leonard will not do that again. He has only fumbled once before in his career. I forget who had the other one. Anyway, having Cedric Benson off the team should automatically cut down on the number of fumbles this year. Fucker had 5 fumbles between weeks 15 & 16 last year.
Shit, Bengals cut Jordan Shipley. I knew he didn't look as great at camp as he did prior to his injury, but I assumed he just needed some time to get back. Maybe the damage is permanent :mellow:
Jacobi Jones and his hands of stone...
Quote from: Neil on August 17, 2012, 07:21:48 PM
Jacobi Jones and his hands of stone...
All feet, no hands.
Megatron got a bit of Ray Ray love, though
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 17, 2012, 07:54:09 PM
Quote from: Neil on August 17, 2012, 07:21:48 PM
Jacobi Jones and his hands of stone...
All feet, no hands.
Megatron got a bit of Ray Ray love, though
Yeah, all in good fun. Of course, Megatron just burned past Cary Williams.
Flacco should be mad about drops.
I :wub: Stafford.
Well, it's Megatron. Whaddya gonna do.
Calvin Johnson really should be double-teamed.
Kindle injured. Dude is snakebit.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 17, 2012, 09:17:04 PM
Kindle injured. Dude is snakebit.
Meh, looks like he caught a shoulder stinger.
Cal Poly State up in this motherfucker.
Whelp, there goes that.
For fuck's sake, enough with the Kordell Stewart-Anthony Wright-Troy Smith bullshit and just give the fucking back up job to Painter already.
Seedy hates black people :(
Quote from: katmai on August 17, 2012, 09:24:31 PM
Seedy hates black people :(
Nonsense. Loved Warren Moon. Prettiest spiral in the history of the NFL.
Can't stand Vicktards. All wheels, no arm. One trick ponies.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 17, 2012, 09:25:53 PM
Can't stand Vicktards. All wheels, no arm. One trick ponies.
Vick has a rocket launcher attached to the left side of his body. It just fires the unguided kind.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 17, 2012, 09:17:04 PM
Kindle injured. Dude is snakebit.
I saw him getting helped off. Is he really injured, or just shook up?
Quote from: Neil on August 17, 2012, 10:11:29 PM
I saw him getting helped off. Is he really injured, or just shook up?
Looked like he got his shoulder thumped by his teammate's leg on the way down; he didn't land on it, so I was thinking a stinger.
I hope for his sake he stays healthy; they need that speed on the corner, what with Suggs gone.
Tell you what, Omar Brown is gonna win a job on this team, lol
My god, those scab refs are so bad that even the commentators, who spent the first half fellating them, can't excuse them in the second half.
Goodell, pay the refs. Now.
Or, fuckit, call up Berkut. At least I can yell at him personally.
Quote from: Neil on August 17, 2012, 10:11:29 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 17, 2012, 09:17:04 PM
Kindle injured. Dude is snakebit.
I saw him getting helped off. Is he really injured, or just shook up?
Post-game coverage confirmed a shoulder stinger.
Quote from: ulmont on August 17, 2012, 10:50:16 PM
My god, those scab refs are so bad that even the commentators, who spent the first half fellating them, can't excuse them in the second half.
Goodell, pay the refs. Now.
Or, fuckit, call up Berkut. At least I can yell at him personally.
I loved their work in the Cowgirls-Raiders game. The only time in history my dad and I commented on our love of the refs' calls. :lol:
My $100 RL fantasy league draft is in 6 hours and I haven't read one article or looked at one cheat sheet for this season.
I do get to keep Ray Rice again though, that should help.
E: 9ers second round pick LaMichael James just wrecked his knee, it looks like.
Sorry, bro: hit Modify instead of quote. I aborted your post. Ooops. Not enough coffee this AM.--CdM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 18, 2012, 09:33:04 PM
E: 9ers second round pick LaMichael James just wrecked his knee, it looks like.
He wasn't the only one.
QuoteHOUSTON -- San Francisco 49ers running back Brandon Jacobs injured his left knee in the first quarter of Saturday night's game against the Houston Texans.
Jacobs was injured when he was hit by Kareem Jackson at the end of an 8-yard run late in the first quarter. Jacobs remained on the turf for several minutes while trainers talked with him. He was helped to his feet and hopped off the field on his right leg before being placed on a cart and taken to the locker room.
Jacobs had X-rays, which were negative on the knee. He will undergo an MRI on Sunday, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.
It's so painful to watch the Raiders trot out Carson Palmer as their starter. Guy is terrible these days. I really wish they'd just accept the price they paid last year as a sunk cost and move on. <_<
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 18, 2012, 09:33:04 PM
E: 9ers second round pick LaMichael James just wrecked his knee, it looks like.
Sorry, bro: hit Modify instead of quote. I aborted your post. Ooops. Not enough coffee this AM.--CdM
:lol: I've done that on another board. Hit edit instead of quote on his post and just started merrily typing away.
Ugh. Pre-season Stillers.
My wife's opinion of Luck: "Ugly mushmouthed Neckbeard. Bring back Peyton"
Quote from: derspiess on August 17, 2012, 02:31:00 PM
Shit, Bengals cut Jordan Shipley. I knew he didn't look as great at camp as he did prior to his injury, but I assumed he just needed some time to get back. Maybe the damage is permanent :mellow:
He has had serious knee injuries throughout his career. THere was a reason he was at Texas for six years.
I don't think he is done but I do think perhaps his knee had not recovered to the point it was worth the Bengals holding a roster spot for him.
Congrats to Larry Foote on headshotting Austin Collie. Stay classy Shitsburgh.
Quote from: Valmy on August 19, 2012, 08:12:35 PM
I don't think he is done but I do think perhaps his knee had not recovered to the point it was worth the Bengals holding a roster spot for him.
Shipley to Tampa, according to Schefter.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 20, 2012, 09:11:29 AM
Congrats to Larry Foote on headshotting Austin Collie. Stay classy Shitsburgh.
To be fair, it was a knee to the head. The helmet-to-helmet hit on that play was delivered by Foote to his teammate.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 20, 2012, 03:22:46 PM
Shipley to Tampa, according to Schefter.
Yeah I saw that. Off waivers to. Good for Jordan.
Vick injured.
The bad: no Brady for Kurt Coleman to headshot.
Ugh, Robert Kraft perving on Olympic gymnast. :yuk:
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 20, 2012, 08:31:57 PM
Ugh, Robert Kraft perving on Olympic gymnast. :yuk:
Why not; I would.
LOL, fair catch that shit next time, dummy.
Nick's looking pretty good; shame for Berkut he plays for the Iggles. Bet he's jizzing in his Jaworski jammies tonight.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 20, 2012, 08:34:57 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 20, 2012, 08:31:57 PM
Ugh, Robert Kraft perving on Olympic gymnast. :yuk:
Why not; I would.
I was sorta hoping he'd creep on the judo girl. She have flashbacks from the sexual abuse and snap his neck.
Woops, missed the LFFL draft.
I think I did ok though. Not that great, but not absolutely terrible.
Andrew Luck
(Ind - QB)
Steve Smith
(Car - WR)
Mike Williams
(TB - WR)
Malcom Floyd
(SD - WR)
Arian Foster
(Hou - RB)
Fred Jackson
(Buf - RB)
Fred Davis
(Was - TE)
Roy Helu
(Was - RB)
Tim Hightower
(Was - RB)
Brandon Jacobs
(SF - RB)
Jerome Simpson
(Min - WR)
Tim Tebow
(NYJ - QB)
Todd Heap
(Ari - TE)
K
Matt Bryant
(Atl - K)
DEF
Green Bay
San Diego
There is a goddamn thread for your fantasy shit.
Ravens are shitbirding all over Jacksonville tonight.
Although Emanuel Cook had an ugly, ugly leg injury. Like they need less safeties as it is.
Cart + Soft Cast = Who's available on waivers?
And of course, Tyrod Taylor will run for a beauty TD, and then promptly toss a Pick Six the other way.
Fucking Vicktard.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 23, 2012, 09:02:20 PM
Although Emanuel Cook had an ugly, ugly leg injury. Like they need less safeties as it is.
Cart + Soft Cast = Who's available on waivers?
Speaking of ugly leg injuries, did you catch Mariani's snapping like a twig? :yuk:
I liked Leach's touchdown. First of all, Flacco did a good job of rolling out to avoid pressure, but by far the best part of it was when he had caught the ball and sidestepped the defender. He was looking to knock that linebacker the fuck out, but Pozlusky wouldn't step up.
Great game by Flacco, too. Even the pick didn't really matter, since it was a Hail Mary. The only problem is that there's no receiver in the league fast enough to run under Flacco's monster arm.
Quote from: Neil on August 24, 2012, 08:30:53 AM
Great game by Flacco, too. Even the pick didn't really matter, since it was a Hail Mary. The only problem is that there's no receiver in the league fast enough to run under Flacco's monster arm.
They're going to need him. The way the defense has suffered from injuries and free agent losses, the pressure will be on the offense to score points.
They want to make it back to the AFC Championship game, they're going to have to hang 30+ points a game on people.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 24, 2012, 01:14:29 PM
Quote from: Neil on August 24, 2012, 08:30:53 AM
Great game by Flacco, too. Even the pick didn't really matter, since it was a Hail Mary. The only problem is that there's no receiver in the league fast enough to run under Flacco's monster arm.
They're going to need him. The way the defense has suffered from injuries and free agent losses, the pressure will be on the offense to score points.
They want to make it back to the AFC Championship game, they're going to have to hang 30+ points a game on people.
Losing both Suggs and JJ was huge, but we haven't seen the full scheme yet, what with the vanilla, low-blitz preseason mode. If the Ravens are giving up 28 points to all comers in the regular season, I will be absolutely shocked.
I correctly called both of Aaron Rodgers TD runs last night. Hell of a guy to watch.
Hey Neil--they waived Billy Cundiff.
In Justin Tucker We Trust.
Pros: Has a leg like a fucking Krupps gun.
Cons: Rookie. Rookie. Rookie. Undrafted rookie. Free Agent Rookie.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 26, 2012, 05:55:39 PM
In Justin Tucker We Trust.
That worked out for the Horns.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpmRynHmloA&feature=related
Foles is really starting out great, and I do think he has a real future in the NFL. He is one of those "intangibles" guys who just performs in game situations.
But he is still a rookie, and the best thing for him is at least a year or two backing up someone else. I don't think it is going to do him much good to get thrown into a starting role as a rookie.
Don't get me wrong, I've been 100% impressed with him all through camp and the preseason games. Kid's got a leg.
Just that rookies at that position make me...nervous.
Quote from: Berkut on August 26, 2012, 06:01:29 PM
Foles is really starting out great, and I do think he has a real future in the NFL. He is one of those "intangibles" guys who just performs in game situations.
But he is still a rookie, and the best thing for him is at least a year or two backing up someone else. I don't think it is going to do him much good to get thrown into a starting role as a rookie.
Well, even though it was preseason the Patriots were still throwing everything at Foles they could, and he looked awesome.
And anyway, playing behind Vick he's guaranteed to start at least one whole month or more this season. I don't think he'll have a problem considering the kind of talent he's surrounded with on that offense to help carry the load when he spot-starts.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 26, 2012, 06:05:14 PM
Don't get me wrong, I've been 100% impressed with him all through camp and the preseason games. Kid's got a leg.
Just that rookies at that position make me...nervous.
All kickers make me nervous. They're weird. One game they're making everything from all over the field, then they miss one in practice or something and it fucks their strange kicker brains up and they start missing PATs.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 26, 2012, 05:55:39 PM
Hey Neil--they waived Billy Cundiff.
In Justin Tucker We Trust.
Pros: Has a leg like a fucking Krupps gun.
Cons: Rookie. Rookie. Rookie. Undrafted rookie. Free Agent Rookie.
Yeah, I was waiting for the hammer to drop on Cundiff since Tucker was doing all the kicking last game. Actually, I guess I've been waiting for the hammer to fall since The Kick. Even Tucker bombing a kick into Flacco's wife's head couldn't stop it. The goats of the Patriots game must be purged.
We'll see how the rookieness works out. He was really nailing kickoffs the other night, which was the one aspect of Cundiff's game I was most impressed by.
Well, looks like you can subtract one knee from the Jets roster on that play.
Russell Wilson is your week 1 starting QB for the Seattle Seahawks.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 26, 2012, 06:13:49 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 26, 2012, 06:05:14 PM
Don't get me wrong, I've been 100% impressed with him all through camp and the preseason games. Kid's got a leg.
Just that rookies at that position make me...nervous.
All kickers make me nervous. They're weird. One game they're making everything from all over the field, then they miss one in practice or something and it fucks their strange kicker brains up and they start missing PATs.
They will all vehmently deny having any superstitions, even though you know they have all sorts of routines & whatnot they won't tell anyone about.
Anyway, I finally logged in & cut Cundiff from my LFFL team. I think this would have been my 3rd or 4th straight year having him on my team. So long, Billy :(
Quote from: derspiess on August 27, 2012, 09:33:03 AM
They will all vehmently deny having any superstitions, even though you know they have all sorts of routines & whatnot they won't tell anyone about.
Oh, I bet they're the squirreliest nuts in the tree. :lol:
The biggest nut? Chris Kluwe, the Vikings punter.
https://twitter.com/ChrisWarcraft
http://deadspin.com/5823788/chris-kluwe-responds-can-i-kick-it-yes-i-can
He's right tho.
Seahawks dropped Terrell Owens.
Goodnight, sweet prince.
Haha I just got this
QuoteAlbert Breer @AlbertBreer
Kansas City names Brady Quinn club's No. 2 QB, ahead of Matt Cassel. I'm sure lots of Chiefs fans are devastated.
and was just doing this: :blink: until the correction came through:
QuoteAlbert Breer @AlbertBreer
Whoa was that a bad typo ... Meant Brady Quinn's No. 2 ahead of fan favorite Ricky Stanzi. Matt Cassel remains starter.
Saints are set to practice tomorrow & Wednesday at: Paul Brown Stadium :huh:
I might run over & check it out for the sheer weirdness of it if I can get in. I can see the field from my window at work, though, so I guess I could just bring binoculars.
Marvin Lewis was trying to put together a brief non-contact session with them but it didn't pan out.
Quote from: derspiess on August 27, 2012, 04:16:16 PM
Saints are set to practice tomorrow & Wednesday at: Paul Brown Stadium :huh:
I might run over & check it out for the sheer weirdness of it if I can get in. I can see the field from my window at work, though, so I guess I could just bring binoculars.
Yeah, they flew out tonight. I guess the Bengals are on the road? And Isaac is kind of a motherfucker, so they had to practice somewhere...
Quote from: ulmont on August 27, 2012, 08:57:21 PM
Quote from: derspiess on August 27, 2012, 04:16:16 PM
Saints are set to practice tomorrow & Wednesday at: Paul Brown Stadium :huh:
I might run over & check it out for the sheer weirdness of it if I can get in. I can see the field from my window at work, though, so I guess I could just bring binoculars.
Yeah, they flew out tonight. I guess the Bengals are on the road? And Isaac is kind of a motherfucker, so they had to practice somewhere...
Bengals play at Indy, but that's a close enough trip to do on game day. So they'll be sharing facilities with the Saints thru Wednesday.
Quote from: derspiess on August 27, 2012, 09:32:24 PM
Bengals play at Indy, but that's a close enough trip to do on game day. So they'll be sharing facilities with the Saints thru Wednesday.
Frankly, I'd think for a preseason game you could do a joint practice ala the Patriots and just head to Nashville, but who knows. Certainly the Bengals knowing certain Saints tendencies is unlikely to fuck anything up.
Quote from: ulmont on August 27, 2012, 11:40:28 PM
Certainly the Bengals knowing certain Saints tendencies is unlikely to fuck anything up.
At this stage in the preseason, I'm not sure the problem is as much as learning another team's tendencies as it is seeing another teams' players up close that might get waived at final cut.
If I had some serious bubble players I'd need to cut and then sneak past waivers to resign to the practice squad, I wouldn't want another team to see them up close in an inter-team scrimmage, either. Not during the last week. I think that's where Marvin Lewis may be coming from.
Billy Cundiff lands on his feet on the other end of the traffic jam and signs with the Redskins.
Probably a good decision.
Graham Gano got outkicked by Hauschka.
Vince Young coming to the Als?
Should I be happy?
Quote from: Grey Fox on August 29, 2012, 07:37:38 AM
Vince Young coming to the Als?
Should I be happy?
Well, that's probably a good place for him. Canadian gun laws will help prevent his stupid ass from trying to shoot himself every time he loses a game. QBs that can run are rewarded in the CFL. The only question is whether he can actually pass. Also the Als offence is going to have to get simpler, due to VY's stupidity.
So, now that Tucker's missed his first field goal, are all the people who said that the Ravens made a mistake by cutting Cundiff running their mouths? Because Cundiff would be money from 57 yards. right?
Quote from: Neil on August 31, 2012, 01:18:35 PM
So, now that Tucker's missed his first field goal, are all the people who said that the Ravens made a mistake by cutting Cundiff running their mouths? Because Cundiff would be money from 57 yards. right?
He was always solid points for my fantasy team. Was surprised when he got cut.
Quote from: Neil on August 31, 2012, 01:18:35 PM
So, now that Tucker's missed his first field goal, are all the people who said that the Ravens made a mistake by cutting Cundiff running their mouths? Because Cundiff would be money from 57 yards. right?
Haven't heard much on talk radio today about it. Fantards are panicking over more important problems: Tyrod Taylor, the offensive line, back ups to Ray Rice that have looked less than impressive, the defensive secondary, and a long, long year ahead of them without a pass rush.
Kicker is the last concern.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 31, 2012, 01:26:46 PM
Haven't heard much on talk radio today about it. Fantards are panicking over more important problems: Tyrod Taylor, the offensive line, back ups to Ray Rice that have looked less than impressive, the defensive secondary, and a long, long year ahead of them without a pass rush.
Kicker is the last concern.
All they need to do for reassurance is to look around the division. Bungles and Steelers also have some big gaps. The Ravens may not repeat last year's record, but I can easily see them winning the division again.
Our yokel fantards are too focused on the Reds to say much about the Bengals, and that's fine with me.
Tyrod Taylor? Is there something specific, or is it just more Baltimore 'black QB should start' nonsense?
Quote from: derspiess on August 31, 2012, 01:31:24 PM
Our yokel fantards are too focused on the Reds to say much about the Bengals, and that's fine with me.
:lol: Total opposite here. Orioles are in playoff contention for the first time since fucking Clinton, and everybody's in Purple mode.
Then again, it's pretty understandable: this has always been a football town anyway, despite the great Orioles teams of the past...but right now, nobody under the age of 21 remembers a winning Orioles season.
Quote from: Neil on August 31, 2012, 01:33:59 PM
Tyrod Taylor? Is there something specific, or is it just more Baltimore 'black QB should start' nonsense?
Total opposite: all legs, can't throw, Flacco Insurance panic mode. Then again, it's not like Curtis Painter has done anything to deserve the Ravens carrying 3 QBs, either.
Quote from: Neil on August 31, 2012, 01:33:59 PM
Tyrod Taylor? Is there something specific, or is it just more Baltimore 'black QB should start' nonsense?
He put up some great numbers in college, but tended to choke when the game depended on him. Surely nobody wants him over Flacco.
Quote from: derspiess on August 31, 2012, 01:38:11 PM
Quote from: Neil on August 31, 2012, 01:33:59 PM
Tyrod Taylor? Is there something specific, or is it just more Baltimore 'black QB should start' nonsense?
He put up some great numbers in college, but tended to choke when the game depended on him. Surely nobody wants him over Flacco.
Troy Smith was pretty popular before they shipped him out.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 31, 2012, 01:37:46 PM
Quote from: Neil on August 31, 2012, 01:33:59 PM
Tyrod Taylor? Is there something specific, or is it just more Baltimore 'black QB should start' nonsense?
Total opposite: all legs, can't throw, Flacco Insurance panic mode. Then again, it's not like Curtis Painter has done anything to deserve the Ravens carrying 3 QBs, either.
I kinda like Painter. He had some flashes of brilliance last year, but yeah-- if they had a solid receiver or back who would be a decent emergency #3, they ought to go with 2 QBs.
I prefer Painter, especially with his relationship with Caldwell, but he's been out there killing worms. At least Taylor can run to save his life, and has an extra year under his belt.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 31, 2012, 01:37:46 PM
Quote from: Neil on August 31, 2012, 01:33:59 PM
Tyrod Taylor? Is there something specific, or is it just more Baltimore 'black QB should start' nonsense?
Total opposite: all legs, can't throw, Flacco Insurance panic mode. Then again, it's not like Curtis Painter has done anything to deserve the Ravens carrying 3 QBs, either.
If Flacco goes down, the Ravens are fucked no matter what. Neither Taylor nor Painter is going to win them some games, and Rice won't help much when they put 8 in the box on every play. Taylor just keeps doing the Mike Vick thing, tantalizing us with his potential, but not quite putting it together. As for Painter, everybody's seen what he can do. If he's throwing 3 picks against guys who are going to be out of a job in a couple of hours, he's probably not the guy.
Vikes cut the Rosencopter. Shameful.
You would think a QB with those aerial abilities would be coveted in the NFL.
Oh and in "fuuuuuuuuuck" news: The Texans RT replacement for Winston, Rashad Butler, tore his triceps and is done for the season.
E: Oh Beck is QB3 now somehow.
You know, if the Texans could just manage to avoid having critical players get crippled, they'd be at the Superbowl.
Crap, Boom Herron didn't make the Bungles.
FYI, if you've never seen it before, ESPN Films is showing "Third And A Mile" on ESPN Classic, an excellent documentary on the history of blacks at the quarterback position in the NFL, ugly and all.
It's weird how black QBs seem to have trouble playing at a high level for a long period of time, except for Donovan McNabb.
Quote from: Neil on September 02, 2012, 11:32:20 AM
It's weird how black QBs seem to have trouble playing at a high level for a long period of time, except for Donovan McNabb.
Warren Moon and Doug Williams didn't seem to have a problem with it.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 02, 2012, 11:51:02 AM
Quote from: Neil on September 02, 2012, 11:32:20 AM
It's weird how black QBs seem to have trouble playing at a high level for a long period of time, except for Donovan McNabb.
Warren Moon and Doug Williams didn't seem to have a problem with it.
Doug Williams was marred by his USFL stint and had a few great seasons but a lot of pretty mediocre ones, but I'll give you Warren Moon.
Quote from: Neil on September 02, 2012, 12:15:06 PM
Doug Williams was marred by his USFL stint and had a few great seasons but a lot of pretty mediocre ones, but I'll give you Warren Moon.
Doug Williams won two divisional titles for them and took them to 3 playoff appearances, including the NFC Championship game, before he ever put on a USFL uniform. Neilfail.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 02, 2012, 04:01:00 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 02, 2012, 12:15:06 PM
Doug Williams was marred by his USFL stint and had a few great seasons but a lot of pretty mediocre ones, but I'll give you Warren Moon.
Doug Williams won two divisional titles for them and took them to 3 playoff appearances, including the NFC Championship game, before he ever put on a USFL uniform. Neilfail.
He threw more interceptions than touchdowns for 4 of his 8 NFL seasons, and had a career completion percentage of under 50%. When he was good, he was great, but he had his struggles.
Typical racism from CdM.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 02, 2012, 04:01:00 PM
Doug Williams won two divisional titles for them and took them to 3 playoff appearances, including the NFC Championship game, before he ever put on a USFL uniform. Neilfail.
The last 3 years the eagles have lost their home opener and the team that beat them won the super bowl. The eagles' home opener this year is against the ravens.
All you Longhorntards will be happy to know that the Ravens are going to squeeze something out of Sergio Kindle, come hell or high water. This is his last chance.