Routine Shootings at US Schools and Universities Megathread.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Surely on the last point, by now you just need to wait a week for a new mass shooting to distract from the previous mass shooting No need for psyops.

I have a funny feeling we'll be hearing about that trans one for years to come.

Well, you keep bringing it up...

[Josquius]

Surely on the last point, by now you just need to wait a week for a new mass shooting to distract from the previous mass shooting No need for psyops.

I have a funny feeling we'll be hearing about that trans one for years to come.

Well, you keep bringing it up...

I do?

[grumbler]

Surely on the last point, by now you just need to wait a week for a new mass shooting to distract from the previous mass shooting No need for psyops.

I have a funny feeling we'll be hearing about that trans one for years to come.

One of the reasons it will live on is that it probably is not even true. Those kinds of stories become grist for the conspiracy mills.

[Sheilbh]

Yeah I think I read somewhere or heard something about how the popular memory of Columbine is very wrong. Once something coalesces in the public mind, I think it's really difficult to shift.

[Admiral Yi]

Yeah I think I read somewhere or heard something about how the popular memory of Columbine is very wrong. Once something coalesces in the public mind, I think it's really difficult to shift.

Which is why movies about historic events that play with the truth are so insidious.

[Josquius]

What do you mean about the memory of Columbine being wrong?

Surely on the last point, by now you just need to wait a week for a new mass shooting to distract from the previous mass shooting No need for psyops.

I have a funny feeling we'll be hearing about that trans one for years to come.

One of the reasons it will live on is that it probably is not even true. Those kinds of stories become grist for the conspiracy mills.

Not true how so?

[grumbler]

What do you mean about the memory of Columbine being wrong?

Surely on the last point, by now you just need to wait a week for a new mass shooting to distract from the previous mass shooting No need for psyops.

I have a funny feeling we'll be hearing about that trans one for years to come.

One of the reasons it will live on is that it probably is not even true. Those kinds of stories become grist for the conspiracy mills.

Not true how so?

Because it may not even involve a trans person.  It's true that Audrey Hale started referring to herself/himself as "he" and "Aiden" immediately before this all went down, but it isn't clear from reports from friends that this was legit and not just another way to trigger his/her parents.

[Josquius]

You know the US is fucked when Serbia of all places shows how people are meant to behave after a mass shooting.

BBC News - Serbians hand in guns and question culture of violence after two shootings
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65597622

[Valmy]

You know the US is fucked when Serbia of all places shows how people are meant to behave after a mass shooting.

It is the second amendment. As soon as you even discuss doing anything people freak out like you want to overturn the Constitution and set up a dictatorship.

[Josquius]

You know the US is fucked when Serbia of all places shows how people are meant to behave after a mass shooting.

It is the second amendment. As soon as you even discuss doing anything people freak out like you want to overturn the Constitution and set up a dictatorship.

Despite the thing literally being called an amendment.

[Valmy]

You know the US is fucked when Serbia of all places shows how people are meant to behave after a mass shooting.

It is the second amendment. As soon as you even discuss doing anything people freak out like you want to overturn the Constitution and set up a dictatorship.

Despite the thing literally being called an amendment.

The first ten amendments are supposed to be the fundamental rights of all people, so not exactly optional.

Despite the fact that most people cannot tell you what the other amendments say or what they mean, everybody knows that the Second Amendment means that owning guns is a fundamental right of all people that can never be impeached or tyranny will reign forever.

Despite the fact that the text says:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

If the idea was that every person should be able to have unregulated and unlimited access to guns as a fundamental right of people, why wasn't that what the 2nd Amendment said? Why did it go into having regulations on a militia? The idea seems to me pretty clear is that the people should organize themselves into a militia and have rules and training and so forth. Which in the context of a frontier settler society in the 18th century makes perfect sense. You would have to be a nut to live in most of the United States in the 18th century and not have a fire arm and the skill to use and maintain it even if you lived in some pacifist Quaker community or something.

But it is pretty hopeless. The interpretation that this means every psychopath with a desire to murder, and untrained and unqualified amateur, should be able to have unlimited access to weaponry seems to be both enshrined in law but also in the minds of many Americans. I don't know what the ultimate outcome is but we seem to be going down this track for a while. I do think eventually there will be a reaction against this idea but we will see.

[Oexmelin]

There will be no reaction.

I mean. There's nothing right now. What will change?

[Valmy]

There will be no reaction.

I mean. There's nothing right now. What will change?

If there isn't, there isn't. I have this weird feeling we have been around this block before, where long celebrations of gun culture have this reaction and then swings back in the other direction for awhile.

Over time as more and more people get personally impacted suddenly shit becomes real. Or at least that is how it is happened before with other issues.

I am not even saying this as some kind of optimistic prediction that good sense and virtue will prevail. Just that eventually there will be a reaction, it might be worse than the disease. I don't know.

[The Minsky Moment]

You know the US is fucked when Serbia of all places shows how people are meant to behave after a mass shooting.

It is the second amendment. As soon as you even discuss doing anything people freak out like you want to overturn the Constitution and set up a dictatorship.

The second amendment is just an excuse to justify a pre-existing viewpoint.  For two centuries no one interpreted the Second Amendment to block severe regulation of personal use of firearms; it took a court deliberately packed with radical extremists to pick up fringe scholarship and make it into constitutional law.

[The Minsky Moment]

If there isn't, there isn't. I have this weird feeling we have been around this block before, where long celebrations of gun culture have this reaction and then swings back in the other direction for awhile.

I don't think there has been any point in US history with this kind of entrenched, politicized gun culture.