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Names, parties and political programs to follow shortly, for those interested.  :P
It's not too late! Yet, that is. Final results not until March 20th, with emigrant, expat and Luso-descendant votes.

Fixed thanks to Jacob.

For the sake of the Portuguese Republic, if a mod could fix it the last link with this image instead, most Portuguese people would be most grateful  :P    :

Fixed thanks to Jacob.

@HVC

Do you even vote?  :D

I am torn between the gangster and the lifeguard.  Went with the lifeguard.  Everyone else is going to vote for the revised picture.

No one yet for the fluffy elephant guy? Nah, that can't be. :o

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on March 12, 2024, 01:30:03 PMNo one yet for the fluffy elephant guy? Nah, that can't be. :o

Makes me think he is a Republican.

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on March 12, 2024, 01:16:00 PM@HVC

Do you even vote?  :D

Not a citizen :P I tried getting dual citizenship 20 or so years ago, but because my parents marriage isn't registered there it was a hassle. Would have been easier being a bastard :D Might still do it, but I have to register the marriage first unless they've changed things.

Quote from: HVC on March 12, 2024, 01:34:08 PM

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on March 12, 2024, 01:16:00 PM@HVC

Do you even vote?  :D

Not a citizen :P I tried getting dual citizenship 20 or so years ago, but because my parents marriage isn't registered there it was a hassle. Would have been easier being a bastard :D Might still do it, but I have to register the marriage first unless they've changed things.

Some people would retort that you are a lucky bastard for not having to choose between them.  :D

PS: here is a northern Portuguese word for you, which made its way into Castilian, for bastard: zorro.  :lol:

Quote from: Valmy on March 12, 2024, 01:32:08 PM

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on March 12, 2024, 01:30:03 PMNo one yet for the fluffy elephant guy? Nah, that can't be. :o

Makes me think he is a Republican.

I swear I did not imply it by using the traditional mascot of the GOP!  :goodboy:

I voted for Guy Caballero


(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/superepicfailpedia/images/3/3d/Guy_Caballero_1_Rogers_on_Demand.png)

Quote from: crazy canuck on March 12, 2024, 01:28:07 PMI am torn between the gangster and the lifeguard.  Went with the lifeguard.  Everyone else is going to vote for the revised picture.

That is the best best, I'd say.

Quote from: HVC on March 12, 2024, 01:38:49 PMI voted for Guy Caballero


(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/superepicfailpedia/images/3/3d/Guy_Caballero_1_Rogers_on_Demand.png)

Good choice. For a Moor that is...  :lol:

Where would my Jewish vote go for, the 4th guy I assume :D

Don't forget your gypsy vote.  :D

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on March 12, 2024, 01:45:03 PMDon't forget your gypsy vote.  :D

They don't vote, silly.

Quote from: HVC on March 12, 2024, 01:45:37 PM

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on March 12, 2024, 01:45:03 PMDon't forget your gypsy vote.  :D

They don't vote, silly.

Orban makes them vote in Hungary.  :P
There is one candidate who likes taking pot shots at them, so they might have voted a bit more than usual.  :contract:

As a matter of fact, highest voting rate since 1996, with a record number of votes from Portuguese abroad.  :) 

Guy with elephant is tempting but it has to be 1970s pimp.

Born in 1975, make of that what you will.

One last candidate, could not add more options in the poll:

(https://images.impresa.pt/expresso/2022-12-15-JPG_7082_T-_IDP.jpg-9e7a205f/original/mw-860)

There were 17 or so in the ballot, so I had to make tough choices. :(

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on March 12, 2024, 01:16:00 PMFor the sake of the Portuguese Republic, if a mod could fix it the last link with this image instead,

It was a missing square bracket, which I fixed. For the Portuguese Republic, naturally.

Quote from: Jacob on March 12, 2024, 02:57:11 PM

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on March 12, 2024, 01:16:00 PMFor the sake of the Portuguese Republic, if a mod could fix it the last link with this image instead,

It was a missing square bracket, which I fixed. For the Portuguese Republic, naturally.

Obrigado!  :cheers:

Quote from: HVC on March 12, 2024, 01:34:08 PM

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on March 12, 2024, 01:16:00 PM@HVC

Do you even vote?  :D

Not a citizen :P I tried getting dual citizenship 20 or so years ago, but because my parents marriage isn't registered there it was a hassle. Would have been easier being a bastard :D Might still do it, but I have to register the marriage first unless they've changed things.

I gotta admit - if I could get an EU passport I'd put up with a lot of hassle.

Even if it was a crappy country like Portugal. :P


On the poll itself - I dunno, I gotta go with Ms. double-chin.

Try this if you can  :P :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugal_Golden_Visa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugal_Golden_Visa)

QuoteEligibility
The eligibility criteria to obtain a Portugal Golden Visa included:

- A Capital Transfer with a value equal to or above €1,5 million
- The creation of at least 10 jobs
- The purchase of real estate property of at least €500,000 or above
- The purchase of real estate property, with construction dating back more than 30 years or located in urban regeneration areas, for refurbishing, for a total value equal to or above €350,000
- Capital transfer with a value equal to or above €500,000 for investing in research activities conducted by public or private scientific research institutions involved in the national scientific or technologic system
- Capital transfer with a value equal to or above €250,000 for investing in artistic output or supporting the arts
- Capital transfer of the amount of €500,000, or higher, for the acquisition of units of investment funds or venture capital fund of funds dedicated to the capitalization of companies, capital injected under the Portuguese legislation, whose maturity, at the moment of the investment, is, at least, of five years and, at least, 60% of the investments is realized in commercial companies with head office in national territory
- Capital transfer of the amount of €500,000, or higher, for constitution of a commercial society with head office in the national territory, combined with the creation of five permanent working jobs, or for the reinforcement of the share capital of a commercial society with head office in national territory, already existing, with the creation or keeping of working jobs, with a minimum of five permanent jobs, and for a minimum period of three years.

Portuguese, European Union and European Economic Area nationals are not eligible for the ARI / Golden Visa scheme.[6]

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on March 12, 2024, 03:29:32 PMTry this if you can  :P :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugal_Golden_Visa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugal_Golden_Visa)

QuoteEligibility
The eligibility criteria to obtain a Portugal Golden Visa included:

- A Capital Transfer with a value equal to or above €1,5 million
- The creation of at least 10 jobs
- The purchase of real estate property of at least €500,000 or above
- The purchase of real estate property, with construction dating back more than 30 years or located in urban regeneration areas, for refurbishing, for a total value equal to or above €350,000
- Capital transfer with a value equal to or above €500,000 for investing in research activities conducted by public or private scientific research institutions involved in the national scientific or technologic system
- Capital transfer with a value equal to or above €250,000 for investing in artistic output or supporting the arts
- Capital transfer of the amount of €500,000, or higher, for the acquisition of units of investment funds or venture capital fund of funds dedicated to the capitalization of companies, capital injected under the Portuguese legislation, whose maturity, at the moment of the investment, is, at least, of five years and, at least, 60% of the investments is realized in commercial companies with head office in national territory
- Capital transfer of the amount of €500,000, or higher, for constitution of a commercial society with head office in the national territory, combined with the creation of five permanent working jobs, or for the reinforcement of the share capital of a commercial society with head office in national territory, already existing, with the creation or keeping of working jobs, with a minimum of five permanent jobs, and for a minimum period of three years.

Portuguese, European Union and European Economic Area nationals are not eligible for the ARI / Golden Visa scheme.[6]

I think I would value "hassle" as a lot less than 1.5 million Euros...

I was more thinking like a couple afternoons of paperwork.

It's unfortunate though that on both sides of my heritage, they're A: both been in Canada like 5 generations and B: neither are EU countries (UK / Ukraine).

You've never had to deal with Portuguese bureaucracy  :D

That being said I probably will do it. Maybe Poilievre's Canada will push me to it :ph34r: :P

Ukrainian immigrants have Portuguese citizenship now, in some cases, despite having to lose their Ukrainian citizenship (no dual citizenship in Ukraine).

Quote from: HVC on March 12, 2024, 03:39:48 PMYou've never had to deal with Portuguese bureaucracy  :D

That being said I probably will do it. Maybe Poilievre's Canada will push me to it :ph34r: :P

I guess it varies, being near the biggest Portuguese consulate in France, but I remember getting my ID and passport quicker in the consulate than if it were through the mairie as a French citizen.

It's been years since I've been to Portugal, but I remember even then there were a lot of Ukrainians in Lisbon.

Quote from: HVC on March 12, 2024, 03:39:48 PMYou've never had to deal with Portuguese bureaucracy  :D

That being said I probably will do it. Maybe Poilievre's Canada will push me to it :ph34r: :P

I remember having to apply to get a visa to go to Brazil - does that count... :ph34r:

Quote from: HVC on March 12, 2024, 03:42:11 PMIt's been years since I've been to Portugal, but I remember even then there were a lot of Ukrainians in Lisbon.

We are legion. :shifty:

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on March 12, 2024, 03:41:45 PM

Quote from: HVC on March 12, 2024, 03:39:48 PMYou've never had to deal with Portuguese bureaucracy  :D

That being said I probably will do it. Maybe Poilievre's Canada will push me to it :ph34r: :P

I guess it varies, being near the biggest Portuguese consulate in France, but I remember getting my ID and passport quicker in the consulate than if it were through the mairie as a French citizen.

The Toronto consulate was never great, but since Covid it's gotten a lot worse. My mother has had to some paperwork. It's like a weird hybrid of online and by appointment, but with the worst aspects of each.

Quote from: HVC on March 12, 2024, 03:43:35 PM

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on March 12, 2024, 03:41:45 PM

Quote from: HVC on March 12, 2024, 03:39:48 PMYou've never had to deal with Portuguese bureaucracy  :D

That being said I probably will do it. Maybe Poilievre's Canada will push me to it :ph34r: :P

I guess it varies, being near the biggest Portuguese consulate in France, but I remember getting my ID and passport quicker in the consulate than if it were through the mairie as a French citizen.

The Toronto consulate was never great, but since Covid it's gotten a lot worse. My mother has had to some paperwork. It's like a weird hybrid of online and by appointment, but with the worst aspects of each.

The Covid indeed messed things up, but I'd say it's back to normal, at least over here.
Avoid the period before the summer holidays, it's the worst usually.

Was torn between the elephant plushie and the sun glasses. Voted :cool:

Went with the Traditional Languish Pick. I was happy with the result when I looked her up.  :)

Today I learned the conservative party in Portugal is called the social democrats  :lol:

Check your info, because the conservatives are the CDS-PP (Centro Democrático e Social-Partido Popular). Problem is, they are a junior partner in the current centre-right/conservative coalition (2 MPs vs 77 for the PSD (centre-right). PSD stands for Partido Social-Democrata, by the way.  :P

There is also a monarchist party in the AD (Aliança Democrática) but they are not significant and even imploded before the election.  :D Name: Partido Popular Monárquico

N.B: the monarchists are only allied to the centre-right and conservatives in Continental Portugal, not in the archipelagos of Madeira and Azores.  :contract:

PS: translations are pretty easy to figure out.

For the Germans other than Syt which mentioned it once, CDU i.e Coligação Democrática Unitária are communists, with some self-styled Greens  :lol:

Their candidate is in the last pic I posted, the one which could not make it to the poll.

Quote from: Josquius on March 13, 2024, 10:57:08 AMToday I learned the conservative party in Portugal is called the social democrats  :lol:

Sort of like how the far right nationalist authoritarian party in Russia is called the Liberal Democratic Party.

Quote from: Valmy on March 13, 2024, 12:30:08 PM

Quote from: Josquius on March 13, 2024, 10:57:08 AMToday I learned the conservative party in Portugal is called the social democrats  :lol:

Sort of like how the far right nationalist authoritarian party in Russia is called the Liberal Democratic Party.

The grand-daddy of all political party "false advertising" names was that a little German political party called the National Socialists...

Quote from: Valmy on March 13, 2024, 12:30:08 PM

Quote from: Josquius on March 13, 2024, 10:57:08 AMToday I learned the conservative party in Portugal is called the social democrats  :lol:

Sort of like how the far right nationalist authoritarian party in Russia is called the Liberal Democratic Party.

Think of the PSD as a bourgeois social-democrat party in the German style, as in post Bad Godesberg Program (1959), with Helmut Schmidt as a model. The left wing of the PSD is not that far apart from the right wing of the PS, as a matter of fact.

The CDS-PP is the real Conservative party, of the Christian Democrat variety, such as the CDU in Germany, pre-Merkel that is.
The near-collapse of the CDS-PP is one of the reasons for the surge of a new party on the right, more precisely to the right of the CDS-PP. More info on that shortly. :ph34r:

The funny part is that guys PHD thesis was about the harm of populism and attacking minorities :D plus he's an ex seminary and writes homoerotic novels, so possible closet case . Sheilbh would love him :lol:

Quote from: HVC on March 13, 2024, 02:00:13 PMThe funny part is that guys PHD thesis was about the harm of populism and attacking minorities :D plus he's an ex seminary and writes homoerotic novels, so possible closet case . Sheilbh would love him :lol:

You forgot the worst part, he was a well-known pro-Benfica troll post-game analyst/colour commentator in a trashy news channel.  :P
A former PSD guy, who did not advance quickly enough, for him that is, and saw on opening on the right, I guess.

As for his literary works, wiki only gives these

Books
Introdução à Fiscalidade, e-book, Lisboa (2017)
Justiça, Corrupção e Jornalismo (co-authored with Miguel Fernandes), Vida Económica (2015)
A Nova Justiça Internacional, Chiado Editora, Lisboa (2015)
A Nova Administração Pública (inclui a nova Lei Geral do Trabalho em Funções Públicas anotada), Quid Juris, Lisboa (2014)
A Reforma do IRC (com António Carlos dos Santos), Vida Económica, Lisboa (2014)
Lições de Direito Fiscal, Chiado Editora, Lisboa (2014)
Lições de Direito Penal, Volume I, UAL / Instituto de Direito Publico / Chiado Editora (2013), Montenegro, com 2.ª ed. revista, pela Chiado Editora, Lisboa (2008)
A Última Madrugada do Islão, Chiado Editora, Lisboa (2009)

Not that exciting.  :D

Being a Benfica fan is his only good quality :D

Yes, for Moors and/or Salazarists.  :P

Weird, wiki has this section:

QuoteHe published two novels, Montenegro in 2008, and A Última Madrugada do Islão ("The Last Dawn of Islam") in 2009, both with significant elements of female submission and homoeroticism.

But only lists one of his novels in his books section. Read up about him a few weeks ago when my mom mentioned him.

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on March 13, 2024, 02:20:12 PMYes, for Moors and/or Salazarists.  :P

Hey, if you kept bribing the refs Porto could be doing better. No need to be salty at Benfica for being ahead of you :D

I don't actually follow Portuguese soccer :lol: my dad was a Benfica fan, his brothers sporting though.

Quote from: HVC on March 13, 2024, 02:22:13 PMWeird, wiki has this section:

QuoteHe published two novels, Montenegro in 2008, and A Última Madrugada do Islão ("The Last Dawn of Islam") in 2009, both with significant elements of female submission and homoeroticism.

But doesn't list those novels in his books section. Read up about him a few weeks ago when my mom mentioned him.

Point taken but female submission and homoeroticism are not exactly compatible.  :hmm:
Also, not a fan of islam; death penalty in islam for homosexuals might be as stumbling block, given the homoeroticism.

Montenegro is the surname of the PSD leader. Coincidence? Of course not! :tinfoil:

Quote from: HVC on March 13, 2024, 02:24:08 PM

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on March 13, 2024, 02:20:12 PMYes, for Moors and/or Salazarists.  :P

Hey, if you kept bribing the refs Porto could be doing better. No need to be salty at Benfica for being ahead of you :D

May I remind you that Porto thrashed Benfica 5-0 last week? No need for that, leave it to the Moors er... Benfica.
Besides, even Benfica can't do that in European cups, they are no Franco F.C 1 or 2, Barça, Rubentus (insert your most hated team).

QuoteI don't actually follow Portuguese soccer :lol: my dad was a Benfica fan, his brothers sporting though.

It shows. Vide supra.  :P

HVC

Now that you have caught up on Portuguese football, this meme will make sense to you  :P :

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PS: 6 milhões is a reference to the alleged number of Benfiquistas in Portugal (out of 11 million Portuguese  :lol: ), according to their Propaganda Staffel.  :D

The most perceptive readers of this thread will have now figured it out about one of the options of the poll.  :)

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on March 13, 2024, 01:41:58 PMThink of the PSD as a bourgeois social-democrat party in the German style, as in post Bad Godesberg Program (1959), with Helmut Schmidt as a model. The left wing of the PSD is not that far apart from the right wing of the PS, as a matter of fact.

Maggie Thatcher always had a meeting with Helmut Schmidt whenever she visited Germany, reportedly she said she enjoyed talking to someone more right wing than her :lol: (And, of course, never got on with Kohl.)

Quote from: Sheilbh on March 27, 2024, 09:34:25 PM

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on March 13, 2024, 01:41:58 PMThink of the PSD as a bourgeois social-democrat party in the German style, as in post Bad Godesberg Program (1959), with Helmut Schmidt as a model. The left wing of the PSD is not that far apart from the right wing of the PS, as a matter of fact.

Maggie Thatcher always had a meeting with Helmut Schmidt whenever she visited Germany, reportedly she said she enjoyed talking to someone more right wing than her :lol: (And, of course, never got on with Kohl.)

Now Kohl's CDU would be the model for the CDS-PP, the very junior partner of this AD, as in the only true conservatives, of the Christian-Drmocrat variety.

Results arrived, coming soon!

Spoiler : beach boy won, by a slight margin.
Hat boy was the real winner, however.