Quote from: Josquius on Today at 03:16:52 AMQuote from: HVC on May 09, 2024, 07:02:26 PMI'm more intrigued by the flip side, how conservatives embraced Jews/israel. From keeping them out of neighbourhoods and clubs to acceptance and support from the influence of a death cult.
As well as the evangelical nuttiness about prophecies and such it is worth considering Nazi policy for most of their existence wasn't just to kill the Jews but rather to send them elsewhere where they couldn't interfere with the Aryans. The famous Madagascar Plan one of the more well known surfacings of this.
Quote from: Solmyr on Today at 02:57:23 AM"Swarthmore College's SJP chapter" doesn't seem like a major or important organization.Names a bunch of Chapters. I didn't put all of them out.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on Today at 05:04:32 AMIf Reform stand down things would suddenly be very different. Starmers nightmare
Quote from: Barrister on May 09, 2024, 10:24:34 PMSo the next election is projecting to go very badly for the Tories, but the idea they're going to win 6 seats and be the 4th or 5th party in Parliament seems unlikely.The predict 472 Labour seats and 85 conservative seats, but they also offer up high and low estimates. The high estimate is 545 seats. So, it's within the realm of possibility
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html
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Quote from: HVC on May 09, 2024, 07:02:26 PMI'm more intrigued by the flip side, how conservatives embraced Jews/israel. From keeping them out of neighbourhoods and clubs to acceptance and support from the influence of a death cult.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on May 09, 2024, 06:55:17 PMIf I had to guess the general state of Jews in society feeds into an othering in the left and they simply don't ever process Jews as "minorities" or "oppressed" peoples. They internalize Jews as the "positive stereotype", wealthier than average, prominent in law, business, media etc. (Ignoring of course that this has always been exaggerated--most American Jews are not wealthy, and in Israel where a much larger % of the population is Jewish, the idea that all the Jews represent scions of some privileged economic status is farcical.) I think they also largely see Jews as "white guys", which is also troublesome because the "average" Israeli is about as white as the average Palestinian (which is to say--somewhat white, but often not having that Anglo-Saxon white oppressor look that they imagine the bad white people in America all have.)
TLDR people they see as landlords and bankers cannot be on the wrong side of oppression in society.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 09, 2024, 03:15:54 PMI apologize for moron. I thought you were using land stealing in the same way that viper uses killing all Palestinians. That kind of thing really works me up. I realized after I had posted that you were probably talking about the West Bank. Still no excuse for calling you a moron.Quote from: Josquius on May 09, 2024, 02:55:46 AMYou know, not everything in discussions is meant to be about trying to "rebut" what other people have said.
Its relevant as "decolonisation is just an excuse to hate white people. What about the crimes of others?" is frequently used as a smoke screen by those who don't actually have any interest in the crimes and you often do find foreign nationalists weirdly on the same side as progressives for our historic issues...yet when it comes to their historic issues things are very different.
Agree that not everything is a rebuttal. But I can't think of any other response that shows good faith.
One other option is the straw man. No need to explain, I hope.
Another is guilt by association. This is not a debate of the merits, who' sole ingredients in my way of thinking are reason, logic, evidence and facts.
Another is accusation of bad faith, which is kinda close to guilt by association. "You claim to oppose de-colonization for these reasons, but I believe you really oppose de-colonization because you want to eat Palestinian babies."
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