Quote from: crazy canuck on May 10, 2024, 09:39:25 AMSheilbh, you have often commented that the UK Conservatives are fascinated by our own PP. Are the Reform folks there trying to do what the Reformers did here?To be clear I don't think the Tories as they're in office now are that interested in PP. I think they're still very focused on re-running the 2010s playbook and also, perhaps, realise that they can't do it after 14 years in office.
Quote from: Josquius on May 10, 2024, 10:54:52 AMQuote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on May 10, 2024, 10:46:57 AMThe Russians are attacking Kharkiv again. From the north, as has been hinted at for the past few weeks
As I said a page or two back and was shouted down.
Hopefully Ukraine was prepared enough for it. Opening new fronts does seem to be to Russia's advantage.
I guess/hope Russia are just doing this to try and grab all they can before Ukraine is fully rearmed rather than genuinely seeing serious opportunity for a breakthrough.
Quote from: Josephus on May 10, 2024, 10:38:11 AMHe was a great and entertaining commentator in his day; but he is one of those people who should have been sent to pasture years ago.
Quote from: Josquius on May 10, 2024, 10:58:14 AMQuote from: Barrister on May 10, 2024, 10:30:00 AMQuote from: Josquius on May 10, 2024, 03:16:52 AMLeft wing distate for Israel is nothing to do with race and more policy.
So obviously I can't comment on the motivations of every leftist, nor put numbers on how many feel this way - but come on.
It's not very hard at all to find anti-semitism in a hard-left mindspace. As a leftist you're very suspicious of big corporations. And who controls the big corporations? Why the Jews of course!
Obviously, there's all kinds of people in the world. There'll be people who are a hardcore socialists but really really super racist.
But the general dislike for Israel comes from the policies towards Palestine rather than any sort of hate for white people. Thats a weird belief that festers on the far right.Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on May 10, 2024, 10:07:13 AMQuote from: Josquius on May 10, 2024, 03:16:52 AMThe rest though, no. Left wing distate for Israel is nothing to do with race and more policy.
The fact that you continue to deny this is basically bordering on you being antisemitic as well. Someone who continually shoves their fingers in their ears and chants "this isn't happening" while his fellow travelers (some of whom, like Jeremy Corbyn, have been steeped in antisemitism since the 1960s) chant antisemitic slogans, is essentially normalizing and condoning said antisemitism.
And no, I am not saying everyone on the left. But if even 1 in 10 people I affiliated with was antisemitic, I would insist they be denounced, denounce them myself, and insist they be kicked out of any organizations I shared with them. If those organizations refused, I would leave them. I wouldn't affiliate with people who affiliated with people like that.
I never denied anti-semitism is happening. Stop making shit up.
The topic was its origin.
On the left its far more commonly a case of distaste for Israeli policy first which can then become warped and develop into anti-semitism rather than hating Jews first thus its natural that hating Israel would be an outgrowth of that.
Quote from: Barrister on May 10, 2024, 10:02:21 AMQuote from: Josquius on May 10, 2024, 03:28:36 AMI recall back in the noughties when I'd dream of a golden age where the Tories are dead and buried and the Lib Dems take their place as the other main party.
If only the Lib Dems had their shit in order then we could actually be heading there.
But yes. The Tories have a floor that is even harder to break than the Labour one.
The thing is - if this happened the Lib Dems would eventually be pretty much exactly like the Tories.
I can point to an example of this: British Columbia. There wasa long-time "Conservative" Party that ruled the province for a number of years called the SoCreds. SoCreds collapsed in scandal, leading to a left-wing NDP government. With a giant void on the right side of the spectrum the provincial Liberals stepped in - but this pretty quickly made the Liberals the "Conservative" party in BC.
Quote from: Barrister on May 10, 2024, 10:30:00 AMQuote from: Josquius on May 10, 2024, 03:16:52 AMLeft wing distate for Israel is nothing to do with race and more policy.
So obviously I can't comment on the motivations of every leftist, nor put numbers on how many feel this way - but come on.
It's not very hard at all to find anti-semitism in a hard-left mindspace. As a leftist you're very suspicious of big corporations. And who controls the big corporations? Why the Jews of course!
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on May 10, 2024, 10:07:13 AMQuote from: Josquius on May 10, 2024, 03:16:52 AMThe rest though, no. Left wing distate for Israel is nothing to do with race and more policy.
The fact that you continue to deny this is basically bordering on you being antisemitic as well. Someone who continually shoves their fingers in their ears and chants "this isn't happening" while his fellow travelers (some of whom, like Jeremy Corbyn, have been steeped in antisemitism since the 1960s) chant antisemitic slogans, is essentially normalizing and condoning said antisemitism.
And no, I am not saying everyone on the left. But if even 1 in 10 people I affiliated with was antisemitic, I would insist they be denounced, denounce them myself, and insist they be kicked out of any organizations I shared with them. If those organizations refused, I would leave them. I wouldn't affiliate with people who affiliated with people like that.
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on May 10, 2024, 10:46:57 AMThe Russians are attacking Kharkiv again. From the north, as has been hinted at for the past few weeks
Quote from: crazy canuck on May 10, 2024, 09:51:31 AMJacob and GF may be too young to
Remember him before he went hard right. He gave brilliant commentary on the National and as PRC mentioned he was a gracious host of Cross Country Checkup. I don't know what happened to him after he left the CBC but he seemed to become a completely different person. Hopefully someone will write a biography- it would be a fascinating read.
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