I think that we should keep everything about Warhammer, 40k, Warmaster Ancients etc etc in the same thread. It's not like it will overload.
I couldn't decide what I wanted to paint so I took a look in the old closet to see what unpainted minis I have lying around. I decided to paint more of my The Assault Group modern minis. I painted some US soldiers and AQ/Taliban dudes a few years ago, now the turn has come to my African soldiers. I have this loose image in my head of a campaign in a fictional African state with different groups fighting for their different goals. You'd have Western peacemakers, AQ nutjobs, the "legitimate" government, various militias... Probably won't materialize but I prefer to have a mental framework for my painting. :)
So here's my first African soldiers. NB that I haven't yet decided how I will base them so they are unbased (duh) and their boots aren't done. I really like TAG minis, they look nice and have the right amount of detail. Paint up real nice and quick. Not like the often too busy GW models. I have kept things simple paintingwise, if they look OK they look good enough to me.
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I've pretty much decided to produce the Legacy of Glory 2 miniatures rules this summer. Napoleonics miniatures players are in for a treat. :frog:
I've had the week to myself and I thought I'd do some painting. Then I realized half my paints have dried up and I don't have anywhere with a decent enough light source in my home. Now I need to pick up a table lamp of some sort. <_<
Quote from: The Brain on April 07, 2009, 02:14:17 PM
I think that we should keep everything about Warhammer, 40k, Warmaster Ancients etc etc in the same thread. It's not like it will overload.
I couldn't decide what I wanted to paint so I took a look in the old closet to see what unpainted minis I have lying around. I decided to paint more of my The Assault Group modern minis. I painted some US soldiers and AQ/Taliban dudes a few years ago, now the turn has come to my African soldiers. I have this loose image in my head of a campaign in a fictional African state with different groups fighting for their different goals. You'd have Western peacemakers, AQ nutjobs, the "legitimate" government, various militias... Probably won't materialize but I prefer to have a mental framework for my painting. :)
So here's my first African soldiers. NB that I haven't yet decided how I will base them so they are unbased (duh) and their boots aren't done. I really like TAG minis, they look nice and have the right amount of detail. Paint up real nice and quick. Not like the often too busy GW models. I have kept things simple paintingwise, if they look OK they look good enough to me.
What ruleset are you thinking of using?
I've begun painting and playing Flames of War, 15mm is a helluva lot harder to paint then 28mm of GW. But also quite a lot of fun, the rules are very simple while at the same time hard to master. :cool:
Quote from: grumbler on April 07, 2009, 09:11:00 PM
I've pretty much decided to produce the Legacy of Glory 2 miniatures rules this summer. Napoleonics miniatures players are in for a treat. :frog:
Good. Customers are waiting, dammit.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 08, 2009, 06:35:07 PM
Quote from: grumbler on April 07, 2009, 09:11:00 PM
I've pretty much decided to produce the Legacy of Glory 2 miniatures rules this summer. Napoleonics miniatures players are in for a treat. :frog:
Good. Customers are waiting, dammit.
Gonna buy and then put on shelf to collect dust?
Quote from: katmai on April 08, 2009, 06:37:30 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 08, 2009, 06:35:07 PM
Quote from: grumbler on April 07, 2009, 09:11:00 PM
I've pretty much decided to produce the Legacy of Glory 2 miniatures rules this summer. Napoleonics miniatures players are in for a treat. :frog:
Good. Customers are waiting, dammit.
Gonna buy and then put on shelf to collect dust?
IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT THE CUSTOMER DOES WITH IT WHEN HE PURCHASES IT
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Man, that die is frigging huge!
Quote from: The Brain on April 07, 2009, 02:14:17 PMnow the turn has come to my African soldiers. I have this loose image in my head of a campaign in a fictional African state with different groups fighting for their different goals.
I hereby commission you to paint a Jonas Zavimbi.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 08, 2009, 06:35:07 PM
Good. Customers are waiting, dammit.
You are gonna love it. The historical commentary, diagrams, pictures, and whatnot are deliberately designed to appeal to napoleonics gamers who just buy the rules to read them. It helps to be able to use the stuff from our books (which, BTW, are now showcased on our new website at www.militaryhistorypress.com (http://www.militaryhistorypress.com).
As a side bonus, it plays very well indeed. I will have to get you down here for a weekend game, as soon as we get the rest of the 10mm figures back from the painter in Sri Lanka. The game plays better and faster than when you were down here last time.
We may even have to make a Languish meet out of the thing.
Quote from: katmai on April 08, 2009, 06:37:30 PM
Gonna buy and then put on shelf to collect dust?
About 75% of wargames rules are sold to people who never play them. I aim to make that 90% in this rules set. :D
Quote from: Jacob on April 08, 2009, 01:36:05 PM
Quote from: The Brain on April 07, 2009, 02:14:17 PM
I think that we should keep everything about Warhammer, 40k, Warmaster Ancients etc etc in the same thread. It's not like it will overload.
I couldn't decide what I wanted to paint so I took a look in the old closet to see what unpainted minis I have lying around. I decided to paint more of my The Assault Group modern minis. I painted some US soldiers and AQ/Taliban dudes a few years ago, now the turn has come to my African soldiers. I have this loose image in my head of a campaign in a fictional African state with different groups fighting for their different goals. You'd have Western peacemakers, AQ nutjobs, the "legitimate" government, various militias... Probably won't materialize but I prefer to have a mental framework for my painting. :)
So here's my first African soldiers. NB that I haven't yet decided how I will base them so they are unbased (duh) and their boots aren't done. I really like TAG minis, they look nice and have the right amount of detail. Paint up real nice and quick. Not like the often too busy GW models. I have kept things simple paintingwise, if they look OK they look good enough to me.
What ruleset are you thinking of using?
I don't know. If it ever happens it will probably be homemade rules for the campaign and for the tactical part The Face of Modern Battle, maybe a variation of 2 Hour Wargames' FNG, or one of the free rulesets I've gotten off the web (Twentieth Century, Dogs of War, 5.56mm, The Book And The Gun...).
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 08, 2009, 08:04:36 PM
Quote from: The Brain on April 07, 2009, 02:14:17 PMnow the turn has come to my African soldiers. I have this loose image in my head of a campaign in a fictional African state with different groups fighting for their different goals.
I hereby commission you to paint a Jonas Zavimbi.
In the meantime maybe you recognize the jolly fellow on the left? :hug:
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Your first Marine looks like Siegy
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 09, 2009, 09:56:11 AM
Your first Marine looks like Siegy
Second from left looks like
Dirty Ali- The question is "do you feel lucky infidel?"
Kevin
Quote from: Ape on April 08, 2009, 06:11:33 PM
I've begun painting and playing Flames of War, 15mm is a helluva lot harder to paint then 28mm of GW. But also quite a lot of fun, the rules are very simple while at the same time hard to master. :cool:
Pics?
Quote from: Neil on April 08, 2009, 07:54:19 PM
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Sweet!
Quote from: grumbler on April 08, 2009, 09:12:06 PM
As a side bonus, it plays very well indeed. I will have to get you down here for a weekend game, as soon as we get the rest of the 10mm figures back from the painter in Sri Lanka. The game plays better and faster than when you were down here last time.
We may even have to make a Languish meet out of the thing.
Keep me posted on this :)
What manufacturer are you using?
And... actually... tell me more about the professional miniature painting service as well, if you don't mind.
Quote from: grumbler on April 08, 2009, 09:14:41 PM
About 75% of wargames rules are sold to people who never play them. I aim to make that 90% in this rules set. :D
That pretty much describes me. Although my oldest boy has been rummaging around my collection of stuff and actually wants to play some things. :yeah:
I think any figure representing Seigy should get an extra die to hit. however, he is vulnerable to taunts, so a special taunt attack will render him combat ineffective for 1d6 rounds.
and a Coors Lite IED = 2d6 rounds
Quote from: Jacob on April 09, 2009, 01:04:08 PM
What manufacturer are you using?
And... actually... tell me more about the professional miniature painting service as well, if you don't mind.
We are using Old Glory 10s at the moment, but want some more Allied guys, and are looking around.
The painting service is something arranged through Russ at Old Glory, so I will have to ask him about some of the details. They look good, though.
Quote from: grumbler on April 08, 2009, 09:14:41 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 08, 2009, 06:37:30 PM
Gonna buy and then put on shelf to collect dust?
About 75% of wargames rules are sold to people who never play them. I aim to make that 90% in this rules set. :D
Sounds tempting. PReorder.
Quote from: grumbler on April 08, 2009, 09:12:06 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 08, 2009, 06:35:07 PM
Good. Customers are waiting, dammit.
You are gonna love it. The historical commentary, diagrams, pictures, and whatnot are deliberately designed to appeal to napoleonics gamers who just buy the rules to read them. It helps to be able to use the stuff from our books (which, BTW, are now showcased on our new website at www.militaryhistorypress.com (http://www.militaryhistorypress.com).
As a side bonus, it plays very well indeed. I will have to get you down here for a weekend game, as soon as we get the rest of the 10mm figures back from the painter in Sri Lanka. The game plays better and faster than when you were down here last time.
We may even have to make a Languish meet out of the thing.
What can you tell me about how the rules work/the design philosophy behind them?
Quote from: The Brain on April 10, 2009, 03:51:33 AM
What can you tell me about how the rules work/the design philosophy behind them?
The rules are "perspective-based" meaning that you play just one role, generally that of a corps commander (though you can play a division commander in a different corps, just to move the game along, and army commanders will usually play a division commander as well). This means that you have very limited control over units below you in the chain of command. You can issue orders, but divisions move according to both orders and the national doctrine. You cannot move individual battalions, per se; they move with the division, maintaining facing and relative position. Artillery deploys automatically and fires against the enemy formations that comprise the divisional target, not against units (you cannot target the enemy's elite formations, for instance; your gunners fire at the whole enemy front).
In essence, the game's heuristics determine the actions of subordinate units, though you may decide, as a commander, to "ride into the smoke" and take direct command of subordinate divisions, brigades, or even regiments/battalions. Naturally, your ability to affect things in your own command disappear when you get involved in the nitty-gritty, but sometimes an inspirational leader can really make a difference at the battalion level, and turn the tide of a battle. Of course, you are likelier to get killed this way!
The rules set uses a fair number of charts and tables to get this effect - far more than usual for Napoleonics rules. The result is a rules set that is more complex than usual, but because you don't waste time with "fiddly" decisions it actually plays faster than real time. You don't get to fire artillery until the enemy wavers, for instance, and then charge with your infantry. In fact, you don't know how well your artillery has done until you charge (artillery fire is simply noted until it becomes necessary to know its effect, and then is rolled off all at once for the attacking and defending divisions). the result is both more realistic and much faster.
There is a yahoo group, http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/LoG1805/ (http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/LoG1805/) for those interested in the rules. Send me a PM when you want to join, as we have a "no spam" policy and so limit membership to approved applicants.
Sounds cool. :)
I am now painting the rest of my West/Central Africa style soldiers, all 22 of them. After that I will paint my Somali militia (20) and my white mercenaries (8).
Quote from: The Brain on April 11, 2009, 10:07:28 AMand my white mercenaries (8).
Name one after me. I would be honored as fuck all for that.
Quote from: The Brain on April 09, 2009, 11:09:09 AM
Pics?
Not yet, might be some in the future if you're a good boy i.e need to borrow a camera :blush:
Quote from: The Brain on April 10, 2009, 03:51:33 AMWhat can you tell me about how the rules work/the design philosophy behind them?
The only thing that can be infuriating is that the theme of national doctrine prevents you from playing your own style, which in my case is Red Army circa 1942, where everybody goes till everything's dead. Damned Prussian discipline.
That sounds very interesting grumbler. How are the units based and how many do you need to field an army?
Quote from: Jacob on April 12, 2009, 07:24:56 PM
That sounds very interesting grumbler. How are the units based and how many do you need to field an army?
Basing is nominally 1:60, resulting in battalions of 8-12 figures and cavalry regiments of 8-12 figures. We use in our games an offline system that makes the number of figures per unit moot, so long as frontages are realistic. Only Napoleon's Battles cavalry mounting won't really work, as the frontages are far, far too small.
To play a decent game, you need at least a corps on each side. Minigames with divisions can work, but a bad wave assessment could end the game after a single turn of combat (25 minutes) and almost no such game will go for more than 2 turns (50 minutes), as almost no actual division could sustain close combat for longer than that. Towns might extend that a bit, and you could rest and recover divisions, but that wouldn't be very interesting.
Finished 22 more African soldiers. Some examples below. Flash photos suck but it's fucking dark up here. At least now I have based them.
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Oh, and if anyone didn't recognize the VIP in the other pic here's a hint:
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Tonight I have been thinking. Shut up. I have been thinking that if I want to paint horse and musket stuff (or really anything pre-modern basically) my best bet is Napoleonics. Because of the amount of rules and possible opponents. While there are many many models available for Napoleonics there's still enough around for other periods so models isn't a problem.
If I can only get into the period. I have never been in love with the period. But love can grow out of a forced marriage I hope.
Can anyone tell me which are the most common rules used (until g's rules take the world by storm), and more importantly which scales and basing systems are most common? And which rules are brilliant but maybe not very popular? Is 1/72 plastics used much for gaming btw?
As for armies I have this strange attraction to Austria. It doesn't feel like it has been done to death in the same way France, Britain, Prussia and Russia have. Sweden would be kinda cool but here you do encounter a model problem.
Should I take the Napoleon plunge?
Quote from: The Brain on April 18, 2009, 05:42:25 PM
Tonight I have been thinking. Shut up. I have been thinking that if I want to paint horse and musket stuff (or really anything pre-modern basically) my best bet is Napoleonics. Because of the amount of rules and possible opponents. While there are many many models available for Napoleonics there's still enough around for other periods so models isn't a problem.
If I can only get into the period. I have never been in love with the period. But love can grow out of a forced marriage I hope.
Can anyone tell me which are the most common rules used (until g's rules take the world by storm), and more importantly which scales and basing systems are most common? And which rules are brilliant but maybe not very popular? Is 1/72 plastics used much for gaming btw?
As for armies I have this strange attraction to Austria. It doesn't feel like it has been done to death in the same way France, Britain, Prussia and Russia have. Sweden would be kinda cool but here you do encounter a model problem.
Should I take the Napoleon plunge?
The best thing about Napoleonics is that there are so many great true stories about the period, and they are documented to death. I, obviously, would not try to dissuade you from the period, because I love it.
The Austrians are an interesting army. The line infantry is boring as shit (white uniforms? come on!) but there are lots of neat specialist units, and some very very good line units that can surprise the shit out of an opponent.
I ran an 1814 campaign that used the Swedes, so I have a sizable Swedish army in 5mm. They are really very attractive troops, and if you can find the Nafziger book on 1814 you will find that it is possible to do a very neat campaign in northern Germany, with Davout's Hamburg garrison linking up with Ouidinot and fighting the Prussians, Swedes, and Russians. Numbers aren't too badly against the French and they have some great divisional commanders.
For rules, I would say
General de Brigade is the place to start. It allows for good games with not many figures. I wouldn't use their basing system, though. Figures should be based 3 per stand (infantry) and 2 per stand (cavalry) in a single rank with frontages of 3/8" for infantry and 3/4 inch for cavalry in 15mm - twice that for 25mm and half that for 10mm.
Plastic figures aren't in much use because the paint tends to flake off, and painting is by far the most expensive part of the project.
I think 10mm is pretty much the ideal scale for Napoleonic figures these days. You can fight a battle with flanks in a reasonable amount of space, and still have the figures be big enough to see and appreciate - and this from someone with 5,000+ 5mm figures!
Thanks, g. I now have a starting point for looking around a bit.
5,000+? Nice.
:nerd: I haven't told anyone this but occasionally I have toyed with the idea of doing a 1:1 battalion or something (probably not Napoleonic, maybe GNW) just for display. Very unlikely to happen though.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 08, 2009, 08:01:09 PM
Man, that die is frigging huge!
LOL was about to post the same thing.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 09, 2009, 01:11:17 PM
Quote from: grumbler on April 08, 2009, 09:14:41 PM
About 75% of wargames rules are sold to people who never play them. I aim to make that 90% in this rules set. :D
That pretty much describes me. Although my oldest boy has been rummaging around my collection of stuff and actually wants to play some things. :yeah:
Ok, now that's the first good reason I have heard to have kids.
I recommend the following book to Wargamers:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Achtung-Schweinehund-Harry-Pearson/dp/0349115680/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1240138311&sr=8-1
Some of you may recognize a bit of yourself in some of the chapters. ;)
I saw Avalon Hill's old Napoleon's Battles in the store today and I bought it on impulse. I remember holding it in my hand 16 years ago and deciding against it since at that time I was looking for boardgames and not miniature games. I don't know if the rules are good or not but the "whole system in a box" thing is pretty cool as a kind of starting point for me to compare other stuff to, and for inspiration. There's even some "terrain". Cool.
I'm guessing that the rules are very old-fashioned compared to newer offerings.
Didn't see any good books on Napoleonic tactics in the bookstores. Can anyone recommend something? In my bookshelf I pretty much only have Adkin's The Waterloo Companion and Weigley's The Age of Battles.
Edit: Oh, and grumbler. Best manufacturers for 10 mm?
I can't tell you which is the best, esp for Napoleonics, but I have some of the Magister Militum 10mm Qin Chinese and they've compared favourably to the other manufacturers I looked at at that scale. They have Napoleonics too. http://www.navigatorminiatures.com/prodtype.asp?PT_ID=815&strPageHistory=cat
I'm guessing grumbler will say Old Glory since that's where he got his, http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/categories.asp?cat=96
If grumbler says 10mm is the way to go then he's probably right, but if you are interested in checking out 6mm I suggest Baccus: https://www.baccus6mm.com/index.php
Baccus is also the home of the Polemos ruleset, though I can't vouch for the quality.
I bought the GNW starter set from Baccus a couple of years ago. Today I got it out from the closet and I think I'm gonna paint some of them to get a feel for 6 mm before I make any decision on Nap scale. I kind of like Baccus.
Quote from: The Brain on April 19, 2009, 09:02:02 AM
I saw Avalon Hill's old Napoleon's Battles in the store today and I bought it on impulse. I remember holding it in my hand 16 years ago and deciding against it since at that time I was looking for boardgames and not miniature games. I don't know if the rules are good or not but the "whole system in a box" thing is pretty cool as a kind of starting point for me to compare other stuff to, and for inspiration. There's even some "terrain". Cool.
I'm guessing that the rules are very old-fashioned compared to newer offerings.
Didn't see any good books on Napoleonic tactics in the bookstores. Can anyone recommend something? In my bookshelf I pretty much only have Adkin's The Waterloo Companion and Weigley's The Age of Battles.
Edit: Oh, and grumbler. Best manufacturers for 10 mm?
Naver played the game, but I have a copy and have always found it money well spent. Army lists were far better than most (I don't know if modern lists have improved but when 'Napoleon's Battles' was published the lists were far better than anything I had read) the generals lists are huge and well researched and IIRC the rules seemed generally very reasonable.
And did I mention that they cover the Wars of the Revolution too?
Regarding books, IMHO the best is George F. Nafziger's 'Imperial Bayonets'; dry in the usual Nafziger's style, but packed with facts extracted from contemporary regulations. Brent Nosworthy's "With Musket, Cannon And Sword: Battle Tactics Of Napoleon And His Enemies" is not highly regarded amongst historians (too 'wargamish' and contains some egregious mistakes) but I found it quite readable too, if certainly much inferior to Nafziger's work.
And I have to warn you: Napoleonic history works are a true minefield, I'm almost constantly amazed by the levels of blind nationalism and sheer hero-worshipping displayed not only by fans but by writers and historians too (and nationality matters, but the worst Austrian army fanboy is no Austrian nor German, and some anglosaxon writers would die gladly for the Emperor of the French... )
Quote from: The Brain on April 19, 2009, 09:02:02 AM
I saw Avalon Hill's old Napoleon's Battles in the store today and I bought it on impulse. I remember holding it in my hand 16 years ago and deciding against it since at that time I was looking for boardgames and not miniature games. I don't know if the rules are good or not but the "whole system in a box" thing is pretty cool as a kind of starting point for me to compare other stuff to, and for inspiration. There's even some "terrain". Cool.
I'm guessing that the rules are very old-fashioned compared to newer offerings.
Napoleon's battles is a fun rules set, though very ahistorical at at times silly. It's real offense is that it requires remounting troops 9or, if creating new units, mounting the figures in a way that makes your units worthless for any other miniatures rules). It was actually designed as a SYW rules set (and that shows, sometimes, in the terminology and unit values) and that is why your "brigades" look and act like battalions - because when the rules were first written, they
Quotewere
battalions!
So, have some fun with them using the paper units and terrain, but for Davout's sake don't mount any figures in this system!
QuoteDidn't see any good books on Napoleonic tactics in the bookstores. Can anyone recommend something? In my bookshelf I pretty much only have Adkin's The Waterloo Companion and Weigley's The Age of Battles.
The best descriptive book on how a Napoleonic army worked is probably John Elting's http://www.amazon.com/Swords-Around-Throne-John-Elting/dp/0306807572/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1240225402&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Swords-Around-Throne-John-Elting/dp/0306807572/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1240225402&sr=8-1)
Swords Around a Throne. It is very wel-written as well, but find a hardback copy as you will go back to this a lot and a paperback copy won't stand up to the use.
Brent Nosworthy's
Battle Tactics of Napoleon and His Enemies is probably the place to go after SAaT.
Quote from: Alatriste on April 20, 2009, 04:41:53 AM
Regarding books, IMHO the best is George F. Nafziger's 'Imperial Bayonets'; dry in the usual Nafziger's style, but packed with facts extracted from contemporary regulations. Brent Nosworthy's "With Musket, Cannon And Sword: Battle Tactics Of Napoleon And His Enemies" is not highly regarded amongst historians (too 'wargamish' and contains some egregious mistakes) but I found it quite readable too, if certainly much inferior to Nafziger's work.
Nafziger is out of print and
very expensive, though a certain publisher will be bringing out his books (properly edited and in second editions) in 2010.
Quote from: grumbler on April 20, 2009, 06:19:51 AM
Quote from: Alatriste on April 20, 2009, 04:41:53 AM
Regarding books, IMHO the best is George F. Nafziger's 'Imperial Bayonets'; dry in the usual Nafziger's style, but packed with facts extracted from contemporary regulations. Brent Nosworthy's "With Musket, Cannon And Sword: Battle Tactics Of Napoleon And His Enemies" is not highly regarded amongst historians (too 'wargamish' and contains some egregious mistakes) but I found it quite readable too, if certainly much inferior to Nafziger's work.
Nafziger is out of print and very expensive, though a certain publisher will be bringing out his books (properly edited and in second editions) in 2010.
Really? I do own 'Imperial Bayonets', 'Napoleon's Invassion of Russia 1812' and his three books on the campaign of 1813, all impressive works. Dry, sure, but not many writers do include so many OOBs, fortresses and battle plans, and the text of international treaties mentioned in the text.
Regarding 'Swords around a throne', I own a copy (big, heavy, hardcover) but read it a long time ago... IIRC it was far more general and less detailed than either Nafziger or Nosworthy, but perhaps I don't remember it that well...
Oh, that SYW rules set NB was based on... was it 'Koenig Krieg'?
Quote from: grumbler on April 20, 2009, 06:17:54 AM
So, have some fun with them using the paper units and terrain, but for Davout's sake don't mount any figures in this system!
10-4!
Thanks for the tips for books guys. I shall spend some hardly earned money.
Anyone know of a good Napoleonic wargaming forum?
4 white mercenaries are done. :executiveoutcomes:
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Does anyone have a great suggestion for what to use for 25 mm round bases? I'm tired of the obscene prices of the major manufacturers. What is the simplest thing to use instead? Fucking poker chips are way way cheaper but unfortunately too big.
Quote from: The Brain on June 22, 2009, 01:24:42 PM
Does anyone have a great suggestion for what to use for 25 mm round bases? I'm tired of the obscene prices of the major manufacturers. What is the simplest thing to use instead? Fucking poker chips are way way cheaper but unfortunately too big.
Google "mini poker chips" and you will see that people make chips in all kinds of sizes.
http://www.greathallgames.com/aacc/atokbags/achipsDrops.html (http://www.greathallgames.com/aacc/atokbags/achipsDrops.html) for example.
Quote from: grumbler on June 22, 2009, 03:06:39 PM
Google "mini poker chips" and you will see that people make chips in all kinds of sizes.
Might go the extra mile and google "25mm poker chips"
Quote from: ulmont on June 22, 2009, 03:37:11 PM
Might go the extra mile and google "25mm poker chips"
I think he is looking for chips on which to base 25mm figures, not bases 25mm in diameter.
Thanks for the replies.
They do have 1 inch chips in your link, g, but I'd rather not have to ship stuff from Amerikkka. I have spent some time googling and the Swedish suppliers seem to suck. Googling also tells me that many of the trash plastic chips available are 7/8 inch (and that where custom size is given for real chips as 1 inch it's often the size of the label).
For clarity I want 25 mm diameter (and I'm fine with 1 inch).
Plus there has to be something cheap that can be used that isn't poker chips. The ideal would be fairly thin yet inflexible completely flat plastic (or other material).
Quote from: The Brain on June 23, 2009, 12:50:35 PM
Thanks for the replies.
They do have 1 inch chips in your link, g, but I'd rather not have to ship stuff from Amerikkka. I have spent some time googling and the Swedish suppliers seem to suck. Googling also tells me that many of the trash plastic chips available are 7/8 inch (and that where custom size is given for real chips as 1 inch it's often the size of the label).
For clarity I want 25 mm diameter (and I'm fine with 1 inch).
Plus there has to be something cheap that can be used that isn't poker chips. The ideal would be fairly thin yet inflexible completely flat plastic (or other material).
Have you checked out washers? I know you can get them with small 6mm inside diameters and 25mm outside diameters, but the thinnest I found was 1.8mm. they were about 12 cents US each.
Quote from: grumbler on June 23, 2009, 01:42:20 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 23, 2009, 12:50:35 PM
Thanks for the replies.
They do have 1 inch chips in your link, g, but I'd rather not have to ship stuff from Amerikkka. I have spent some time googling and the Swedish suppliers seem to suck. Googling also tells me that many of the trash plastic chips available are 7/8 inch (and that where custom size is given for real chips as 1 inch it's often the size of the label).
For clarity I want 25 mm diameter (and I'm fine with 1 inch).
Plus there has to be something cheap that can be used that isn't poker chips. The ideal would be fairly thin yet inflexible completely flat plastic (or other material).
Have you checked out washers? I know you can get them with small 6mm inside diameters and 25mm outside diameters, but the thinnest I found was 1.8mm. they were about 12 cents US each.
Good call. Even Sweden has hardware stores. I will investigate.
So for whatever reason I have gotten interested in the Wars of the Roses. I've bought/ordered some books and I am considering picking up painting some minis (I haven't painted a mini since last summer).
Miniwise I am primarily looking at the 28 mm Perry range including probably pretty good plastic infantry: http://www.perry-miniatures.com/index2.html (their web design is annoying though, you have to select in lists...) I prefer 28 mm but many manufacturers have 25 mm ranges.
Rulewise I am looking at the Foundry medieval rules ( http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/books/medievalwarfare.asp ), Field of Glory (is it any good at all?) and the free rules system from the Perfect Captain ( http://perfectcaptain.50megs.com/acos.html , really inspiring with focus on individual nobles and the chaos of amateur battles).
A question: I have seen mentioned that knights usually fought on foot in the WotR. Is this true and if so why? I kinda like to include mounted knights both for aesthetic reasons and tactical variation.
A second question: the Perry twins also have an Agincourt to Orleans range. I'm guessing some models from that one could be used? Surely older suits of armor were used as well considering the cost?
Another question: anyone have anything else to add? About this or their mini situation in general?
Short answer: longbows killed too many horses, and armored horses weren't a solution because they were expensive and didn't move much faster than knights on foot.
A longer answer would start by saying that the Late Middle Ages saw several very significant military changes that were gradually making mounted knights obsolete (and in time would make knights disappear completely from the battlefield): disciplined regular infantry, pike&halberd mass formations, improved crossbows, hand gunners and artillery, field works and fortifications...
For example, a Burgundian 'lance' in 1471s comprised one knight and his page, one light cavalryman, three mounted archers and three infantrymen, armed with hand gun, crossbow and pike, respectively (later Burgundian armies significantly included less archers and added more pikes)
Quote from: Alatriste on March 18, 2010, 02:52:16 AM
Short answer: longbows killed too many horses, and armored horses weren't a solution because they were expensive and didn't move much faster than knights on foot.
Also, horses couldn't carry men armored to the extent demanded by the latest developments in armor. I seem to recall a quip by someone that, had there been a way to victual the knights as well as they were armored, they could withstand a siege.
History = fail :(
I ordered a bunch of War of the Roses minis... and some other stuff. :blush:
:thumbsup: I look forward to updates. Are you thinking Yorkist or Lancastrian?
Quote from: The Brain on April 06, 2010, 04:04:48 PM
I ordered a bunch of War of the Roses minis... and some other stuff. :blush:
You mean... Scottish pikemen? :console:
On my mini-front - in a fit of foolishness I mass ordered a ton of Imperial Guard for 40K. I've been slowly painting and assembling them. I find that I enjoy putting plastic miniatures together more than painting, and that I enjoy putting vehicles together. I'm thinking that once I have a reasonable amount of the IG painted, I might get some Orks and Space Marines (and who knows what else?) so I can invite people over to play.
I've also made some progress on my Qin army, now based on 20mm square magnetic bases. Mainly I plan to use them for Warmaster Ancients 20 x 40 mm bases, but theoretically I could easily use them for Warhammer Ancients or other systems as well.
I've also made a small investment, combined with a gift, of some of Privateer Press's Horde miniatures, specifically the Circle of Ourebebabuberos or whatever. I'm far from painting those, right now, but it might happen.
Quote from: Judas Iscariot on April 07, 2010, 11:18:04 PM
:thumbsup: I look forward to updates. Are you thinking Yorkist or Lancastrian?
I like the Yorkists, but the beauty of the WotR is that many commanders were both. Double duty ftw!
I ordered 4 boxes of Perry plastic infantry to get me started. They're still in the mail. No Scottish pikemen! I also ordered a piece of scenery that I just couldn't resist... I'll post a pic when I receive it.
I have looked at some other ranges for completeness. Perry has nice metal stuff too but their webshop is a mess (the plastics are available from other places).
I'm currently reading up on the period, I got a bunch of books that I'm making my way through (general history, Osprey, Pen & Sword..). Fascinating stuff. :smarty:
Quote from: Jacob on April 08, 2010, 01:11:10 AM
On my mini-front - in a fit of foolishness I mass ordered a ton of Imperial Guard for 40K. I've been slowly painting and assembling them. I find that I enjoy putting plastic miniatures together more than painting, and that I enjoy putting vehicles together. I'm thinking that once I have a reasonable amount of the IG painted, I might get some Orks and Space Marines (and who knows what else?) so I can invite people over to play.
:w00t: IG FTW! Pic showing color scheme?
Quote from: The Brain on April 08, 2010, 12:05:59 PM
Quote from: Judas Iscariot on April 07, 2010, 11:18:04 PM
:thumbsup: I look forward to updates. Are you thinking Yorkist or Lancastrian?
I like the Yorkists, but the beauty of the WotR is that many commanders were both. Double duty ftw!
I see. You could go for Richard Warwick, The Kingmaker's forces. He fought in quite a few battles on both sides and commanded a large contingent of troops. Personally, I'd go for the troops of Edward IV with a side contingent of allied Burgundian troops for a differentiation in painting and styles.
Quote from: The Brain on April 08, 2010, 12:08:57 PM:w00t: IG FTW! Pic showing color scheme?
Can't find the pictures I took, but next time I dig them out to paint again I'll take some more and post them here :cheers:
Cadians?
Quote from: Judas Iscariot on April 09, 2010, 10:17:57 PM
Cadians?
Yeah. I have some plans for other units and conversions, but they're purely theoretical at this point, so yes so far Cadians.
Btw, the release version of the A Crown Of Paper WotR campaign game is up: http://perfectcaptain.50megs.com/acop.html
It's the campaign sister of the A Coat Of Steel miniatures rules (same site).
Peter Cushing was a wargamer: http://vodpod.com/watch/3136799-british-pathe-peter-cushing
Quote from: Jacob on April 17, 2010, 01:29:00 PM
Peter Cushing was a wargamer: http://vodpod.com/watch/3136799-british-pathe-peter-cushing
Awesome. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Jacob on April 17, 2010, 01:29:00 PM
Peter Cushing was a wargamer: http://vodpod.com/watch/3136799-british-pathe-peter-cushing
grumbler would've smoked him.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 18, 2010, 11:52:53 PM
Quote from: Jacob on April 17, 2010, 01:29:00 PM
Peter Cushing was a wargamer: http://vodpod.com/watch/3136799-british-pathe-peter-cushing
grumbler would've smoked him.
Yeah, because grumps would have had an advantage in age and experience.
"You want to 'play' Waterloo? What do you know about Waterloo?? I'VE BEEN THERE!"
Still waiting for the WotR infantry, but I got the other thing I ordered. I nerdcame when I unpacked this baby:
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I figured since I am going medieval I might have use for a castle.
Today I got the boxes of infantry. They look pretty good. And they are cheap: 160 guys for GBP 53.
I kind of like the suggestion about going for a Warwick army. Or Ed IV. Or some combination. I will have to think about this come paint time. Before that I have some assembling to do though.
The new WFB edition has been announced. For reasons known only to GW the cover is graced by the mighty Rockethammer. Warhammer CAN into space!
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?catId=&categoryId=§ion=&pIndex=0&aId=9800040a&start=1
Quote from: The Brain on April 20, 2010, 01:09:36 PM
Today I got the boxes of infantry. They look pretty good. And they are cheap: 160 guys for GBP 53.
I kind of like the suggestion about going for a Warwick army. Or Ed IV. Or some combination. I will have to think about this come paint time. Before that I have some assembling to do though.
If you're going with some siegecraft and what not, Warwick's younger brother John Neville, Lord Montague would also work. He curbstomped the northern Lancastrian resistance and regained a bunch of castles that the Lancastrains gained via treachery.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Neville,_1st_Marquess_of_Montagu
I have started assembling some models. They look very nice. I think I will try to assemble the whole guys before painting. I usually leave off arms etc to get to all those hard to reach places but if I do this with a hundred guys with tiny arms and scabbards etc I will go insane. If you can't paint it you can't see it... that will be my motto.
Assembled some guys. These Perry minis are awesome. Look great, fine detail, mould lines are kept to a minimum. Recommended.
Sorry for the background and lighting fail but you get the idea:
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They are teh beautiful :wub:
Can you post some more pics please?
L.
I assembled a second command group and twelve billmen. Working on 24 longbowmen.
Disregard the glue in the second pic, I haven't cleaned them up for painting yet.
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Oooh :thumbsup:
L.
You know, you might consider getting rid of the wisps of glue. Sort of ruins the look.
They seem a touch too armored for WotR. I could be wrong, but the majority of commoner troops weren't sporting that much expensive armor at the time as far as I know. I will admit though, they do look like nice minis.
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on April 28, 2010, 02:59:49 AM
They seem a touch too armored for WotR. I could be wrong, but the majority of commoner troops weren't sporting that much expensive armor at the time as far as I know. I will admit though, they do look like nice minis.
The three billmen there are some of the most heavily armored models. Many models in the kit are unarmored. My reading indicates that the mix is realistic.
Assembled some longbowmen as well. Now it is time to paint the test figure. I will pick a billman. I will use the livery of the Kingmaker. One good thing is that many liveries are fairly similar and since I won't be bothering with badges on the lowly grunts they will be fairly flexible.
:thumbsup: I await updates.
So... any finished models for the Kingmaker's forces? The armies of the Bear and Ragged Staff need worthy forces to combat their enemies.
None, M'lud.
You'll be pleased to know that I am getting into WotR again, ordered a bunch of books and have set up my painting stuff again. :)
Quote from: The Brain on March 19, 2011, 01:42:21 PM
You'll be pleased to know that I am getting into WotR again, ordered a bunch of books and have set up my painting stuff again. :)
:thumbsup: Excellent. Keep me informed.
I've been working on assembling my piles of 40K Imperial Guard. Should I get to the painting and playing stage I'll be sure to post some updates.
Re: bases.
I've known people to use UK 2 pence pieces. They're just the right size. Maybe a bit thin but then they stick two together.
Not a perfect solution of course but if you're at the level of considering poker chips...
I keep meaning to get back into painting warhammer but just can't make myself do it...
OK finished one guy. He's a color test and a getting-back-in-the-saddle-after-six-months project. Some things worked and some things didn't and will be changed for the next guy (for instance the chainmail), but he's still fit for the tabletop.
I gave him the red Warwick livery, but I haven't added a badge. My plan is to keep RnF in simple colors, this will let them be used in several roles (for instance red can also be Sir William Stanley). Only command groups will be definitely identified with banners and badges.
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Pretty nice. Personally, I'd give the face a wash with one of the brown citadel washes, to get some more definition there. That's just my style of painting, tho'.
I like the dirty white sleeves and leggings.
Quote from: Jacob on March 26, 2011, 12:39:08 AM
Pretty nice. Personally, I'd give the face a wash with one of the brown citadel washes, to get some more definition there. That's just my style of painting, tho'.
I like the dirty white sleeves and leggings.
I did, but not enough. Will be improved for the next guy. :)
It better!
Quote from: The Brain on March 24, 2011, 12:34:38 PM
OK finished one guy. He's a color test and a getting-back-in-the-saddle-after-six-months project. Some things worked and some things didn't and will be changed for the next guy (for instance the chainmail), but he's still fit for the tabletop.
I gave him the red Warwick livery, but I haven't added a badge. My plan is to keep RnF in simple colors, this will let them be used in several roles (for instance red can also be Sir William Stanley :ultra:). Only command groups will be definitely identified with banners and badges.
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Looks pretty good for a test model. Are you planning on making any mercenary/foreign forces to complement your English forces?
I am. Will probably buy 2 boxes.
If the Perry webshop wasn't garbage I would have ordered a bunch of metals as well a long time ago. I have yet to find the courage to order from them, and no one else carries the metals.
Did another test model, archer belonging to Edward/Richard. As you see it's very rough and ready, I am aiming for serviceable tabletop quality. Some things didn't work so well (not happy with the pants, I would redo them but meh) but just like the billman he will serve. And these flash photos are not very flattering.
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Looks pretty good. I actually kind of like the look of the pants. They have a nice homespun kind of look to them. My only thing would be the lack of detail on the faces. Any plans on adding any?
I don't normally paint eyes and shit. The shading is almost lost in the flash pic.
My Eldar aspect warriors to warhammer 40K got a bath in aceton recently and have been repainted. Here's my Howling Banshee squad.
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Cool! :)
The few times I have considered Eldar I have been a but put off by the way there's "official" colors for the different aspect warriors and shit. I know you can paint how you like but they always seemed more "locked" than other armies, if you know what I mean.
Quote from: The Brain on April 08, 2011, 10:53:04 AM
Cool! :)
The few times I have considered Eldar I have been a but put off by the way there's "official" colors for the different aspect warriors and shit. I know you can paint how you like but they always seemed more "locked" than other armies, if you know what I mean.
Yes I know what you mean, all the different aspect warrior painting schemes also has a tendancy to give the army a less unified appearance.
Anyway here's my repainted Farseers and warlocks
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Nice. Always liked the lock models.
Oh wow. Most impressive. I've never been an Eldar fan, but those are some nice looking mini's.
Thanks for the kind words :)
My Dark Reapers
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Quote from: Jacob on March 21, 2011, 03:45:37 PM
I've been working on assembling my piles of 40K Imperial Guard. Should I get to the painting and playing stage I'll be sure to post some updates.
A friend of mine has been into 40k. I've been helping him build and paint some Terminators. It's relaxing work.
Here's my newly repainted Fire Dragons
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Finally took the plunge and ordered some Perry plastic "Mercenaries" 1450-1500 and a bunch of metal figs. Men-at-arms, 2 cannon and crew, Yorkist and Lancastrian commanders. Arrived today. Pretty neat. I now have an unassembled and mostly unpainted army. :)
http://www.perry-miniatures.com/index2.html
Quote from: grumbler on April 07, 2009, 09:11:00 PM
I've pretty much decided to produce the Legacy of Glory 2 miniatures rules this summer. Napoleonics miniatures players are in for a treat. :frog:
What's the status of this?
Also would be interested in your views on the masses of existing rule sets. Gather from the earlier comments that Napoleons Battles has issues but that General de Brigade is recommended. I also have seen references to Grand Armee, Shako, republic to empire, Lasalle, Black Powder. Probably others I missed.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on April 25, 2011, 01:19:42 PM
What's the status of this?
Also would be interested in your views on the masses of existing rule sets. Gather from the earlier comments that Napoleons Battles has issues but that General de Brigade is recommended. I also have seen references to Grand Armee, Shako, republic to empire, Lasalle, Black Powder. Probably others I missed.
The decision was to hold off publishing any side ventures until the new Lee books are through the editing process. :( Obviously, not a decision I voted for. I'd be glad to send you a copy of the rules for playtest purposes, if you play Napoleonics.
Quote from: grumbler on April 26, 2011, 06:39:07 AM
The decision was to hold off publishing any side ventures until the new Lee books are through the editing process. :( Obviously, not a decision I voted for. I'd be glad to send you a copy of the rules for playtest purposes, if you play Napoleonics.
Truth be told, I haven't had time recently for any gaming on any platform and that is likely to hold for the next few months. I've never played minatures although somewhere in the attic I have an old Avalon Hill copy of NB. The idea seems interesting though and Napoleonics seems like the best period to play.
Here's a battery of British 25pdrs in Italy that I've been painting recently for FoW.
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Finished a unit of billmen for the Kingmaker. Very simply done. And I still can't be bothered to take pics in daylight and having a good setup and shit.
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For my next unit in the army I will do something completely different. :ph34r:
QuoteFor my next unit in the army I will do something completely different
...an archer with a magnetophone in his nose?
L.
Alien Quadrilogy blu-ray box?
Very nice looking. I await the next unit to be created. :thumbsup:
Some British Sherman tanks painted for Tunisia and Italy
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Quote from: grumbler on April 26, 2011, 06:39:07 AM
The decision was to hold off publishing any side ventures until the new Lee books are through the editing process. :( Obviously, not a decision I voted for. I'd be glad to send you a copy of the rules for playtest purposes, if you play Napoleonics.
I talked to the fellas at Cold Wars about that Lee project they seemed to be jizzing over; honestly though, 8 volumes? Really? A bit much.
I did sign up on the email notification list, though. You can tell who I was--under "Favorite Battle", I was the one that filled in "Atlanta".
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 08, 2011, 07:32:38 PM
I talked to the fellas at Cold Wars about that Lee project they seemed to be jizzing over; honestly though, 8 volumes? Really? A bit much.
Agree, but we learned from
Napoleon's Apogee that people won't balk at paying $150 each for two volumes, but
will balk at paying $225 for the same material in one volume. We re-cast the original 5 volumes into 8 (but these are volumes the size of
Napoleon's Finest, not
Napoleon's Apogee).
Remember that this lee work is going to be like the Napoleonic stuff: full of maps, OOBs, sidebars on equipment, formations, and personalities, uniform plates, step-by-step drawings of the battles as they progressed, and the like. This isn't a text info-drop. We are deleting stuff to get it into eight volumes!
OK, that sounds a little more reasonable. "All Lee, All The Time" would make me retch. Fuck him, genius or not. There's only so much info you can get on a traitor.
My next unit is done! As you can see it's a little different. It's artillery. :)
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Really like these models. The gun model itself is awesome.
I haven't made a final decision on what to do with the edges of the bases, that's why they look a little unfinished. Just like the bases for the billmen.
Didn't have any sunlight available for this photo. As usual.
Oooh nice! :wub:
L.
Wow. Badass. Definitely liking your work with these models.
Found this and thought I'd share it with you nerds. Pretty fucking awesome if you ask me.
http://battlereporter.blogspot.com/2008/12/best-warhammer-fantasy-army-ever-seen.html (http://battlereporter.blogspot.com/2008/12/best-warhammer-fantasy-army-ever-seen.html)
Cool. :)
I just got invited to play in a WWII Miniatures game.
Anyone ever heard of Flames of War?
Yup.
Quote from: Barrister on September 22, 2011, 03:23:47 PM
I just got invited to play in a WWII Miniatures game.
Anyone ever heard of Flames of War?
It's huge. I haven't played it but I got some rulebooks.
Quote from: Barrister on September 23, 2011, 02:27:11 PM
Tell me about it.
They are the latest flash-in-the-pan simplistic WW2 rules set for n00bs. They are not really intended to be "realistic" in any way, just fun. They are fairly fun at the start, but too gamey to sustain a historian's interest. Great for kids, so long as you make sure they know that the game isn't intended to be realistic. OOBs are designed to conform to game requirements, not realism.
Good for starting the kids off and wetting their interest. Expensive, though, and FoW units are useless outside those rules. If you have been invited to play FoW with adults, be very, very suspicious.
Quote from: grumbler on September 29, 2011, 09:18:51 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 23, 2011, 02:27:11 PM
Tell me about it.
They are the latest flash-in-the-pan simplistic WW2 rules set for n00bs. They are not really intended to be "realistic" in any way, just fun. They are fairly fun at the start, but too gamey to sustain a historian's interest. Great for kids, so long as you make sure they know that the game isn't intended to be realistic. OOBs are designed to conform to game requirements, not realism.
Good for starting the kids off and wetting their interest. Expensive, though, and FoW units are useless outside those rules. If you have been invited to play FoW with adults, be very, very suspicious.
:huh:
Yeah, adults. Another prosecutor was telling me about his gaming group, and I think they're all in their 40s-50s.
I don't think they're interested in performing historic simulations, but rather just getting away from their wives once a week. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be suspicious of. :unsure:
Quote from: Barrister on September 29, 2011, 09:29:15 AM
Yeah, adults. Another prosecutor was telling me about his gaming group, and I think they're all in their 40s-50s.
I don't think they're interested in performing historic simulations, but rather just getting away from their wives once a week. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be suspicious of. :unsure:
I was going to say that you should be very suspicious that there is at least one lawyer involved, but that warning seems moot, given what you say here. :(
I think you will find it fun, but I suspect that you would be wise not to get too enthusiastic about buying your own units until you see if the game has legs in your group. If they are playing the game with non-FoW miniatures (i.e. regular 15mm figures) then you have no worries - those figures and vehicles can be used in lots of other games.
Quote from: Barrister on September 29, 2011, 09:29:15 AM
Quote from: grumbler on September 29, 2011, 09:18:51 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 23, 2011, 02:27:11 PM
Tell me about it.
They are the latest flash-in-the-pan simplistic WW2 rules set for n00bs. They are not really intended to be "realistic" in any way, just fun. They are fairly fun at the start, but too gamey to sustain a historian's interest. Great for kids, so long as you make sure they know that the game isn't intended to be realistic. OOBs are designed to conform to game requirements, not realism.
Good for starting the kids off and wetting their interest. Expensive, though, and FoW units are useless outside those rules. If you have been invited to play FoW with adults, be very, very suspicious.
:huh:
Yeah, adults. Another prosecutor was telling me about his gaming group, and I think they're all in their 40s-50s.
I don't think they're interested in performing historic simulations, but rather just getting away from their wives once a week. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be suspicious of. :unsure:
No one is. The game is very popular so probably reasonably fun.
Painted a guy for Warhammer 40k roleplay. I love the model and I'm pleased with the painting. As usual photo quality is not awesome.
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Nice work. I like the scroll work you did. My only concern is that he seems too... clean?
Hey, I think it looks great.
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on October 23, 2011, 03:07:54 AM
Nice work. I like the scroll work you did. My only concern is that he seems too... clean?
FUCK OFF :mad:
Quote from: Barrister on September 29, 2011, 09:29:15 AM:huh:
Yeah, adults. Another prosecutor was telling me about his gaming group, and I think they're all in their 40s-50s.
I don't think they're interested in performing historic simulations, but rather just getting away from their wives once a week. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be suspicious of. :unsure:
If you think playing Warhammer and 40K is fun, then you'll probably enjoy FoW. I haven't played it, but from everything I've heard, it's on about that level of complexity. It's more about building a list for X points and facing your mate than it's about hard core historical sim, though it does obviously have the WWII flavour. I believe it's better balanced than the Warhammers, though.
My guess is that it's a great game for playing over a few beers with your mates every so often, and gives you a good chance of finding new opponents if that's ever a concern as it's fairly popular.
Let us know how it goes.
Got my shipment of Perry miniatures mounted men at arms. As usual with the Perry twins the models are excellent.
http://www.perry-miniatures.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_62&products_id=2713
Hmm, I noticed that they have some new medieval models... Italians and shit. Interesting.
My painting is very slow these days. I did paint my castle model that I bought a few years ago though. I have some half-painted WotR archers on my desk right now...
In other news Warhammer Historical has closed.
That's shitty news. But not really unexpected.
I'm thinking of doing a WFB army with primarily Perry and Warlord figures. It's much much cheaper than Games Workshop.
I finished 12 Yorkist longbowmen and I've started on 12 more. Not based the painted ones yet, I will probably base the entire army when it is done.
In other mini news the new edition (6th) of Warhammer 40k is released next week.
By the way Brain, kudos on the work on that WH40K Inquisitor figurine; I like what you did with the base.
Thanks! I'm very pleased with that figure. :)
I find my lack of social life rewarding. Saturday night painting means actual progress on my new batch of longbowmen. Still a ways to go though.
Quote from: The Brain on June 23, 2012, 09:48:40 AM
I finished 12 Yorkist longbowmen and I've started on 12 more. Not based the painted ones yet, I will probably base the entire army when it is done.
Pics or it never happened!
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:thumbsup:
Indeed very nice. :)
Damn, Brain... you do pretty good work, man.
Thank you all.
The astute observer will notice that there's a difference between the 40k mini (which I spent a lot of time and care on) and the rank and file longbowmen. On those I apply strict KISS, try to minimize the number of steps and accept greater mistakes.
A Warwick! A Warwick! Whatever the hell that means.
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I'm pretty damn pleased with these. Made some minor adjustments (mostly in painting sequence) and they painted up real quick and nice.
Every guy will have arrows stuck in the ground when based. The guy on the left demonstrates.
"Why doesn't anyone have a drawn bow?" Because that's the way the minis are designed.
Very nice
Some men-at-arms done. Not enough sunlight for a good pic but there you go.
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Unlike the previous guys (multi-part plastic) these are metal minis. Hence the odd bent weapon etc.
Already started assembly on some Edward IV longbowmen. This shit is crazy yo.
Edit: I meant billmen. Billmen.
Enjoying the updates. Definitely cool to see the WotR minis go from an idea into actual finalized form. :thumbsup:
Billmen. Now two battles of the army have their basic bill and bow components (minus basing obviously). Awesome.
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I really like the work on the weapons. :)
But what's the deal with the one dude in the shamrock jersey? :unsure:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 16, 2012, 03:58:37 PM
I really like the work on the weapons. :)
But what's the deal with the one dude in the shamrock jersey? :unsure:
Somewhat lazy semi-random color experiment.
Edit: or if you meant why he doesn't wear livery in the same colors as the bows or bills then that's because I want to keep the men-at-arms generic enough to fit in any army. His colors are presumably his own or those of some minor generic noble.
More great work. :)
Quote from: The Brain on July 16, 2012, 04:01:57 PM
Somewhat lazy semi-random color experiment.
Don't do it again. :ph34r:
Longbowmen wearing the livery of Lord Fauconberg (can also be used as the Duke of Somerset).
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And the billmen.
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Wow, now all three battles of the army have their basic shit (bills and bows). This means the fun stuff is left, the "extra" stuff that will flesh out the army.
What to do now? This is stuff I already have at home and plan to include in the army:
Artillery piece and crew (remember I already have 1 painted, so 2 total, not the same model though)
Mercenary handgunners
Mercenary crossbowmen
VIPs with banners etc
Men-at-arms on foot (advancing, I already did standing around)
Mounted men-at-arms (not my top priority right now since they didn't play a huge part historically and my VIPs are on foot)
Light cavalry (prickers, in case they can be made well from the mounted men-at-arms sprues)
Any requests?
Light Cav....
Which miniatures are you using for the light cavalry?
Quote from: Jacob on July 31, 2012, 03:45:53 PM
Which miniatures are you using for the light cavalry?
http://www.perry-miniatures.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_62&products_id=2713
The pics explain.
Right! I forgot there are light and heavy options for the Perry cavalry.
Do crossbowmen next.
BTW, what's the period? Early 100 Years War?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 01, 2012, 06:30:53 PM
Do crossbowmen next.
BTW, what's the period? Early 100 Years War?
Wars of the Roses, second half 15th century.
I have started assembling the light (or rather medium) cavalry. I haven't painted horses before (or at least not since the 80s) so the painted result will be... interesting. Painting animals well seems hard to me. As usual these will be KISS.
I look forward to the Starchild, Demon and Cat horses.
Played a 1500 pt Warhammer Fantasy Battle game yesterday. First time playing empire, ever and my army was HEAVILY proxied (Bretonnia, Dwarfs, High Elves, a Wargames Foundry Viking and even a few Schleich baby elephants); vs Dark Elves.
Had a lot of fun. Ultimately, I prevailed because he didn't have enough things that could touch my 1+ armour. D. Elf magic was pretty scary, but once I took out his (two!) sorceresses (he was fairly aggressive with them), the combination of my heavy cavalry and buffs carried the day.
Good times.
This may be of interest to a few of you:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1513061270/reaper-miniatures-bones-an-evolution-of-gaming-min
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 21, 2012, 10:35:33 AM
This may be of interest to a few of you:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1513061270/reaper-miniatures-bones-an-evolution-of-gaming-min
How you stumble on this? You in closet?
Hey Brain, you ever consider doing your miniatures painting thing for profit?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 22, 2012, 12:51:54 PM
Hey Brain, you ever consider doing your miniatures painting thing for profit?
Please state your painting needs and I'll give you a quote. :)
But seriously... have you seen armies painted by people who can actually paint well? They make me look like a color blind Parkinson's patient. :unsure:
Quote from: The Brain on August 22, 2012, 12:31:22 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 21, 2012, 10:35:33 AM
This may be of interest to a few of you:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1513061270/reaper-miniatures-bones-an-evolution-of-gaming-min
How you stumble on this? You in closet?
I have no art skills.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 22, 2012, 02:36:12 PMI have no art skills.
With your wealth, you could outsource the painting to any of the various paint shops in Sri Lanka or Thailand or China or where ever. Or even pay a premium to have Americans paint them.
Quote from: Jacob on August 22, 2012, 04:58:07 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 22, 2012, 02:36:12 PMI have no art skills.
With your wealth, you could outsource the painting to any of the various paint shops in Sri Lanka or Thailand or China or where ever. Or even pay a premium to have Americans paint them.
Nah.
I ordered the 100 dollar level and will put the minis up until the kids are older. They can paint them as a home art project or something.
can you adopt me
Yeah, I went in as well.
It's my birthday present :)
The SEK is crazy strong right now. Should I place some zany-sized orders for painted terrain etc etc? :hmm:
Started painting the horses. Turns out they're almost completely naked, only wearing some revealing BDSM-style outfit.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 21, 2012, 10:35:33 AM
This may be of interest to a few of you:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1513061270/reaper-miniatures-bones-an-evolution-of-gaming-min
Thanks for that, interesting stuff.
OK you've got my interest, recommend me some plastic* generic dungeon/D&D/fantasy figure to have a go at painting ! :gasp:
* I have a load of acrylic paints and no enamel ones, plus I don't want to breath in thinners whilst painting.
You can use acrylic paints on metal figures. Granted, with today's plastic ranges you don't have to.
Quote from: The Brain on September 04, 2012, 01:02:16 PM
You can use acrylic paints on metal figures. Granted, with today's plastic ranges you don't have to.
:thumbsup:
I guess I just fancy painting a few via buying a couple of boxes, rather than having to buy individual metal figures.
Unfortunately, generic D&D style plastic figs isn't my area of expertise. Obviously Games Workshop has a lot of plastic fantasy stuff but they may or may not suit your taste.
Quote from: mongers on September 04, 2012, 12:40:28 PM
OK you've got my interest, recommend me some plastic* generic dungeon/D&D/fantasy figure to have a go at painting ! :gasp:
* I have a load of acrylic paints and no enamel ones, plus I don't want to breath in thinners whilst painting.
People use acrylic paints for metal figurines these days - they just prime the models first with gesso or expensive primer or simple white interior latex spray paint.
Anyhow, for plastics and D&D you should probably look at Reaper miniature's recent Bones series. They have a bunch more coming out after the successful kickstarter, but they've already released some: http://www.reapermini.com/miniatures/bones - I think they're the only ones doing single figures.
Quote from: Jacob on September 04, 2012, 03:55:58 PM
Quote from: mongers on September 04, 2012, 12:40:28 PM
OK you've got my interest, recommend me some plastic* generic dungeon/D&D/fantasy figure to have a go at painting ! :gasp:
* I have a load of acrylic paints and no enamel ones, plus I don't want to breath in thinners whilst painting.
People use acrylic paints for metal figurines these days - they just prime the models first with gesso or expensive primer or simple white interior latex spray paint.
Anyhow, for plastics and D&D you should probably look at Reaper miniature's recent Bones series. They have a bunch more coming out after the successful kickstarter, but they've already released some: http://www.reapermini.com/miniatures/bones - I think they're the only ones doing single figures.
Jacob thanks for that. :cheers:
There is also eBay as an option. You can get figures significantly cheaper than retail and typically find as many or as few as you want in addition to whatever type.
Prickers are done. I'm fairly pleased with how the horses came out, I used very simple techniques.
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So what should I paint next? See list in earlier post.
Very nice.
How are you basing them?
Quote from: Jacob on September 06, 2012, 05:30:57 PM
How are you basing them?
Likely individually ("WAB style") to keep maximum flexibility. If you mean aesthetically no final decision yet, but some of the earlier WotR models are almost based (some stuff left to do), see earlier pics. I may or may not change the basing on those.
WAB style - so 25 x 50mm for the horses, and 20 x 20 mm for the infantry?
And yeah, that's what I meant.
Quote from: Jacob on September 07, 2012, 01:03:01 AM
WAB style - so 25 x 50mm for the horses, and 20 x 20 mm for the infantry?
And yeah, that's what I meant.
Yeah, basically.
Article on miniatures wargaming in Sports Illustrated: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1076773/index.htm
... from 1965
No swimsuit pics.
Finished mercenary handgunners. I only show one pavise in the pic, the rest are still under construction. They will likely be put on their own bases, the one in the pic is just there to show you what they look like.
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What's next? Hmm...
Can you explain the deal with the two-tone pantaloons? :hmm:
BTW, the horses look really ossum.
The armor on the handgunners looks totally ossum too. The handgunners themselves look like a bunch of inbred chimps, but their armor is ossum.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 27, 2012, 05:46:21 PM
Can you explain the deal with the two-tone pantaloons? :hmm:
BTW, the horses look really ossum.
The armor on the handgunners looks totally ossum too. The handgunners themselves look like a bunch of inbred chimps, but their armor is ossum.
Well medieval pants often came in two parts and having them in different colors were something medieval folks seems to have liked.
Armor is really simple to paint. I paint it all in a metallic color, then apply a black wash (which is essentially thinned black paint that settles in recesses and provides nice shading with minimum work), and finally paint some highlights with a lighter metallic color. Dead easy.
It wasn't always easy to get enough cloth for a whole pair of pants in one colour.
Next thing done: my second artillery piece. The cannon was a bitch to assemble (but the design itself is really cool). I don't know why everyone in this crew is real sleepy but there you go.
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I just got a few deliveries. Among other things some pretty sweet pre-painted laser cut MDF medieval buildings from http://www.4ground.co.uk/.
Crossbowmen done. They also have pavises, not shown in pic.
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Man, the army is starting to come together. Still to do: some more men-at-arms and the VIPs.
Loving those crossbowmen. The look is very nice. Any chance of a group shot?
Group shot? With the whole army so far?
Yessir. And any of the buildings you've put together. Obliged. :bowler:
Well, my plan has been to get the army done (and based!) before doing an army shot. I'll see what I can do, but no promises.
The buildings seem to be quite awesome, I may get one assembled reasonably soon. We shall see.
Second group of men-at-arms done.
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Now for the command models. One command group for the crossbowmen, one for the handgunners and one for every battle (Edward, Fauconberg and Warwick).
:)
Crossbowmen command done. I kind of like these guys.
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Good work on those men-at-arms, Brain. What's up with the crossbowman on the right, though? Between the feather and the drum, he looks like a sickly Iroquois.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 09, 2012, 02:44:55 PM
Good work on those men-at-arms, Brain. What's up with the crossbowman on the right, though? Between the feather and the drum, he looks like a sickly Iroquois.
Thanks. Shamanic practices were common among 15th century mercenaries. Apparently. They also listened to their bodies.
How exactly were those men at arms supposed to hurt each other?
In accounts I've read of Agincourt either two longbowmen would pair up and one would distract the Frenchy while the other went for a dagger in the nuts or armpit. Or in the center where the men at arms fought each other the Poms in the second rank, armed with billhooks, would try to hook the Frenchy and pull him to the ground, so his buddy in the first rank could put a sword in his nuts or armpit.
The way these guys are armed and armored (and it does match with that Graham whatshisface), it looks like you would just have two masses of guys smashing each other on the helmet and shoulders, for zero hit points.
Very nice painting job BTW.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 09, 2012, 10:23:32 PM
How exactly were those men at arms supposed to hurt each other?
In accounts I've read of Agincourt either two longbowmen would pair up and one would distract the Frenchy while the other went for a dagger in the nuts or armpit. Or in the center where the men at arms fought each other the Poms in the second rank, armed with billhooks, would try to hook the Frenchy and pull him to the ground, so his buddy in the first rank could put a sword in his nuts or armpit.
The way these guys are armed and armored (and it does match with that Graham whatshisface), it looks like you would just have two masses of guys smashing each other on the helmet and shoulders, for zero hit points.
Very nice painting job BTW.
My impression is that there was indeed quite a lot of smashing for zero hit points. By the mid-15th century they had stopped using shields since their armors were so good. That's why they have two-handed can-opener style weapons that can be used for stabbing armpits or putting big dents in armor plates that would reduce mobility. Swords had also gotten pointier since slashing at a guy in plate armor is pretty pointless, you have to find a hole and stab him in it.
There are stories of single knights in plate armor killing lots of ordinary soldiers, which doesn't sound unreasonable given how hard it would be to kill mr. Can.
They still found ways to kill each other though, if you look at the casualties in WotR battles. It just took some serious work.
Handgunners command done.
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A note on color: the black paint is shiny now, but when I varnish the figures later things will be OK.
I'll believe it when i see it!
So, apparently there's Warhammer fever at the office. We all used to play a long time ago and suddenly we've dusted up our old minis.
It turns out that my beloved Undead are now split in two, and there's already one player with Khemri, and another with Vampire Counts. My favourites fluff-wise, Skavens, are also taken. So this weekend I dug through the strata at my mom's until I found my Empire army.
As it turns out, most is still waiting in blisters or boxes, not even assembled. And boy does it take a while to get the multi-component plastic minis out of their sprues and properly cleaned up. I've been at it for hours and I still haven't gone through the first dozen halberdiers. I'd rather not think how long it is going to take me to assemble and paint a 150-strong army ... especially since I haven't painted a thing in 20 years. Yikes! :wacko:
Nice!
I've gotten some Perry medievals and some Warlord ECW guys to use as an Empire army. If I ever get them painted, I'll post pictures. Of course, now I've gotten distracted by the new Warriors of Chaos book.
I'm a terrible, terrible painter. :blush:
Which is infuriating since both grandparents earned their living painting/drawing. I guess the genes must have eluded me somehow. <_<
I've got pretty much all the infantry I need from the 4th ed boxes and blisters but 20 of those are ugly Aldorf clones, and that just won't do. So first step will be to cut their heads off and introduce some variety using spare pistoleer ones. Also, their halberds will have the heads replaced or be entirely substituted with hand weapons. These minis will then be placed among the 5th and 7th ed multicomponent ones to make their presence less conspicuous.
I don't think I'm going to use much cavalry at all since it seems flank charges don't disrupt steadfast units. Maybe the aforementioned pistoleers.
I do want a small unit of the new demigryph knights. Those look baddass, both in looks and stats (Monstrous Cav with 1+ save). They should be able to lock down a lot of low strength foes and allow me to seize the initiative charging enemy cavalry and maybe get rid of vulnerable wizards.
Painting is not about genes, but about practice :bowler:
I got good use out of the demigryphs the one time I fielded them (using proxies).
Practice is what gets you to your highest potential, sure, but it's not what defines it.
To be honest not all was lost. I did inherit a rather good spatial sense, like other members of my family (my dad, my uncle ...). Unfortunately, I also have really shaky hands. At least when I'm sober. :P
I've got shaky hands as well, Iorm. Genetic issue. I've learned how to brace by hands while painting though, and can actually do a decent job these days. As Jacob mentioned, it's all about practice. (Crappy old phone pic for reference)
Beginning to look good there Brainy, you ever considered moving away from metallic colours and try non-metallic metal? Pretty easy once you get hang of it, and it looks sooooo much better.
Quote from: Ape on February 05, 2013, 05:35:11 PM
Beginning to look good there Brainy, you ever considered moving away from metallic colours and try non-metallic metal? Pretty easy once you get hang of it, and it looks sooooo much better.
Thanks. :)
I'm not really a big fan of NMM as a 2D technique on 3D objects, but more importantly I suck so hard at painting that the simple and almost failsafe "metallic color - wash - highlight" is a lifesaver.
So do you do any painting these days? If so please share with the class.
Quote from: Iormlund on February 05, 2013, 03:14:43 PM
Practice is what gets you to your highest potential, sure, but it's not what defines it.
To be honest not all was lost. I did inherit a rather good spatial sense, like other members of my family (my dad, my uncle ...). Unfortunately, I also have really shaky hands. At least when I'm sober. :P
I got real shaky hands. Bracing my hands and using simple, forgiving techniques let me produce the stunning works of art I present in this thread.
Finished the command groups for the three battles.
Fauconberg.
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Warwick.
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Edward IV
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Now there's only basing and varnishing left. And possibly painting a supply wagon I bought recentlish, but that one is optional.
I give you Warwick's battle, based and ready for action!
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The tiny image (not the size I uploaded) is because Photobucket is buggy as fuck. Worked OK for years but these days it's garbage.
At least you can see that properly based they actually look like a medieval body of troops. :)
Basing is a multi-step process that actually takes a while, so the whole army isn't done yet.
looking good the fucking douche brain.
Fantastic work. The only thing better is your choice of whom to support/model. To hell with the damned Lancastrian usurpers! I like your choice of commanders/forces as well, as it allows almost a full presence during the conflict. Are you planning on playing some skirmishes with them, or are they a simply a personal project?
Thanks. It's basically a personal project, like everything I paint. They will certainly be ready for gaming if an opportunity should present itself (and I have based them so they are compatible with all major rulesets, both for big battles and skirmishing), but I generally just use rules and armylists as a framework for my painting. I like to be able to play games, but I don't have to actually do it.
Next up for Warhammer Fantasy - High Elves:
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Pretty stoked, since they're my main army in WFB.
Get some oversized crackers ready!
Lord Fauconberg's battle based and ready!
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Prickers based!
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Nice work as usual, sir. I enjoy the updates. :thumbsup:
Edward IV's battle is ready!
He's the one who hasn't got shit all over him.
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Handgunners ready! I decided to base the pavises separately for maximum flexibility.
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Played a small WFB battle a little while ago; 750 pts, my High Elves vs Ogres.
It didn't start off too well, with my first spell triggering a miscast and killing 8 out of 9 Silver Helms (Heavy Cavalry) and taking out about 30% of my army by point value before any combat had been joined. I did my best, and actually had a few chances to turn the battle around, but the dice were against me.
The rematch is at 1500 points.
That with the new HE armybook? What are your thoughts on it?
Yeah, with the new books.
Overall it fits nicely with the 8th edition hardcover army books. Some sensible reorganization (Silver Helms and Reavers in Core), a few reasonable adjustments (Repeating Bolt Throwers went down in price) and some interesting new units.
Some things are kind of underwhelming, but there's nothing that's terrible and there's nothing that's ridiculous over powered either; so it's a well balanced book by GW standards. The new Frost Phoenix is interesting, and everyone on the net loves it, so that's cool (ahem).
Overall, I feel pretty positive about it. I don't think it's the new power army or anything, and I'm glad with that; it'll take a bit of finesse to win with it consistently.
Anything in particular you're curious about? Or do you have it yourself - and if so, what are your thoughts?
I haven't read it, I rarely buy armybooks these days. The improved price of them doesn't in itself bother me but I'd like to see more interesting content. And I don't like that they make the actual army lists dry as a desert. I have lurked around some discussion of it though.
Have you built a skycutter yet?
Quote from: The Brain on June 07, 2013, 04:47:44 PMHave you built a skycutter yet?
Didn't get one yet, as it didn't fit what I'm doing with the army. But I might get one eventually, as I quite like the model.
Have you played any games with your splendid medieval host?
Quote from: Jacob on June 07, 2013, 06:06:08 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 07, 2013, 04:47:44 PMHave you built a skycutter yet?
Didn't get one yet, as it didn't fit what I'm doing with the army. But I might get one eventually, as I quite like the model.
Have you played any games with your splendid medieval host?
No I have not. The whole army will be battle ready soon. If a battle can be found...
Quote from: The Brain on June 07, 2013, 06:10:00 PMNo I have not. The whole army will be battle ready soon. If a battle can be found...
Warhammer Ancient Battles, or some other system?
Quote from: Jacob on June 08, 2013, 12:30:39 AM
Quote from: The Brain on June 07, 2013, 06:10:00 PMNo I have not. The whole army will be battle ready soon. If a battle can be found...
Warhammer Ancient Battles, or some other system?
I'll take what I can get. But it is mainly a painting project and not a gaming project.
Wow. Fantastic work, Brain. Those pavises look amazing. Are they a transfer or did you handpaint them? Either way, they look great. I wish I knew someone locally that played Warhammer or even 40k, as I'd love motivation to buy and paint up an army. Probably dwarfs.
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on June 08, 2013, 12:45:44 AM
Wow. Fantastic work, Brain. Those pavises look amazing. Are they a transfer or did you handpaint them? Either way, they look great. I wish I knew someone locally that played Warhammer or even 40k, as I'd love motivation to buy and paint up an army. Probably dwarfs.
Thanks. The pavises are pretty awesome transfers from this place (also got most of the flags from there): http://www.littlebigmenstudios.com/catalog/index.php?osCsid=78dc2c142371abfb2bd3cb4a02a725a6
Crossbowmen and artillery ready!
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Jesus Christ. You know what this means? It means the army is done!!!11 Some years in the making but finally done. I think I deserve a drink. Thank you for your support during the project. :)
If I can manage an army shot you will get it, but I can't promise anything.
And now for the next project... :shifty:
Any requests?
Roman legion vs. Macedonian phalanx.
Battle of the Boyne.
Gustavus Adolphus vs. dirty Papisher tercios.
Something WFB, so we can plan a game one day these next two decades.
Interlude: WW1
I have been into WW1 a lot lately so I wanted to do some models related to that war. I decided against doing gaming models because gaming WW1 is a problem, and the problem's name is trenches. To get trenches on the tabletop that actually look like trenches they need to be sunk into the surface, which means a dedicated modular gaming board, which means too much work for niche gaming. So I made a simple diorama instead. It is inredibly quick and dirty, more a concept than anything else, but I wanted to try it and see. Obviously it is inspired by all the B&W photos from the war, with a tiny bit of Dix.
I didn't want an action diorama, with combat and stuff. I wanted a more quiet scene. I considered adding a dead soldier but decided against it. I didn't want the scene to be about "remember the brave fallen" or "oh the horrors of war". I was going more for a feeling of "ghosts in a land of ghosts". The gas masks suggest that visibility is poor, and they are making their way through a devastated landscape, alone in the universe as it were.
I could add more items lying around and shit, but I wanted to be done quickly and I can always add stuff later if I want. I didn't want to clutter the scene.
To get across that it's a B&W piece (and not just a particularly poorly painted piece) I wanted to include some object of color. A flag would have been great, but completely out of place here. The grass and bush are meant to serve that purpose.
I noticed that there is a black spot ( :pirate ) on the face of the leading figure that you only see when you stoop to his level. Ah well, I might fix it later.
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You could do some Forgeworld Death Korps of Krieg 40k models up. They have an awesome Great War vibe to them.
Wait, that is the finished product?!?! :rolleyes:
:P Looks Good Goatfucker.
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on June 15, 2013, 11:01:25 PM
You could do some Forgeworld Death Korps of Krieg 40k models up. They have an awesome Great War vibe to them.
Yeah they are some nice models. Now I've done a little WW1 though, but if I didn't already have an IG army painted and ready I might consider actually doing a full Krieg army.
I am considering a number of different possibilities for my next project. Among them are:
Old West. I got a shitload of figures (and also a number of unassembled buildings). I like the idea of playing a campaign where everyone has his posse and so on.
Great Northern War. Could be nice to have an army that includes Charles XII. I already have an army (unpainted) in 6mm, but in this case I'd probably do it in 28mm.
Warhammer Fantasy. Must in that case be an army with few models, possibly all-cavalry (not a fan of the look of Ogres).
Warhammer 40k. Likewise low model count is a must.
War of Zombie Aggression/Near Future. I already have a number of painted models for various armed citizens, police etc. I could paint the zombie horde I got in my closet, and/or paint some more near futureesque models I have around. I have some unassembled buildings for putting a modern townscape on the table.
Fellowship of the Ring. I recently picked up the Fellowship from the Mithril range (20+ y/o, obviously based on the books and not movies). They are very nice models, I have been a fan of that range since it appeared. Would not be gaming-related, just painting the Fellowship (plus Gollum).
Vietnam. I got a lot of nice figures just waiting to be painted. YOU DIE GI
Space Hulk, latest edition. I did assemble the figures when I got the game, I could paint them.
Buildings. I have mentioned buildings. I could do a buildings project just to get all my unassembled buildings ready for the table. Storing them after assembly is gonna be a bitch though.
Or something completely different.
My internet shopping sprees recently landed me the Polish rules By Fire And Sword ( http://www.fireandsword.wargamer.pl/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=46&Itemid=58 ). I've only taken a very quick look but the book seems very nice. 400 pages, nicely illustrated, lots of background info, armylists included... and it's very nice that a niche country like Poland tries to put itself on the wargaming map. This is the stuff we like to see coming out of Eastern Europe, not all that other crap. :)
Another project kind of done: The Old West. Using Warhammer Historical's Legends of the Old West rules as a base I have painted enough figs from my collection so you can play a campaign with the three kinds of gang in the basic rulebook (Lawmen, Outlaws and Cowboys), including most hired guns and plenty of civilians. I still have lots of unpainted figs so more models can easily be painted up should the need arise.
The figures are Foundry, and unlike most other models I have posted these are 25mm instead of 28mm. Which means that they are fine with 28mm terrain, but you can't really mix them with 28mm models. But since Foundry has a fairly comprehensive Old West range I felt that this isn't a problem. You only mix Old West models with modern ones in a Yul Brynner theme park scenario or similar, which, while interesting, is unlikely. Anyway, since they are a bit smaller and also because detail isn't very crisp on them I have given them the simplest of paintjobs.
As usual photo quality is meh.
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Outlaw Yosey Vales, yes?
Once again very nice work. :)
Thanks.
I haven't decided what my next project will be. Hmm...
Just came across this company the other day. They have some nice minis, especially for 40K imperial guard: http://victoriaminiatures.highwire.com/
Quote from: Jacob on July 24, 2013, 03:57:22 PM
Just came across this company the other day. They have some nice minis, especially for 40K imperial guard: http://victoriaminiatures.highwire.com/
Interesting, didn't know about them.
In other news I am toying with the idea of doing a 40k army.
The new Space Marines codex got me inspired to start an army. Years ago I did a Black Templars army that isn't painted to a standard that I accept today, but I like them so I'm doing something similar. The concept is Iron Templars (working title), ie Black Templar symbology etc but with a metallic paint scheme (I suppose a Black Templars successor chapter). Why metallic? Because it's simple to paint, on Space Marines you need even coats over flat surfaces and I find this difficult with many normal colors and much easier with metallic ones. I want them slightly darker than the typical Grey Knights to avoid confusion, but hopefully the Black Templar stuff (I will use Black Templar upgrade packs to add extra stuff) will be obvious enough. One lesson from my old army is not to use transfers on the curved shoulder pads, it's a hassle.
I have bought enough stuff for an HQ unit and two troops units, I'll start with this and see later if I want more or if the next project is more interesting.
I'm not a person who writes a lot of fluff about his armies but I always have a general idea in my head. In current fluff Black Templars worship the Emperor as a god (uniquely among Space Marines) so taking this as inspiration I feel like only using chaplains as HQ.
For the test model the only special Templar stuff is the left shoulder pad. I'm saving the more elaborate stuff for the production models. The red on the right shoulder pad is squad color. I haven't decided how I want to base them yet.
Test model:
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Another thing: everyone in my army will wear his helmet. Helps with surviving in combat and breathing in space I reckon.
Reminds me of the Silver Skulls Chapter or Iron Warriors pre-Heresy.
So I am assembling Space Marines, and I'm using the newest tactical squad box and the Black Templars upgrade pack which is a few years old. When trying to glue together a front chest armor piece from the upgrade pack and a back piece from the tactical squad pack I realized that they were both males! I had 4 pegs and no holes to work with. So I had to cut them off. :pinch:
Well... traditionally, the Space Marines are a pretty male organization.
BTW - did you check out the new Dark Elves army book for WFB?
Quote from: Jacob on October 08, 2013, 06:00:12 PM
Well... traditionally, the Space Marines are a pretty male organization.
BTW - did you check out the new Dark Elves army book for WFB?
No, not yet. Did you?
Quote from: The Brain on October 09, 2013, 01:53:16 AMNo, not yet. Did you?
I sure did. I'm a high elf player, and I certainly felt the pull from the dark side there. I think it's a decent army list - some good bits, some less than ideal, but not too outrageous either way.
The biggest thing is that they get ASF like the high elves; I guess the woodies will get that when they're up as well. They also have an army wide rule that lets them reroll 1s to wound.
BUT they are cartoonishly evil.
Quote from: The Brain on October 09, 2013, 03:58:20 PM
BUT they are cartoonishly evil.
In Warhammer? :o
But yeah... cartoonishly evil, so I'll be sticking with my High Elves I think.
I got the Imperial Armour Model Masterclass books from Forge World for inspiration. In vol 1 there's a section on "Adding The Trojan", with a 4 part illustrated step by step guide. :blink:
Finished red squad (minus basing).
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Very impressive, sir. I would love to have the spare funds to invest in making a Warhammer 40K or Fantasy army. Add in some locals to play against, and I'd be very happy. Alas...
I've seen the folks hanging out at our local Games Workshop shops. The armies and all are cool, but it's in general not a crowd I would want to hang out or be seen with (present company excluded).
I completely avoid the Stockholm GW shop. :)
Finished green squad (scouts). Since everyone in the army will wear helmets I had to find some scout heads with sealed helmets. There are no standard such space marine scout heads (the heads that come in the box are all helmetless) so I used Forge World Elysian Drop Troops heads with respirators. I think they work well enough. The other non-standard thing on these scouts is the Forge World etched brass crosses on the shoulder pads.
I don't know if I mentioned that another design decision for the army is that everyone will have a ride. These guys will eventually get a Land Speeder Storm.
The plastic scout kit isn't as well designed as the tactical squad kit IMHO. Parts don't fit as well as they should, and needless compromises were made here and there.
Since it's after midnight here this is strictly a flash photo. The fabrics look a lot less flat IRL.
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You do good work, Brain. And you know how much it pains me to complement you.
Thanks. And yes. :console:
I love it when a squad comes together! Er... I mean these are the assault terminators. Non-standard parts are Templar right shoulder pads from the plastic Black Templar upgrade kit (not very visible in the photos), "shoulder shields" (insert fancy correct name for those) from the same source (except for the sergeant who got a standard sergeant one), and notably Forge World resin Black Templar storm shields. Detail on those resin shields is amazing.
In keeping with my main plan I have kept the number of colors down and I avoid bling like gold and stuff. This army is a dour lot.
These guys will eventually ride in a Land Raider Crusader (which is likely to be heavy with Templar iconography).
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Awesome. :thumbsup:
Fuck! I was happily painting away on my next model and then BAM disaster struck. Some dried paint had assembled in the neck of a paint bottle (Vallejo Bonewhite). Some pressure was applied to the bottle to pop it out and suddenly the bottle ceased to maintain structural integrity. The results would have been much more at home in a porno. After the initial shock of goo flying all over the place I acted quickly and decisively. First, damage assessment: paint in my face, on my clothes, on the floor, on my desk and on the model. Priority was given to the floor (I'll be damned if I get fucking paint spots on my awesome floor), and after a furious operation involving several trips to the kitchen and bathroom for various tissues and water I managed to stabilize it and finally get it clean. The success was a huge relief, but in the meantime of course paint on other stuff had had time to partially dry. Shirt status: unkown, will see after washing it. Model status: thick spots of paint over about half of it, some of the paint could be removed but I will have to do a fair amount of repair. The problem with thick lumps of paint is that they change not just the color but the geometry. Luckily I hadn't started on detail painting yet so I don't think it will be a huge problem. If necessary much can be fixed by the old battle damage trick. Face: it is what it is.
I estimated the risk that some paint had managed to find its way into my coffee as less than 5%. Good enough for drinking.
So kids, don't buy Vallejo paints. I've had no problem with them until today but apparently the bottles are crap and dangerous.
Vehicuru poweru! Well here it is: the Rhino for red squad. Non-standard parts are the two Templar crosses (one on the front armor plate and one on the side door) and a Forge World etched brass Templar small shield (left front of the vehicle) which in this case identifies it as belonging to red squad. As stated above it saw combat while still in the factory so it's pretty hardcore.
Eagle-eyed observers may have noticed that I do not use transfers for this army. It takes some effort to make transfers look good and plastic, resin or brass symbols look better. I do not plan to use any transfers at all.
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Quote from: The Brain on November 02, 2013, 03:50:25 PM
So kids, don't buy Vallejo paints. I've had no problem with them until today but apparently the bottles are crap and dangerous.
I will pray for your models. And the coffee thing too.
I drank all the coffee and everything seems norbal.
Quote from: Syt on October 19, 2013, 03:53:45 AM
I've seen the folks hanging out at our local Games Workshop shops. The armies and all are cool, but it's in general not a crowd I would want to hang out or be seen with (present company excluded).
Yeah, the trick to enjoyable wargaming is to pick the right people to play with.
So, since many people at the shop I usually go play miniatures, I've asked the owner if there's some game with more of a history feel rather than a fantasy one. I also mentioned that I'm not that interested in the WW2 games I've seen being played before (World in Flames) since I'm more of a Classic/ Medieval kind of guy.
He talked to me about Saga, showed me some links and pictures and I'm kind of interested to know more about it. Do any of you play or have played it? What's your opinion on it? :)
I think I own it, but I haven't played it. FWIW my impression is that it can be a nice introduction. Doesn't require hundreds of figures to play. Lots of manufacturers for figs since it's historical. Has Vikings.
Quote from: clandestino on February 03, 2014, 08:25:46 PM
So, since many people at the shop I usually go play miniatures, I've asked the owner if there's some game with more of a history feel rather than a fantasy one. I also mentioned that I'm not that interested in the WW2 games I've seen being played before (World in Flames) since I'm more of a Classic/ Medieval kind of guy.
He talked to me about Saga, showed me some links and pictures and I'm kind of interested to know more about it. Do any of you play or have played it? What's your opinion on it? :)
I picked up a copy, but haven't played it yet. The guys at my local store have played it a bunch of times and say lots of good things about it. It's definitely on my play-eventually list, but right now I'm focusing on WFB.
Some random points from what I've gathered - it uses special dice, but somewhere they have "conversion charts" for regular dice; each faction uses their own dice and chart, bringing real distinctions to how factions play; there are plenty of fan-made factions out there too, if you feel like expanding.
@Jacob and The Brain
Thanks for the answers, I guess I might give it a try based on your opinions and the chat I had with the shop owner.
Another question though, this one in a more general vein: I feel I can get myself to play it without much problems, but I feel kind of intimidated with the painting process though. I'm not an artsy tipe of person and never was, can someone give me some tips about this or point me to some direction regarding this process? It seems I could pay some guy to paint it though, but from what I've eard it seems it will be way more cheap to just buy the materials and doing it myself. Any help?
In the same vein as Saga is a game I've been looking at for a while: Muskets & Tomahawks. It's the same style of game, though set during the French and Indian War/Seven Years War in North America. It looks pretty awesome, is supposedly fairly newbie friendly, not super expensive to get into, and features an era I love. If I can convince a friend or two to give it a shot, I plan on digging in soon. Winter is perfect for staying inside for a while and painting.
Quote from: clandestino on February 04, 2014, 07:50:54 PM
@Jacob and The Brain
Thanks for the answers, I guess I might give it a try based on your opinions and the chat I had with the shop owner.
Another question though, this one in a more general vein: I feel I can get myself to play it without much problems, but I feel kind of intimidated with the painting process though. I'm not an artsy tipe of person and never was, can someone give me some tips about this or point me to some direction regarding this process? It seems I could pay some guy to paint it though, but from what I've eard it seems it will be way more cheap to just buy the materials and doing it myself. Any help?
Some people (like myself) consider painting the figures a key part of the hobby, and wouldn't use a painting service. Others are happy with getting their figures painted for them. I am happy to buy ready-painted terrain (buildings etc) though, which I am sure some people would never do. Obviously just paying for the materials and painting yourself is cheaper, but takes a lot more time. To sum up: whatever floats your boat is fine. I certainly recommend at least TRYING to paint and see if you enjoy it.
Obviousy I paint my own figures, and the results can be seen in this thread. I have very little talent for painting, I don't think I am a visual arts kind of guy and also my hands tremble like a motherfucker. Yet I can produce figures that are totally decent for gaming (if I may say so myself).
I painted some figures when I was a little kid, both 1:35 WW2 stuff and 25 mm fantasy stuff. This was very basic painting. Fast forward to 2004 when I picked up painting Warhammer 40k stuff. The first figure I tried to paint looked like CRAP. The second looked a lot better. The third I was pretty happy with (and I would still use him on the table today). If you get a painting guide and learn some very simple techniques you can produce totally decent stuff. When you've learned to use washes and highlights, and drybrushing, you can do a lot of figures justice. These are very simple techniques, and pretty much all I use.
I can get more technical later if you're interested. I can mention though that when I started out I painted from a black basecoat and inside and out. These days I paint from a white basecoat and outside and in.
Bottom line: if I can do it so can you. And it is very satisfying to look at a model/squad/army that you painted yourself.
Thanks for the reply, I guess I'll have some more questions when I buy the miniatures and I'll come back to this thread for some guidance.
@Benedict Arnold: That seems like a cool game, but the time period is a little bit to modern for my tastes (looking for something until the XVI century) and I believe it could get difficult here to find people interested in a simulation of a war that most people don't even know. :(
Nevertheless really apreciated the suggestion. :)
I agree with Brain's bottom line. It takes a bit to work out what works best for you in terms of a painting style, but the pride of having done it yourself is pretty cool. Also, it allows you to customize them however you want and add in as many or as few personal touches as you want over time.
I ordered some naval wargaming rules (Seekrieg 5 and Command at Sea 4th Ed), just because I'm generally into sea shit right now.
Lets shit up your thread about it.
If anyone's interested Warhammer Fantasy Battle is gone. 8th Ed was the last. Now there's Age of Sigmar, which is a different game.
Quote from: The Brain on July 04, 2015, 03:57:25 AM
If anyone's interested Warhammer Fantasy Battle is gone. 8th Ed was the last. Now there's Age of Sigmar, which is a different game.
Which explains why they do Total War now - it's based on the old setting. With all the crappy licensed games that have come out, the one thing everyone wanted - a computer version of the actual game - was never there for obvious reasons; and I guess Total War will be the closest we'll get to it.
Quote from: The Brain on July 04, 2015, 03:57:25 AM
If anyone's interested Warhammer Fantasy Battle is gone. 8th Ed was the last. Now there's Age of Sigmar, which is a different game.
You can get the complete rules for free on the GW website. And by complete I mean all 4 (four!) pages of it. Talk about dumbing down the game...
The nerdrage is strong, obviously. One thing that I find a little strange is stuff like
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Pride of the Reiksguard: Helborg's
skill is as legendary as his moustache is
magnificent. You can re-roll any failed hit
rolls when attacking with the Runefang
so long as you have a bigger and more
impressive moustache than your opponent.
Having rules that favor men over women? I'm not sure GW is in tune with the times. But maybe there are equal numbers of rules that favor men and women, I haven't read them all.
Is there a faction with old Italian women?
Quote from: sbr on July 04, 2015, 09:31:37 AM
Is there a faction with old Italian women?
I don't think they are a huge player demographic, no.
Quote from: The Brain on July 04, 2015, 03:57:25 AM
If anyone's interested Warhammer Fantasy Battle is gone. 8th Ed was the last. Now there's Age of Sigmar, which is a different game.
Somehow I knew they would fuck it all up. I was tempted to read the End Times books out of a love for the setting, but... *shudder* Such a disappointment. :(
edit: Ok, I watched their intro movie to the box set. How idiotic. It's almost identical to 40k now in appearances. The high fantasy element seems to be totally gone. This is a White Wolf level of self mutilation and terrible marketing decision making.
I can understand why GW would like to push WFB into 40k, but it makes it extremely unlikely that I will buy any Age of Sigmar stuff.
From the rulebook:
QuoteAbilities
The Mad Count: Marius Leitdorf is an
exceptional swordsman, even if he is totally
insane. If, during your hero phase, you
pretend to ride an imaginary horse, you
can re-roll failed hit rolls for the Averland
Runefang until your next hero phase. If
you actually talk to your imaginary horse
you can re-roll failed wound rolls as well.
:rolleyes:
Quote from: The Brain on July 04, 2015, 03:57:25 AM
If anyone's interested Warhammer Fantasy Battle is gone. 8th Ed was the last. Now there's Age of Sigmar, which is a different game.
Sad to see it go. I really enjoyed it.
Has anyone played the X-Wing Miniatures game?
I think it looks very good, but I've stayed away from it, because it looks like a ridiculous money sink.
Quote from: Syt on October 14, 2015, 07:53:41 AM
I think it looks very good, but I've stayed away from it, because it looks like a ridiculous money sink.
It is both those things :weep:
Haven't played any X-Wing. Life would be easier if I was into Star Wars.
Quote from: The Brain on October 14, 2015, 10:45:41 AM
Haven't played any X-Wing. Life would be easier if I was into Star Wars.
Have you given Kings of War a go? It seems to be emerging as the consensus heir to WFB locally.
Quote from: Jacob on October 14, 2015, 06:34:05 PM
Quote from: The Brain on October 14, 2015, 10:45:41 AM
Haven't played any X-Wing. Life would be easier if I was into Star Wars.
Have you given Kings of War a go? It seems to be emerging as the consensus heir to WFB locally.
No I haven't. My completely uneducated impression (I haven't read the rules) is that it's probably a good choice. Have you read the 2nd ed?
Quote from: The Brain on October 15, 2015, 12:38:40 PM
No I haven't. My completely uneducated impression (I haven't read the rules) is that it's probably a good choice. Have you read the 2nd ed?
Yeah, I got the second edition and I've tinkered with a gazillion army lists trying to repurpose my WFB armies. It seems pretty good on read-through. Several of the guys at the local nerd store have played some games, and there was even a tournament.
The rules are significantly less baroque than WFB, but that's good from my PoV. From what I hear, it's pretty similar to WFB in approach, if streamlined, but with enough nuance differences that it'll trip you up for a bit when trying to figure out effective strategies - but that's part of the fun.
Some key differences in my read through:
- no individual casualty removal (and thus no attendant weakening of units). You track wounds which lower morale, eventually leading to the unit running off.
- vastly simplified magic, unlikely to overshadow a whole game (i.e. no "destroy half the army - yours or the opponent's").
- inspiration (units/ heroes allowing morale rerolls) is a key factor in army building - how many heroes do you take? Do you make them fighty or not?
- in general most hero choices are not giant combat monsters (except people riding dragons et. al.); units are king.
- there's less of the wacky warhammer randomness overall.
In terms of fiction I think it's pretty generic, to be honest, and the art direction is adequate to fine. But it seems an easy transition from WFB. Also, it has enough human lists that you can easily field historicals as armies.
Quote from: Warspite on October 14, 2015, 10:20:12 AM
Quote from: Syt on October 14, 2015, 07:53:41 AM
I think it looks very good, but I've stayed away from it, because it looks like a ridiculous money sink.
It is both those things :weep:
ive been tempted by this tell me more arky
I recently found a local gaming club and with the kids now out of the house have decided to take my on-line Blood Bowl obsession to the table top.
I have not really done any table top gaming, definitely no miniature gaming and thus have never built or painted any minis.
I ordered the Necromantic team from Comixininos ( as great as their miniatures look I can't recommend them as their customer service is atrocious, it took over a week just to get a confirmation email that I actually ordered something, and then I found out another ~10 days later that the Wights were on back order) as I wasn't confident enough to try and piece a team together with separate parts or do any conversions.
I highly recommend the Miniature Painting 101 Youtube series. The couple of episodes of 3 Colors Up I have seen aren't bad but one of the presenters really irritated me.
Here is my work in progress (though I need to get my ass in gear, my first league match is Tuesday evening :D) Necro team Re-born in the Purple; all players named after Roman Emperors.
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I didn't think about how much work this team would be compared to a "normal" team, but Necro is one of my Top 3 favorite races. With all of the different players it requires a lot more different paint colors than something like a Human/Orc/Elf team where every player would have the same (or very close) skin tone.
Back left two are Flesh Golems; I don't like how the lighter one has turned out I wanted him more gray.
Next in line is one of the 2 Ghouls. His left leg is up in the air, with his knee bent at a 90 degree angle.
Then is my favorite piece, which works well because Werewolves are one of my favorite BB players. This guy has turned out pretty well, I am happy with the way the Sepia Wash and my beginner's dry brushing skills worked out on his fur. I am having a hard time getting a picture that shows that detail but isn't zoomed in so close you can see every fault in the painting and everything else.
The 2 Wights are on the end of the back row. I jacked their faces up by being too heavy handed with the black wash on their Bonewhite skulls. I am hoping I can fix it eventually.
The front row are the 5 Zombies. Obviously only the Orc Zombie in the middle is close to finished. The Dwarf Zombie on the far right is going to be a bastard with all of the weird detail he has. The guy on the left needs a lot of work too, I had a lot of the trim painted then decided to repaint his skin color so the detail work will need to be touched up/redone.
Really cool! :)
Nice start! Be sure to take a final pic. :thumbsup:
Thanks!
No update on the painting front, but I just won my second (of 2) League games tonight. Along with a draw in a practice game back I played back in December I am now 2-0-1 in my table top career.
I also won enough moniez to buy my second Werewolf so I will need to slather some paint all over that model sometime over the next 10-14 days.
How's your painting going? :)
Quote from: The Brain on February 06, 2016, 04:20:29 AM
How's your painting going? :)
I missed this previously, which is just as well as the painting was going nowhere. Like almost every other project I undertake I get about 80% done and lose interest, luckily (or unluckily depending) the league didn't care if models were painted or not.
The league ended a couple of weeks ago - I finished 4-3-1 for 6th place in a 16 team league, no playoffs though- and I refocused on getting them painted. A big driving factor is that I think I am going to go up to Vancouver B.C. for the Spike! Magazine BB Tournament, one of the major BB tournaments of the year. They didn't turn out quite as well as I wanted, but it is my first time doing anything like this. Maybe I'll strip em down and retry later after I get more practice, which is coming.
I have accidentally bought a bunch more teams recently. I backed a Kickstarter by Willy Miniatures for their new Nurgle team, then used a Stretch Goal discount to buy their Vampire team as well. Then I backed an Indie-go-go project for a Lizardman team from a small group I had never heard of before. Then I bought 1.75 copies of the old 3rd edition board game so I have enough Humans and Orcs to make teams from those as well. I also bought the 6 models I needed to turn this Necro team into an Undead team.
Some finished pics of the Necros, not sure how they they ended up so shiny I used a Matte varnish.
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Wights - never got their faces fixed
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Flesh Golems - meh
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Werewolves - Really like the brown one, the grey one is still no good even after stripping it down and starting over, oh well
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Ghouls - these I like
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Zombies - couldn't deal with a lot of the gore details on these but they ended up not terrible. I love the story behind the Orc Zombie. The original Orc Zombie was killed in one of my early games, so that model just sat around for a while. Then in my last game of the season I just destroyed this Orc team including killing one of his Black Orc Blockers, who was raised as a Zombie and the model I had for that Raised Zombie just happened to be my Zombie Orc one. Very cool!!
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Sweet! I did some BB teams a few years back, it's so nice to be able to focus on a just few models instead of hundreds, and there's so many cool opportunities for weird and wonderful figures.
In other news:
I recently ordered a few more 6mm armies for the Great Northern War (I already have some unpainted Swedes and Russians).
I got the Aliens vs Predators boardgame, mostly for the Alien figures.
I got some plastic Saxons and Vikings (I already have some painted Vikings, but not many opponents for them).
I haven't gotten any painting done in a while though. So many projects. :hmm:
Nice work, sbr! Pretty cool you played in a league. I'd say 6th is pretty decent for a rookie. I'm tempted to purchase/paint up some warbands for Muskets and Tomahawks. I love the F&I/frontier American Revolutionary era. A lot of fun could be had. If I could find someone to play. Hahaha. I always fear I'll make the plunge and end up like Seedy with a bunch of games/minis and no one to play against.
Muskets and Tomahawks: http://www.studio-tomahawk.com/gb_index.php
Thanks Brain and BA. :) Yeah 8 months ago I would have never imagined I would be playing in a tabletop league, but my youngest moved out leaving me here alone and looking for some new hobbies and a then some sort of Google vortex led me to the group that plays Blood Bowl here in town and I decided to take the plunge.
I am a table top rookie for sure, but I have played well over 200 on-line matches which would be a huge number for someone only playing tabletop so I am not exactly a rookie to the game itself.
I think I would like to try real wargaming with miniatures; the group I play with also has a pretty sizable WH40k group. As much as my bank account hates Blood Bowl at teh moment, I can't imagine what trying to build one of those 40k armies would do to it.
Hahaha. Yeah. I've always wanted to build a 40k army (especially now that Forgeworld has a whole range of 30k Horus Heresy models) or a Warhammer Fantasy army. The cost is just insane though. I don't mind spending the time on painting, but the money? Jesus. It's madness. That's one of the reasons I'm looking at Muskets and Tomahawks/Saga/Studio Tomahawk's games, the amount of models needed and price seems to be a lot more reasonable.
Yeah that's a much better set of games to pursue IMO.mpersonally, I've finally given up on GW games after about a thirty year run.
For fantasy, I recommend Dragon Rampant by Osprey. Theres much more leeway with the minis (including using your historicals), and of course you can use cheaper makes too.
sbr, are you looking at some of the alternate manufacturers for "Bloodbowl" minis? I believe there are some around and they're cheaper too.
Quote from: Jacob on May 15, 2016, 11:00:39 AM
sbr, are you looking at some of the alternate manufacturers for "Bloodbowl" minis? I believe there are some around and they're cheaper too.
Yeah, I haven't bought anything from GW at all, nor I have I priced anything from them.
The Necromantic and Undead are from Meiko Miniatures
The Vampire and Nurgle are from Willy Miniature
The Lizards are from Star Player Miniatures
The Human and Orc teams are GW but I bought them secondhand.
I'm not sure why Spain is such a hot-bed of miniatures manufacturers but they are all from there.
Quote from: sbr on May 15, 2016, 02:37:08 PM
Quote from: Jacob on May 15, 2016, 11:00:39 AM
sbr, are you looking at some of the alternate manufacturers for "Bloodbowl" minis? I believe there are some around and they're cheaper too.
Yeah, I haven't bought anything from GW at all, nor I have I priced anything from them.
The Necromantic and Undead are from Meiko Miniatures
The Vampire and Nurgle are from Willy Miniature
The Lizards are from Star Player Miniatures
The Human and Orc teams are GW but I bought them secondhand.
I'm not sure why Spain is such a hot-bed of miniatures manufacturers but they are all from there.
Hang on... let me fire up the google machine.
Now that I finished the Nagato (see thread in main forum) I am thinking about maybe painting my Perry Samurai, for skirmish wargaming. Haven't made a final decision yet. If I do I also have a collection of pretty nice 4Ground Japanese buildings to assemble.
So I made the plunge. I purchased some of the new Thousand Sons models and some rulebooks to try out 40k. I'm keeping it relatively small at the moment, which is easy with Thousand Sons as they cost so bloody much pointwise per model. I'm aiming for a 10 man squad of Rubric Marines, a squad of Scarab Occult Terminators, and a duo of Exalted Sorcerers to lead them. I'll be looking through the new book they released on the Sons to see what color scheme I want to go for. My initial thought is the Blades of Magnus, which flips the coloration of the usual blue/gold pieces. Anyone have any experience working with gold paint? (I'm looking primarily at you, Brain. I remember you did some Tomb Kings a while back.) Any suggestions or tips would be appreciated. I'll try to post some pics as I paint.
Cool, BA! :)
I did indeed paint a Tomb Kings army. My experience with gold is that it's a bit harder to get a nice even coat than it is with other metallic paints (gunmetal/silver is great for getting even coats, that's why I used that color scheme for my Space Marine guys in this thread). Small details or smaller areas are not a problem, but if you want to paint large areas gold then it might be more challenging. Of course different gold paints behave differently and it was 10 years ago I painted the TK army, maybe when you paint your guys you won't experience any significant problems at all. Picking a good base color for gold will of course help, but I'm not sure what's the best, I didn't optimize this aspect when painting my TK.
One thing I did pick up from my Nagato project was the use of Tamiya spray cans. Of course there's a bunch of different kinds of spray paint avaliable, but the Tamiya ones are designed for modelling. If like me you are too much of a pussy to go full airbrush, but still want to be able to get nice even coats on larger surfaces, then those pray cans work great. Depending on your color scheme it might possibly be an idea to spray gold first and then paint the non-gold areas with a brush. Just throwing it out there, it might not be a great idea for your situation at all. I used gold spray for the Nagato propeller shafts and propellers.
In other news I'm torn between the Perry samurai figures (I prepared and primed a bunch but got no further) and the Mikasa 1:350 battleship. Leaning towards the Mikasa right now, but we'll see...
I appreciate the advice, sir. I am going to look more into it as they arrive and I read through The Wrath of Magnus to further determine a plan of action. I'll attach an image of The Blades of Magnus for reference. As for your decision, I would go with a Samurai perhaps to start, as a change of pace from the Nagato. If it simply isn't holding your interest, then continue onto the Mikasa. I imagine the ships are a much larger endeavor than an individual samurai?
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The Tizcan Host are also an option I have looked at.
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That's a lot of gold!
The Mikasa is significantly smaller and simpler than the Nagato, but it sure is more work than a samurai.
My work in progress, my Lizardman Blood Bowl team that will start up in a new league on Tuesday.
Top picture is the 7 Big Lizards right in the middle of getting the bone highlights done.
Bottom picture is the entire team (with the bone highlights done on the Big Lizards) the Skinks are still just primer black.
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Very cool. :)
Jupiter's cock! Since I like movies about gladiators I bought some 1:32 gladiators from Pegasus. Very nice figures. I was actually looking for their 1:72 gladiators but if anything is perfect for large scale action surely it's gladiatorial combat in the arena. I also ordered some Italeri 1:32 gladiators (and 1:72 Italeri and Pegasus while I was at it, this scale shit is basically free when you're used to metal 28mm figures). I feel like doing some painting, it's been a while... and I've never painted 1:32 figures before.
Ruleswise I have Gladiator from Warhammer Historical and Red Sand, Blue Sky from Two Hour Wargames. If I could only trick some friend or similar to play a campaign, that would be sweeeet.
How do you rate the rules you have?
Quote from: Jacob on August 25, 2017, 10:23:13 PM
How do you rate the rules you have?
I haven't played any of them so I couldn't really. But if I do it anyway... The Two Hour Wargames rules use their normal concepts which seem to be pretty cool and a bit different from many other rules, and also seem pretty good for solo play if it comes to that (like AFAIK pretty much all their rules they are explicitly made to work both solo and "normal"). Their focus is combat between (smallish groups or single) gladiators with some beasts to spice things up. Gladiator OTOH use Warhammer Historical concepts which I suppose are fine but my guess is more suited to fights between several models and possibly make for less interesting one-on-one fights. Gladiator is very comprehensive, there's rules for pretty much anything that could be going on in an arena, even chariot races and naval engagements, and huge numbers of types of gladiators and beasts. Inspiring stuff. Both rulesets have campaign rules, which in a gladiator game is a must IMHO.
My impression is that Red Sand, Blue Sky is great for 1:32 figures since focus is on detailed personal fights (which of course also works great with 28mm), and Gladiator is better for 28mm figures since you want access to "all the toys" and probably want bigger group fights.
Yesterday I also ordered Victus, by Iron Ivan Games, but I haven't received it yet.
Nice. I'm mostly on a maybe-I'll-get-my-40k-Imperial-Guard-stood-up kick, though I'm trying to maybe get some Dragon Rampant games going at lunch at work too.
How good is Dragon Rampant?
Apparently something called Spartacus: Gladiators is coming from Gale Force 9 soonish, maybe related to their boardgame based on the TV series. Miniatures of named characters from the show appear with it. I own the boardgame but haven't played it yet (it got great reviews). I will be watching this, even if I'm more interested in non-TV series related miniatures I will probably pick them up if they're nicely done.
Quote from: The Brain on August 26, 2017, 03:29:41 AM
How good is Dragon Rampant?
Haven't played it yet, but from reading...
Looks like a nice little rule-set for casual games and I'm pretty keen on trying them out.
The key features are:
- Rolling for activation, with different orders being easier or harder depending on unit type. So, f. ex. heavy cavalry is very easy to convince to charge, but a little more challenging to get to manoeuvre. Archers, on the other hand, are much harder to get to charge into melee.
- If you fail an activation, the turn passes to the other player
- There's a decent enough system for construction units, including heroes and monsters. It strikes a decent balance between being intuitive enough to get going without descending into blandness IMO
- The magic system is passable, and definitely seems more of a "for flavour" than "the clear way to win the game" thing.
- Terrain rules are fairly standard, adding enough tactical substance while avoiding the disassociated mechanics you see in Age of Sigmar.
- It's got a handful of scenarios and boasts (where a player says he'll do X during the game for extra victory points) which seems a great vehicle for adding a bit of narrative substance.
Overall, it seems like a great pick-up game.
Sounds nice. Hmm, I don't remember if I have Lion Rampant (the non-fantasy version) lying around the house somewhere or if I never bought it. :hmm:
Quote from: The Brain on August 28, 2017, 01:29:57 PM
Sounds nice. Hmm, I don't remember if I have Lion Rampant (the non-fantasy version) lying around the house somewhere or if I never bought it. :hmm:
Yeah, it's basically the same game. The only differences is that Dragon Rampant has a few more unit types, more options on how to customize the units (with stuff like magic, flying, venom attacks etc) as well as a system for making representing big tough models (basically using count-as - your dragon counts as a unit of elite cavalry, but with the fly ability and something to represent the fire-breathing).
The two systems have slightly different rules for handling leaders, and slightly different lists of "boasts". Other than those differences I think they're basically the same.
I've bought Star Wars Imperial Assault, a very nice board game with lots and lots of minis, and I want to paint them with my son; I've never used a brush, except for some art project in middle school, so I've started watching the paint tutorials made by Sorastro, a guy who painted the whole game and expansions.
Coming from a state of total noobness, though, I have tons of questions:
- is priming a necessity, or not?
- as a middle aged guy with declining eyesight, every time I watch a tutorial it seems the guy does nothing really difficult; when I grab one of the minis, though, I have difficulties seeing all the minute details, get discouraged and never really start; do you use magnifying lenses to get the details done?
- if you happen to watch the first tutorial about painting stormtroopers, in the end the minis have a rather coarse finish, and the paint does not seem very smooth: is this an effect of the large magnification used for filming purposes, and in real size the coarseness is invisible, or not?
- bases, layers, washes: I assume the most famous paint brands (Citadel, Vallejo, Army Painter) make the whole lot of different paints, but: is it "right" to get a color from one brand and another one from a different one? Will they mix well? What's your experience?
- not far from home there's a GW shop whose owner every now and then organizes painting courses: do you advise for or against?
L.
Cool! :)
- I think the short answer is yes. I always prime my minis, but exactly how vital it is depends on the material of the figure. I started out using a black undercoat (which gave me automatic shading in recesses), but a few years later I switched to a white undercoat. There is no right or wrong color undercoat (for some minis a brown undercoat is good etc), among other things it depends on which colors you plan to use on the mini.
- I haven't used magnifying lenses so far, but I may pick one up eventually (I'm not getting any younger).
- I haven't watched the tutorial, but one thing that strikes me about painting stormtroopers is that getting a nice good even white color is not the simplest thing in painting minis. Another thing is that for a mini to look really good in extreme closeups the painting has to be top class. There are also different schools of painting with different focus, some styles are designed to look their best up close, others for looking their best 2-3ft away (which is the normal viewing distance for gaming minis).
- I don't think I've ever tried mixing paints from different manufacturers (and I am unsure how common it is among good painters), but simply using paints from different manufacturers on the same mini works fine of course (and is commonly done by me and others).
- I've never attended any sort of painting course, my guess is that it's a good idea in principle. I personally would check if there's some non-GW painting courses available somewhere, since my guess is GW's total focus is moving GW products and pushing the GW paint system (the system isn't bad mind), but I have no reason to doubt that their course is good for beginners.
TY!
- the minis are made of a rather soft plastic material, some of them came with small deformations (mainly the lightsabers) and one came separated from the base, because it's a probe droid with very filmsy "legs", but I think it will need only a bit of superglue to go back to shape; I asked about the primer because I think that the more layers of paint I put on the minis, the less the details will be visible;
- the white color of the stormtroopers is achieved by: a white primer, white base, dark grey details (the mask, armor joints and weapons), a layer of shading (Sorastro uses Nuln Oil by Citadel), and then more white to paint the highlights over the helmet, shoulder pads and thighs. How much do you thin a paint, to get a good covering color? The guy even uses a slight darker shade of skin color to give the effect of the stubble on the faces :lol:
L.
- Yeah you're totally right to think about the risk of losing detail. You should avoid laying on the paint thick, but as long as you avoid that the extra layer a primer means shouldn't affect detail. Also, the primer doesn't necessarily have to be a nice even coat, when I prime my minis I just make sure that there's primer on all surfaces (a very thin layer is enough, when I'm done priming they look more like statues that have been hastily whitewashed than they look like snowmen).
- Interesting about the method to get white. As for thinning paints I am not the one to give advice. My dirty secret is that I normally don't thin my paints (I only do it if the paint is really thick), but if I were serious about becoming a better painter I think I should. It's worth remembering that I am not in any way an accomplished painter of minis. I have reached a level where I'm confident I can put out decent work of tabletop quality as long as I use KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid).
One other thing about starting out: when I painted my first mini as an adult (after a 15-20 year break) it looked like crap. My second mini looked a lot better. My third was totally decent. Don't be discouraged or intimidated if everything isn't instantly perfect.
If you want to be inspired (or give up painting in despair...) check out Cool mini or not. I regularly check their top weekly minis: http://www.coolminiornot.com/topweek
Lot of 250,000 "painted toy soldiers" to be auctioned off:
(https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/sei_8077672.jpg?w=964&h=642&crop=1)
More pictures in link: http://metro.co.uk/2018/04/20/huge-array-250000-toy-soldiers-found-former-owner-died-7482670/
Cool stuff. :)
55 is too young. :(
Quote from: The Brain on April 20, 2018, 03:41:47 PM
Cool stuff. :)
55 is too young. :(
Agreed on both counts.
Quote from: Jacob on April 20, 2018, 03:32:53 PM
Lot of 250,000 "painted toy soldiers" to be auctioned off:
(https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/sei_8077672.jpg?w=964&h=642&crop=1)
More pictures in link: http://metro.co.uk/2018/04/20/huge-array-250000-toy-soldiers-found-former-owner-died-7482670/
A lot of those featured in the first few photos are Britains Detail figures from the 1970s, whether the WW2 germans or the napoleonic/ACW, an odd combination of plastic 54mm figure on a rectangular metal base. They have some value, probably a dollar each.
Oddly the wholly plastic ones shown, American western cavalry/artillery and the Arab horsemen can be considerably more valuable. I think the ones shown are either Timpo and/or Britains. They're also multi-part so can be pulled apart and re-arranged.
Finished a couple of 40K minis. And yes, I know the gloss varnish doesn't photograph that well.
(https://i.imgur.com/EsCSTg5.png)
Captain Penzance of the Zenobian 7th - biography here (http://"https://miniaturefront.blogspot.ca/2018/04/captain-penzance.html")
(https://i.imgur.com/WNCmHEz.png)
Sister Kali - biography here (http://"https://miniaturefront.blogspot.ca/2018/04/sister-kali.html")
Cool! :)
I have made progress on my Space Marines, but they're not ready for the camera just yet.
Quote from: The Brain on April 25, 2018, 01:12:08 PM
Cool! :)
I have made progress on my Space Marines, but they're not ready for the camera just yet.
Heh. I have miniatures that are "in progress" from years ago. I tend to start and sometimes even "almost finish" way more miniatures than I actually finish.
I've started playing a game of Sellswords & Spellslingers. It's a small count skirmish game, geared towards solo and co-op play. I've gotten maybe two hours in in total and I've enjoyed it.
Here's the intro for the game:
(https://i.imgur.com/mKnZmnN.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/v2yw2IA.jpg)
The game's still in progress, but here's what I have so far:
Prelude and stats (http://miniaturefront.blogspot.ca/2018/05/time-for-some-daring-deeds-dubious.html) (the pictures above + the stats of the characters)
Part I (http://miniaturefront.blogspot.ca/2018/05/through-woods-we-go-part-i.html)
Part II (http://miniaturefront.blogspot.ca/2018/05/through-woods-we-go-part-ii.html)
Looks pretty interesting. Did you paint all of those minis?
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on May 13, 2018, 11:48:31 PM
Looks pretty interesting. Did you paint all of those minis?
Sure did.
Some of them quite a while ago... Skarloc, f. ex., is a lead miniature that's probably been painted longer than some of the people on my team at work have been alive.
Quote from: Jacob on May 14, 2018, 01:01:27 AM
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on May 13, 2018, 11:48:31 PM
Looks pretty interesting. Did you paint all of those minis?
Sure did.
Some of them quite a while ago... Skarloc, f. ex., is a lead miniature that's probably been painted longer than some of the people on my team at work have been alive.
:worthy:
Awesome stuff. :)
There is only the Emperor.
So I finished my new Space Marines army. They're from the Iron Templars chapter, which among other things only has chaplains and no captains and similar. They don't like bling because it doesn't help them do the Emperor's work. They have long standing alliances with the Holy Ordos, especially the Ordo Hereticus, and are great friends of the Ecclesiarchy.
Everyones gets a helmet and everyone gets a ride.
Red (Tactical) squad:
(https://image.ibb.co/c0Pb2o/IMG_0675.jpg)
Blue (Tactical) squad:
(https://image.ibb.co/g1D8F8/IMG_0678.jpg)
Green (Scout) squad:
(https://image.ibb.co/co8x8T/IMG_0680.jpg)
Assault squad with chaplain:
(https://image.ibb.co/ekQzNo/IMG_0684.jpg)
Terminator squad with chaplain:
(https://image.ibb.co/nQhPoT/IMG_0688.jpg)
Chaplain (commanding the force) and command squad:
(https://image.ibb.co/iGFzNo/IMG_0686.jpg)
Venerable Dreadnought:
(https://image.ibb.co/hrHJF8/IMG_0673.jpg)
Red squad's Rhino:
(https://image.ibb.co/dgS2a8/IMG_0694.jpg)
Blue squad's Rhino:
(https://image.ibb.co/kJER2o/IMG_0695.jpg)
Green squad's Land Speeder Storm:
(https://image.ibb.co/nokoF8/IMG_0691.jpg)
Terminator squad's Land Raider Crusader:
(https://image.ibb.co/jT0Yho/IMG_0689.jpg)
Command squad's Razorback:
(https://image.ibb.co/nzKFv8/IMG_0697.jpg)
Storm Eagle, for assault squad and dreadnought:
(https://image.ibb.co/mcbpNo/IMG_0699.jpg)
A pretty fun and quick project. The very simple painting scheme was easy to paint and still looks totally OK I think. The Storm Eagle is a mixed plastic and resin kit from Forge World and was a bitch to assemble due to lack of fit (and still looks weird from the wrong angles). No transfers used in this army, but a lot of Templar extra details both plastic, resin, and etched brass.
Thanks to Jacob for inspiring me to finish this. I saw his sweet 40k AAR and immediately picked up the project again.
Very nice, I like the clean style. It can be so overdone sometimes.
Looks good teh Brain.
Edit: Thank you!
Hey I can see my old Photobucket pics again (for instance the first page of the thread). Can you? Maybe Photobucket came to their senses.
That's fucking metal :punk:
Nice work!
Quote from: The Brain on June 07, 2018, 01:49:41 PM
Hey I can see my old Photobucket pics again (for instance the first page of the thread). Can you? Maybe Photobucket came to their senses.
They're back! Also, very nice work, sir. :cheers:
Man spends 70 years to build the royal navy out of matchsticks (and match boxes): https://youtu.be/Z5IT90vZBRo
Quote from: Jacob on July 03, 2018, 02:10:53 AM
Man spends 70 years to build the royal navy out of matchsticks (and match boxes): https://youtu.be/Z5IT90vZBRo
Very cool! :)
I recently got some Death Korps of Krieg guys from Forge World. I've bought the odd Krieg guy before to include in my Inquisitor outfit, but I wanted to make something more with Krieg. A full army was out of the question, both because I already have an IG army (in greyish colors, which is what I'd use for Krieg) and because the range is shrinking and no longer includes all original figures (the range is 15+ years old and I suppose the moulds are giving up or something). I plan to assemble two squads and a command squad, and paint them as ghosts. I can't be bothered to paint them normally so if I want them painted it has to be quick and easy (I will keep a few models for possible later real painting). The basic idea will be a Ghost Battalion cursed to fight forever in the harshest war zones for some old sin or vow, statwise they can be Stormtroopers (whatever the hell those are called these days) for better ghostly stats and appearing by "airdrop" to support my regular IG army. Krieg guys also look suitably ancient compared to my Cadian models. I've assembled one squad so far. The Krieg models are gorgeous I think, high class stuff.
I love the DKoK models. I'd personally like an army painted up in WWI French Army colors, but that's my preference. Another thought could be to use them as Poxwalkers in a Death Guard Army. I think they'd be awesome for that, too. An indy model maker once made DKoK-esque models that were zombied up. They looked amazing. I wish I'd gotten some.
Whilst in the subject of 40k, these fan-made videos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-MteECxZUY&list=PLDNCCj46C34AgW7314tDcizn8qFcoENLO) are the best CGI I've seen since the Lich King cinematic. The atmosphere, portrayal of the Marines and the attention to detail are amazing.
Nice. Thanks.
Quote from: The Brain on July 08, 2019, 04:39:19 PM
I recently got some Death Korps of Krieg guys from Forge World. I've bought the odd Krieg guy before to include in my Inquisitor outfit, but I wanted to make something more with Krieg. A full army was out of the question, both because I already have an IG army (in greyish colors, which is what I'd use for Krieg) and because the range is shrinking and no longer includes all original figures (the range is 15+ years old and I suppose the moulds are giving up or something). I plan to assemble two squads and a command squad, and paint them as ghosts. I can't be bothered to paint them normally so if I want them painted it has to be quick and easy (I will keep a few models for possible later real painting). The basic idea will be a Ghost Battalion cursed to fight forever in the harshest war zones for some old sin or vow, statwise they can be Stormtroopers (whatever the hell those are called these days) for better ghostly stats and appearing by "airdrop" to support my regular IG army. Krieg guys also look suitably ancient compared to my Cadian models. I've assembled one squad so far. The Krieg models are gorgeous I think, high class stuff.
And, through the power of speed painting, the platoon (25 models) is done. Examples below.
(https://i.ibb.co/pfbLKyq/IMG-1694-DKK.jpg)
I shamelessly looked at a tutorial on the GW website and simplified it even further. There's only two steps here: a green wash over raw resin and then a drybrush with light grey. Well to me they look ghostly enough for the tabletop.
I thought about basing them properly but I probably won't. Three reasons: 1) basing them would take longer than painting the figures, and 2) as ghosts they aren't really supposed to "connect" to the ground like normal models, and since the models themselves have "weight" (they are not modelled as etheral) they can't be positioned floating above the ground or whatever without looking seriously silly, and finally 3) unpainted black plastic will fit reasonably well with my IG black plasphalt type bases.
The DKoK models are very very nice indeed.
Quote from: Iormlund on July 10, 2019, 04:06:28 AM
Whilst in the subject of 40k, these fan-made videos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-MteECxZUY&list=PLDNCCj46C34AgW7314tDcizn8qFcoENLO) are the best CGI I've seen since the Lich King cinematic. The atmosphere, portrayal of the Marines and the attention to detail are amazing.
Yeah. Very cool!
Quote from: Iormlund on July 10, 2019, 04:06:28 AM
Whilst in the subject of 40k, these fan-made videos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-MteECxZUY&list=PLDNCCj46C34AgW7314tDcizn8qFcoENLO) are the best CGI I've seen since the Lich King cinematic. The atmosphere, portrayal of the Marines and the attention to detail are amazing.
Excellent. Looks like just another day at the office for them.
Quote from: The Brain on July 10, 2019, 01:54:40 PM
I thought about basing them properly but I probably won't. Three reasons: 1) basing them would take longer than painting the figures, and 2) as ghosts they aren't really supposed to "connect" to the ground like normal models, and since the models themselves have "weight" (they are not modelled as etheral) they can't be positioned floating above the ground or whatever without looking seriously silly, and finally 3) unpainted black plastic will fit reasonably well with my IG black plasphalt type bases.
A thought: Maybe use clear bases? It will give them a unique look while also making them "floating".
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on July 11, 2019, 06:27:17 PM
Quote from: The Brain on July 10, 2019, 01:54:40 PM
I thought about basing them properly but I probably won't. Three reasons: 1) basing them would take longer than painting the figures, and 2) as ghosts they aren't really supposed to "connect" to the ground like normal models, and since the models themselves have "weight" (they are not modelled as etheral) they can't be positioned floating above the ground or whatever without looking seriously silly, and finally 3) unpainted black plastic will fit reasonably well with my IG black plasphalt type bases.
A thought: Maybe use clear bases? It will give them a unique look while also making them "floating".
The idea has crossed my mind, but I haven't really liked the look of clear bases when I've seen models with them. Can't put my finger on it but they don't really do it for me.
I finally bought one of those lamp/magnifier things. So much more pleasant to paint stuff, and better results. So I'm old but so what.
I'm working on an Ordo Hereticus inquisitor and retinue (buddies of my Iron Templars army, see above). Finished two guys so far, an acolyte and "Mr. Burns". They're not based yet, I will base them all when they're done.
(https://i.ibb.co/LCLNZ3Y/IMG-1696.jpg)
And a preacher is done.
(https://i.ibb.co/s9PBd4z/IMG-1698.jpg)
Oh, I see I forgot the earring. Well I'll paint it and you'll have to imagine it. :)
Inspiration for the future?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EC0XAPjWwAAiMEM?format=jpg&name=medium)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EC0XAPiXsAIZni0?format=jpg&name=medium)
Are there tanks? :)
A veteran sergeant is done:
(https://i.ibb.co/KLWSPTv/IMG-1703.jpg)
I'm thinking about doing Orks as my next army btw. Maybe I'll finish the inquisitor stuff first though.
GW announces that the Old World will be making a return: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/15/old-world-new-warhammer/
Plastic Sisters of Battle have been made available for pre-order (though now "No Longer Available Online"). https://www.games-workshop.com/en-SE/Adepta-Sororitas-Sisters-Of-Battle-EN-2019
I don't need another Imperial army, so I don't plan to take any action at this moment.
The armoured sisters themselves look great, but I've never been a fan of the aesthetics of the special units.
A colleague of mine is trying to get me back into the hobby. His club is literally a 3 minute walk from my flat.
His Chaos 40k legion recently won best modded army in a national tourney and beat the first round in another tourney at GW Nottingham. He's been working on it for 3 years.
Just got the new Judge Dredd game from Warlord. I love Judge Dredd so getting it was a no-brainer. I got a mega pack with everything that's in the initial release. First impression is that everything looks nice. Haven't checked out the rulebook yet.
Seems Henry Cavill is not just a PC gamer, he also likes his minis.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVZBkwcWsAIkO-e?format=jpg&name=small)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVZBkwjXYAEsICe?format=jpg&name=small)
So odd that Henry Cavill is such a geek. :lol:
:)
I bought some Eldar and supplies to paint during quarantine, but I soon realized I need glasses. My eyesight is not what it was almost 30 years ago. :(
Quote from: Iormlund on April 12, 2020, 07:18:57 AM
I bought some Eldar and supplies to paint during quarantine, but I soon realized I need glasses. My eyesight is not what it was almost 30 years ago. :(
Do you have one of those table lamp/magnifier lens things? They are great for this stuff.
May get one when the complete shutdown is lifted. My flat is pretty dark, so the extra lighting might also come in handy.
Quote from: Iormlund on April 12, 2020, 10:41:46 AM
May get one when the complete shutdown is lifted. My flat is pretty dark, so the extra lighting might also come in handy.
Do so. When I got one it made my painting life so much easier and more enjoyable. :)
Also get a powerful adjustable reading light, as prep for further inevitable disintegration :P
But, but ... I'm still young. :weep:
Yeah, after I got old the magnifying light was definitely a needed item.
Posters of a certain age may remember my Tomb Kings army that I did on Old Languish. I've had some loose Tomb Kings ends lying around, and I decided to finish my Tomb Guard that I only started on way back when. So here they are. Pic not awesome, normally I would take the pic on the balcony in better light but whatchagonnado.
My Tomb Kings army is generally white and gold, so to make the Tomb Guard stand out they got black and gold instead. The rest of the army has bronze weapons, these guys have better swords which in my case means they're made of meteoritic iron (which I've always found fascinating). They're based to fit in with the rest of the army, today I always paint the sand I use for basing but I didn't back then for this army.
I've gotten a bit into Warhammer Fantasy Battle recently, even if Games Workshop stopped supporting the game years ago...
(https://i.ibb.co/1KGQbsQ/Tomb-Guard.jpg)
And the Battle Standard Bearer is done! This guy is metal and seriously unbalanced, as you'd expect.
I still have some Tomb Swarms unpainted, but I don't know if I can be bothered. In GW fashion they have a lot of little details that make speedpainting less than straightforward.
(https://i.ibb.co/dP5vJ4c/Battle-Standard-Bearer-3.jpg)
Awesome! I'm about to start a WHFRPG Campaign with some friends. As such, I've been delving into the lore again myself.
Finished two Tomb Swarms, with a quick and dirty paintjob. I may take a pic some other day when the weather is better, but there's not much to photograph, they're a mass of bugs crawling over the ground. Feels good to have them in the army though. :)
So what's next? I just got a fresh delivery of historical figs... :hmm:
Care to recommend one of those fancy magnifying setups? Amazon is finally open. ;)
Quote from: Iormlund on April 28, 2020, 12:39:52 PM
Care to recommend one of those fancy magnifying setups? Amazon is finally open. ;)
I have a very simple one, a desk magnifying lamp with multiple LEDs forming a ring around the lens. If possible of course it's nice to see and feel it "in the flesh" before buying (I did), but anything with reasonable reviews should be fine. I'd go cheap, even a cheap one will be a huge improvement over nothing.
When I saw recently that The Assault Group had a Machiavelli figure I obviously had to buy it. He came in a pack together with Cesare Borgia and Leonardo Da Vinci (giggle).
(https://i.ibb.co/6WdZ9Vg/IMG-1840.jpg)
Perry Miniatures have reopened their webstore! I've gotten into WotR again (I'm always into WotR but more than usual), I might be tempted to place a new order. :hmm:
I should really read some of the papers I've been stockpiling on the WotR. York forever!
I ordered some WotR stuff. Since last time I did WotR the Perrys have released plastic foot knights and light cavalry. I also ordered enough other stuff to flesh out my army even more.
While waiting for the new Perry stuff I did some mounted men-at-arms I had lying around (I built my prickers from the mounted men-at-arms boxes since back then there was no light cavalry box from Perry). Even if the mounted charge by men-at-arms wasn't common in the WotR there's always the possibility, and Bosworth. I didn't put on a lot of horse armor since my understanding is that it wasn't commonly used in combat in the WotR.
Perry miniatures are always a joy to work with.
(https://i.ibb.co/2svjgwC/Mounted-Men-at-arms.jpg)
I got some very nice Egyptian ruins from Scotia Grendel, and gave them a simple paintjob. I thought I'd give my Tomb Kings some battlefield terrain. Of course they also work in historical settings (including pulp), and can stand in as ancient ruins in various fantasy/SF settings.
(https://i.ibb.co/cg80fs8/Egyptian-Ruins.jpg)
Those are pretty awesome. You could always do up some Thousand Sons and keep the Egyptian/Tomb Kings aesthetic going into 40k!
I could use another non-Imperial army for 40k. :hmm:
Yo teh Brain, what is the size ratio of ruins to the tomb king miniatures?
If you want to make a Thousand Sons army there's a handy little app for trying out color schemes called Impcat. There aren't that many templates available yet, but one of them is a Rubric Marine:
(https://i.redd.it/rt78wkiu20n41.png)
@katmai: That's a good question!
(https://i.ibb.co/cgm1QvG/IMG-1850.jpg)
@Ior: looks useful. Thanks!
I got my sweet Perry shipment. Looks great. And I also got flags for Richard as Duke and as King, and also for Lord Hastings. :)
Quote from: The Brain on May 19, 2020, 02:57:52 PM
I got my sweet Perry shipment. Looks great. And I also got flags for Richard as Duke and as King, and also for Lord Hastings. :)
Nice! I'm definitely looking forward to seeing those!
Interlude:
While I was waiting for the Perry shipment I started to paint some guys I've had primed for years. Hazmat guys by Copplestone, they are part of my Alien collection. I've had Copplestone guys painted up as Colonial Marines for a long time, and I have Alien models from the Alien vs Predator game (I don't use the human models from that game since they are not really compatible with 28mm figures). A good thing about the Alien universe is that lots of modern and near future models are suitable. I imagine these guys are more salvage crew or spaceship crew than soldiers (or their suits wouldn't be bright yellow). They can also stand in for guys in spacesuits, which may be relevant in a scenario where someone is trying to open an airlock for instance. I really like Copplestone's figures, nice and with the right amount of detail. Yellow can be a tricky color but I think it came out OK. I also tried an asphalt basing effect from Vallejo that I impulse bought at my FLGS. It's pretty nice, makes basing quicker and in some ways better.
(https://i.ibb.co/hVXgs01/Hazmat.jpg)
Brain, do you have a recommend miniature brand for French and Indian war figures?
Quote from: 11B4V on June 27, 2020, 05:22:08 PM
Brain, do you have a recommend miniature brand for French and Indian war figures?
While I haven't bought any FIW figures myself, I can tell you some stuff that I happen to know, which is about 28mm scale (my normal scale). General note: if buying models from different manufacturers it's good to check that they are reasonably the same size, and not just height but bulk, the test is of course "do they look OK next to each other?". If you find a manufacturer with a comprehensive range that you like and just buy everything from that manufacturer then of course you won't have to think about this.
Not in any special order:
North Star have some minis in their fairly small Muskets & Tomahawks range. I often buy stuff from North Star.
http://www.northstarfigures.com/list.php?man=290&page=1
Warlord Games have a fairly big range of FIW minis. I've bought other stuff from Warlord, they're a solid supplier. If I were going for a one-stop-shop FIW thing, I'd definitely consider Warlord.
https://store.warlordgames.com/collections/french-indian-war-1754-1763?page=1
Perry Miniatures may be the best manufacturer of historical minis in the world IMHO. My Wars of the Roses collection is based on Perry. They have an AWI range that may contain the odd bit of useful stuff for the FIW.
https://www.perry-miniatures.com/index.php?cPath=23_29&osCsid=ihveujs78qscqvh8ep57efou44
I learnt from Wargames Illustrated about Sash and Saber Castings, and the photos in the magazine looked good. They appear to have a big range. But apparently their website is stuck in the 90s, so I'd tread with caution.
http://www.sashandsaber.com/catalogFIW.php4
I'll give them a look, thanks.
I finished my command groups for Richard Gloucester and Lord Hastings. This way I can deftly remake my army based on the 1461 season into a 1471 army, since I am not absolutely anal about correct liveries. My plan is to expand the army with some specialist units and, depending on my energy, more troops both liveried and peasant militia type.
The banners are from CitadelSix, my earlier banners were from Little Big Men Studios. The CitadelSix banners are of brass (of course with transfers), so they are mechanically sturdy, but heavy. I had to switch banner bearers for Lord Hastings, the one with the smaller banner was supposed to have the big banner, but since he is plastic and the other is metal balance made it necessary to switch. The transfers were very fragile, color came off if you looked at it, but I managed to only have to repair some solid fields, I didn't have to paint Monkey Jesus. Note: I made a test banner first since the tech was new to me, this of course is always an important rule in miniature painting...
(https://i.ibb.co/R9NB350/Richard-Gloucester.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/1m7s4QB/Lord-Hastings.jpg)
What wind is there supposed to be? Seeing as the banners are straight and even. Should they not, for an anal man, look like this?
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/06/16/PFTC/bdc4449c-c4e7-45e9-8198-f8b2a3ada66c-Veterans_Plaza_service_flags.jpg?crop=1550,1163,x308,y182&quality=50&width=640)
BTW, I love your updates and want to see more.
Quote from: Threviel on July 27, 2020, 03:55:29 PM
What wind is there supposed to be? Seeing as the banners are straight and even. Should they not, for an anal man, look like this?
A very valid question. My earlier banners were fluttering in the wind a lot more, but I didn't dare bend these brass banners realistically since my main priority was not to fuck up the transfers (and having to order new transfers and wait for them to arrive...). So I sacrificed realism a bit for safety. I'm sure it's possible to get a good result but I didn't dare experiment.
Addendum: the square banners were, AFAIK, historically mounted in a way to make them always be fully extended in battle. So the above is primarily for the long banners.
Finished a bombard. Sieges of this kind weren't much of a thing in the WOTR, but there was some siege action on the Scottish border. And of course anything is possible on the tabletop. Medieval artillery is cool. :)
(https://i.ibb.co/P9zPzpp/Bombard2.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/xgyQCvz/Bombard1.jpg)
Quote from: 11B4V on June 27, 2020, 05:22:08 PM
Brain, do you have a recommend miniature brand for French and Indian war figures?
Way late for this but, back in the day, the Old Glory F&I stuff had us going for a long time. Very nice figures and very reasonably priced. The only downside is that you have to buy them in packs of 30 assorted figures. They mix with some 28mm lines (I think Front Rank was what we used) to add some variety and specialist figures. In particular, you want to use Front Rank horses even with Old Glory mounted figures because FR horses are just beautiful and OG are not.
Quote from: grumbler on August 11, 2020, 04:14:10 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on June 27, 2020, 05:22:08 PM
Brain, do you have a recommend miniature brand for French and Indian war figures?
Way late for this but, back in the day, the Old Glory F&I stuff had us going for a long time. Very nice figures and very reasonably priced. The only downside is that you have to buy them in packs of 30 assorted figures. They mix with some 28mm lines (I think Front Rank was what we used) to add some variety and specialist figures. In particular, you want to use Front Rank horses even with Old Glory mounted figures because FR horses are just beautiful and OG are not.
Thanks, I'm still mulling over which ones too get.
The latest issue of Wargames Illustrated has a Wars of the Roses theme, and includes a booklet of rules ("Never Mind The Billhooks"). :)
So lately I've been making a lot of terrain, with an eye toward 6mm gaming. I've been eyeing 6mm SF for years, and I got inspired a bit by reading some Battletech stuff (the giant robots themselves I find meh, but it's a pretty cool one-stop-shop system for fairly low-tech humans-only SF). I'm also thinking about doing 6mm historicals (win-win terrainwise), likely early 18th century. If anyone's interested in the terrain stuff I've done let me know and I might take some pics. Anywhoo, since last year I've had a bunch of unpainted orks, and I decided to do something with that. So I've painted a Squiggoth from Forge World (see pic below).
As always my aim is "KISS decent tabletop standard". The howdah is empty for now, and I might keep it that way for flexibility. Forge World used to make some guns that were made to fit the howdah, but they are OOP. I like the squiggoth model, it's big without being crazy big, and they put some thought into the design (there's a system for steering the beast using levers and rope/chain, the ladder can be stowed or deployed, the squiggoth looks like it could conceivably carry a lot of weight on its massive legs etc). I realize I didn't put a model next to it for scale, but the squiggoth is roughly two human-sized models tall (not including the howdah).
(https://i.ibb.co/Y7RH013/Squiggoth.jpg)
Whoa. That things pretty cool. I'd love to see the terrain, too!
Regarding terrain, let me start by saying that I recently got three mousepad-style 6'x4' gaming mats, concrete/asphalt, grasslands, and badlands/desert. I've been doing my terrain stuff with these in mind. I also have a bunch of ready-made hills etc that I don't bother taking pics of.
I painted a bunch of 6mm SF buildings, both "normal" and desert style. Paintjobs are very simple, if I ever feel the need to do more details I can always add them later. The pic is just some examples, I have a LOT more buildings. A good thing about 6mm is that you can have a lot of stuff without running into storage problems. The goo is gloss varnished, the rest matt varnished. I included a 28mm figure in the pic for comparison. The building on the upper left is modular "build-your-own" (one of many), so you don't always have the exact same buildings.
(https://i.ibb.co/4tHKdmM/Terrain-6mm-SF-buildings.jpg)
For woods I got some railway model trees, and based them in twos on big bases and singly on smaller bases. Examples below. Many rules systems differentiate between light and heavy woods, and a simple way to visualize this is just putting an extra tree on the big base. Pretty neat I think. The tree bases can be used "as is", but mainly my idea is to use them with the modular area stuff (see further below). The tree on the right is a very nice tree, I only have those based singly though because they are so big.
(https://i.ibb.co/svdW9X8/Terrain-6mm-woods.jpg)
Below you can see examples of my modular area system. The idea is to have a bunch of grasslands/desert flat areas of different shapes and sizes (plasticard cut to various shapes), and add smaller terrain bases on top to indicate what kind of terrain the whole area is. This way you can put models wherever you want without interfering with the game by just moving the smaller bases around (if needed, you can't put models on trees for instance) while the big area stays put. The smaller bases can of course also be used on their own. Many of the areas (not the smaller bases) have both a grasslands side and a desert side so you can just flip them over when you change your gaming mat (these irregular shapes aren't really great for urban terrain, so not having an asphalt side is fine). In the bottom row are (from left to right) swamp, rough ground (desert), rough ground (grasslands), and rubble (typically used when a building collapses). Some of the stuff works for any scale, the swamp for instance works just as fine in 28mm, the rough ground though doesn't (28mm rough ground would need bigger boulders and stuff). Another thing is that rough ground and rubble are designed to let models stand on top of them, they're not meant to look like totally realistic dioramas. The water in the swamp is gloss varnished.
(https://i.ibb.co/SmSQcSw/Terrain-system.jpg)
Finally we have a lake (grasslands or desert) and a small lake/oasis (desert). I'm quite pleased with how these came out. By using a very simple technique with just two shades of blue you actually get a sense of depth (the swamp water above is just one shade since it's supposed to be muddy). They actually look like they are deep lakes with clear water on a sunny day with blue sky (well they do to me). The water is gloss varnished.
(https://i.ibb.co/0YYRvDp/Terrain-lakes.jpg)
Making terrain pieces is pretty fun, you get a lot of result with limited effort, and it's not as fiddly as painting minis.
I've also got some other stuff, for instance some nice and cheap ready-made pieces of fire/smoke, using simple flickering electric candles and cotton-like smoke. Candle on you have fire and smoke, candle off you have just smoke (like a smoke barrage or drifting smoke from a fire). Looks nice (no pic, but trust me).
Those are great! What minis do you plan on running/have you run utilizing them? It looks like maybe the Epic scale Space Marine stuff would work? (If memory serves on their size). The desert ones give off a very Star Wars vibe to be. Probably due to Tatooine.
I finished the armored core of a generic 6mm SF army. I may add infantry and some support vehicles. 28mm figure shown for scale. Doing a 6mm army is a lot smaller investment of time (and money, and storage space) than a 28mm army... Since it's SF I wanted a ridiculously huge armored command vehicle. The model may be inspired by the Ogre of legend. These are all by Microworld Games in Joisey. I have a bunch of models from other manufacturers as well, I may make more 6mm armies from those. A nice thing about SF (and fantasy) is that you don't have to worry about minor differences in size between different manufacturers.
The colors of the landing pad are pretty "civilian" if you will, but there's two reasons for that. 1) you always want to be able to immediately tell what a model (or a big part of it) is when viewing it from "tabletop distance" say 3ft away, and 2) to break up the monotony.
(https://i.ibb.co/FgGvtVd/6mm-SF.jpg)
It seems like there can't be much ammunition stowed in those tanks. What games do you play with them?
None so far. Possible rules systems are Battletech, Dirtside 2, Strike Legion, and similar.
I did some IFVs and some infantry units for the army. Painting 6mm infantry is a nice change from 28mm, especially 6mm SF or modern. Just did a base of light grey, black wash, light grey highlight, pick out weapons and faces, done! Basing them is more work than painting them.
(https://i.ibb.co/4Mdfrg9/6mm-SF-2.jpg)
Then I did a second army. These models are from a mix of manufacturers, and the vehicles are all hovercraft (the first army was all tracked).
(https://i.ibb.co/1z9gy2z/6mm-SF-3.jpg)
I also did some aircraft, in a generic paint scheme to fit whatever army. The Osprey-equivalent not on a flying stand has landing gear out, and I think it might look great for "dressing" airports (the others are all without extended landing gear so have to be in flight). So now I have two armies, including some air support, and lots of terrain. Once Covid is done I just need to find a sucker to get a game going. Nice.
(https://i.ibb.co/WxxpkZ5/6mm-SF-5.jpg)
But wait! Is that... wormsign??!?
I recently got some Reaper Bones 28mm minis for Sword & Sorcery stuff (they would likely fit great with my Conan boardgame minis). Those Reaper models are great, and cheap. Awesome value. One of the models I got happened to be a giant worm, and it occurred to me that with SF desert terrain that worm would work as an even gianter worm in 6mm. I think it's pretty cool (and obviously it still works in 28mm). Also the desert infantry models gave off some Sardaukar vibes I thought.
(https://i.ibb.co/JvYspZ3/6mm-SF-4.jpg)
Solid work, very impressive :cheers:
Finished some more henchmen for my Inquisitor. Now to paint the Inquisitor himself...
Figures are not based yet, will be based when they're all done.
(https://i.ibb.co/4Z0Xh6x/InqHench.jpg)
Great stuff! "I just need to find a sucker to get a game going". Ah, isn't that always the inevitable catch with all of this? RPG systems, too. Hahaha. I've got some games still in the packaging that I haven't gotten to yet for lack of enough people wanting to play. I hope that some day I'll get to them though.
Now my Inquisitor is done, and all the guys based:
(https://i.ibb.co/rbfqq7v/Inq.jpg)
Top row, left to right:
Arco-Flagellant (for mindless close combat, just release his inhibitors and trigger the aggrostim)
Acolyte (the Inquisitor's apprentice)
Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus (Witch Hunters)
Chirurgeon (an excellent physician, he can keep you alive much longer than you thought possible)
Scribe (thoughtfully enhanced on the Inquisitor's orders so the scribe doesn't have to waste time on mundane matters like bathroom breaks or conventional meals)
Bottom row, left to right:
Death Cult Assassin (for subtle application of violence)
Preacher ("Imperial Dogma is my passion")
Veteran Imperial Guard Sergeant (conventional combat)
Crusader (defending the Inquisitor)
Pyro-Assistant (excels at a single but vital function of the Inquisition)
So I had a date over and she saw my Wars of the Roses army which I keep on a shelf. Her comment: "I'm fairly easily impressed, and right now I'm not impressed." :lol: :lol: :cry: :lol:
Wow. Did you thank her for her time and show her the door? That's a pretty shitty thing to say.
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on February 14, 2021, 01:13:38 PM
Wow. Did you thank her for her time and show her the door? That's a pretty shitty thing to say.
Dude, she was hot af. Plus there was zero malice.
Quote from: The Brain on February 14, 2021, 09:32:48 AM
So I had a date over and she saw my Wars of the Roses army which I keep on a shelf. Her comment: "I'm fairly easily impressed, and right now I'm not impressed." :lol: :lol: :cry: :lol:
At which point she showed you photos of her miniature 5th Century Greek Hoplites that were much more immaculately painted?
Quote from: Syt on February 14, 2021, 01:46:59 PM
Quote from: The Brain on February 14, 2021, 09:32:48 AM
So I had a date over and she saw my Wars of the Roses army which I keep on a shelf. Her comment: "I'm fairly easily impressed, and right now I'm not impressed." :lol: :lol: :cry: :lol:
At which point she showed you photos of her miniature 5th Century Greek Hoplites that were much more immaculately painted?
No. :(
Quote from: The Brain on February 14, 2021, 01:49:15 PM
Quote from: Syt on February 14, 2021, 01:46:59 PM
Quote from: The Brain on February 14, 2021, 09:32:48 AM
So I had a date over and she saw my Wars of the Roses army which I keep on a shelf. Her comment: "I'm fairly easily impressed, and right now I'm not impressed." :lol: :lol: :cry: :lol:
At which point she showed you photos of her miniature 5th Century Greek Hoplites that were much more immaculately painted?
No. :(
Just as well. Playing a 5th Century Greek Hoplite army against a Wars of the Roses army would have ruined the date.
Quote from: The Brain on February 14, 2021, 01:24:49 PM
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on February 14, 2021, 01:13:38 PM
Wow. Did you thank her for her time and show her the door? That's a pretty shitty thing to say.
Dude, she was hot af. Plus there was zero malice.
Did the rest of the date go well? And are you seeing her again?
Quote from: Jacob on February 23, 2021, 01:34:39 PM
Quote from: The Brain on February 14, 2021, 01:24:49 PM
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on February 14, 2021, 01:13:38 PM
Wow. Did you thank her for her time and show her the door? That's a pretty shitty thing to say.
Dude, she was hot af. Plus there was zero malice.
Did the rest of the date go well? And are you seeing her again?
I saw her a few times. But we both reached the conclusion that, even if we shared some important... tastes... we really had little in common otherwise, and parted ways amicably.
Quote from: The Brain on February 23, 2021, 01:41:31 PM
I saw her a few times. But we both reached the conclusion that, even if we shared some important... tastes... we really had little in common otherwise, and parted ways amicably.
To next time :cheers:
In the meantime, you can paint more minis.
Quote from: The Brain on February 23, 2021, 01:41:31 PMI saw her a few times. But we both reached the conclusion that, even if we shared some important... tastes... we really had little in common otherwise, and parted ways amicably.
For next time:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eu6SW78WYAA2cul?format=jpg&name=small)
:lmfao:
:lol: That's why I don't paint facial features on 28mm figures. Unless it is an actual deranged prostitute mini.
Quote from: The Brain on February 23, 2021, 04:10:28 PM
:lol: That's why I don't paint facial features on 28mm figures. Unless it is an actual deranged prostitute mini.
Is that a typical mini in your collection? :unsure:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 24, 2021, 11:52:56 PM
Quote from: The Brain on February 23, 2021, 04:10:28 PM
:lol: That's why I don't paint facial features on 28mm figures. Unless it is an actual deranged prostitute mini.
Is that a typical mini in your collection? :unsure:
No, it's a minority.
Painted some minis
(https://i.imgur.com/7r6DP6Q.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/MbFNabq.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/zEG9HvW.png)
There are a few more pictures here (https://miniaturefront.blogspot.com/2021/04/vikings-and-gaels-and-harpies-dwarf.html).
Quote from: The Brain on February 14, 2021, 09:32:48 AM
So I had a date over and she saw my Wars of the Roses army which I keep on a shelf. Her comment: "I'm fairly easily impressed, and right now I'm not impressed." :lol: :lol: :cry: :lol:
Napoloenics chicks are so picky.
Very nice minis, Jacob. :)
Quote from: The Brain on April 15, 2021, 12:22:37 AM
Very nice minis, Jacob. :)
Agreed. I especially like the light-colored beards and hair. Shields are sweet as well.
For years I've had a bunch of WW1 Germans (people may remember a very basic diorama I did some time ago). Now I plan to paint a gaming army, so I did a test model. My minis are from Great War Miniatures, and I really like them. Unfortunately GWM don't have late war French, but I have ordered late war British to have a second army. AFAIK there are no really great French late WW1 minis in 28mm.
I'm also getting some suitable WW1 terrain.
Note: I saw that the heel had lost some paint, fixed it after taking the pic.
(https://i.ibb.co/WxyXzJ4/German-WW1.jpg)
Quote from: The Brain on April 18, 2021, 10:05:20 AM
Unfortunately GWM don't have late war French, but I have ordered late war British to have a second army. AFAIK there are no really great French late WW1 minis in 28mm.
This discussion has some links to options as well as one that compares the various options that exist. Might be of interest. Also, amazing new work! Your minis are one of the reasons I still come back here on occasion.
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=456648
Quote from: grumbler on April 16, 2021, 08:54:29 AM
Agreed. I especially like the light-colored beards and hair. Shields are sweet as well.
Thanks!
I think transfers can look better, but I find transfers infinitely annoying to apply but I actually enjoy painting the shields. So freehand for the shields it is (though some of them have modelled details, of course).
@the Brain - I was looking at your modular terrain system - looking good. Where'd you get the bases for those?
Quote from: The Brain on April 18, 2021, 10:05:20 AM
For years I've had a bunch of WW1 Germans (people may remember a very basic diorama I did some time ago). Now I plan to paint a gaming army, so I did a test model. My minis are from Great War Miniatures, and I really like them. Unfortunately GWM don't have late war French, but I have ordered late war British to have a second army. AFAIK there are no really great French late WW1 minis in 28mm.
I'm also getting some suitable WW1 terrain.
Note: I saw that the heel had lost some paint, fixed it after taking the pic.
Very nice.
I am very clearly not a great wars nerd, because I would've thought that was a WWII German, not a WWI one (based on the helmet).
That is the Model 1916 German helmet which looks similar to the Model 1935 the WWII soldiers used. Remember this is a late war German soldier so they would be wearing that instead of the spike helmet the early war soldiers wore.
The unavailability of poilu minis is an outrage btw :mad:
Quote from: Jacob on April 18, 2021, 11:08:10 PM
@the Brain - I was looking at your modular terrain system - looking good. Where'd you get the bases for those?
The trees are on 50mm round bases from Renedra (they ended up on 50mm bases instead of 60mm basically by accident).
The other round bases (for swamp, rough terrain etc) are 60mm round old GW bases (they are thin just like Renedra, I'm not sure if GW still sells the exact same bases or if they are different now). I also have a bunch of 60mm round Renedra bases (Renedra is my go to for bases), but IIRC I haven't used them yet (still have a bunch of old GW 60mm in my stash).
The irregular "base areas" I cut from 1.5mm thick plasticard from a hobby shop (first time I worked with plasticard, it's a nice material).
Quote from: Valmy on April 18, 2021, 11:40:04 PM
The unavailability of poilu minis is an outrage btw :mad:
I agree. Painting an army is a big investment of effort, it's harder to summon the energy if you think the models are meh.
Quote from: Jacob on April 18, 2021, 11:09:52 PM
Quote from: The Brain on April 18, 2021, 10:05:20 AM
For years I've had a bunch of WW1 Germans (people may remember a very basic diorama I did some time ago). Now I plan to paint a gaming army, so I did a test model. My minis are from Great War Miniatures, and I really like them. Unfortunately GWM don't have late war French, but I have ordered late war British to have a second army. AFAIK there are no really great French late WW1 minis in 28mm.
I'm also getting some suitable WW1 terrain.
Note: I saw that the heel had lost some paint, fixed it after taking the pic.
Very nice.
I am very clearly not a great wars nerd, because I would've thought that was a WWII German, not a WWI one (based on the helmet).
Thanks! As Valmy said it's the M1916 steel helmet. IIRC it was first used by troops attacking at Verdun in early 1916, and then rolled out generally. So they're basically good for the years 1916-1918. My aim for the army is to be Verdun-compatible, at least looks-wise (I'm not anal about equipment). So no intricate camouflage patterns that are associated with 1918 (also, they don't make for easy and quick painting).
Edit: Steel helmets are also the main reason WW1 minis have to be divided into early and late war, for all three armies (German, French, and British). There were other developments in equipment of course, but the helmets are so extremely obvious.
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on April 18, 2021, 02:29:07 PM
Quote from: The Brain on April 18, 2021, 10:05:20 AM
Unfortunately GWM don't have late war French, but I have ordered late war British to have a second army. AFAIK there are no really great French late WW1 minis in 28mm.
This discussion has some links to options as well as one that compares the various options that exist. Might be of interest. Also, amazing new work! Your minis are one of the reasons I still come back here on occasion.
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=456648
Thanks!
It would be great if one of the modern quality manufacturers did a late war French line. Should happen some day.
Finished a basic German army. I have some more stuff I can add to it if/when I want, but now I at least have a reasonable force. Simple paint jobs, but I'm very pleased with the army, and it was quick and fun to paint.
Command Group (if anyone wonders why there's little color on the officer caps, feldgrau covers were used at the front)
Infantry platoon w/ gasmasks (or company, depending on the force scale)
Infantry platoon w/o gasmasks
Stormtrooper squad (or platoon)
Grenade Launcher
Heavy Machine Gun
Sniper
Mortar
Flamethrower team
(https://i.ibb.co/tbkYCqH/Ger-Command.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/GMTtQYB/Ger-Platoon1.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/7gGgXWf/Ger-Platoon2.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/8xWzyck/Ger-Stormtroopers.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/1Jh2Ccd/GerMisc.jpg)
I haven't decided yet what to do next. I have a British army that I can paint, also from Great War Miniatures. However, Wargames Atlantic are about to release a plastic box of late WW1 French which will probably be good, and they should be very size compatible with GWM minis, so I might wait for that and then do a French army (probably with some Brigade Games minis for special stuff). I could also do some WW1 terrain while waiting for the French (or as a break before I do the British army), I got a bunch of ready to use stuff but also stuff that needs painting etc.
Oh, and I also got appropriate headgear for French and German players. I don't have a British helmet. Yet.
(https://i.ibb.co/WDbZdy9/IMG-1930.jpg)
I decided to do some terrain. I have painted a LOT of WW1 terrain, now I definitely have enough for an 8'x4' table. What's in the pic are just examples, I have a LOT more craters, hills, mud, barbed wire, trenches, bunkers, blasted trees and what not. The trench section bottom right is a Ziterdes piece, I have enough different various pieces to build an intricate trench system. This is obviously terrain for a classic moonscape WW1 battle, which many were during major offensives where the artillery had obliterated any sense of normalcy. For war of movement or surprise attacks normal grass terrain and trees of course are fine, and I already have those.
The ruined house is from 4Ground. I really like 4Ground, they make great prepainted laser cut MDF buildings. They look good, engineering is great, and they're fun and quick to assemble. They really make great use of the material. And the price is nice.
(https://i.ibb.co/7gXxDZR/WW1-Terrain.jpg)
Painting terrain is fun, it's quick and you don't have to be precise to get good results. For the earth tone I used craft store acrylics, they are cheaper and come in bigger containers, and they are better suited to painting large surfaces.
I have pre-ordered some plastic French from Wargames Atlantic, and ordered some specialist French figures from Brigade Models and others.
And also I got a helmet for the British player! It's a MkII WW2 era helmet that has been reconfigured as a MkI WW1 era helmet (the French and German ones are 100% modern replicas).
(https://i.ibb.co/dcRqBnw/WW1-British-Helmet.jpg)
It's interesting to compare the three different helmets. The French feels kind of flimsy, but it looks pretty cool and of course appeared early which was important when every month counted. The British one isn't very sexy, and there's no protection on the sides which makes you feel kind of vulnerable. The German one feels nice, and I think one WW1 veteran writes about the sense of safety it provided. Of course the German one is the most modern looking, so in that sense the basic design has stood the test of time.
Digging the terrain and helmets. That building looks great! I might need to scope out their line if I ever do more in person rp again using minis.
I got inspired by assembling the ruined buildings, so I decided to build my Dark Age 4Ground buildings I've had for some years. Great fun. The houses have interior details and lift-off roofs. Doors can be opened and closed. The biggest house has two floor. The thatch is fur styled with diluted PVA glue.
There was a problem with one of the small houses though, the one with the, er... thing on the roof. It came with some wrong parts so it has no interior detail and the roof can be forced on or off but not lifted on or off. So the exterior is fine (the most important thing), but I won't put figures in it.
(https://i.ibb.co/48Mpn7Y/Medieval-Houses.jpg)
Brain, I haven't said this enough - this is great stuff and very much like seeing and reading about your work. Hat's off to you.
Quote from: PDH on September 01, 2021, 11:10:58 AM
Brain, I haven't said this enough - this is great stuff and very much like seeing and reading about your work. Hat's off to you.
Thank you! :)
It's always nice when I've finished something to take pics and post them here. A sense of accomplishment.
Sweet! I found another Dark Age house in my stash. It's a bigger version of the house with the thing, but this one has all the correct parts so will have detailed interior and lift-off roof. Nice.
I have some Sarissa buildings with teddy fur for thatch, but they look a bit naff. The fur is too long (so I'm going to trim it), and I haven't "styled" it. Can you tell me a bit about the "styling with diluted PVA glue" process, because I'm a bit worried about fucking it up.
Also, Dark Ages... love it. What systems and minis are you likely to use the buildings with?
Quote from: Jacob on September 01, 2021, 08:23:07 PM
I have some Sarissa buildings with teddy fur for thatch, but they look a bit naff. The fur is too long (so I'm going to trim it), and I haven't "styled" it. Can you tell me a bit about the "styling with diluted PVA glue" process, because I'm a bit worried about fucking it up.
Also, Dark Ages... love it. What systems and minis are you likely to use the buildings with?
I basically followed the instructions that came with the buildings. After gluing the fur in place I left it overnight before doing the styling. Using 50/50 PVA glue/water mix and an old big (model brush big, not paint real houses big) flat brush I started applying the mix, fairly liberally, to the roof, starting at the top and working my way down. While applying it I also shaped the fur top to bottom, to make it reasonably even and get that "flowing downwards" look. I made sure to get the mix at the edges of the fur to avoid any "untreated" hairs hanging out. When done I let it dry overnight. I could also use some scissors to trim the fur but I haven't felt the need here, and I'm happy with a somewhat "rough" look (it's fucking Dark Ages man).
I think it's very hard to fuck up, so my advice is go for it. My original plan was to do one house and then wait and see the results, but after doing the first I felt confident enough to do the rest as well in one go. The mix takes hours to dry so there is plenty of time to fix the look until you're happy with it. Of course the mix is a milky white in color, but that "dries away".
The instructions called for an old toothbrush. Maybe the results would be even better if I had used one, you might get a better "combing" effect (or not), but I didn't have one and I'm happy with the results. When I found the new house though Earlier Me had stashed an old toothbrush with it, so I'll try it on this house. Thanks, Earlier Me!
Here's a pic for comparison, on the right is the new house I found that I haven't styled yet (this might be of interest to other readers, you know what teddy fur looks like).
(https://i.ibb.co/GT6nVkJ/Houses-Comparison.jpg)
As for rules and minis... I've ordered some Victrix plastic figures (Vikings, Saxons, and Normans), they've gotten great reviews so I look forward to getting my hands on them. I also already have about 20 painted Foundry Vikings, and the same number of Foundry Normans. However, the Vikings are more "movielike" than I feel like going for now, and the Normans are the old 25mm sculpts that aren't compatible with modern 28mm figures (they are nice figures with character, I suppose they might be Perry sculpts, but too small for this modern era). I also have a box of plastic Gripping Beast Dark Age Warriors I can build, they may be good for poorer fighters, and could be fielded both as Saxons and Vikings.
The past days I've looked through relevant rules in my collection. There's SAGA by Tomahawk, Blood Eagle by The Ministry of Gentlemanly Warfare, Deus Vult Burn And Loot: Wrath of the Norsemen by Fireforge, Age of Blood by Wargamesjournal, Lords & Servants by Dadi&Piombo, Montjoie! by Two Hour Wargames (not really Dark Age though), and BattleLust by Columbia Games (the tabletop slimmed down version of the Hârnmaster combat system).
I also have the Hârnmaster RPG, and I recently started reading the books. It's a very nice setting, Hârn itself is essentially a low fantasy British Isles equivalent in the 9th-14th centuries, with a focus on 11th-12th century. I mentally include Hârn in my Dark Age (late Dark Age...) project (I might do some goblins and stuff in addition to the historical stuff).
Nice! Thank you for the before and after pictures.
And yeah the Victrix minis look just lovely. I've been coveting them for a while. I have about 200 (!) of the Foundry ones and I agree they're a bit... uh.. film-like in many cases. And yeah, I also have a bunch of Normans and they are smaller. The Normans look alright with the Conquest plastic Norman cavalry I have, though.
Are all the 200 painted?
I can report that a toothbrush is a slightly better tool than a brush (but the difference is minor).
Quote from: The Brain on September 02, 2021, 09:45:01 AM
Are all the 200 painted?
:lmfao: :cry:
I have 25 painted metal vikings, with a little more than half being Foundry and the remainder old school Citadel. I haven't updated the blog in my link for a while, but most of them are there. You've probably seen them, since I post to this thread too :D
The proportion of painted to unpainted minis is for me... uhm... quite low.
QuoteI can report that a toothbrush is a slightly better tool than a brush (but the difference is minor).
Good tip. I have a few sacrificial toothbrushes available.
I may have some unpainted minis as well. :)
I got my first delivery of Victrix stuff. Saxons. They come in a 60-pack, 2 command sprues and 6 warrior sprues. I assembled som minis from the command sprue (or rather 7 out of a total of 12 figures possible with 2 command sprues, there are 6 guys per sprue):
(https://i.ibb.co/ZYLny5z/Saxons-Command-Sprue.jpg)
I must say these are excellent figures, the reviews were right. They look awesome and have a lot of character. Detail is crisp, mold lines are faint. You have to pay attention when assembling them, different arms etc go with different bodies, you can't just put guys together randomly. Which is a good thing, this means that the figures have actual poses and not generic slightly unnatural stances. On the command sprue every body has two different options for arms/weapons and heads. On the warrior sprue I think it might be slightly more flexible, but it's still important to check that you pick a correct part for a certain body. There are both round shields and teardrop shields, in the grand tradition of wargaming I will probably let the Saxons have only round shields so they don't look like Normans on the table. The round shields come in several different sizes, which is pretty cool, you can pick freely which size you want for a guy with shield, they are not molded onto the arm. Everyone having the exact same size shield may be great for Roman Legionaries, but hardly for Dark Age warriors.
The cross was originally facing to the monk's right, likely for technical production reasons. Cutting it off and repositioning it to face forward was a very simple and quick procedure though.
I likely won't use all 60 guys, unlike my Wars of the Roses army my Dark Age forces won't be made for mass battle with skirmish as an option, but purely for skirmish gaming. And these figures certainly have enough individual character for skirmish models.
I think that these Victrix figures are at least as good as Perry plastics. This is high praise.
Awh man... I've been eyeing the Victrix stuff for a while but with my painting speed... and they're typically 60! in a box.
I'm interested in the Saxon/ Norman/ Vikings (as usual). I also want some of the various Celts (mostly for fantasy purposes). I'm also pretty infatuated with the Carthaginian Elephants and Celtic Chariots as well, even though I have no specific gaming use for them.
But right now I've been buying a fair bit of Oathmark minis (which come in a more reasonable 30 minis a box) and that's probably already too much. And there are other great manufacturers also. It's a really great time to be into minis, that's for sure.
While waiting for my Anglo-Saxon shield transfers to arrive I painted this Anglo-Saxon bard. He likes his broadsword and his cross of gold. It is said that his song can inspire the eagles in the sky.
Obviously this is not from the Victrix plastics. It's a model by Stronghold Terrain.
(https://i.ibb.co/9tzMb5k/Anglo-Saxon-Bard.jpg)
I got my shield transfers!
So this is the heart of a Saxon warband. There are no archers on the sprues (which makes sense), so I have ordered some metal Saxon archers from Warlord. Shield transfers and banner are by Little Big Men, they make the best transfers IMHO. I used them for my Wars of the Roses army. Their transfers look good, are easy to apply, and are not super delicate like many transfers.
I've kept the colors of the clothes fairly uniform and muted, partly to keep the painting process as simple as possible, and partly to let the shields provide color and detail.
(https://i.ibb.co/XyfSTwC/Saxons1.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/MSrFkJR/Saxons2.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/vzKDgnP/Saxons3.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/JpMYRM8/Saxons4.jpg)
While waiting for the transfers I also painted some metal Norman archers from Warlord. They are simple figures with no unnecessary detail, which makes them great for "extras" like archers. They are also generic enough that they could count as Saxon or Viking in a pinch until I have those archers done. Like I mentioned above I have ordered Saxon archers, and I have also ordered Viking archers. These will be roughly similar to the Norman ones but with facial hair and some variations in headgear.
(https://i.ibb.co/xX1p4P5/Normans1.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/J7HSvF2/Normans2.jpg)
:)
Special Feature
In case anyone is interested I took some pics while painting, and I thought I'd post a step by step of how I paint. NB this is not best practice, this is just my way of painting that I think gives decent results and that I'm comfortable with.
General principles: A) I paint from the outside in, ie begin with outer layers/equipment and "paint my way in". This is not an ironclad rule, I deviate from it when it's convenient for some reason, and of course the same item can be both over and under other stuff on the figure. When painting several figures I always try to do one paint step for all figs at the same time, even if there are slight differences in preferred painting order between the figures. The reason I paint outside in is that I find it easier to get a nice clean result this way, even if it can get fiddly trying to put paint in between already painted surfaces. B) I use washes on pretty much everything. Washes are basically diluted paint that settles in recesses and give a sense of depth and shadow, and also hide imperfections at the places differenty painted surfaces meet. C) I often, but not always, drybrush or highlight an area after having used a wash. To make details pop more. This highlight may be quite subtle though and doesn't always photograph well.
Most of the paints I use are Vallejo. Unless otherwise indicated all my paints are from Vallejo.
(https://i.ibb.co/FgXNzPk/Paint1.jpg)
1. After assembling the plastic figure I prime the whole thing using Matt Surface Primer Grey (from Green Stuff World). Then I paint all leather items Beastly Brown. As you can see I don't worry at all about avoiding getting paint on other surfaces that will be painted later (if anything I want to avoid the primer ever showing through between colors). I only care about this if I'm painting a dark color near a surface that I know will be very light (getting good coverage of the lighter color can get harder if the surface is dark), but this is not the rule.
2. Next I paint the wooden inside of the shield Leather Brown, and give it a wash of Agrax Earthshade (from Games Workshop). I do this now because it's hard to paint this later when other surfaces are already done without getting paint on them.
3. Paint all metal objects except the blade of the sword Gunmetal. Note: I missed two objects on the belt, and corrected this in step 10 below.
4. Wash the leather and metal parts with Nuln Oil (GW).
(https://i.ibb.co/HTTLygk/Paint2.jpg)
5. Paint clothes German Camouflage Beige WW2.
6. Paint "puttees" Khaki.
7. Wash clothes and puttees with Agrax Earthshade (GW).
8. Paint skin Pale Flesh.
(https://i.ibb.co/qJw32ZZ/Paint3.jpg)
9. Wash skin with Ogryn Flesh (GW).
10. Paint swordblade Chainmail Silver (I was temporarily out so in reality a 50/50 mix of Gunmetal and Silver). Note: I don't use a wash on the blade, to keep a clean look. Paint moustache Flat Brown. At this point I also drybrush/highlight the different areas, clothes with the same color I painted them with (the wash will have darkened the areas a bit), metal parts with Chainmail Silver (ersatz version, see above), leather parts with Parasite Brown, skin with Off-White.
11. Paint the part of the shield that will be covered by transfer white using Matt Surface Primer White (GSW). Apply the transfer according to instructions. You can't really see in the pic but I try to align the transfer so up is up on the shield. What is up can only be determined by looking at the back of the shield how the hand is holding it. The model itself is now done, all that is left is basing and varnishing.
(https://i.ibb.co/wCwGt2n/Paint4.jpg)
12. Apply PVA glue to the base, sprinkle rougher grains on some places, then dip in fine sand.
13: After the glue has dried I fix the sand using diluted PVA glue. Let that dry, and then paint the base Bonewhite. Give it a heavy wash of Agrax Earthshade.
14. Drybrush base with Ivory. Paint the side of the base Flat Earth ( :tinfoil: ). Varnish the entire figure with Matt Varnish. Glue some tufts of grass from Gamer's Grass to the base using PVA glue. Done!
Do you use any products for the transfers? I've used transfers a bit, but they stand out a bit too much from certain angles that I'm not keen on using them regularly....
That is really good Brain
Awesome information! Thank you!
Look at the brain on that... er.. Brain!
Thank you everyone! :)
@Jacob: I don't use any products when applying the transfers. Little Big Men transfers are a bit different from standard transfers, and are applied a bit differently. After application though the transfers get a layer of Matt Varnish with the rest of the figure, this takes away the shininess (well almost all of it, the shields are still flat surfaces, you get some light reflection at certain angles...).
Thanks a lot for this! I've been toying with painting a few tabletop minis myself, but it always felt a bit daunting. You made it look a bit more approachable for a newb.
Finished Normans from the command sprue. Just like the Saxons you can make 12 guys from the two command sprues, for the Normans I made 10.
(https://i.ibb.co/zf6vmxz/Normans3.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/M8NBdwW/Normans4.jpg)
Looking nice... tempting me to take the plunge for some of the Victrix minis but really i should paint what I have.....
Paint and tell. :)
Very nice work Brain!
I played my first Age of Sigmar game last Monday. Really, really tempted to collect and paint a small army. Those fancy new high elves perhaps ...
Quote from: Iormlund on September 27, 2021, 02:56:39 AM
Very nice work Brain!
I played my first Age of Sigmar game last Monday. Really, really tempted to collect and paint a small army. Those fancy new high elves perhaps ...
Thanks. Sounds cool. Go for it! :)
Went to a local shop, got a few archers to start with and joined the whatssap group.
Now I need a colour scheme for my army. My necrons are supossed to be bluish black and coppery rust (still very much WIP). I want to do something very different. So maybe white-red-gold for the elves?
https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/warhammer-mini-thunderhawk-record-sale/
QuoteOne of Warhammer 40K's rarest minis just sold for a record-breaking $35,000
All aboard the 20lb Thunderhawk.
In Warhammer 40,000 lore, the Thunderhawk gunship is one of the Adeptus Astartes' best means of providing Space Marine transport and firing support. In the tabletop world, the 1997 all-metal models (big enough to actually fit a kill team) are one of the rarest miniatures, normally worth anywhere from $2,000 to $10,000. Warhammer YouTuber Emil "Squidmar" Nyström just set a new record, selling one he assembled and painted for a whopping $35,000 USD/£25,600 GBP on eBay.
One of only 500 made, Nystrom began charting the history of the Thunderhawk mini back in February, when he acquired one from a man in Sweden who never took it out of the box to assemble. :ph34r: Nystrom even got in touch with the original creator of the model, who says he was assigned the task as a sort of test for future work with Games Workshop.
"I had never made a miniature in my life before. That was my first stab at making a metal model ever," the creator, referenced only as "Tim" said. Tim had only six months to design and cast the model for GW's annual convention, finding time in the evenings after his day job to make progress.
The whole package, including a fancy wooden chest with Aquila markings and certificate of ownership, weighs in at 22lbs. Even for Nystrom, who's made his career out of working with Warhammer 40,000 minis, the instructions for the all-metal model are extensively complicated.
Back in the '90s, the Thunderhawk cost a generous (even by Warhammer standards) $650, or $1,050 when adjusted for inflation. They were made before lighter, cheaper plastic became the norm for Games Workshop models. The result is 204 pieces of metal, many of which individually weigh as much as an entire modern Warhammer kit box. To add insult to injury, the points of contact on the model are totally flat (basically where one bit is supposed to be glued to another), making it a challenging assembly even for seasoned vets.
Who's the lucky buyer? The owners of a hobby shop in Melbourne, Australia named The House of War.
"We figured we were purchasing a piece of history," said shop co-owner Riordone Treylourne, who actually purchased not one, but two additional Thunderhawk miniatures that they plan to assemble and display in their store.
"When we come out of lockdown, it'll be really something to share with the community," Treylourne said. "Particularly in Australia. We're a bit backwater when it comes to gaming stuff. One of our goals is to increase awareness of the gaming community in Australia."
As someone who's had to help a friend lug around several briefcases full of Space Marines, I can appreciate that Nystrom spent an additional $500 to get a custom case and foam padding to transport the model across international waters. Nystrom said the case could be dropped from a maximum of 300 meters and still not damage the model inside.
If you don't have $35,000 laying around for some beefy space bros, try your hand at Games Workshop's relatively new subscription service or buy the plastic version of the Thunderhawk for about $770. You could also fill your shelves with the best Warhammer 40,000 books, or fill your Steam library with the best Warhammer 40,000 videogames.
(https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/XK9trreZxPrf75rVW8dhpR-970-80.jpg)
I saw the video of it before it sold. :smarty:
The pic is not that model though. Looks like the present day offering from ForgeWorld. :nerd:
Finished Normans from the warrior sprue. There are 8 bodies to a sprue, I made 6 guys. The armored monk isn't a Victrix figure, he's a Fireforge guy. I thought since the Saxons got a religious figure the Normans can get one too. I saw after taking the pic that his cross needed some touching up, so I did that.
So now a basic Norman warband is done, since I already have the Norman archers. :)
(https://i.ibb.co/rQXgDqR/Normans5.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/ZzxfJg0/Normans6.jpg)
Finished some Saxon archers. These are the same kind of simple models as the Norman archers. Now a basic Saxon warband is done too. Progress!
(https://i.ibb.co/bXx4Qx1/Saxons5.jpg)
Nice!
I just picked up Five Parsecs From Home and now I'm considering buying all sorts of Sci-Fi minis I won't paint, and supplies for terrain I won't scratch build.
Quote from: Jacob on October 04, 2021, 12:31:18 PM
Nice!
I just picked up Five Parsecs From Home and now I'm considering buying all sorts of Sci-Fi minis I won't paint, and supplies for terrain I won't scratch build.
It sure is a great hobby. :)
Finished Vikings from the command sprue.
There were some options to make some of them berserkers or ulfhednar, but I have other models planned for that.
(https://i.ibb.co/wRswx70/Vikings1.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/NyL1hRC/Vikings2.jpg)
Finished Vikings from the warrior sprue.
(https://i.ibb.co/TKxppf7/Vikings3.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/WsbwTs8/Vikings4.jpg)
Nice!
What paints are you using?
Mostly Vallejo. Anything in particular that makes you ask? :)
Quote from: The Brain on October 13, 2021, 03:33:21 PM
Mostly Vallejo. Anything in particular that makes you ask? :)
Mostly I ask to keep the conversation and thread going even though I don't have any pictures to contribute :D
I mostly have Vallejo as well, though I use a Citadel's contrast paints a fair bit as well.
Quote from: Jacob on October 13, 2021, 07:25:15 PM
Quote from: The Brain on October 13, 2021, 03:33:21 PM
Mostly Vallejo. Anything in particular that makes you ask? :)
Mostly I ask to keep the conversation and thread going even though I don't have any pictures to contribute :D
I mostly have Vallejo as well, though I use a Citadel's contrast paints a fair bit as well.
I still use some Citadel stuff. I've never really tried their "new" system, even if I buy the odd pot. When I started painting again as an adult in 2004 I bought the mega pack with all Citadel paints, and that was the core of my paint collection for several years.
Anywhoo...
I started assembling some new Viking minis. They're from V&V Miniatures in Ukraine, and they're frigging gorgeous. I knew they would be good from the pics at their site, but in person... Wow. They are resin figures, with awesome detail and sculpting. Unpainted they look like beautiful marble statues that you almost don't want to ruin by splashing paint on them. They come with 25mm round bases that are a bit thicker than the Renedra ones I use, which is perfect since these figures don't have an integral base like most plastic or metal figures. The thicker bases will make them be at the same height as the other minis, which is nice.
It's worth checking out their range, for those who haven't already: https://vminiatures.com/ They have a nice collection of mostly Dark Age but also some Ancients and Medievals. There are dealers in the EU, UK, and US for people who don't feel like ordering from Ukraine (their service is excellent though).
An example:
(https://i.ibb.co/8YfXcZV/Example-VV-Miniatures.jpg)
Oooh... thanks for the tip. Added to my list.
Finished some Viking archers. So now a basic Viking warband is done as well.
(https://i.ibb.co/41hqj6K/Vikings5.jpg)
Since Normans, Saxons, and Vikings look not completely dissimilar I have marked the bottom of the bases of all models with a sharpie S for Saxon etc. Of course if they look the same it doesn't really matter, but I like to know what they're supposed to be without having to think.
Never opened this thread before. Wow, nice job guys. :)
I'd like to get into miniatures gaming but I don't know if I will be.... er, allowed to take up all the space. :blush:
Quote from: Caliga on October 15, 2021, 03:44:00 PM
Never opened this thread before. Wow, nice job guys. :)
I'd like to get into miniatures gaming but I don't know if I will be.... er, allowed to take up all the space. :blush:
If you were allowed, what kind of miniature gaming would it be? :)
Quote from: Caliga on October 15, 2021, 03:44:00 PM
Never opened this thread before. Wow, nice job guys. :)
I'd like to get into miniatures gaming but I don't know if I will be.... er, allowed to take up all the space. :blush:
My eyesight for this went about a decade ago - too much masturbation I guess...or not enough. I live vicariously through this thread.
Quote from: The Brain on October 15, 2021, 03:48:56 PM
If you were allowed, what kind of miniature gaming would it be? :)
I like your Viking/Saxon miniatures.
Quote from: Caliga on October 16, 2021, 10:19:37 AM
Quote from: The Brain on October 15, 2021, 03:48:56 PM
If you were allowed, what kind of miniature gaming would it be? :)
I like your Viking/Saxon miniatures.
Flattery
and dodge? You'll go far, son. :)
But seriously, cool and thanks.
Some Viking reinforcements. These are all V&V Miniatures. They are great sculpts, a better painter would do them justice in a way I cannot. My only nitpick is that the shieldmaiden's feet are as big as the men's. My guess is the sculptor used some feet he had around ("feet is feet").
(https://i.ibb.co/RpWBDrj/Vikings6.jpg)
I couldn't resist this Odin figure from Footsoore Miniatures. I like the portrayal of the Weary Wanderer leaning on his spear, an old man but still tall and powerful. I'm not a huge fan of the eyepatch, an item that isn't associated with Odin, but I suppose it's a way to make obvious in 28mm scale that he has only one eye. I noticed after taking the pic that he had lost some paint on his spear and pants during basing, so I've fixed that. I added the wolves from Warlord Games. They have gotten a very basic even grey fur, because I'm not gonna attempt to paint realistic fur.
The reason I painted him is that I have a vague idea of having religious effects available to the warbands, different for every religion, and all illustrated by some kind of model to put on the table. Possibly bought as a Stratagem, or maybe "summoned" by a religious model (priest or similar). The Vikings could for instance get an Odin Is Watching effect, maybe a random combat bonus that is likely to be positive but can be negative since Odin is fickle and is collecting warriors for Valhalla. So you place Odin somewhere on the table to remind you of the effect. If I'm feeling really granular the effect could in theory have different strengths illustrated by the number of wolves (0-2) also present. In a historical setting the religious effects can be considered purely psychological, but in a low fantasy setting the effects could conceivably get more fantastical.
(https://i.ibb.co/XYPK6Mx/Vikings7.jpg)
The start of an Irish warband. These are V&V Minis.
The Irish are likely to be called on to Count As Scots or whatever if the need arises. Unless I spot some cool figs of course...
(https://i.ibb.co/GVgWNMm/Irish1.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/j64Fhvc/Irish2.jpg)
Nice as usual :cheers:
You decided against shield transfers on the Irish / Scots/ Scots-Irish?
I've slowly been painting a few more minis. I'll share when I reach a decent number (and get around to take photos).
Yeah, Little Big Men don't do transfers for V&V Minis (yet...?). And the Irish aren't known (to me) for any special shield design that you feel honor-bound to represent. And as a virtue out of necessity a lack of transfers makes the figs a bit more generic and thus more flexible (when you don't paint intricate stuff by hand which I don't). If I really wanted to I could try to find some transfers (for other figs) that fit some of the shields okayish, but I decided against this.
Share when you're comfortable. :)
Some Irish slingers, and a priest. The priest is from Stronghold Terrain, but my impression is that it's a Brother Vinni sculpt (sold legally by Stronghold). I decided not to include his flowing cape.
(https://i.ibb.co/Ph5SjGY/Irish3.jpg)
Some more Irish. I now have a basic Irish warband finished as well. Nice.
I glued a piece of metal under the base of the standard bearer for better balance. He could stand up without it, but better safe than sorry. The resin figures are very light.
(https://i.ibb.co/jz16Brs/Irish4.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/rwgn21R/Irish5.jpg)
So apparently this was a necessary clarification?
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/19/the-imperium-is-driven-by-hate-warhammer-is-not/
(all emphasis theirs)
QuoteThe Imperium Is Driven by Hate. Warhammer Is Not.
There are no goodies in the Warhammer 40,000 universe.
None.
Especially not the Imperium of Man.
Its numberless legions of soldiers and zealots bludgeon their way across the galaxy, delivering death to anyone and anything that doesn't adhere to their blinkered view of purity. Almost every man and woman toils in misery either on the battlefield – where survival is measured in hours – or in the countless manufactorums and hive slums that fuel the Imperial war machine. All of this in slavish servitude to the living corpse of a God-Emperor whose commandments are at best only half-remembered, twisted by time and the fallibility of Humanity.
Warhammer 40,000 isn't just grimdark. It's the grimmest, darkest.
The Imperium of Man stands as a cautionary tale of what could happen should the very worst of Humanity's lust for power and extreme, unyielding xenophobia set in. Like so many aspects of Warhammer 40,000, the Imperium of Man is satirical.
For clarity: satire is the use of humour, irony, or exaggeration, displaying people's vices or a system's flaws for scorn, derision, and ridicule. Something doesn't have to be wacky or laugh-out-loud funny to be satire. The derision is in the setting's amplification of a tyrannical, genocidal regime, turned up to 11. The Imperium is not an aspirational state, outside of the in-universe perspectives of those who are slaves to its systems. It's a monstrous civilisation, and its monstrousness is plain for all to see.
That said, certain real-world hate groups – and adherents of historical ideologies better left in the past – sometimes seek to claim intellectual properties for their own enjoyment, and to co-opt them for their own agendas.
We've said it before, but a reminder about what we believe in:
"We believe in and support a community united by shared values of mutual kindness and respect. Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. We will never accept nor condone any form of prejudice, hatred, or abuse in our company, or in the Warhammer hobby."
If you come to a Games Workshop event or store and behave to the contrary, including wearing the symbols of real-world hate groups, you will be asked to leave. We won't let you participate. We don't want your money. We don't want you in the Warhammer community.
For those heroes out there running their own Warhammer events, we'd love for you to join us in this stance.
Over the years, we've been fortunate enough to support events like AdeptiCon, the Las Vegas Open, Blood & Glory, and many, many more with terrain, prizes, and goody bags. We've also provided staff to help with organisation and rules queries, and to judge painting competitions and run seminars.
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12 y/o SS fanbois aren't the sharpest tools in the box. :(
Apparently this is what prompted it. Guy with the name "Austrian Painter" shows up to a WH40K event in Spain, wearing nazi symbols:
https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/games-workshop-fights-back-against-fascist-hate-symbols-in-the-warhammer-40k-community/
1 Nazi nutjob in 800 players is a pretty good ratio, at least. Though it seems the organizers were sympathetic.
1 *overt* nutjob. :P
A man's bedroom is his palace.
Since I now have 4 warbands that cover most major players in the British Isles I thought I'd do some other stuff that may be useful.
I built a Viking house from 4Ground. The other houses I have are fairly generic, but it's nice to also have a house that says "Viking". It came with a table and some benches (not all benches shown). I've also built some fences from 4Ground.
(https://i.ibb.co/bLq5XHc/Viking-House1.jpg)
I've also done some animals. They can serve as warband members, dangers, loot, or simply randomly moving obstacles. The bears are from Reaper, the wolves are WizKids, the boar and pigs are Foundry, the goat and sheep are from Warlord's Farmyard Animals box, and the dogs are from Wargames Atlantic's Dark Age Irish box. Some animals are fairly easy to find models for, a goat is pretty much a goat in any era. Pigs however are a different matter. You can't put a modern pig in a Dark Age setting, it will look weird. I was glad I found the Foundry pigs, since I've always liked medieval pigs and the way they are depicted in medieval art. I didn't use the cows from the Warlord box, I wasn't sure they'd look Dark Age enough. I have seen some Dark Age cow models, but I wasn't a big fan of the sculpting. So cows might be added later, but not right now.
(https://i.ibb.co/s3W5pHC/Animals1.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/wwrTF38/Animals2.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/J3ZyGp6/Animals3.jpg)
I don't think the melee between the wolves and the sheep in the last panel will be very fair. :(
Tabletop gaming isn't fair. It is red in tooth and claw.
I did some more terrain stuff. Since camps can be a likely setting for a battle I painted some Saxon Tents from Renedra (only one shown, there's four on a sprue). I also did some runestones from Fenris (I did check the gift shop at the Swedish History Museum, but their runestones were too big for 28mm). I have this idea that I want some terrain pieces that "place" the battlefield. For instance if there is a runestone the battle takes place in the Viking homelands. These runestone I just based as they came from the supplier. When runestones were new they were painted in strong colors, but 1) if I did that it would likely look like ass, and 2) the stones show wear so are not completely new anyway.
(https://i.ibb.co/M9myqtt/Tent-Stones.jpg)
I wanted some kind of Roman ruin, to "place" the battlefield in the old Roman Empire, for instance England. I settled on the Ruined Temple fron Reaper (which is essentially a fantasy piece but still). Unusually for a terrain piece in this scale it's in soft plastic. I'm very pleased with how it came out, I improvised a very simple recipe for dirty/worn limestone/marble, and it looks pretty good from a distance IMHO. The statue can be placed on the podium, but mostly it will likely be left off. The statue has a pre-Classical look, so I'd only use it for battlefields in old Greek or Phoenician areas. One type of terrain piece that would be cool is a ruined Roman villa, but the ones available are more suitable for Arthurian gaming than Viking (the ruins are relatively "fresh").
(https://i.ibb.co/0mSfPkd/Ruined-Temple.jpg)
Vikings need ships. I got some from Barrage Miniatures. I ordered the small boat and ship with mast. The ship was supposed to come with a steering oar. There was no oar, but I got a third vessel, the biggest ship, which I don't think is available in the store, as a freebie. Cool.
I'm not gonna add details, like sails etc, to them. It would mean too much work and it would make them less practical as gaming pieces. The hulls look really nice I think, and that's enough. The paintjob is very simple, Vallejo German Cam. Med. Brown, a wash of GW Agrax Earthshade, and a drybrush of the Vallejo color.
(https://i.ibb.co/x8qJHRD/Viking-Ships.jpg)
Loving it :)
... the ruined temple, is that from Reaper Miniatures (https://www.reapermini.com/miniatures)? I can seem to find any terrain on their site. Or is it a different Reaper that makes the piece?
It's that Reaper. Their Bones Plastic range.
https://www.reapermini.com/search/Ruined%20Temple
Ships need water. I made some water tiles from plasticard. This way I can have just a small corner of water (just one of the triangular ones) or a bit more (as shown), and if I need I can easily make more tiles and expand it further. Also in the pic is the small boat, and the jetty is a piece from the Norse Boarden Walk Ways set from 4Ground. Obviously the water tiles also work for 6mm, which is nice. The water has a layer of Gloss Varnish.
(https://i.ibb.co/LRZxp2b/Water.jpg)
So nice!
I built a Norman Tower, from Sarissa Precision. Unlike 4Ground buildings it comes unpainted, but I will probably leave it unpainted for now. The general color is fine, and the laser cut details give some character. Painting it would be a lot of work for somewhat limited gain. Maybe I'll paint it in the future, but for now it will do as a simple utilitarian Norman keep of a kind erected all over England during the Conquest. These weren't built for the ages.
The levels aren't glued together, you can lift them off and have minis inside. It looks a bit odd to have the roof access stair just above the entrance where you'd presumably want fighting men dropping stuff on people, but that's the way it's designed. I chose to photograph it as it's designed, but you can easily rotate the upper level and roof to improve the placement of the stairs, but then of course the internal stairs lower in the tower don't align.
Overall, a quick simple build with a good result. Cool.
(https://i.ibb.co/vzV6Hz9/Norman-Tower.jpg)
Yeah, I have a few Sarissa items as well. I like their stuff.
I built some palisades from 4Ground. I have some more pieces I can build, but you get the idea. In practice I would likely place the keep by a table edge in order not to dominate all the battlefield, and also that way you don't need as many palisade pieces. Even like this you can still attack it from two different directions which should be enough for tactical shenanigans.
Obviously palisades are useful for a lot of stuff, keep or no keep.
(https://i.ibb.co/RcrTcn0/Palisade.jpg)
In news that may please some posters I've started on my late WW1 French. Did some color tests that I'm OK with. One metropolitan French guy, and one of the tirailleurs sénégalais. The painting is very simple, which I think works fine for WW1 with its dirt and muted colors. I used a black wash for everything except European skin and hair. I haven't based them yet since I plan to base them the same as my Germans, so I don't need to test it.
Just like my Germans my aim here is to have figures that work for 1916-18, and I think these do. My sources say that the Senegalese only got khaki greatcoats in 1918 (their uniforms had been khaki for a few years), but that's fine. At least khaki greatcoats existed before 1918, my sources say that for instance the Foreign Legion got them in 15/16.
The figures are Wargames Atlantic, and their French late WW1 box has a lot of options (and it works for early WW2 as well). You get Europan heads with kepi, European heads with Adrian helmet, Adrian helmets with mid war gas mask, Adrian helmets with 1918 gas mask, African heads with Adrian helmet, and African heads with traditional soft headgear (the Senegalese used the Adrian helmet in combat as soon as it became available in 1915). Two full sets of different rifles, and also light machine guns etc. Packs and other bits and pieces. If there's anything missing it's rifle grenades, which the French were fond of. The quality of the figures is OK, but nowhere near Victrix quality (which I didn't expect them to be).
(https://i.ibb.co/x5K5hnq/French-WW1.jpg)
Looks great. Shouldn't the leg bindings be white?
Quote from: Threviel on January 31, 2022, 09:25:40 AM
Looks great. Shouldn't the leg bindings be white?
Thanks. They existed in various colors, including the same as the uniform. In the interest of simple painting I picked that one.
I recently ordered myself a paint mixer to see if I can revive some of my many older Vallejo paint. According to the tracking number, it arrived in Vancouver on Friday afternoon. I'm hoping it'll make a difference.
Quote from: Jacob on January 31, 2022, 11:30:07 AM
I recently ordered myself a paint mixer to see if I can revive some of my many older Vallejo paint. According to the tracking number, it arrived in Vancouver on Friday afternoon. I'm hoping it'll make a difference.
:cheers:
Quote from: The Brain on January 31, 2022, 08:43:26 AM
If there's anything missing it's rifle grenades, which the French were fond of.
Correction: I found a rifle grenade on the sprue. Nice.
While reading the The One Ring 2nd Ed rulebook I realized that my collection of Dark Age models means I have a pretty solid core of models for LOTR gaming. Which is obvious of course (given Tolkien's inspiration), but I didn't look at it that way before. Earlier I have painted some stuff for fantasy ingredients in a basically historical setting like Odin, and I have bought some orcs (with a non-GW look) for possible HarnMaster stuff. I already have the rulebook for the GW LOTR game, these days called Middle-Earth, and while I have never played it it does have a reputation as the best current GW system, and I've always liked that it's a true skirmish game with the individual as the tactical unit. There's also the Battle Companies supplement for classic "start out with a few n00bs and build into a badass warband" campaign gaming, which I like. I have never bought models for the game because 1) they're based on the movies and not the books and 2) they're not scale-compatible with normal 28mm models.
I've always loved LOTR gaming. Played the ICE boardgame The Fellowship of the Ring, a lot of MERP, and a bit of home-brewed miniature gaming way back when. Nice to revisit Middle-Earth.
Looking at my Dark Age stuff:
Anglo-Saxons - Rohirrim
Irish (maybe with some vikings) - Dunlendings
Vikings - various Northern Men
Normans - until I get some Byzantines painted they can be Gondorians, and/or Northern Dunedain dressed for open warfare
Byzantines (if I paint them) - Gondorians
Arabs (if I paint them) - Harad
Steppe Nomads/Pechenegs (if I paint them) - various Easterners
Wolves/bears etc, I already have a few of those painted
Dual use certainly increases return of time investment on painting models. Nice.
So I've started getting some various models to flesh out my "LOTR" collection. It's pretty fun trying to find appropriate models in different ranges. Reaper has a lot of good stuff, but also others are very useful.
Some more wolves, by Warlord.
(https://i.ibb.co/Ldnc8b8/LOTRWolves.jpg)
A small troll and a warg, by Reaper.
(https://i.ibb.co/XyZWx3c/LOTRTroll-Warg.jpg)
Four hobbits. These are Oathmark halfling soldiers from North Star. They certainly work both as famous hobbits and as generic hobbits.
(https://i.ibb.co/QNHZm2F/LOTRHobbits.jpg)
Nice work as always! :cheers:
Do you mind posting a picture of the warlord wolves next to an infantry mini? I'd like to get a sense of their scale, if possible.
Thanks! :)
Everyone gets to be in the pic. From left to right: WizKids Timber Wolves, Victrix Norman, Warlord Tribal Nation Wolves (from their Mythic Americas range), Reaper Warg.
(https://i.ibb.co/C8y0nt5/Size-Wolves.jpg)
Thanks! Much obliged :cheers:
I'm looking to get some goblin wolf rider minis. Right now my leading option are the Oathmark ones, except I really don't like their wolves... so I'm looking for replacement options.
I've gotten some Oathmark wolf riders for the LOTR project, even if I did think the wolves looked a bit cartoony or whatever you wanna call it. I have yet to paint them. I really like the look of the Warlord wolves (even if they are too big for realistic wolves). And I love the Reaper warg, but it's a single model.
Quote from: The Brain on March 30, 2022, 12:04:39 PMI've gotten some Oathmark wolf riders for the LOTR project, even if I did think the wolves looked a bit cartoony or whatever you wanna call it. I have yet to paint them. I really like the look of the Warlord wolves (even if they are too big for realistic wolves). And I love the Reaper warg, but it's a single model.
Do you think the Oathmark riders would work on the Warlord wolves? I agree they look good, which is why I'm asking.
And yeah, a single model won't cut it alas :(
Quote from: Jacob on March 30, 2022, 12:59:38 PMQuote from: The Brain on March 30, 2022, 12:04:39 PMI've gotten some Oathmark wolf riders for the LOTR project, even if I did think the wolves looked a bit cartoony or whatever you wanna call it. I have yet to paint them. I really like the look of the Warlord wolves (even if they are too big for realistic wolves). And I love the Reaper warg, but it's a single model.
Do you think the Oathmark riders would work on the Warlord wolves? I agree they look good, which is why I'm asking.
And yeah, a single model won't cut it alas :(
You decide:
(https://i.ibb.co/vX5mF2j/SizeWR.jpg)
There might be smaller rider models to be found from other manufacturers, but maybe they all have the "GW look".
Come to think of it, Wargames Atlantic's Goblin Warband (which I plan to use as LOTR orcs) has some guys on the sprue that are designed to work both as standing models (squatting with feet far apart) and spider riders, and there's what I think is a saddle on the sprue as well. They are meant to go with the same company's spider models, but who knows what might work? NB I don't know if they're smaller than the Oathmark riders, they're still on the sprue and require assembly to know for sure.
Thanks for the details. I think I still don't have a decision yet...
For my own uses, I'd be okay with the old GW goblin wolf riders but I never bought them while they were on the market :(
Also, I actually finished a few more minis:
(https://imgur.com/mmloWIm.jpg)
More pictures on my blog, as usual. (https://miniaturefront.blogspot.com/2022/04/dwarf-vs-skeletons.html)
Love the "Ancient Copper" look on the skeletons. Everything looks really good.
Quote from: Threviel on April 09, 2022, 09:40:55 AMLove the "Ancient Copper" look on the skeletons. Everything looks really good.
Thanks! :hug:
Very nice! :) Which manufacturer(s)?
Quote from: The Brain on April 11, 2022, 03:38:33 PMVery nice! :) Which manufacturer(s)?
The Skeletons are Oathmark and the Dwarf is from Bronze Age Miniatures (https://bronzeagemin.com/). It's worst named miniature company to search for, because "bronze age miniatures" will give you a hit on all sorts of historicals first.
I quite like their "troll" miniatures as they have a very proper Nordic feel to me:
(https://cdn10.bigcommerce.com/s-yneoa/products/322/images/1402/Troll_Set_1__25853.1528077405.500.659.jpg?c=2)
Cool. I actually have those Norse trolls, still unpainted. :)
Quote from: The Brain on April 11, 2022, 04:14:50 PMCool. I actually have those Norse trolls, still unpainted. :)
I have a lot of minis, still unpainted :D
To bring politics into this otherwise non-political thread...
IMO Brother Vinni miniatures are morally dubious. Not because of the BDSM/ sex stuff, but because one of their minis is a "Ukrainian slave girl" (naked, in shackles) which - as I understand it - is modelled after Yulia Tymoshenko as a political pro-Russian anti-Ukrainian statement.
I actually thought Brother Vinni was a Russian company, but it's still in business online (so not affected by whatever internet issues there may be in Russia). Maybe they're Hungarian or something?
In any case, given current events I think it's dubious to give money to a company that has a Ukrainian sex-slave miniature modelled to represent the nation of Ukraine / a prominent pro-Western politician as a model.
That's good to know.
While I'm in this thread, have you checked out The Assault Group's fantasy line? I noticed they have some warg riders. Just thought I'd mention it since TAG has been mostly historicals.
No I hadn't seen those. Thanks for the tip! :cheers:
Quote from: Jacob on April 13, 2022, 12:14:06 AMTo bring politics into this otherwise non-political thread...
IMO Brother Vinni miniatures are morally dubious. Not because of the BDSM/ sex stuff, but because one of their minis is a "Ukrainian slave girl" (naked, in shackles) which - as I understand it - is modelled after Yulia Tymoshenko as a political pro-Russian anti-Ukrainian statement.
I actually thought Brother Vinni was a Russian company, but it's still in business online (so not affected by whatever internet issues there may be in Russia). Maybe they're Hungarian or something?
In any case, given current events I think it's dubious to give money to a company that has a Ukrainian sex-slave miniature modelled to represent the nation of Ukraine / a prominent pro-Western politician as a model.
I couldn't find anything in a short search that indicates that the whole "that's supposed to be Yulia Tymoshenko" is anything more than just a guy saying something on the internet. It certainly doesn't look distinctly like her with either head. Apparently, Ukrainian slaves were popular in the Ottoman Empire because Ukraine was right next door and not Muslim.
In short, I don't think you should make your buying decisions based on such a dubious bit of "evidence."
Quote from: grumbler on April 13, 2022, 04:45:56 PMI couldn't find anything in a short search that indicates that the whole "that's supposed to be Yulia Tymoshenko" is anything more than just a guy saying something on the internet. It certainly doesn't look distinctly like her with either head. Apparently, Ukrainian slaves were popular in the Ottoman Empire because Ukraine was right next door and not Muslim.
In short, I don't think you should make your buying decisions based on such a dubious bit of "evidence."
Personally, I think the alternate head provided for the mini is a pretty good rendition in 28 mm of this picture of Tymoshenko. The hairstyle is a pretty solid match IMO.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fww1.prweb.com%2Fprfiles%2F2011%2F08%2F23%2F8742226%2FYulia_Tymoshenko-black%2520in%2520pearls.jpg&hash=16b5b5a96427fd4badd7f16979e03f3196e4d9e0)
When the mini was released (IIRC 2012) it was widely (but not universally) understood among people seeing it to be referencing Tymoshenko. Given the context of the time, the title of the mini, and the close match of the hairstyle, I was (and remain) persuaded. At the time I thought it was in poor taste, but left it at that. Now, given current events in Ukraine and the conduct of Russian armed forces against Ukrainian civilians, it puts beyond what I consider acceptable.
You are, of course, free to make your own purchasing decisions. For my part, I'm going to avoid buying anything from a Russian company selling naked minis of "Ukrainian Slave Girls" even if I didn't think it wasn't intended to depict Tymoshenko specifically (though I do).
While Brother Vinni hasn't come out and said anything on the topic, to my knowledge, I'm not going to send his company any money. Even beyond that, I think now is a good time to avoid buying Russian products even if they are not hit by current sanctions.
Tymoshenko's famous hair braid was chosen by her when she was trying to move away from the "Princess Oligarch" image to go into politics. She chose it because it is so closely associated with country folk traditional looks (in the mythologized version of them, anyway). Without the traditional hairdo, there is nothing "Ukrainian" about the slave girl.
Now, I wouldn't buy those figures if they were put out by Cousin Vinnie, let alone some Russian "Brother Vinni", so have no problem with you boycotting that manufacturer.
What do I need to start painting minis?
I think having a lot of patience is key
I was looking into model building and miniatures a few years ago. Looking at tutorials etc. it seemed clear that patience is required, and also to set low expectations at the start. Even with guides it will likely take some time till your skill catches up to your ambition - the way there can be frustrating.
I painted 1/72 miniatures a few times in my late teens/early 20s (WW1 and Napoleonics), but had no idea what I was doing, and the results were accordingly. :D
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on April 14, 2022, 08:25:03 AMWhat do I need to start painting minis?
A yearning for nerdery.
The material requirements are quite simple though. If I were starting out today I would get
1. Some minis.
2. A paint set, exact size depending om my budget, and exact type depending on what kind of minis I plan to paint. There are several good manufacturers, but I'd go for Vallejo (https://acrylicosvallejo.com/en/) which is my personal favorite, they are available from most hobby shops. At least 16 paints, but my experience is that you quickly want more when you start painting, so likely a 40 paint set. If not part of the set I'd get some matt varnish too. Some sets include a brush.
3. 2-3 brushes. Not so much for different sizes really (though I'd likely pick slightly different sizes), but more for different uses. There are many sets available from different manufacturers. Me personally I would stick to some cheap brushes to start with.
Depending on your picks I think you should be able to get started for a bit over $100. Less if you go bare bones options.
Oh yeah, and not being discouraged by your first attempt. When I restarted the hobby as an adult my first mini looked like crap, the second was much better but still pretty bad, and the third was totally OK and I'd use him on the table today without feeling ashamed (shut up).
You need:
- one or more miniatures (which you may need to clean up a bit or glue together, depending, so also an exacto-knife and the appropriate glue if required).
- some sort of primer (I prefer white and spraypaint, but you can get brush-on as well and different styles of painting use diffent primer).
- one or more brushes. I prefer having a handful, but you can get away with one. Sizing varies by manufacturer, but something in the 0 to 2 range. I have tinier brushes but I rarely use them, details are best done with the tip of reasonably sized brushes rather than tiny tiny ones. Cheapish "artist" grade water-colour or acrylic brushes from an art supply store are fine, you don't need "miniature" specific ones IMO. If you're going to try dry brushing get something cheap because it'll wreck the brush over time. The main thing to look for is that the brush comes to a nice point.
- a container for water. An old yoghurt container or jam jar is fine.
- a bit of table space.
- good lighting. Daylight is ideal, but lamps with daylight bulbs can do the trick too.
- depending on what paints you use, you may want to use a palette as well. I tend to use random lids from jam-jars or yoghurt containers rather than anything fancier.
- patience and ability to focus. I've found I do my best miniature painting when I'm also doing something else - in a boring meeting or procrastinating something I really don't want to do :lol:
- some paint. I've accumulated a variety of paint from different manufacturers over time... Citadel, Vallejo, Army Painter, and P3. Some folks have strong opinions, but in my view they're mostly the same with a few exceptions. Which colours to get depends on what you're painting. Some people paint with artist acrylics from the art store and that seemingly works fine too.
Those are the basic requirements, IMO.
Some more LOTR stuff. Big troll, barrow wight, pack donkey, and werewolf. All by Reaper.
(https://i.ibb.co/R4QNR0q/LOTRBig-Troll-Etc.jpg)
Nice!
Are they the Reaper Bones line?
Yes, they are all Bones. Some Bones Black and some regular. :)
Some orcs, from Wargames Atlantic (their Goblin Warband, 5 guys to a sprue, 6 identical sprues in a box). I think they look good as LOTR orcs.
I thought about which skin color to give them, and decided against a flat grey, since the models aren't big on color and need something at least. I settled on the feldgrau I mixed together for my WW1 Germans, which I think works.
There are no shield transfers for these AFAIK, and since my freehand skills are quite unmad I stuck to KISS to the nth degree...
(https://i.ibb.co/9cQkSVD/LOTROrcs1.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/y6xSWVg/LOTROrcs2.jpg)
They look good, and yeah they work well for LotR Orcs. The bases are nice too. Good work :cheers:
Damn you're quick. Thanks! :)
Quote from: The Brain on April 20, 2022, 04:26:06 PMDamn you're quick. Thanks! :)
Posting on languish: sometimes
Painting miniatures: not so much
Some Rangers of the North. The two on the left are Crusader Miniatures, and the two on the right Rangers of Shadow Deep. The last two will also work as two famous leaders of Men.
I didn't use my normal brush when varnishing, and the guy on the left (the first one I did) and to some extent the second guy too, got some opaque varnish effect, I guess from trapped bubbles because it got too foamy. Ah well, lesson learned. They're still OK for use, and it didn't affect the last two models which is good.
(https://i.ibb.co/qCfy9SJ/LOTRRangers.jpg)
Dwarves, from Crusader. The ones holding shields came with scutum-like shields. While pretty cool, they didn't feel LOTR-y enough for me, so the plain shield is from Victrix Vikings, and the fancy shield is from Wargames Atlantic Dark Age Irish.
(https://i.ibb.co/HXCgGBP/LOTRDwarves1.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/1LXhGw5/LOTRDwarves2.jpg)
What system are you planning for your LotR skirmishes? GW?
Yeah, I use GW as a framework for my painting. It seems like a nice system. I try to paint enough minis for the relevant Battle Companies (Dwarves, Rangers of the North, etc), for their starting size.
I looked around a bit to try to find good models for Black Numenoreans. I wanted them to
- look badass
- not look high fantasy
- be well-armored, but not plate armor
- if possible, look "Southern" and/or "Gondorian", whatever that means
I eventually settled on using some Fireforge Varangian Guard as a base. I had a box of 12 so poaching 2 wouldn't be a problem. These held 2-handed axes (or spears), so some conversion was in order. Hands (not arms!), swords, and scabbards are Victrix Vikings, and the shields are Victrix Anglo-Saxons, this "blend" of round shield and classic Norman shield looks the right amount of exotic to me. I'm quite pleased, I think the models tick the boxes. My plan is, if I paint them, to have my Byzantines (mostly V&V Minis) count as Gondorians, so the Black Numenoreans looking somewhat Byzantine makes perfect sense. And since their faces are hidden your mind will fill in whatever appearance you feel is appropriate. I don't think bushy Viking beards would contradict anything in Tolkien, but they may not be everyone's idea of Black Numenoreans.
(https://i.ibb.co/PhdS8K0/LOTRBlack-Numenoreans.jpg)
I looked around a bit to try to find good models for Uruk-Hai. They should be bigger and more upright than the orcs, and style compatible. There are many big orcs around, but they tend to have the GW look. Eventually I settled on Hobgoblins from Lucid Eye. They work fine as LOTR Uruks I think, even if I wish more of them had helmets. Speaking of helmets, the leader's helmet had a hoplite style crest which I removed, both because I didn't feel it stylewise (even if I have no reason to believe that Tolkien would have had any objections) and because the helmet was very busy with both crest and horns.
For the Uruk skin I used a much darker shade of the orc skin, highlighted with the orc skin color. It may be hard to see in the pics but their black clothes and their skin are not the same color.
I also include a size comparison with the orcs.
(https://i.ibb.co/wpd3xkr/LOTRUruks1.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/CBQPMQN/LOTRUruks2.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/2y8C880/LOTRUruks-Orcs-Compare.jpg)
Which ones are going to get the Red Eye, and which ones are going to get the White Hand?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 12, 2022, 12:09:01 AMWhich ones are going to get the Red Eye, and which ones are going to get the White Hand?
Well, the orcs would have had the Red Eye on their shields if my freehand skills weren't so limited. But at least they have red paint, which suggests the Eye. But they will count as other orcs (Moria, Gundabad, etc) as required. The Uruks do double duty from the start, they may be White Hand or Mordor depending om my whim, therefore they don't get any symbols. Also they have no helmets (yes the leader has a helmet) to put an S rune on, and their shields with bosses aren't great for painting eyes or hands on.
I planned to paint three Oathmark wolfriders, rider of metal with plastic wolf, but when I checked them one of them came with a wolf made of two left sides, charging poses. The two remaining wolves were in the same walking pose. I changed my plans to only paint one wolf rider, instead of fielding a GW warg rider Battle Company the wolf rider can join a few different Battle Companies as a lone figure. Since the wolf was in a walking pose I made a saddle out of greenstuff to give my rider a more upright and relaxed posture. I wanted him to look like a long range scout, so I also gave him a greenstuff sack and a water/grog bottle from the Wargames Atlantic Goblin Warband sprue.
The wolf is kind of cartoony and could use some more detail. But good enough for a single figure I think.
(https://i.ibb.co/R0RKLxb/LOTRWolf-Rider.jpg)
I wanted to make a Mûmak. I started by looking at 28mm war elephants on the market. There are some, but they didn't really strike me as mûmak enough. But I noticed that Victrix had a plastic set, African War Elephant. I like Victrix, and with plastic figures conversions would be easy. So I got the set (you get two elephants, each can fit a crew of 2 plus mahout, and there are options for Roman, Successor, or Numidian crew). Now I just needed a Mûmak, since the (North) African elephants were quite small, and I also needed to decide how to make the whole a believable crewed Mûmak model.
I re-read a bit about them in the books, and they are bigger than modern elephants. So going to a bigger scale than 28mm/1:56 whatever would make sense.
I struck gold while checking online toy stores. I found a cheap (but high quality) 1:35 scale pre-painted extinct elephant, Palaeoloxodon Antiquus, from EouFauna. It had the size, was a nice sculpt, had a nice paintjob, had a good pose with the right amount of action, and it didn't look like a modern African or Indian elephant. I honestly think that it would be hard to make a better 28mm Mûmak if you tried! Remember, toy stores are your friends. If you can find a children's toy that does the job it's often a third to a fifth of the price of "tabletop" stuff.
The howdah was built from Renedra plastic cavalry bases I had at home. Two lumps of greenstuff made up the padding that it sat on, which were shaped by test positioning the howdah on the elephant.
I had to give the mahout a greenstuff bag to sit on to make him fit the bigger elephant. The javelin men are Numidian heads on Numidian bodies, and the spearman and banner bearer are Numidian helmeted heads on Successor bodies. I think the history-based look works fine for Tolkien stuff. The banner bearer's right arm is from the Victrix Normans. The banner was made from scratch from paper and PVA glue. The spearman won't reach a man on the ground, but might reach a rider, and he can repel boarders and fight other Mûmak crews. In my mind, when the princes of Harad fight among themselves, they consider it noble to fight each other from the backs of Mûmakil (giving a distinct advantage to the guy with the biggest and baddest Mûmak).
The shields are from Gripping Beast Arab sets.
The fabric thing (what are those called?) was made by googling persian rugs, picking a design that looked OK and had the right proportions (it had to be much longer than wide) and printing it. To shape it I PVA glued it to some other paper and draped it over the elephant to dry. To keep the print from smudging I sprayed it with GW matt varnish. I then picked out some details in gold to make it pop more and look less like a piece of printed paper. The gold thread tassels are from the Victrix elephant kit.
I might bling the model some more if I find suitable stuff and feel like it. A challenge is that since the elephant is prepainted I don't want to attach something and paint it in situ, for fear of getting paint on the elephant.
The GW 170x105mm base would have been perfect, but my FLGS was out so I cut a base from 1.5mm pasticard.
It was a very fun project! IMHO it shows that even with simple techniques and limited artistic skill you can make a unique model that has a very real presence on the table. When I first assembled the finished thing I actually went "wow!". :)
(https://i.ibb.co/ThCp6Y1/LOTRMumakil1.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Kj0Wz05/LOTRMumakil3.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/9p4mMPJ/LOTRMumakil2.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/gT2fVMV/LOTRMumakil4.jpg)
That's awesome!
I love conversion and scratch building projects like that. Well done :cheers:
Nice!
Thanks guys! :)
Way cool.
None more black. These are Nazgûl from Mithril. I've always loved the Mithril range, I think its less-is-more style fits Tolkien very well. It's also cool that they've kept the LOTR license for so many decades. It's not really a range for tabletop gaming, at least not beyond the RPG scope, since they don't have a great number of different orcs etc. If you wanted to field larger numbers you'd have to accept a lot of identical figures.
Painting a great black is beyond my skill, but I'm pleased with how these came out. In total I've used four different shades of black on these figures.
The model on foot included a sculpted base with some flagstones, so I decided to make his a stone base for simplicity. The horseman's base is supposed to show that he's on a road and talking to someone standing beside it.
(https://i.ibb.co/mJ9mSFF/LOTRNazgul.jpg)
Giant spider with victims. The spider is Reaper, the victims Alien Lab.
(https://i.ibb.co/vPSMJsT/LOTRSpider.jpg)
Can I come over to your house to play?
Quote from: grumbler on June 09, 2022, 05:31:45 PMCan I come over to your house to play?
Of course! Which side do you want to play? :)
Quote from: The Brain on June 09, 2022, 05:33:54 PMQuote from: grumbler on June 09, 2022, 05:31:45 PMCan I come over to your house to play?
Of course! Which side do you want to play? :)
The winning side. :P
A white wizard and a grey wizard. Both by Reaper.
(https://i.ibb.co/VtRSvzS/LOTRWizards.jpg)
Some simple terrain for "placing" the battlefield, like the runestone upthread. Elf area, somewhere that was part of old Gondor/Arnor, or dwarf hold (abandoned or otherwise). From left to right: Reaper, Ziterdes, and Alien Lab.
The gazebo is soft plastic so not exactly a precision model.
(https://i.ibb.co/ZdPtZnS/LOTRPlacement.jpg)
I really like the middle one. It reminds me of that awesome scene in The Fellowship of the Ring.
Quote from: Jacob on September 03, 2021, 12:17:51 PMAwh man... I've been eyeing the Victrix stuff for a while but with my painting speed... and they're typically 60! in a box.
I'm interested in the Saxon/ Norman/ Vikings (as usual). I also want some of the various Celts (mostly for fantasy purposes). I'm also pretty infatuated with the Carthaginian Elephants and Celtic Chariots as well, even though I have no specific gaming use for them.
But right now I've been buying a fair bit of Oathmark minis (which come in a more reasonable 30 minis a box) and that's probably already too much. And there are other great manufacturers also. It's a really great time to be into minis, that's for sure.
FYI Victrix just announced that they will offer their Norman and Anglo-Saxon minis in bags of 30, and do this for more Dark Age minis if it's successful. This as a result of a recent survey (which I answered, though I didn't mention pack sizes).
Some elves. My rough idea is that the first two are Lórien border watchers, the next two are wood elves from Mirkwood, one of them possibly of royal blood, and the last one is a noble warrior out of Rivendell. The first three are Oathmark, the last two Reaper.
Now I feel like I have a decent LOTR collection; I can form most relevant GW Battle Companies. I have more stuff that I can paint if I feel like it, but it feels good to have a solid LOTR base.
(https://i.ibb.co/x2Zc5wg/LOTRElves.jpg)
Some more Vikings, from V&V Miniatures.
(https://i.ibb.co/TqDpzHR/Vikings8.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/vXmqZ7q/Vikings9.jpg)
I like the Sean Connery figure in the bottom picture left. Looks like it is from Robin and Marian (a much-overlooked film, IMO).
I have some Judge Dredd figures from Warlord that I consider painting. The world of Judge Dredd is pretty whimsical, so there's a lot of freedom for a painter. The judge uniforms though should be made to look reasonably "correct" I think, so I did a color test for them. The figure had a manufacturing error and misses part of his left arm (not really visible in the pic), so he got to volunteer. I haven't based him yet, but it's just gonna be some tarmac. Came out OK I think. :)
(https://i.ibb.co/kB69Js0/Color-Test-Judge.jpg)
Street Judges are ready to fight crime in Mega-City 1. The figures are soft resin, which I haven't worked with a lot before.
As for rules, I have a few. Years ago I got the Gangs of Mega-City One boxed set from Mongoose, which included rules and some multi-part plastic figures and paper terrain. Later I also got the expanded version of those rules published by Warlord. And finally I have the current offering from Warlord, which is a new system (with different authors from the earlier rules). I haven't played any of them so I can't say which is the best.
(https://i.ibb.co/x8Rp6c9/Street-Judges.jpg)
This is definitely a thread I missed. Amazing work, as always, Brain! :thumbsup:
Thanks! Means a lot. :)
The Counts-As LotR pieces remind me a lot of some of the old MERP ICE Mithril Miniatures. They have that 80's/90's mini feel to them. I remember wanting to order those so badly as a teen when I first got deep into LotR.
Quote from: Sophie Scholl on November 14, 2022, 03:07:45 PMThe Counts-As LotR pieces remind me a lot of some of the old MERP ICE Mithril Miniatures. They have that 80's/90's mini feel to them. I remember wanting to order those so badly as a teen when I first got deep into LotR.
Yeah, I loved Mithril back in the day, and still do. Don't know if you noticed above but the Nazgul I painted are Mithril figures.
I've had some Sengoku models from Perry lying around a few years, and I decided to paint some of them. These are some military guys. I don't plan to paint a 28mm samurai army or anything, but a few figures for skirmishing is nice.
(https://i.ibb.co/ssgNKYN/Sengoku1.jpg)
Here's some of the work I've done on the Mansions of Madness 2E minis.
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/0a78i8ey8h8atu3/IMG-0153.jpg?dl=1)
Nice work, both of you! Brain, I'd love to see you have some type of absolutely madcap game where all of your various painted armies and units square off. :lol:
Quote from: Sophie Scholl on November 21, 2022, 11:08:35 PMNice work, both of you! Brain, I'd love to see you have some type of absolutely madcap game where all of your various painted armies and units square off. :lol:
Dungeons and Starships 3rd Edition?
Quote from: Caliga on November 21, 2022, 10:43:18 PMHere's some of the work I've done on the Mansions of Madness 2E minis.
Awesome work, Cal! They look really nice and clean. :cheers:
What paints do you use?
Quote from: Sophie Scholl on November 21, 2022, 11:08:35 PMNice work, both of you! Brain, I'd love to see you have some type of absolutely madcap game where all of your various painted armies and units square off. :lol:
:D Yeah that would be awesome. Not sure who would win. :hmm:
The Great Warhammer of the Roses: Lord of the Samurai? :wacko:
Quote from: The Brain on November 21, 2022, 05:31:31 PMI've had some Sengoku models from Perry lying around a few years, and I decided to paint some of them. These are some military guys. I don't plan to paint a 28mm samurai army or anything, but a few figures for skirmishing is nice.
(https://i.ibb.co/ssgNKYN/Sengoku1.jpg)
Is that Latrine on the left? :D
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a7/fa/f1/a7faf1b3dd45c21c79f53718f2dac8b8.jpg)
Looking awesome as usual. :cool:
Latrine transcends mundane matters like time and space. :cool:
Quote from: The Brain on November 22, 2022, 02:14:06 AMQuote from: Caliga on November 21, 2022, 10:43:18 PMHere's some of the work I've done on the Mansions of Madness 2E minis.
Awesome work, Cal! They look really nice and clean. :cheers:
What paints do you use?
Most of my paints are cheapo CraftSmart acrylics that I get at Michael's (craft store chain we have here in the US). I like those because, besides the low price, they have a little nub in the cap that I can cram my tiniest detail brushes into, which means I don't need to put them onto a palette and waste any paint.
I have a few Citadel paints but I HATE the Citadel pots, so I try to avoid using them.
I also have a bunch of Vallejo Game Wash bottles, and I do really like those.
Some ninja. IIRC the earliest known illustration of a classic black-clad ninja is from the early 19th century, and I'm not sure what Sengoku sources actually say about ninja costumes. But regardless, not having these guys would feel wrong. Obviously this kind of outfit was only used for certain types of mission, more commonly ninja would be in disguise, which is great for a hobbyist since any model can be a ninja this way.
(https://i.ibb.co/3vzZKr4/Sengoku2.jpg)
Some more guys. When I primed these some years ago I used the framework of the Ronin rules from Osprey, and made some starter warbands for the different factions. IIRC these guys are an Ikko-Ikki warband. No individual model is tied to any one faction though, historically an individual could drift between peasant/Ikko-Ikki/bandit/ashigaru as time and circumstances required.
(https://i.ibb.co/bKLqDqK/Sengoku3.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/v4frP2J/Sengoku4.jpg)
And some bandits!
(https://i.ibb.co/Nskh9hz/Sengoku5.jpg)
Those are fun models! Definitely some character to them and a unique feel.
Yeah, the Perrys are great. I like metals like these for skirmish stuff, they are all individuals. And you don't need a lot of assembly.
Some warrior monks. The stock image of the medieval warrior monk that emerged in the 18th century is pretty much the guy on the left only with the addition of japanese clogs. Reality was a lot more varied, and I doubt they wore clogs in combat. So AFAICT these sculpts seem reasonably historical.
(https://i.ibb.co/MM1BkmS/Sengoku6.jpg)
Some unarmored samurai.
(https://i.ibb.co/94nCN0C/Sengoku7.jpg)
And some civilians. Good not just for dressing the battlefield, but also for giving ninja more deployment options.
(https://i.ibb.co/zZ8RF40/Sengoku8.jpg)
Nice. :)
Does #4 come with miniature bees?
Quote from: Syt on December 08, 2022, 09:47:20 AMNice. :)
Does #4 come with miniature bees?
:yes: The bees are happy.
Quote from: Syt on December 08, 2022, 09:47:20 AMNice. :)
Does #4 come with miniature bees?
It's an optional addition. The painter has to decide: "To bee or not to bee."
Over Christmas I got a 3D Printer. I have been: printing out miniatures with it.
Quote from: Caliga on January 03, 2023, 03:13:17 PMOver Christmas I got a 3D Printer. I have been: printing out miniatures with it.
What kind of minis?
32mm minis, so far all for Mansions of Madness for content that's gone out of print. There are also some fanmade objects (token holders, etc.) I'll probably print out too that help with organizing that game, since it's a total beast.
I got tired of the awful miniature that came with one of the MoM characters, so I designed, printed, and painted a replacement for her. :)
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/jjl68nzqeuejy53/SisterMary2.jpg?dl=1)
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/977p778cln41vg3/SisterMary1.jpg?dl=1)
She's supposed to be a nun, but the game's default mini wears a brown robe and has her head (of long blonde hair) exposed... so basically dresses nothing like a nun. I have: fixed the glitch.
Very nice! :)
Some models from Ragnarok Miniatures. They work for LOTR as spectres, Army of the Dead types, and similar. They came in a pack of eight, I saved the four who looked the most Viking-y for possible use as corporeal draugr, and painted the other four (shown here).
(https://i.ibb.co/ZMyh9Wn/LOTRSpectres.jpg)
Nice minis.
When I go to the Ragnarok Miniatures website I get a fatal error, unfortunately. Got a good look on the FB page though. But yeah, pretty nice.
I'me in the (slow) process of trying to assemble most of my backlog of grey plastic (and unpainted lead / pewter). It's taking a while....
Yeah their website has been down for a while now (weeks?). Hopefully they'll get it fixed.
Lion El'Jonson has awakened!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV3r6oZb2wI
New Tyrannid invasion!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X98ImCbhjnI
Came across this and thought I'd put it here since it's Warhammer related. Apparently someone created a reading order/timeline for the Horus Heresy books etc. And ... err ... see for yourself. :lol: :bleeding:
http://gaming.kylebb.com/hhtimeline/
I never got into the Horus Heresy. And I see that that may have been for the best. :)
Know No Fear is very good.
Quote from: Syt on June 27, 2023, 03:02:35 PMCame across this and thought I'd put it here since it's Warhammer related. Apparently someone created a reading order/timeline for the Horus Heresy books etc. And ... err ... see for yourself. :lol: :bleeding:
http://gaming.kylebb.com/hhtimeline/
Wow. And just that one topic. I knew they were churning out pulp fiction but I didn't know it was that bad.
And let me guess, every single book mentions a different character as the strongest and bestest marine of the strongest and bestest legion.
Quote from: The Brain on June 28, 2023, 05:02:54 AMI never got into the Horus Heresy. And I see that that may have been for the best. :)
Barring a few books I read as a teenager (Drachenfels) and a handful of Inquisitor novels, I've never gotten into GW fiction. The minis are (often) cool and the games can be fun but yeah... great for those who like it, but not me.
Quote from: Jacob on June 28, 2023, 01:01:37 PMQuote from: The Brain on June 28, 2023, 05:02:54 AMI never got into the Horus Heresy. And I see that that may have been for the best. :)
Barring a few books I read as a teenager (Drachenfels) and a handful of Inquisitor novels, I've never gotten into GW fiction. The minis are (often) cool and the games can be fun but yeah... great for those who like it, but not me.
Yeah, I've never read any GW novels.
I read a lot of the WH Fantasy books when I was younger and a bit of the 40k stuff, too. I really loved the Horus Heresy and was so excited when the novels debuted. Then it just got to be way, way too much. Think MCU style. I haven't read any WH book of any style in a long time, though I do randomly read through a wiki or two to see how things have developed. Them killing off the Fantasy setting and then the HH getting bogged down and 40k just being ok drove me to other outlets. There are a lot of really great concepts, but the overall quality of the final products never seem to match the sum of those parts.
I was never that interested in the Heresy part of the setting. I've only read the first one.
I quite enjoyed the Inquisitor Eisenhorn & Ravenor books, though.
Good to see you posting again, Sophie. :)
Thanks! I check in every now and then, though this is my first post in a while. The Gaming HQ sub-forum was always a pretty relaxed place. :)
Quote from: Jacob on January 19, 2023, 01:11:01 PMNice minis.
When I go to the Ragnarok Miniatures website I get a fatal error, unfortunately. Got a good look on the FB page though. But yeah, pretty nice.
I'me in the (slow) process of trying to assemble most of my backlog of grey plastic (and unpainted lead / pewter). It's taking a while....
FYI Gripping Beast is now selling Ragnarok minis: https://www.grippingbeast.co.uk/Ragnarok_Miniatures--category--1007.html
Quote from: The Brain on August 08, 2023, 06:11:42 AMFYI Gripping Beast is now selling Ragnarok minis: https://www.grippingbeast.co.uk/Ragnarok_Miniatures--category--1007.html
Thanks!
They are nice minis.
Played a game of Ravenfeast with my son. Writeup and a few pictures on my blog: https://miniaturefront.blogspot.com/2023/08/ravenfeast-first-battle.html
(https://i.imgur.com/r4K8pJs.jpg)
If you're interested in football hooligans, skinheads, and 70s and 80s British street violence, Ainsty Castings has a miniatures range for you - AGGRO (https://www.ainstycastings.co.uk/product-category/aggro-minis/).
A select few pictures:
(https://www.ainstycastings.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/AAA-Aggro-03-2.jpg)
(https://www.ainstycastings.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/firm.jpg)
(https://www.ainstycastings.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Hooligans-7.jpg)
They even have terrain...
(https://www.ainstycastings.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/DSC0323.jpg)
... and a streaker
(https://www.ainstycastings.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/AC05-1.jpg)
Not sure what rules you'd use, though.
I remember seeing something about an AGGRO ruleset from Ainsty *checks records* yeah there was an article about it in Wargames Illustrated. Might be OOP though.
Quote from: Jacob on August 17, 2023, 02:02:02 PMPlayed a game of Ravenfeast with my son. Writeup and a few pictures on my blog: https://miniaturefront.blogspot.com/2023/08/ravenfeast-first-battle.html
Very nice. :)
Wargamer has an article summarizing what is known about GW's upcoming Warhammer: the Old World (they're bringing back a rank and file fantasy Warhammer): https://www.wargamer.com/warhammer-the-old-world/rules
Some neat bits in there... I like the apparent focus on movement, where they'll be distinguishing between Close Order and Open Order formations, in addition to units in Skirmish formations.
I've been done with GW's games for a while, but I'm feeling the temptation to dig out my old High Elves (and Goblins, and Chaos, and Dwarfs...) and getting them into a decent state to see if I can get a few games in at my local game store when the rules drop.
I don't know....
From what little I've seen it appears their aim is to get rid of all the mid-brow stuff in the fluff. Like Massif Orcal or Louen Leoncoeur etc. Also, is it, as the name implies, actually limited to just the Old World?
In what regard? Factions? This is what I could find regarding who is in and who is out (so far). Your Tomb Kings actually are a core group it seems! :)
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/02/06/old-world-development-diary-walk-like-a-nehekharan-in-the-land-of-the-dead/
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Quote from: The Brain on November 06, 2023, 03:03:25 PMFrom what little I've seen it appears their aim is to get rid of all the mid-brow stuff in the fluff. Like Massif Orcal or Louen Leoncoeur etc. Also, is it, as the name implies, actually limited to just the Old World?
As Sophie's list shows, it's expected they'll do Kislev and Grand Cathay at some point, so if you mean geographically then no. As I understand it "the Old World" is a temporal reference, it's the Warhammer World before the Storm of Chaos blew up everything and led to the Age of Sigmar.
That's one of the reasons I don't like it: taking a big dump on terms that are well-established in fluff.
Quote from: The Brain on November 06, 2023, 11:54:19 PMThat's one of the reasons I don't like it: taking a big dump on terms that are well-established in fluff.
Yeah that's totally fair.
I think I'll dabble, for two and a half reasons:
1) I want to check out the new implementation of the rules. I have a lot of Fantasy rank and file mini rule sets, so I'll want to check this one out too.
2) I'm getting a little bit excited about dusting off my old army (armies) and getting some games in at the local nerd store when TOW is the new hotness.
2.5) I'll want to bring my boy along to help roll dice and stuff, making it a father-son thing.
GW's been previewing some of the rules on their "Almanack" site: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/20/old-world-almanack-fight-the-good-fight-in-the-combat-phase/
Looks like they've added a bit of complexity since the last few iterations:
Losing combat has three different possible outcomes: give ground / falling back in good order / rout. Apparently more than one round of combat can be fought as well... which I suppose will resolve unit combats faster, rather than allowing tar pits.
So I put my preorders in at the FLGS and I'm getting the Core Book, Ravening Hordes, Forces of Fantasy, and the Bretonnia army book thingie (arcane journal, I think it's called).
I've been of the GW product line for a while, but they're reeling me back in :ph34r:
So I was painting a bit when I accidentally knocked over a pot of Spacewolf Gray contrast paint. I spent about 30 seconds trying to scoop it back in before I gave up on that.
Instead I rummaged through all my primed minis to find the ones where it'd make sense to put down a base layer of that paint.
Not the most efficient way to use paint, alas.
Ooof. That's certainly not fun. I'm glad you salvaged something, though!
I've been really tempted to get into the small scale AoS/40k/OW or one of the small scale Star Wars games for a bit. I feel like I would be better off just looking for a ttrpg group, though, as I have no real desire to much more than be involved with narrative aspects of those games.
If you're looking for narrative, but like the GW oeuvre and minis I'd suggest looking for Mordheim or Necromunda group :)
Caiphas Cain books are good and so are Sandy Mitchel's Dark Heresey books, although that series will never be finished.
I've read Know No Fear, which is the HH book where the Ultramarines get Pearl Harbored at Calth by the World Bearers. It was good, but that's the only HH book I've read.