Anyone bought it?
I haven't bought one for a while and am very very tempted. But...was looking at steam and there are so many terrible reviews....
Inevitably I will. I normally wait till after the January trasfer window when it goes on sale.
Yeah I will get it, just waiting so far.
Same here, I usually wait until it goes on sale in the winter.
Bought it.
Pros: It looks good. And once you get used to the changes in the interface, they help.
Cons: May need serious patching. I've been racking up hockey scores. 8-4. 7-2. 6-3. :huh: :showoff:
Quote from: Norgy on November 21, 2014, 05:37:50 AM
Cons: May need serious patching. I've been racking up hockey scores. 8-4. 7-2. 6-3. :huh: :showoff:
That's the other reason why I always defer purchase until later into the season; the game always comes very buggy out of the gate - which is sort of understandable given the ultrashort development cycle.
Quote from: Norgy on November 21, 2014, 05:37:50 AM
Bought it.
Pros: It looks good. And once you get used to the changes in the interface, they help.
Cons: May need serious patching. I've been racking up hockey scores. 8-4. 7-2. 6-3. :huh: :showoff:
Forest kicking some hinder there!
Quote from: Norgy on November 21, 2014, 05:37:50 AM
Bought it.
Pros: It looks good. And once you get used to the changes in the interface, they help.
Cons: May need serious patching. I've been racking up hockey scores. 8-4. 7-2. 6-3. :huh: :showoff:
Yeah, I've read that is a major problem.
One thing I was really hoping for is for them to sort out the match engine and have your players behave in a way that actually looks like a real football game. It seems like they didn't put any effort in there though.
It's not just that. The ball physics seem a bit odd at times too.
It has evened out with the scores throughout the season. Players who were on fire early on have faded, and struggle.
It's hard to measure FM 15 up against the previous versions, but I am enjoying it a fair bit. Don't like the microtransactions though.
What Microtransactions does it have?
Quote from: Tyr on November 22, 2014, 06:35:05 AM
Quote from: Norgy on November 21, 2014, 05:37:50 AM
Bought it.
Pros: It looks good. And once you get used to the changes in the interface, they help.
Cons: May need serious patching. I've been racking up hockey scores. 8-4. 7-2. 6-3. :huh: :showoff:
Yeah, I've read that is a major problem.
One thing I was really hoping for is for them to sort out the match engine and have your players behave in a way that actually looks like a real football game. It seems like they didn't put any effort in there though.
I always find defenders have been too eager to kick the ball out for a corner in most games.
Quote from: Alcibiades on November 22, 2014, 02:00:27 PM
What Microtransactions does it have?
The entire transfer system. :ph34r:
Quote from: Alcibiades on November 22, 2014, 02:00:27 PM
What Microtransactions does it have?
Buying an ingame editor, extra transfer money. You pay for cheats.
Well that sucks. I recall the fan-made ingame editor in the previous games was quite useful for fixing incidences where the game was a bit off.
I'm still enjoying 14, any real reason to get 15?
I've bought it together with some other friends for the purpose of playing it online together, we'll be beginning a 5 player MP campaign in the Premier League in January. By luck of the draw I got Man City so I expect it to be cushy for me.
Sounds cool, look forward to hearing how that works.
Never done MP. How does that work?
If there's any interest for it, we could download a European Super League mod and have a go at MP. :)
Never done MP. How does that work?
Interested but yeah never did MP in FM before.
Me neither, but it's rather similar to PBEM (with turns) I have gathered.
Bought it. It's on sale at Steam
It was cheap on amazon. Nice to get the physical version cheaper than digital.
So far its pretty good. Though yes. Players in matches are....weird. SO MANY occasions of the ball hitting players and guys stumbling around like amateurs.
Noticed the Premier League, the teams don't have the proper badges, crests....that's new I think.
Yeah, its a pain, fixed that ASAP.
The J-League doesn't even exist.
sortitoutsi is a good place to go for that, Josephus.
So it is. thanks
Following Sunderland's miraculous "Great Escape" of the 2013-2014 season, many fully expected Gus Poyet to renew his contract and guide Sunderland to greater things in the following season.
It wasn't to be.
Apparently due to profound disagreements with the club chairman Poyet left the club.
His hastily found replacement was a young, relative unknown. This, combined with the 20 million transfer fund that appeared for him seemingly out of nowhere, led one leading football pundit to suggest witchcraft was at work.
Transfers
Sunderland's pre-season was a period of a lot of movement at the Stadium of Light. A wide variety of players were targeted, many of these attempts ending in complete failure. However there was still quite a lot of transfer activity for Sunderland.
First up, Houssine Kharja. A 32 year old Moroccan international who spent most of his career in the Italian leagues. Unattached for the previous season he was convinced to dust off his boots to give some depth to the Sunderland squad.
Next, a 21 year old Colombian central defender by the name of Éder Álvarez Balanta, bought for 5 million from River in the Argentinian league. Very highly spoke of by the Sunderland manager he was a signing expected to make a big impact.
Another South American defender was also brought in. Argentinian wing back Gino Peruzzi, 4 million from serie A.
With a view to the longer term several hot prospects were also pursued. There were three success stories here, Luka Jovic, Fabio Castellano and Martin Odegaard, who would join in January.
Last but not least was Argentinian midfielder Diego Valeri, brought out of the American league to provide further options in the middle of the park.
Leaving Sunderland there was a lot less activity beyond the usual plethora of loan moves for young players.
Misfiring striker Danny Graham headed to QPR for 2 million. Having originally cost Sunderland 5 million this move may not have seemed the best business but given the quality he had so far shown for Sunderland many were happy to have him off the books.
Attempts to get rid of American international Jose Altidore and Cape Verdian Cabral came to nought.
Summer
Sunderland did not have the most confidence building of pre-seasons. A series of losses and draws against opposition of far lower quality left some in Sunderland very worried about the year to come. Nonetheless the key focus of pre-season was in fitness building, and the new manager experimented a lot with his tactical options.
What was particularly worrying about this poor run of form was that the gods of scheduling had determined that the first game of the season would be one of the most important of the year for Sunderland's supporters; away to arch-rivals Newcastle United.
Thankfully, it seemed Newcastle too were not quite ready for the season, and the game proved to be rather drab as derbies go. Adam Johnson's single goal being enough to grant Sunderland victory.
The performance wasn't great but a win against Newcastle was a brilliant way to start a season. Many supporters were excited for what was to come....
The following games- were less than impressive. A 4-0 cup win against Cambridge being Sunderland's only win in 5 games. Every other match, against the solidly beatable teams of West Ham, Crystal Palace, Swansea and Hull, ended in a draw.
They weren't losses, Sunderland's defence seemed to be doing their job at least. But their tactics going forward just weren't working out.
Several different formations were tested, 4-4-2, 3-1-4-2-1, 5-3-2, but this experimentation served only to hinder Sunderland becoming comfortable with a way to play.
There was one bright spell towards the end of September. The following round of the league cup saw Sunderland drawn against Swansea, two weeks after drawing against them in the league they came out 3-1 winners in the cup.
This game was followed by a televised 1-0 defeat to Manchester United.
To be beaten by a big team such as Man Utd is hardly the end of the world but still, it was largely just through luck that Sunderland were holding on, things were not going too well.
I'm on my third season in Norway, and miracles are still happening. After winning the double after promotion with Fredrikstad, the team managed, even after hemorraging players to bigger clubs abroad, to get past the hurdles of Legia Warszawa, Sheriff Tiraspol and Red Bull Salzburg to land a place in the Champions League group stage. This should shore up the finances for next season. I am currently on the way to another double, mostly because all the competitors in the top in the league don't get results in the final 10 games, while I have some uninspiring wins. With 4 games to go, Fredrikstad are crowned champions and have a cup final waiting.
The group stage in the Champions League was tough so far.
A wholly undeserved 2-1 win at home against Juventus (thanks to set piece marvels and a sainted goalkeeper), a 0-1 defeat at Dortmund (should've been 0-7 or so) and an unlucky 1-1 away at Galatasaray. I am mainly just concerned with not ending last. I've sold almost an entire team in the interval of two seasons. Granted, I have bought a few players too, but I try to bring through more players from the youth team. The club is running at a healthy profit, and I just turned down a job at AS Roma.
After much trial and error, I've found a good formation and a tactic flexible enough to cope against better teams and worse teams. I play very much the possession football now. I played more direct in my first two seasons, as I had more pace for the final third. Now I have few pacy players, but lots of good passers and some creative players and a penalty box striker who scores frequently. So I switched. We play short passes, work the ball into the box, exploit the flanks and look for overlaps. And turn up the tempo and put pressure on the opponents. I start with the mentality "standard" or "control" against Norwegian teams, "counter" or "defensive" against teams like Dortmund and Juventus. What may seem odd, is that I instruct the team to play narrower, given that they are expected to exploit the flanks. That's where the short passing and overlaps come in. Full backs bomb forward and have more assists than my wingers. The formation is simple. A wide 4-1-2-3 with wingers. I find that the defensive midfielder balances things, but needs to be a hard worker and with good pace and strength. It's not a "win everything" tactic for any team, but it works for the players I have at my disposal, and I don't think I have seen many tactics being this efficient at grinding out a result even against teams just defending for their lives.
For the ones interested, MP mode for FM works reasonably well. We've already played two sessions and tomorrow is our third, although we had to start over last week because our first session crashed and we had not saved it, which was a pity because I gave Arsenal and Chelsea two supreme rodgerings in the first two games (7-3 against Arsenal in the Charity Shield and 5 -3 against Chelsea in the season opener. Yes, my team concedes a lot but it's a bloody sledgehammer in attack, Agüero is a demi god in this version of the game).
The MP mechanics are fairly easy. Each player plays on his own, but a couple of tweaks must be made to make the experience fun for everyone. For instance, a timer has to be set to make the turns advance when all but one or two players are done, to avoid having somebody manually scouting the Brazilian third division and holding the game back for everybody else, and an option must be chosen so all games in the same day are played simultaneously, to avoid making some people wait too long until it's their turn. All in all, it's very enjoyable.
Colour me interested.
Also, the Classic Mode in FM2015 is the best suited for MP, it simplifies lots of stuff and makes the game much swifter.
Classic mode? :hmm:
I need my theories and deep (and usually seriously flawed) tactics to work wonders.
Quote from: Norgy on February 09, 2015, 01:33:31 PM
Classic mode? :hmm:
I need my theories and deep (and usually seriously flawed) tactics to work wonders.
Classic mode is a toned down version of the full game, simplifying lots of the micro management aspects. No locker room speeches, no hiring of single scouts and coaches (you have a head scout in charge of all the scouting, the assistant manager deals with the training, and so on), much less press interaction, no need to train specific formations, etc. It makes for a much smoother MP play, as there's less stuff to worry about between matches, while keeping the essentials.
Sunderland needs Defoe ;)
We just had the third MP session. My City squad keeps steamrolling all oposition, next session we'll begin with the Champions League's group stage, I will have to play Benfica, Monaco and some other team I can't remember. The only glitch is that there was a weird CTD when I was preparing the last game before we'd finish the session (against Newcastle) and, when I was preparing the starting XI (I was doing some rotations to save some starters for the mid week European game) and giving the players specific instructions, it crashed. I had to re-start the game and, when I rejoined it and went back to the Newcastle game the starting XI was a mess (players out of position, players in the field that were not supposed to be playing...), I couldn't give any orders to the players, change their positions or make substitutions, I was watching the game as an spectator without being able to intervene. Luckily I still won, but it could have been frustrating.
Regarding the other players, the one handling Man Utd is suffering a horrendous injury plague, his defence is a mess and his strikers seem to have been cursed by a gipsy witch, as he has only scored one goal in like 4 matches so far. The Arsenal player has been the most active one, dealing away with plenty of players he disliked, signing a lot of new players, mostly central defenders, and establishing a radical 3 man defence (with no holding midfielder whatsoever) that I fear is going to be his downfall. Today the Chelsea player joined the game, but only after ousting Mourinho once he had depleted his transfer funds by signing Khedira and Cuadrado (life imitates art?).
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu. I just won 4-1 in a important game.....and then it crashed before the next one
I hope there's a patch soon.
Too much woodwork hitting and way too much instances of players whacking the ball into each other
I just started a game with new update.
I lost 5 players to injuries in first two friendlies. :(
I find that the game's working as it should. Yes, I lose players to injuries when I over-train them, and you'll end up with lots of deflections playing teams sitting back. Get your set-pieces in order, and you'll score anyway.
I'm always looking for best set piece setup, any suggestions norgy Von norgemeister?
Quote from: katmai on March 02, 2015, 08:21:24 PM
I'm always looking for best set piece setup, any suggestions norgy Von norgemeister?
Strikerless has some ideas about how to prevent conceding silly goals from set pieces and how to make the most of your own. I'd recommend reading other articles there as well, as this guy really does his homework when it comes to FM. His strikerless formation is a life-saver when all you have with any attacking skills are attacking midfielders.
http://strikerless.com/2014/12/07/using-set-pieces-to-break-open-a-match-and-preventing-your-opponent-from-doing-so/#more-1044
Bookmarked. Thanks
Are these football managements games the fan's quest for the perfection that doesn't happen on real grass?
Quote from: mongers on March 04, 2015, 08:56:05 PM
Are these football managements games the fan's quest for the perfection that doesn't happen on real grass?
In Germany we have a saying that when the national team plays there's 80 million coaches sitting in front of the screens who know better. Many fans think they could do better than the actual coaches. So in many ways, sports management games are wish fulfillment in that regard. "Why is he starting X? Y would be so much better in that position! And Z should be in central midfield, not on the right wing!"
Quote from: Norgy on March 01, 2015, 05:44:14 PM
I find that the game's working as it should. Yes, I lose players to injuries when I over-train them, and you'll end up with lots of deflections playing teams sitting back. Get your set-pieces in order, and you'll score anyway.
OK, so help me. I have six players injured right now. Playing in MLS so squad is thin. Big problem. I've changed my training intensity to low but guys are having all sorts of training related injuries, weights, muscles, etc.
Some players are just plain injury-prone and play maybe a fifth of a season altogether. Reading your physio's reports on your players should give you an understanding of who they might be. Rotation is most likely the best practice, but that's not always possible, as most squads won't have the depth.
My advice is to get more and better physios. And fitness coaches who weren't at Treblinka.
I can't decide what to do with Martin Odegaard. I don't use central attacking midfielders....so should he be a winger or a central midfielder :hmm:
So I bought this. It's good, as always, but I really think they're making the players too bitchy. I had a player complain about lack of first team playing after 7 games in the league, 3 of which he started with 2 subs.
Come on. In a 42 games league.
Never really had much of an issue with players complaining.
Just one. I signed him on a free. He looked good. Spanish winger. I probably made a huge mistake by praising him after his first game.
I have very little time for assclownery by my players, so after five more games I transfer-listed his ass hard and basically gave him away to Palermo. I hope he sleeps with the fishes.
It's not much, and I've already been drawn back into this game, but it's still annoying. First team player gets sidelined for 2 months and before he's even fully recovered (orange inj) he's complaining about lack of first team football. I threw a fit and send him to the reserve team. :blush:
How do you tackle over confidence and cocky players? <_<
In teamtalks, warn against complacency when possible. Don't always listen to your assistant.
There are no "super tactic" in FM anymore, but I have found that four at the back, with the full-backs in supporting roles, two deep midfielders where one is on on ball-winning duty and the other is a deep-lying playmaker, two wide players on the wings and a trequartista and a poacher make for some rather liquid, flowing attacking play.
Instructions:
Control
Flexible
Short passes
Run against defenders
Low crosses
Work ball into the box
Exploit the flanks
Look for overlap
More pressing
Push higher up
More closing down
At the back, use tight marking and preferably man-marking between the two in central defence. (Set in individual instructions)
And spend time setting up your set-piece instructions.
I am still at loss with coping with a team just sitting back, though.
What does 'run against defenders' do? I've never really used it.
Quote from: Josephus on May 09, 2015, 07:27:53 PM
What does 'run against defenders' do? I've never really used it.
If I get it right it means that your players will try to dribble past defenders rather than cross into the area.
I thought that's what "work ball into box" does.
Work ball into box is try and pass the ball right into the goal.
Good for keeping possession, less good for scoring
Quote from: Tyr on March 09, 2015, 01:57:20 PM
I can't decide what to do with Martin Odegaard. I don't use central attacking midfielders....so should he be a winger or a central midfielder :hmm:
Ødegaard in real life plays as a winger cutting inside when attacking and as wide midfielder when defending.
I notice the Spanish paper AS blaming him for Castilla's failure to gain promotion.
Quote from: The Larch on May 09, 2015, 07:50:30 PM
Quote from: Josephus on May 09, 2015, 07:27:53 PM
What does 'run against defenders' do? I've never really used it.
If I get it right it means that your players will try to dribble past defenders rather than cross into the area.
Yeah, it's mostly workable when you have pacy players with skill playing against slow defenders.
"Work ball into box" is prying and keeping possession, looking for that through ball. Often you will see your team almost pitching tents and lighting campfires outside of your opponents' box.
I've never really gotten a simple, direct approach to work in FM.
Quote from: Josephus on May 10, 2015, 07:53:22 AM
I thought that's what "work ball into box" does.
Think of "work ball into box" as "Trying to Arsenal it in".
My wingers keep swapping sides with each other without my say so :ultra: :hmm:
Quote from: Tyr on May 17, 2015, 12:59:47 PM
My wingers keep swapping sides with each other without my say so :ultra: :hmm:
Are you playing a fluid system? Are they highly creative players?
The game is -66% on Steam until Jun 8; I've read mixed reviews, what Languish has to say about it?
Yay or Nay? Buy now or wait for FM16?
L.
+ upgraded graphics, the matches look more like real football
+ somewhat more interaction with your players
+ match tactics seem to matter
- interaction with players feels stale or just useless
- the same old issue with real club names and badges (like no German national team and HSV just being Hamburg)
- incremental improvement on previous versions
+ New option to bribe FIFA
- highly unpredictable results.
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 04, 2015, 06:29:35 PM
+ New option to bribe FIFA
- highly unpredictable results.
:D
Thanks Norgy, doing well with your formation as leading my team from Norwegian third division up to second my second year in.
Quote from: Norgy on May 09, 2015, 05:04:05 PM
There are no "super tactic" in FM anymore, but I have found that four at the back, with the full-backs in supporting roles, two deep midfielders where one is on on ball-winning duty and the other is a deep-lying playmaker, two wide players on the wings and a trequartista and a poacher make for some rather liquid, flowing attacking play.
Instructions:
Control
Flexible
Short passes
Run against defenders
Low crosses
Work ball into the box
Exploit the flanks
Look for overlap
More pressing
Push higher up
More closing down
At the back, use tight marking and preferably man-marking between the two in central defence. (Set in individual instructions)
And spend time setting up your set-piece instructions.
I am still at loss with coping with a team just sitting back, though.
Saw this thread and piqued my interesting in FM again, haven't played it since the fall probably and I'm still playing FM 14 for the record.
To preface, I don't know a lot about soccer/football but I really enjoy it. That being said, I'm doing fairly well with Everton, currently it is 2019 and I've managed to get into 3rd place in the Premier league and made it to the semi-finals in the Champions cup.
I am currently running a 4-2-1-2 :
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Any advice for setting up Set pieces like you said earlier? How do I make them better in their roles (Advanced forward, playermaker, etc.) ?
Any advice to any of my instructions? I'm a fan of the offense as you can see but my young defenders are superb.
Seems to be working for the most part but any advice is very welcome, thanks!
Edit: Finances roll-up -
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Lot of money to spend as well, but I have a very young team already.
Set pieces suck. Even the best free kick takers in the world rarerly score.
I find it's good at a high level at least to have midfield all as playmakers
That's very well done, Alci.
After discovering "Susi's Real Name Fixes", I started a new game as Portsmouth in the fourth tier in England. At Christmas we have yet to lose in the league, but got promptly beaten in the League Cup and that useless trophy cup.
I have a team of lower league journeymen with some youth prospects thrown in. If we don't get promoted, I will eat my monitor. With no hot sauce.
Alci,
I've had decent success with aiming for 6yd box.
Have my two best headers on either end of posts, my forwards challenging goalkeeper and attacking from outside and then two midfielders go forward.
My team won its division by 7pts and is now gearing up for first year in Norwegian first division. Gonna be tough as limited scouting range and anybody who my scouts found that were decent refused to even think about signing with my team. :lol: :cry:
Quote from: Norgy on June 27, 2015, 05:02:46 AM
That's very well done, Alci.
After discovering "Susi's Real Name Fixes", I started a new game as Portsmouth in the fourth tier in England. At Christmas we have yet to lose in the league, but got promptly beaten in the League Cup and that useless trophy cup.
I have a team of lower league journeymen with some youth prospects thrown in. If we don't get promoted, I will eat my monitor. With no hot sauce.
Cool, just added that name fix as well, thanks :)
And I'm just wondering if you guys see anything I could improve. I'll take a look at 6yd box.
Any advice on getting my players better at roles? Im really disappointed with one of my strykers, was a 2 ability 5 potential at 18, had pretty good stats and i needed a striker so i plopped him on my team and he subbed and started often, kept his training regime heavy, and had him getting mentored by my best players which was successful.
He's now 21 and and 3 ability 3 potential <_<
Training regimes? Any tips on that? I usually do Fitness very heavy for the first week weeks of the season and then depending how packed it is heavy on attacking or defending.
Was the 2 star ability/5 potential just because of your scout not having high judging stats?
I've just started so can't say it works brilliantly yet, but training my youngsters (under 19)in physical stats till they are all at 10 or higher and then focusing on other areas.
Since following Norgy's advice for a formation i've been making sure to work on the abilities that fit the positions in that formation.
Two weeks of heavy physical in pre-season.
Then I go for balanced, and some individual focus on particular areas if players really are poor there.
The two weeks of heavy training is usually enough to weed out the players that are so injury-prone they'll just play 10 matches or so and put them on The List.
For some good set pieces instructions, have a look at the site Strikerless. Man's obviously crazy playing with no real strikers at all, but he is good at organising set pieces.
Glad you enjoyed some success with my tip, katmai. I've found that way of playing relatively low risk and with some excellent fluid football as a result. I don't win every game, but I don't expect to either.
Quote from: katmai on June 27, 2015, 04:46:09 PMWas the 2 star ability/5 potential just because of your scout not having high judging stats?
It might also be the result of an improved squad, the star ratings are not fixed but variable. Maybe with the previous squad it could have been a 5, but if it improved it might have gone down to 3 because the squad is better and the player won't stand out so much.
AS i don't want to hijack Bluebook's FM thread.
Took the Leicester job with the team in 9th place with 7 games to play.
Our first game was 3.31.2018 vs Middlesbrough
I guess the team had no problem buying into a relative nobody as all previous experience was leading one team in Norwegian leagues.
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We rattled off 4 straight wins, before a loss to a Portsmouth side that was on it's way to relegation.
Followed that with 2 more wins to end the season.
the 6-0-1 record was good enough to get us into playoff where we continued our winning ways and after two months on the job and total of 10 games
with a record of 8-1-1 we won promotion back to the Premiership!
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Think of FM as a very numbers heavy RPG.
Your team is basically a whole lot of numbers set up against die rolls in various situations.
Do your players have you as their favoured personell? Take some time to look at not just their stats, but read the reports your coaches and assistant produce. Your new Ivorian super striker may not fit in well with the current group. Your coaches may also be a bunch of tosh.
Who'd you rather have in a team that may struggle? Someone with a workrate of 5 and technique of 20 or someone with a workrate of 11 and techinque of 7?
If you have someone up front with poor finishing, but good stats for jumping and heading, get wide players that can cross rather than replace him.
How the flying eff did you manage to get Harstad into the Norwegian first tier, katmai?
I've tried semi-pro sides too. Like my hometown team. They went pro after a while, allowing for better players to be signed and not to mention better development at the club. I was a constant pain in the arse for the board, asking for money for better training facilities, better youth training, more coaches, bigger stadium, pies in the sky, Messi and whatnot.
What do you guys do when you want to defend a 1-0 lead? Do you have a defensive formation you switch to, or do you just change focus to defend or contain? None of the above?
I seem to be unable to lock away games where I lead with one goal.
I don't like this coach overall rating of a player for the team. It is too tempting to give into it
Quote from: Norgy on July 08, 2015, 09:16:37 AM
How the flying eff did you manage to get Harstad into the Norwegian first tier, katmai?
I've tried semi-pro sides too. Like my hometown team. They went pro after a while, allowing for better players to be signed and not to mention better development at the club. I was a constant pain in the arse for the board, asking for money for better training facilities, better youth training, more coaches, bigger stadium, pies in the sky, Messi and whatnot.
Well T,
I started with Basic License and as a Sunday league player (or whatever it is called) so had basic stats.
Started game unemployed so by time I took Harstad position it was in middle of their first season.
I used the tactic recommendations from you in this very thread and moved the team from just above relegation to mid table that shortened first year.
Added one decently talented (well for that league level at least) striker in off season and with whole pre season to learn the tactic we won the division going away.
My first year in Norwegian 2nd division though we struggled as my Central Defenders weren't up to snuff and we were gifting possession too much, ended up just above being relegated right back down. So for our second season with us expected to brave against relegation, I switched to a formation of 4-2-3-1, short passing, retain possession and the team was regularly ending up with 60% + possession, we ended up coming in third to qualify for the playoffs and the rest was history.
Yeah i would have stayed with team if the Board had been willing to go professional, it was just too hard to get anyone of good worth to sign as a part time team.
Looking at how Harstad has been faring since move to EPL feel bad as team is in dead last with a -35 goal differential.
Quote from: Bluebook on July 08, 2015, 04:04:40 PM
What do you guys do when you want to defend a 1-0 lead? Do you have a defensive formation you switch to, or do you just change focus to defend or contain? None of the above?
I seem to be unable to lock away games where I lead with one goal.
I keep my same formation 99% of the time, but yeah I'll change focus to Counter or defend, and put sideline instructions to take a breather, drop down more and usually in 70th minute or so I put in fresh Defender to stabilize the back line. Doesn't work 100%, but seems to do trick frequently.
Bluebook, I sort of play that by ear.
If I see the opposition go forward like a pack of crazed wolves, I switch to counter-attacks and pull my midfielders back a bit.
I like my team to keep possession (granted, that's tough when you have poor players), and just make the other team run around chasing the ball.
But, like most FM players, I see those leads eaten up once in a while by a set-piece or late goal from open play.
Sometimes attack is the best form of defence.
Against Barcelona and Chelsea for instance I found I would get trounced if I played defensively but keep the ball in their half so they can't take advantage of their attack minded midfield and things tend to go better.
Keeping possession... It kind of works.... But all too often with my team it leads to them failing to score despite having a million chances.
So with my Leicester game I used Norgy's tactic to power our impressive run to get back into EPL.
But after the first 5 games of the season was sitting at 1-2-2 with 0-5, 0-2 thrashings to Arsenal and Chelsea, and even worse a Coca Cola Cup loss to Crewe in 3rd round, decided it was vital to change up or look at being sent back down in a one and done season.
As a fan of possession, defensive soccer i was reading up and found a 3-4-3 formation and decided to implement post haste.
Our first game with it I was skeptical how well the team would take to it...
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Guess they did alright :lol:
The tactic relies on keeping a solid back three and with a defensive stance so Sunderland's shot attempts looked like this.
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Quote from: Tyr on July 09, 2015, 12:01:59 PM
Sometimes attack is the best form of defence.
Against Barcelona and Chelsea for instance I found I would get trounced if I played defensively but keep the ball in their half so they can't take advantage of their attack minded midfield and things tend to go better.
Keeping possession... It kind of works.... But all too often with my team it leads to them failing to score despite having a million chances.
By and large my strategy thus when protecting a lead had been to stick with what got us the lead in the first place: Attacking football. I might slip to "standard" if necessary, but rarely anything more defensive.
Going to a defensive strategy, with a lower defensive line, usually cost me games.
Thing I find annoying about scouting is that for instance, I scout a kid who has 1 current ability but 3 1/2 potential.
I buy him, and immediately he drops to 1 and 1 1/2. He's no longer valuable to me.
I've tried some crazy formations through the years.
The craziest was a Napoli in FM 12.
Sweeper - two DCs - Wingbacks - Two MCs - Wingers - Striker.
That team was unbeatable and Cavani was scoring two a game on average.
Now I usually play some form of 4-2-3-1 with wingers. The main difference is whether I use DMs or MCs. Playing with that one "in the hole" exploiting the gap between opposition midfield and defence is just too tempting, even at the cost of defensive stability.
My teams tend to lose games early on and look shit. But I stick with the formula, and soon enough they'll be running rings around opposition players and score freely. Portsmouth from the fourth tier in the FA Cup 6th round? Sure. We play Chelsea at Fratton Park. It'll be a memorable pasting, I am sure, but Derby County, Crystal Palace and Norwich City learnt the hard way not to underestimate my shit team.
73 points in 32 games so far. I think we have a shot at promotion. :hmm: :lol:
So with first year in EPL winding down, have Leicester safely above relegation, heck outside chance for Europa Cup qualification even, i guess I'm doing something right as now faced with job offer from Fiorentina, what to do, what to do.
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Martin O'Neill had a good career at Norwich and Leicester as a manager. He took over Celtic and made sure those inbred Catholic Irish fucks became Scotland's best side. You could take over Fiorentina and re-surrect Fascism?
:shifty:
Wait I'm not Ide.
Welp stuck with Leicester and we ended up in 9th in first year in EPL.
But with a great run in FA Cup we ended up with this.
:w00t: :w00t:
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Still continuing with Leicester save
second season in Barclays we were picked to finish 14th, board hoped we could make the group stage of Europa league and once again our little Leicester overachievers proved the pundits wrong.
We made it to knockout round in Europa and went into away game with a 2-1 advantage, of course in process of that match we had three injuries and a red card so ended up with 9 men and losing on aggregate goals.
But domestically we won the Capital One Cup to repeat our Europa league qualification, of course the point was moot was we were able to finish a very distant but respectable 3rd in league and qualified for Champions league.
in our third season, felt comfortable enough to tell board i believed the squad could repeat a top 4 finish and qualify again for Continental play.
the team started off gangbusters and at early in campaign we had a 20+ game unbeaten streak (it was a carry over from end of previous season's good form) and we one our group with commanding 15pts from 5 wins in 6 matches (the 2nd place team? oh a little plucky club from Munich, that would go on to win the whole darn thing)
Domestic play we hit a rut that meant for good 2nd half of season we were hanging around 5-7th place, but with some luck and rebound in form we again ended up 3rd place.
now in my fourth full season we are in dogfight with Man U and Liverpool for top spot, though we played horribly in Champion Group play and ended up with only 4 pts as each game we dominated possession and shots, but kept coming out on losing end.
Having fun with this team as built them up to top 15 in world in value, and now trying to get the board to invest to bring up good/very good youth setup to world class so we con compete with home grown talent. only way i see me leaving club is if dream job at arsenal opens up or barca/Real were to offer me gig.
Those are the best kind of FM games. A real career game.
I got a soft spot for several sides I have managed. Ajax, Hearts, Hibernian, Brentford, Leyton Orient, Fiorentina. And unfancied Hannover 09.
How important are youth facilities and staff when it comes to getting talented youngsters?
My experience is limited but I know when started this current job the facilities were superb, but youth recruitment was above avg all best players incoming were 2 1/2-3 stars. After two seasons I was able to get board to bump up recruiting and my last intake I have GK being touted as next joe hart as he tops out in predicted ability of 4 1/2 stars.
Quote from: Bluebook on July 28, 2015, 04:34:28 PM
How important are youth facilities and staff when it comes to getting talented youngsters?
"Youth recruitment" is important for the new youngsters you get every year.
The facilities will influence how well they develop outside of getting game time. The key really is game time. That is my experience.
Does that mean I have to coach the U21s aswell?
Never tried that. But having good youth coaches never heard. A head of development too.
My character isn't that much of a coach anyway.
Quote from: Josephus on July 10, 2015, 10:57:53 AM
Thing I find annoying about scouting is that for instance, I scout a kid who has 1 current ability but 3 1/2 potential.
I buy him, and immediately he drops to 1 and 1 1/2. He's no longer valuable to me.
Take into account that once he signs for your team he is rated not by your scots but by your coaches, and they surely have worse evaluating potential numbers than your scouts, so that must account for something.
Quote from: katmai on July 08, 2015, 05:32:11 PM
Quote from: Bluebook on July 08, 2015, 04:04:40 PM
What do you guys do when you want to defend a 1-0 lead? Do you have a defensive formation you switch to, or do you just change focus to defend or contain? None of the above?
I seem to be unable to lock away games where I lead with one goal.
I keep my same formation 99% of the time, but yeah I'll change focus to Counter or defend, and put sideline instructions to take a breather, drop down more and usually in 70th minute or so I put in fresh Defender to stabilize the back line. Doesn't work 100%, but seems to do trick frequently.
Take a breather? Doesn't that make them relax? Normally I don't change anything until well into the 2nd half, and then I'd take the mentality down a notch (normally I play offensively and drop to control in those situations) and slow down the tempo (from fast to normal or slow).
Normally I will still want to increase my lead, though.
Quote from: The Larch on July 29, 2015, 04:58:23 PM
Quote from: Josephus on July 10, 2015, 10:57:53 AM
Thing I find annoying about scouting is that for instance, I scout a kid who has 1 current ability but 3 1/2 potential.
I buy him, and immediately he drops to 1 and 1 1/2. He's no longer valuable to me.
Take into account that once he signs for your team he is rated not by your scots but by your coaches, and they surely have worse evaluating potential numbers than your scouts, so that must account for something.
I cheated and looked at the real potential once on one of those youth candidates coming in, as I thought he looked quite the full package. Yet my coaches did not rate him.
You have a potential between 0 and 200 for every kind of staff in FM. This lad had a potential of 176 and a current ability of 56 at 15. Yet my coaches felt he should just be shipped out.
Looking at his hidden stats, he had a high injury-proneness and low professionality and ambition. Add to that a determination of 3, and he was a middling sub after 3 years and never made it above 102 in skill points. He also complained a lot.
http://passion4fm.com/football-manager-training-facilities-levels/
Good read on facilities and youths
Some dude holidayed for 1000 years and posted his results.
https://www.reddit.com/r/footballmanagergames/comments/3fioa1/the_millenial_sim_is_here_1000_years_of_simming/
:lol:
I'm looking forward to a not so distant future in which Forest can buy a player for $122,000,000.
You know one thing I really like in this game?
The end of season financials where it tells you weird little facts like which player has the most people buying a shirt with their name on.
It would be nice to see more things like this accessible more regularly. Adds some cool flavour.
Still playing same save, still at Leicester as survived takeover of club.
Since taking over team has finished
9th (runners up in FA cup so qualified for Europa League)
3rd
3rd
5th (Won the FA Cup)
5th
6th (Won the FA cup)
currently halfway through season sitting in 3rd 7 points behind 2nd place, but 7 points up on 4th place
My tenure at Portsmouth, which was going well even in League One, came to an abrupt halt when Nottingham Forest kicked out their second manager in one and a quarter of a season. I am guessing I might not last long either. 17 rounds played, and the team was just above relegation.
I got the job.
Player-wise, the team isn't hopeless, but morale was at rock bottom. Never mind, let's put the Norgy tactic to good use and get people happy again.
I had a few soft games and we won them and pulled away from the relegation zone. Britt Assambalonga is a beast and will score.
So far, the Forest men are unbeaten in five games, but I have a bunch of complainers. Not enough coaches, not enough this or that.
Anything below 10th place will mean I get: Sacked.
Got hired as manager of Sunderland (from Toronto fC). year 2020. Goal to stave off relegation. With 10 games remaining I'm fourth...aiming for a Champions League spot :)
Balls, just had a pretty good run of games and managed to offload two hangers on who I've been stuck with for a while...but then halfway through another game that was going well my game crashed :(
Man, this squad is saddled with a lot of deadwood. :bleeding:
I won't be able to sign anyone at all unless I clear out at least 5-6 players. David Vaughan is high on that list along with Mikele Leighterwood. So. Many. Shitty. Signings.
Is it just for me that the 'career achievments' screen doesn't seem to ever show anything?
My history at Sunderland:
14/15: At the end of the season narrowly scraped into 4th place in the league. Huzzah.
15/16: A more secure 4th place finish. And we manage to win the FA Cup.
16/17: Managed to make it to a 2nd place finish. We keep the FA Cup. We also manage to win the CL. Huzzah.
17/18: We manage to win the league in the dying days of the season and keep the CL.
Also a fabled League Cup win is finally ours. Sure. There's been bigger achievements. But that's one we've missed- I think its that the players never give a shit that does it. Oddly however this year we lose the FA Cup.
18/19: FA Cup win. The Champions League is also ours again. And we win the league rather comfortably.
19/20: FA Cup win. A much more comfortable league win with Chelsea not putting in the amazing season they did in 18/19. Chelsea however win the CL with us going out in the semis to Bayern. Pah.
Minor competitions like the club world cup, super cup, charity shield, etc... are also picked up pretty easily.
The early seasons were tough with my good players always being spotted by Barcelona, Man City and the like and wanting to leave, but now they're quite content to stay by and large.
Edar Alvarez Balanta has been with me since the start and he is the shit.
Odegard and Castellano also soon began to show their worth in midfield with a regen Mexican named Lopez, Cerny and Jovic being decent forwards. We briefly experimented with Bayern's Serbian-Dutch guy but he wasn't very good so we sold him back to them.
Early seasons we played with a defensive midfielder in a sort of diamond formation but these days we tend to go with a mix of Chelsea style one up front and 3 attacking midfielders behind him, and a 4-4-2 which sometimes has one or both of the wingers pushed forward.
I also picked up a position as the Dutch manager at some point. It isn't very fun. Trinidad Valencia (who also plays for Sunderland) is the only decent player.
International management is incredibly boring in FM. :(
Yeah I never bother accepting international offers.
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Champions league first knockout round, first leg. Most frustrating game I've ever endured. :ultra:
Starting a new manager with poor skill all around, except in motivation and management. Going to take a third-league team from Sweden and see how far we can go
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Champions league first knockout round, first leg. Most frustrating game I've ever endured. :ultra:
Your players sucked...looked at the average.
Well yeah they sucked, they shot 32 times and only 10 at the goal despite 18 corners, and gave up 4 goals off of 10 shots.
Reported weird history to si.
"Oh your saved game must be corrupted. Nothing to be done. It happens."
:frusty:
It's not as bad as 2014.... But seriously?
never had a corrupted save, sorry sucks to be you tyr. :P
Quote from: Alcibiades on September 08, 2015, 03:11:09 PM
Well yeah they sucked, they shot 32 times and only 10 at the goal despite 18 corners, and gave up 4 goals off of 10 shots.
I feel your pain. Lost many games where I outshot opponent 15-1.
They made up for it somehow :sleep:
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Quote from: Josephus on September 08, 2015, 07:34:28 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on September 08, 2015, 03:11:09 PM
Well yeah they sucked, they shot 32 times and only 10 at the goal despite 18 corners, and gave up 4 goals off of 10 shots.
I feel your pain. Lost many games where I outshot opponent 15-1.
But how many CCC of those 15 were there?
I'm at that stage now which I find happens now and then. Every game I play I come up against goalies from hell. As Sunderland, had a run of six or seven games against weak teams that I really needed to pick up points and despite having around 15 shots on goal in each game, I've either not scored at all, or maybe got one in. :mad:
I'm at that stage now where the board of directors are having talks with me.
My recent 4 results:
V. Stoke (FA Cup) lose 0-1
V. Man Utd. (Capital cup) Lose 1-12 (yes, that's 1-12)
V. Arsenal (BPL) 1-5
V. Chelsea (BPL) 0-1
Just sold my two favorite wunderkids that got all grown up. They were playing really well, but was offered ridiculous money and I have 4 young ones around 18 that need to get time in that have potential with two possible "world class".
Sold both of them for 107m, with Fuba's stretched over two years.
Gustavo Fuba, my set up man:
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Gustavo Veron, my goal scorer:
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Side by side, I think Fuba was always better but Veron always found the net, maybe that bravery helped a lot?
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How do you guys deal with nervous players? Calm them down? Encourage?
Third season with Lazio. Won the Serie A and Champions League in my second year.
My quest to repeat is off to a bad start. Both goalies on long term injuries an in one derby game v. Roma, I lost three of my strikers, two on long term injuries :mad:
The other thing that annoys me is the lack of dynamism in this game. In other words, the game can adapt to Lazio being a great team. I friggin won the Scodetto and the Champions League and I'm constantly getting annoyed players who want to leave to play for a better team. WTF!
you have to consistently keep improving your rep, but still doesn't mean players won't want to leave for teams with higher global standing than you. :)
Quote from: Josephus on December 21, 2015, 09:34:37 PM
The other thing that annoys me is the lack of dynamism in this game. In other words, the game can adapt to Lazio being a great team. I friggin won the Scodetto and the Champions League and I'm constantly getting annoyed players who want to leave to play for a better team. WTF!
Its your team's standing in the UEFA rankings that matter there. Took me a few years of winning a lot before I was able to stop having to let players go to sit on Chelsea's bench.
The new version shows the SI business model is genius. There are some incremental improvements (some completely dull, like designing your own avatar), and slightly more and slightly better info for you as a manager. But it's FM, so the first part of your job will be downloading logos, German national team fixes and media outlet fixes from sortitoutsi.
I've managed half a season, and I am happy to report the tactical side of things is slightly improved. From goal glut to not managing to score in an Amsterdam brothel was somewhat easier to understand in FM 2016 than the two previous ones.