2024 US Presidential Elections Megathread

[Tamas]

So much for state's right then eh? Of course that only applies if it suits their agenda.

It only indirectly relates but this reminded me of a neat summary of Trump-like populists (or: post-truth populists) I have heard: dishonest politicians lie to the electorate. Post-truth populists enter into a co-conspiracy with a portion of the electorate that let go of the difference between lies and truth, i.e. internal coherence.

[Zoupa]

The slow-burn fascist coup continues.

But who cares, when there's a UN resolution over Gaza is at stake.

Alabama says an embryo is a person. Georgia passes bill allowing police to arrest anyone suspected of being in country illegally, ie "we don't like your face".

Get out while you can, folks.

[garbon]

The slow-burn fascist coup continues.

But who cares, when there's a UN resolution over Gaza is at stake.

Alabama says an embryo is a person. Georgia passes bill allowing police to arrest anyone suspected of being in country illegally, ie "we don't like your face".

Get out while you can, folks.

I don't think many here were ever in danger in living in those states.

[Zoupa]

The rot will reach federal levels if it hasn't already.

[Razgovory]

The ice cream fuss is just insane.

That whole line of Palestinian reasoning is predicated on an entire "pyramid of lies", and that seems to be typical of how Palestinians and their allies in the West view the conflict.

No Democrat who was sane enough and who has broad enough appeal to win election was ever going to side with Hamas as they continue to hold Israeli hostages in a war they started. That appears to be the position these people expect.

Don't be daft. Nobody wants anybody to side with Hamas.
Again stop conflating Hamas and Palestinian civilians.

  Lots of people side with Hamas.  Including a significant number of Palestinians.  Lots of Westerners too, you know, like when people projected "glory to our martyrs" on buildings on US campuses.

You vastly overestimate their numbers and conflate them to anyone who says "Israel is being a bit bad in Gaza isn't it?"

How many people do you think side with Hamas in this conflict in Palestine?  How many in the Muslim world?  How many in the Rest of the World?

[Iormlund]

I'd say most of the people that side with Hamas don't even know they do.

[Valmy]

The slow-burn fascist coup continues.

But who cares, when there's a UN resolution over Gaza is at stake.

Alabama says an embryo is a person. Georgia passes bill allowing police to arrest anyone suspected of being in country illegally, ie "we don't like your face".

Get out while you can, folks.

Never. I will never concede to those assholes. I will go to the gas chambers first. This is our country to.

[garbon]

The ice cream fuss is just insane.

Van Leeuwen is good ice cream though.

[viper37]

The slow-burn fascist coup continues.

But who cares, when there's a UN resolution over Gaza is at stake.

Alabama says an embryo is a person. Georgia passes bill allowing police to arrest anyone suspected of being in country illegally, ie "we don't like your face".

Get out while you can, folks.

Never. I will never concede to those assholes. I will go to the gas chambers first. This is our country to.

I'm still on the fence.

Do I lobby the Bloc Québécois for a wall, or do I support an underground railroad?

[viper37]

The slow-burn fascist coup continues.

But who cares, when there's a UN resolution over Gaza is at stake.

Alabama says an embryo is a person. Georgia passes bill allowing police to arrest anyone suspected of being in country illegally, ie "we don't like your face".

Get out while you can, folks.

I don't think many here were ever in danger in living in those states.

We have Texans, we have Republicans, and we have expats.

Besides, the thing with fire, is, once the house is on fire, it can pretty much go anywhere.  Actual firewall only delay the inevitable if there's no fire units.

[Valmy]

We have Texans, we have Republicans, and we have expats.

Besides, the thing with fire, is, once the house is on fire, it can pretty much go anywhere.  Actual firewall only delay the inevitable if there's no fire units.

Yeah, my state basically treats human beings as if they are wild animals. Well ok Texas probably wouldn't treat animals as badly as it treats immigrants.

[Admiral Yi]

Had this been the general election, I would agree. It was not. It was the primary where there is basically zero chance for any outcome other than Biden winning in absolutely dominant fashion. If not voicing one's displeasure with policy in such a zero stakes situation is wrong, how can people do it? It seems like no matter how people try to signal they are not happy with things, no matter how benign, is met with anger, mockery, and attacks. I fear it will only lead to people turning their back on the system in apathy or much more damaging ways of voicing their displeasure.

I have heard several Muslims interviewed on NPR say that they will do the same in the general election if their demands are not met.  That is not low stakes.  That is not benign.

[Valmy]

Had this been the general election, I would agree. It was not. It was the primary where there is basically zero chance for any outcome other than Biden winning in absolutely dominant fashion. If not voicing one's displeasure with policy in such a zero stakes situation is wrong, how can people do it? It seems like no matter how people try to signal they are not happy with things, no matter how benign, is met with anger, mockery, and attacks. I fear it will only lead to people turning their back on the system in apathy or much more damaging ways of voicing their displeasure.

I have heard several Muslims interviewed on NPR say that they will do the same in the general election if their demands are not met.  That is not low stakes.  That is not benign.

Agreed. And if we give in to their demands then Israel supporters might do something similar.

There is no winning being involved in this Israel/Palestine business. It is a toxic issue.

[Razgovory]

Had this been the general election, I would agree. It was not. It was the primary where there is basically zero chance for any outcome other than Biden winning in absolutely dominant fashion. If not voicing one's displeasure with policy in such a zero stakes situation is wrong, how can people do it? It seems like no matter how people try to signal they are not happy with things, no matter how benign, is met with anger, mockery, and attacks. I fear it will only lead to people turning their back on the system in apathy or much more damaging ways of voicing their displeasure.

I have heard several Muslims interviewed on NPR say that they will do the same in the general election if their demands are not met.  That is not low stakes.  That is not benign.

Oh, come now.  It's not like Palestinians have ever affected an American presidential election.

[grumbler]

I'm still on the fence.

Do I lobby the Bloc Québécois for a wall, or do I support an underground railroad?

The rot will reach Canada if it hasn't already.