Poll
Question:
Who should the democrats nominate to run against Trump?
Option 1: Joe Biden
votes: 5
Option 2: Bernie Sanders
votes: 9
Option 3: Kamala Harris
votes: 5
Option 4: Beto O'Rourke
votes: 3
Option 5: Elizabeth Warren
votes: 4
Option 6: Amy Klobuchar
votes: 3
Option 7: Kirsten Gillibrand
votes: 0
Option 8: Cory Booker
votes: 2
Option 9: Pete Buttigieg
votes: 5
Option 10: Other
votes: 5
Who should it be?
Bernie, provided he's still alive in 2020.
Beto.
Castro
or Dwayne Johnson
This poll seems premature.
Happens to a lot of polls.
Bernie or Biden would probably have a good chance (as long as the Dems don't sabotage Bernie again). I'd enjoy seeing a woman though, would be great if the Orange Sexist lost to a woman.
Other: Jaron
Andrew Yang. He's traveled back in time to warn us of the robot future.
Damn, the radicalisation on the left is in full swing: Sanders ahead by a mile!
(I know he isn't really that radical from a European point of view. But this is Murrica we are talking about).
No idea to be frank. Half of the people on the list are complete unknowns to me. I need pictures.
My preferences:
1. Sanders
2. Warren
3. Yang
4. Buttigieg
5. Harris
6. Gillibrand
7. Gabbard?
8. That psychic lady?
9. The rest
Quote from: celedhring on April 01, 2019, 09:43:55 AM
No idea to be frank. Half of the people on the list are complete unknowns to me. I need pictures.
Yeah.
Imagining a side-by-side matchup in 2020, my first impression is Biden would be the easiest one for Trump to beat if everything stays the same. But it's such a long way off and God knows what will happen in the meantime.
Not decided but I would include Julian Castro on the list.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 01, 2019, 06:15:56 AM
Who should it be?
I don't know most of their policies. The New York Times has run various profiles of these people, so has the Washington Post, but that's about all I know of these people.
Anyway, it's not like I would vote for anybody on this list :P
I'd say, whomever can oust Trump from office is the best choice. ;) I really don't like Sanders though. He looks like some version of Donald Trump, albeit less of a moron in public, but too many hidden skeletons.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on April 01, 2019, 11:18:03 AM
Not decided but I would include Julian Castro on the list.
He came to Portland and we went to see him a few weeks ago.
He impressed me, though he has the "polished politician" a little too down pat. Should he win the nomination, I wouldn't be upset.
My preferences:
1. Harris
2. Warren
3. Buttigieg
4. Castro
5. Gabbard
6. Gillibrand
7. Hickenlooper
8. O'Rourke
9. The rest
Quote from: celedhring on April 01, 2019, 09:43:55 AM
No idea to be frank. Half of the people on the list are complete unknowns to me. I need pictures.
Here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries#Candidates) you go. :)
Quote from: viper37 on April 01, 2019, 11:32:32 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 01, 2019, 06:15:56 AM
Who should it be?
I don't know most of their policies. The New York Times has run various profiles of these people, so has the Washington Post, but that's about all I know of these people.
Anyway, it's not like I would vote for anybody on this list :P
I'd say, whomever can oust Trump from office is the best choice. ;) I really don't like Sanders though. He looks like some version of Donald Trump, albeit less of a moron in public, but too many hidden skeletons.
Do all Anglos look the same to you? :yeahright:
Quote from: merithyn on April 01, 2019, 12:18:33 PM
My preferences:
1. Harris
2. Warren
3. Buttigieg
4. Castro
5. Gabbard
6. Gillibrand
7. Hickenlooper
8. O'Rourke
9. The rest
Yeah I am very concerned about the impact this might have on Beto's future chances. Getting crushed in this primary might derail a promising career. We need him and his centrist message here in Texas to lead us to victory, not going out to a national audience which doesn't want nor particularly need him. Maybe I am wrong but I am worried.
I mean I suppose this might be a play for a Vice Presidential nomination. But how often does somebody with no current office get chosen?
Quote from: Legbiter on April 01, 2019, 10:45:26 AM
my first impression is Biden would be the easiest one for Trump to beat if everything stays the same.
So you therefore think that he should be picked so that can happen? :hmm:
Quote from: merithyn on April 01, 2019, 12:18:33 PM
My preferences:
1. Harris
2. Warren
3. Buttigieg
4. Castro
5. Gabbard
6. Gillibrand
7. Hickenlooper
8. O'Rourke
9. The rest
I've kind f been pulling for Booker, though I'm uncertain about that choice. The fact you didn't rank him makes me feel a bit better. :P :hug:
Although Kamala Harris wouldn't be the worst choice in the world. :unsure:
I have no clue what the Democrats support. At this point, it doesn't really matter. Short of Warren, I'd vote for just about any of them over Trump, and I'd squint real hard and make myself vote for Warren, too, probably.
Whichever of them is for free trade, responsible long-term spending and taxation, and not being an inhuman fucking monster, I'm okay with.
Quote from: Habbaku on April 01, 2019, 01:04:52 PM
Whichever of them is for free trade, responsible long-term spending and taxation, and not being an inhuman fucking monster, I'm okay with.
Yes. Though unfortunately I think those things are losers in a primary in either party.
I cast my non american non binding, entirely meaningless, vote for Warren to be the Democratic candidate.
A very smart policy wonk as President is what the US and the world needs now.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 01, 2019, 01:14:40 PM
I cast my non american non binding, entirely meaningless, vote for Warren to be the Democratic candidate.
A very smart policy wonk as President is what the US and the world needs now.
Do take note the question isn't who do you think should be president but rather who should the Dems nominate.
Quote from: garbon on April 01, 2019, 01:27:27 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 01, 2019, 01:14:40 PM
I cast my non american non binding, entirely meaningless, vote for Warren to be the Democratic candidate.
A very smart policy wonk as President is what the US and the world needs now.
Do take note the question isn't who do you think should be president but rather who should the Dems nominate.
Right, and I have some hope the US system will become sane again.
Quote from: garbon on April 01, 2019, 01:27:27 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 01, 2019, 01:14:40 PM
I cast my non american non binding, entirely meaningless, vote for Warren to be the Democratic candidate.
A very smart policy wonk as President is what the US and the world needs now.
Do take note the question isn't who do you think should be president but rather who should the Dems nominate.
I don't see the distinction. The question isn't who will win - it's "who should they pick". I think it calls for an assessment of personal preference.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 01, 2019, 01:41:50 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 01, 2019, 01:27:27 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 01, 2019, 01:14:40 PM
I cast my non american non binding, entirely meaningless, vote for Warren to be the Democratic candidate.
A very smart policy wonk as President is what the US and the world needs now.
Do take note the question isn't who do you think should be president but rather who should the Dems nominate.
Right, and I have some hope the US system will become sane again.
The system has always been sane. It is just the damn voters that ruin it!
Quote from: Barrister on April 01, 2019, 01:43:28 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 01, 2019, 01:27:27 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 01, 2019, 01:14:40 PM
I cast my non american non binding, entirely meaningless, vote for Warren to be the Democratic candidate.
A very smart policy wonk as President is what the US and the world needs now.
Do take note the question isn't who do you think should be president but rather who should the Dems nominate.
I don't see the distinction. The question isn't who will win - it's "who should they pick". I think it calls for an assessment of personal preference.
I guess it depends on what one thinks 'should' should mean.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 01, 2019, 01:14:40 PM
I cast my non american non binding, entirely meaningless, vote for Warren to be the Democratic candidate.
A very smart policy wonk as President is what the US and the world needs now.
As dps noted a while back Democrat policy wonks lose, and frequently lose badly. It's the charismatic Democrats that win.
Quote from: frunk on April 01, 2019, 02:06:42 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 01, 2019, 01:14:40 PM
I cast my non american non binding, entirely meaningless, vote for Warren to be the Democratic candidate.
A very smart policy wonk as President is what the US and the world needs now.
As dps noted a while back Democrat policy wonks lose, and frequently lose badly. It's the charismatic Democrats that win.
Being able to be many things to many people is a big political advantage.
Unless they find a Blue Dog willing to run, I don't care. Question for me is which third party candidate to vote for.
Quote from: derspiess on April 01, 2019, 02:14:37 PM
Unless they find a Blue Dog willing to run, I don't care. Question for me is which third party candidate to vote for.
Full on Blue Dogs are extinct, man. You know that.
But some of these candidates are not like the others. But there's a pretty substantive difference between Warren and Sanders on the one side, and a Joe Biden, Beto or Cory Booker on the other.
Quote from: Barrister on April 01, 2019, 02:17:56 PM
Full on Blue Dogs are extinct, man. You know that.
I don't know that :unsure:
Granted I don't know what sort of policies are required for you or Spicey to consider straight blue dog.
In any case a Blue Dog is as likely to capture a presidential nomination as a leftist RINO is to capture the Republican one.
Granted we can have people singing the glories of capitalism and free trade but unless they are extreme in quasi-anarchism they are widely seen as leftwing.
Not much rising to the top in terms of third party candidates :yuk:
Unless Amash decides to run as a Libertarian, I may have to vote for Vermin Supreme.
Quote from: derspiess on April 01, 2019, 02:37:32 PM
Not much rising to the top in terms of third party candidates :yuk:
Unless Amash decides to run as a Libertarian, I may have to vote for Vermin Supreme.
That would be one awesome Presidency. Everything would be discussed on his Facebook page.
But I don't know. He tends to prefer just to keep his Congressional seat.
Quote from: celedhring on April 01, 2019, 09:43:55 AM
No idea to be frank. Half of the people on the list are complete unknowns to me. I need pictures.
Okay, I did some research on the matter, and my vote goes to Tulsi Gabbard, who sadly isn't on the list. :glare:
Quote from: celedhring on April 01, 2019, 03:00:21 PM
Quote from: celedhring on April 01, 2019, 09:43:55 AM
No idea to be frank. Half of the people on the list are complete unknowns to me. I need pictures.
Okay, I did some research on the matter, and my vote goes to Tulsi Gabbard, who sadly isn't on the list. :glare:
Such an openly anti-Saudi President would be wild.
I voted on her looks only (although I'm aware her foreign policy is rather wild). There's far too many people in the field to research their platforms or electability. Ask me in a year when it winnows down. :P
Quote from: celedhring on April 01, 2019, 03:42:22 PM
I voted on her looks only (although I'm aware her foreign policy is rather wild). There's far too many people in the field to research their platforms or electability. Ask me in a year when it winnows down. :P
She is controversial. She seems a bit...too outraged by what we are doing in Syria? I mean I get not being enthusiastic about it but she seems almost like she likes Assad. That might be unfair.
But hating the Saudis easily cancels that out as far as evil regimes go.
I think there are some other things controversial about her but they don't come readily to mind. I am sure her opponents in this primary will help remind me :lol:
Quote from: Valmy on April 01, 2019, 03:46:04 PM
Quote from: celedhring on April 01, 2019, 03:42:22 PM
I voted on her looks only (although I'm aware her foreign policy is rather wild). There's far too many people in the field to research their platforms or electability. Ask me in a year when it winnows down. :P
She is controversial. She seems a bit...too outraged by what we are doing in Syria? I mean I get not being enthusiastic about it but she seems almost like she likes Assad. That might be unfair.
But hating the Saudis easily cancels that out as far as evil regimes go.
I think there are some other things controversial about her but they don't come readily to mind. I am sure her opponents in this primary will help remind me :lol:
Will they even care? Checking some odds/polls she seems very low in the ladder.
I remember Minsky speaking well of Klobuchar. I might go with that as a lazy default.
She also seems to think the US is sponsoring a coup in Venezuela.
Quote from: Valmy on April 01, 2019, 01:43:56 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 01, 2019, 01:41:50 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 01, 2019, 01:27:27 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 01, 2019, 01:14:40 PM
I cast my non american non binding, entirely meaningless, vote for Warren to be the Democratic candidate.
A very smart policy wonk as President is what the US and the world needs now.
Do take note the question isn't who do you think should be president but rather who should the Dems nominate.
Right, and I have some hope the US system will become sane again.
The system has always been sane. It is just the damn voters that ruin it!
Well, if one were to use that distinction your system is pretty nuts. 50 different electoral systems, an electoral college and people don't lose their elected positions if they fail to pass a budget. All in all the system could definitely use improvement.
Tulsi Doom has no chance. Her youthful participation in her father's homo deprogramming guarantees that.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 01, 2019, 03:57:40 PM
Tulsi Doom has no chance. Her youthful participation in her father's homo deprogramming guarantees that.
She said she has changed!
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 01, 2019, 03:57:40 PM
Tulsi Doom has no chance.
:thumbsup:
Maybe she'd have more chances if her name was indeed Tulsi Doom.
Sanders would be great, and it's true he is only as old as trump.... But trump is a walking corpse.
That being said sanders wouldn't take trumps bs. Those "debates" would be fun to see.
I don't follow American politics in too much detail but I guess there is no suitable like sanders but middle aged figure?
Quote from: merithyn on April 01, 2019, 12:14:46 PM
He impressed me, though he has the "polished politician" a little too down pat. Should he win the nomination, I wouldn't be upset.
Having a polished politician would be a nice change of pace. :)
Quote from: garbon on April 01, 2019, 01:45:55 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 01, 2019, 01:43:28 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 01, 2019, 01:27:27 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 01, 2019, 01:14:40 PM
I cast my non american non binding, entirely meaningless, vote for Warren to be the Democratic candidate.
A very smart policy wonk as President is what the US and the world needs now.
Do take note the question isn't who do you think should be president but rather who should the Dems nominate.
I don't see the distinction. The question isn't who will win - it's "who should they pick". I think it calls for an assessment of personal preference.
I guess it depends on what one thinks 'should' should mean.
Well, yeah. Does it mean that I think the Dems should nominate candidate X because candidate X would make the best President, or does it mean that they should nominate candidate Y because candidate Y would have the best chance of beating Trump? If the former, well, Biden has a pretty good record of supporting free trade polices, so I'd be inclined to say Biden, though I admit I'm not sure where some of them stand on the issue. OTOH, if the latter, I have to admit I don't know--my record on trying to guess how the electorate will vote isn't very good, but I'm guessing someone younger than Biden better relate to younger voters (though a lot of Bernie's 2016 support came from younger voters, so maybe not).
Quote from: Legbiter on April 01, 2019, 10:45:26 AM
Quote from: celedhring on April 01, 2019, 09:43:55 AM
No idea to be frank. Half of the people on the list are complete unknowns to me. I need pictures.
Yeah.
Imagining a side-by-side matchup in 2020, my first impression is Biden would be the easiest one for Trump to beat if everything stays the same. But it's such a long way off and God knows what will happen in the meantime.
Biden would be one of the hardest for Trump to beat. What are you smoking.
Voted Harris.
Biden would be the only one to give Trump a run for his money in the "creepy old man" category, that's for sure.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on April 01, 2019, 06:35:26 PM
Quote from: merithyn on April 01, 2019, 12:14:46 PM
He impressed me, though he has the "polished politician" a little too down pat. Should he win the nomination, I wouldn't be upset.
Having a polished politician would be a nice change of pace. :)
I said that I wouldn't be upset if he won. :contract:
But I like Buttigieg's more laid-back style. He clearly has done more in his life than just public office. Castro is literally a career politician. I'd be happy to see someone with a more varied background.
This is the first time I've heard Buttgeig's name.
Quite the name.
And fittingly gay.
Quote from: Oexmelin on April 01, 2019, 05:01:00 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 01, 2019, 03:57:40 PM
Tulsi Doom has no chance.
:thumbsup:
Maybe she'd have more chances if her name was indeed Tulsi Doom.
That's indeed one of the best Yi nicknames.
Boot Edge Edge! :showoff:
Quote from: celedhring on April 02, 2019, 01:54:02 AM
Quote from: Oexmelin on April 01, 2019, 05:01:00 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 01, 2019, 03:57:40 PM
Tulsi Doom has no chance.
:thumbsup:
Maybe she'd have more chances if her name was indeed Tulsi Doom.
That's indeed one of the best Yi nicknames.
Doesn't seem apt, from what little I know of her.
Quote from: Tyr on April 01, 2019, 05:23:05 PM
Sanders would be great, and it's true he is only as old as trump.... But trump is a walking corpse.
That being said sanders wouldn't take trumps bs. Those "debates" would be fun to see.
I don't follow American politics in too much detail but I guess there is no suitable like sanders but middle aged figure?
AOC? I guess there's a minimum age law but is there any actual reason for the President to be an old fart?
Quote from: Eddie Teach on April 02, 2019, 02:35:17 AM
Quote from: celedhring on April 02, 2019, 01:54:02 AM
Quote from: Oexmelin on April 01, 2019, 05:01:00 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 01, 2019, 03:57:40 PM
Tulsi Doom has no chance.
:thumbsup:
Maybe she'd have more chances if her name was indeed Tulsi Doom.
That's indeed one of the best Yi nicknames.
Doesn't seem apt, from what little I know of her.
She doesn't behead her political opponents or command her staff to commit suicide?
1. Warren
2. Bernie (I voted Bernie in the poll because I think he's more likely to win the general)
3. Butt
4. O'Rourke
5. Gillibrand
6. Harris
Quote from: Tyr on April 01, 2019, 05:23:05 PM
Sanders would be great, and it's true he is only as old as trump....
Sanders is five years older than Trump. If Trump serves two complete terms he will be the oldest person to serve as president. If Sanders were to win in 2020 he would be the oldest person to serve as president the day he took office.
You fight fire with fire. So maybe you fight an old guy with a really old guy? The old woman thing didn't work last time.
Anyhow I voted Biden; the Biden-Trump debates will become the stuff of legend. Not "Legend" in the sense of Kennedy-Nixon or Lincoln-Douglas; but instead like the aged Beowulf and the dragon. In the upcoming dark ages bards will sing songs of the contest in their liege's mead hall.
Unless Schultz does run, in which case Bloomberg is the best possible choice.
Voted Joe Biden. The rest either I don't know, or I don't prefer (Warren and Sanders).
Quote from: Savonarola on April 02, 2019, 03:22:28 PM
Anyhow I voted Biden; the Biden-Trump debates will become the stuff of legend. Not "Legend" in the sense of Kennedy-Nixon or Lincoln-Douglas; but instead like the aged Beowulf and the dragon. In the upcoming dark ages bards will sing songs of the contest in their liege's mead hall.
Unless Schultz does run, in which case Bloomberg is the best possible choice.
Hehe, it'll be a classic, that's for sure. Debates for the ages! :) But I think Biden is going to fade quite a bit. He's been apologizing and back tracking for some of his past views and ideas in order to appease the more staunch lefties, and that looks weak. Then warranted or not he's getting hit by women's accusations plus what's on video of him doing at events, even with kids, the touching and such. I think it's over blown in some cases and creepy in others, but politics gets nasty as he's of course getting hit by other Dem candidate contenders.
Quote from: Savonarola on April 02, 2019, 03:22:28 PM
Anyhow I voted Biden; the Biden-Trump debates will become the stuff of legend. Not "Legend" in the sense of Kennedy-Nixon or Lincoln-Douglas; but instead like the aged Beowulf and the dragon. In the upcoming dark ages bards will sing songs of the contest in their liege's mead hall.
Unless Schultz does run, in which case Bloomberg is the best possible choice.
There's no way this stuff isn't going to tank him in a democratic primary.
https://mobile.twitter.com/GreatAmericaPAC/status/1113141376546308097 (https://mobile.twitter.com/GreatAmericaPAC/status/1113141376546308097)
I dunno, that kinda looks like a suicide vest. The Democratic candidate who utilizes such a cheap accusation may take out Biden, but his own credibility will be crushed. Note that it's a pro-Trump Pac running the ad.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 03, 2019, 08:44:46 AMThere's no way this stuff isn't going to tank him in a democratic primary.https://mobile.twitter.com/GreatAmericaPAC/status/1113141376546308097 (https://mobile.twitter.com/GreatAmericaPAC/status/1113141376546308097)
Depends on who shows up to vote in the primaries. If a lot of "normies" show up to vote for him then it might not really become an issue. :hmm:
I think all the pervs are voting for the guy who likes to grab women by the pussy. Also, the people old enough to remember when men could be touchy are senile enough to vote Trump as well. Biden won't get any votes for being touchy, but he's also too old to run for office.
Plus, while Biden isn't Trumpishly dishonest, he's got a few whoppers in his past.
Quote from: Eddie Teach on April 03, 2019, 09:02:23 AM
I dunno, that kinda looks like a suicide vest. The Democratic candidate who utilizes such a cheap accusation may take out Biden, but his own credibility will be crushed.
That is the ever-present danger. That once the Democratic candidates are done #MeTooing each other and/or accusing each other of being Kremlin agents, while Trump does running standup comedy on the sidelines, whoever crawls bloodily into the ring with Trump will be that much weaker. :hmm:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 03, 2019, 08:44:46 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 02, 2019, 03:22:28 PM
Anyhow I voted Biden; the Biden-Trump debates will become the stuff of legend. Not "Legend" in the sense of Kennedy-Nixon or Lincoln-Douglas; but instead like the aged Beowulf and the dragon. In the upcoming dark ages bards will sing songs of the contest in their liege's mead hall.
Unless Schultz does run, in which case Bloomberg is the best possible choice.
There's no way this stuff isn't going to tank him in a democratic primary.
https://mobile.twitter.com/GreatAmericaPAC/status/1113141376546308097 (https://mobile.twitter.com/GreatAmericaPAC/status/1113141376546308097)
gee, Republicans playing the moral card when they refused investigation into Kavanaugh's behavior? No surprise there.
Quote from: grumbler on April 03, 2019, 09:36:01 AM
I think all the pervs are voting for the guy who likes to grab women by the pussy. Also, the people old enough to remember when men could be touchy are senile enough to vote Trump as well. Biden won't get any votes for being touchy, but he's also too old to run for office.
Plus, while Biden isn't Trumpishly dishonest, he's got a few whoppers in his past.
The whole plagerism thing from the late '80s that sunk his first run for president comes to mind.
I think the whole touchy-feely thing is really overblown, and I'm not much of a toucher. Yeah, it's awkward, and yeah, it's really not appropriate. But in the sweet grandfatherly way rather than the grab-em-by-the-pussy way. YMMV
Quote from: viper37 on April 03, 2019, 10:11:54 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 03, 2019, 08:44:46 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 02, 2019, 03:22:28 PM
Anyhow I voted Biden; the Biden-Trump debates will become the stuff of legend. Not "Legend" in the sense of Kennedy-Nixon or Lincoln-Douglas; but instead like the aged Beowulf and the dragon. In the upcoming dark ages bards will sing songs of the contest in their liege's mead hall.
Unless Schultz does run, in which case Bloomberg is the best possible choice.
There's no way this stuff isn't going to tank him in a democratic primary.
https://mobile.twitter.com/GreatAmericaPAC/status/1113141376546308097 (https://mobile.twitter.com/GreatAmericaPAC/status/1113141376546308097)
gee, Republicans playing the moral card when they refused investigation into Kavanaugh's behavior? No surprise there.
Better yet, this is a rehash of a commercial that Clinton ran against Trump in 2016.
Quote from: merithyn on April 03, 2019, 11:08:04 AM
I think the whole touchy-feely thing is really overblown, and I'm not much of a toucher. Yeah, it's awkward, and yeah, it's really not appropriate. But in the sweet grandfatherly way rather than the grab-em-by-the-pussy way. YMMV
I agree, though I think it may be a generational thing.
Heck, I'm old enough to remember when men were sometimes criticized for being distant and not being touchy-feelie. Now, pat someone on the back to congratulate them for a job well done and you risk being accused of sexual harassment, even though any reasonable person would recognize that it's in no way a sexual gesture.
Every postwar non-incumbency election that Demorats won happened when they ran a fresh young face: Jack Kennedy, Carter, Clinton, Obama. FDR arguably fits that as well as a 50 year old one-term governor, which makes it 100 years. It's not enough to be non-Trump. There has to be reason to vote *for* the candidate. It's not clear to me what Joe Biden's case is to vote for him other than that he is a safe pair of hands that has some voter appeal in the old Midwest.
Quote from: Legbiter on April 03, 2019, 09:03:57 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 03, 2019, 08:44:46 AMThere's no way this stuff isn't going to tank him in a democratic primary.https://mobile.twitter.com/GreatAmericaPAC/status/1113141376546308097 (https://mobile.twitter.com/GreatAmericaPAC/status/1113141376546308097)
Depends on who shows up to vote in the primaries. If a lot of "normies" show up to vote for him then it might not really become an issue. :hmm:
Normies? :yeahright:
As long as Bernie isn't the nominee I'll be reasonably happy. I don't really like him and I'm fairly certain he's the most likely to lose to Donald.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 03, 2019, 01:17:11 PM
Quote from: Legbiter on April 03, 2019, 09:03:57 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 03, 2019, 08:44:46 AMThere's no way this stuff isn't going to tank him in a democratic primary.https://mobile.twitter.com/GreatAmericaPAC/status/1113141376546308097 (https://mobile.twitter.com/GreatAmericaPAC/status/1113141376546308097)
Depends on who shows up to vote in the primaries. If a lot of "normies" show up to vote for him then it might not really become an issue. :hmm:
Normies? :yeahright:
Does Legbiter think Languish is some kind of cult so we need disparaging terms for those on the outside?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 03, 2019, 08:44:46 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 02, 2019, 03:22:28 PM
Anyhow I voted Biden; the Biden-Trump debates will become the stuff of legend. Not "Legend" in the sense of Kennedy-Nixon or Lincoln-Douglas; but instead like the aged Beowulf and the dragon. In the upcoming dark ages bards will sing songs of the contest in their liege's mead hall.
Unless Schultz does run, in which case Bloomberg is the best possible choice.
There's no way this stuff isn't going to tank him in a democratic primary.
https://mobile.twitter.com/GreatAmericaPAC/status/1113141376546308097 (https://mobile.twitter.com/GreatAmericaPAC/status/1113141376546308097)
If you say so; but the question on the table isn't "Who
will the Democrats pick to run against Trump" it's "Who
should the democrats pick to run against Trump". Based on the criterion I listed I feel that Biden is the clear choice.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on April 03, 2019, 12:10:58 PM
Every postwar non-incumbency election that Demorats won happened when they ran a fresh young face: Jack Kennedy, Carter, Clinton, Obama. FDR arguably fits that as well as a 50 year old one-term governor, which makes it 100 years. It's not enough to be non-Trump. There has to be reason to vote *for* the candidate. It's not clear to me what Joe Biden's case is to vote for him other than that he is a safe pair of hands that has some voter appeal in the old Midwest.
Roosevelt was Cox's running mate; calling him a "Fresh young face" in 1932, would be the equivalent of calling Sarah Palin a "Fresh young face" today.
Quote from: Valmy on April 03, 2019, 02:36:27 PM
Does Legbiter think Languish is some kind of cult so we need disparaging terms for those on the outside?
It's Alt-Right lingo.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 03, 2019, 03:39:51 PM
Quote from: Valmy on April 03, 2019, 02:36:27 PM
Does Legbiter think Languish is some kind of cult so we need disparaging terms for those on the outside?
It's Alt-Right lingo.
no, not exclusively.
Quote from: Savonarola on April 03, 2019, 03:27:31 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 03, 2019, 08:44:46 AM
Quote from: Savonarola on April 02, 2019, 03:22:28 PM
Anyhow I voted Biden; the Biden-Trump debates will become the stuff of legend. Not "Legend" in the sense of Kennedy-Nixon or Lincoln-Douglas; but instead like the aged Beowulf and the dragon. In the upcoming dark ages bards will sing songs of the contest in their liege's mead hall.
Unless Schultz does run, in which case Bloomberg is the best possible choice.
There's no way this stuff isn't going to tank him in a democratic primary.
https://mobile.twitter.com/GreatAmericaPAC/status/1113141376546308097 (https://mobile.twitter.com/GreatAmericaPAC/status/1113141376546308097)
If you say so; but the question on the table isn't "Who will the Democrats pick to run against Trump" it's "Who should the democrats pick to run against Trump". Based on the criterion I listed I feel that Biden is the clear choice.
Fair enough
Quote from: viper37 on April 03, 2019, 09:11:18 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 03, 2019, 03:39:51 PM
Quote from: Valmy on April 03, 2019, 02:36:27 PM
Does Legbiter think Languish is some kind of cult so we need disparaging terms for those on the outside?
It's Alt-Right lingo.
no, not exclusively.
Where did you hear it?
It's also used by incels.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/normie
Quotenormie
NOUN
informal
An ordinary or conventional person, as distinguished from someone who is a member of a particular group or subculture.
'I need a guide for geeks struggling to buy presents for normies'
'the venue had a 'no blue jeans' policy to keep out normies'
Raz sees the alt-right everywhere.
Quote from: Eddie Teach on April 04, 2019, 02:21:37 PM
It's also used by incels.
Aren't Incels part of the alt right?
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 04, 2019, 02:35:26 PM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on April 04, 2019, 02:21:37 PM
It's also used by incels.
Aren't Incels part of the alt right?
Not necessarily, but there obviously is some overlap.
They don't have a common ideology.
They usually do. The whole hate for women thing tends to lead to ideologies that hate women.
And then there's the "Foreigners stealing our women!" trope.
Quote from: Tyr on April 04, 2019, 02:47:02 PM
They usually do. The whole hate for women thing tends to lead to ideologies that hate women.
And then there's the "Foreigners stealing our women!" trope.
Take Milo (please!). He's clearly alt-right, but obviously not an incel.
Or the manifestos of incel killers really make zero reference to other races.
The alt-right has many different aggrieved groups. The incels just have different people they have grievances towards. Female-type people.
Quote from: Barrister on April 04, 2019, 03:11:01 PM
Quote from: Tyr on April 04, 2019, 02:47:02 PM
They usually do. The whole hate for women thing tends to lead to ideologies that hate women.
And then there's the "Foreigners stealing our women!" trope.
Take Milo (please!). He's clearly alt-right, but obviously not an incel.
Are you really claiming that the alt-right is defined by Milo so that unless a group has something in common with him they cannot possibly be alt-right?
Just learned that ex Colorado gov Hickenlooper is running.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 04, 2019, 03:49:59 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 04, 2019, 03:11:01 PM
Quote from: Tyr on April 04, 2019, 02:47:02 PM
They usually do. The whole hate for women thing tends to lead to ideologies that hate women.
And then there's the "Foreigners stealing our women!" trope.
Take Milo (please!). He's clearly alt-right, but obviously not an incel.
Are you really claiming that the alt-right is defined by Milo so that unless a group has something in common with him they cannot possibly be alt-right?
No.
I said that the alt-right and incels are different, but with some overlap. An overlapping venn diagram if you will. I pointed to Milo as an example of an alt-right person who is obviously not an incel, given his flamboyant homosexuality.
Meh it is all two complicated. Incels are kind of a sad group so I don't blame the Alt-Right for not wanting to claim them.
Quote from: Barrister on April 04, 2019, 03:11:01 PM
Quote from: Tyr on April 04, 2019, 02:47:02 PM
They usually do. The whole hate for women thing tends to lead to ideologies that hate women.
And then there's the "Foreigners stealing our women!" trope.
Take Milo (please!). He's clearly alt-right, but obviously not an incel.
Or the manifestos of incel killers really make zero reference to other races.
An apple is a fruit. Not all fruit are apples.
Those incels that don't overlap with the alt right don't overlap with any politics. Though with what I know of incels these people are small in number. Their entire schtick is rage with the system thats denying them a chance of getting laid.
Milo is not alt-right.
Quote from: Tyr on April 04, 2019, 04:45:11 PM
Those incels that don't overlap with the alt right don't overlap with any politics. Though with what I know of incels these people are small in number. Their entire schtick is rage with the system thats denying them a chance of getting laid.
I've seen nothing about any "system." You're projecting your own Marxism. I've seen plenty of rage about hotties that don't bang them and dudes who do get laid.
Quote from: derspiess on April 04, 2019, 04:55:11 PM
Milo is not alt-right.
I can see why they wouldn't want him either.
Because he says he's not and he clashes with alt-right types that hate him. And he's gay, married to a black man, and claims Jewish roots.
IMO an acceptable term would be "alt-lite".
Bah, close enough. Just another troll with absolutely nothing to add, who cares how he labels himself.
Quote from: derspiess on April 04, 2019, 06:16:27 PM
Because he says he's not and he clashes with alt-right types that hate him. And he's gay, married to a black man, and claims Jewish roots.
IMO an acceptable term would be "alt-lite".
Who exactly is alt-right?
Quote from: Valmy on April 04, 2019, 07:44:53 PM
Who exactly is alt-right?
That Nazi with the man tits.
Goering?
Quote from: Zoupa on April 04, 2019, 06:22:12 PM
Bah, close enough. Just another troll with absolutely nothing to add, who cares how he labels himself.
It's a fairly important distinction. Milo's a douchebag and a troll, but labeling people alt-right without warrant seems to muddy the waters and lead to potential for crying-wolf. Guys like Mike Cernovich is pretty clearly alt-right. Milo and Ben Shapiro, not so much.
Quote from: derspiess on April 04, 2019, 06:16:27 PM
Because he says he's not and he clashes with alt-right types that hate him. And he's gay, married to a black man, and claims Jewish roots.
IMO an acceptable term would be "alt-lite".
Nobody is Alt-Right according to Derspeiss. He just sang karoke with Nazis and reached out to them about stuff he was writing for Breitbart. Just like any normal person would have.
Quote from: Habbaku on April 04, 2019, 08:25:00 PM
Quote from: Zoupa on April 04, 2019, 06:22:12 PM
Bah, close enough. Just another troll with absolutely nothing to add, who cares how he labels himself.
It's a fairly important distinction. Milo's a douchebag and a troll, but labeling people alt-right without warrant seems to muddy the waters and lead to potential for crying-wolf. Guys like Mike Cernovich is pretty clearly alt-right. Milo and Ben Shapiro, not so much.
What exactly is the alt-right? If there is a distinction.
I think there's a distinction, but Trumpism has managed to blur the lines a bit over the last couple of years.
Wiki has a pretty solid definition, I think, and one that's not easy to twist to serve the left's attempts to smear every conservative with the label: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 04, 2019, 05:24:04 PM
I've seen nothing about any "system." You're projecting your own Marxism. I've seen plenty of rage about hotties that don't bang them and dudes who do get laid.
You should look harder. It's a well documented feature of incel "manifestos". This may be a good place to start. https://www.vox.com/2018/5/4/17314260/incel-sex-robots-sexual-redistribution-ross-douthat-history
Quote from: Oexmelin on April 04, 2019, 11:38:17 PM
You should look harder. It's a well documented feature of incel "manifestos". This may be a good place to start. https://www.vox.com/2018/5/4/17314260/incel-sex-robots-sexual-redistribution-ross-douthat-history
It may very well be a well documented feature of incel manifestos but you wouldn't know it from reading that article. That article is about a guy who is analyzing incels philosophically, sociologically and economically. He's not an incel himself (or if he is it doesn't come up in the article) and he proclaims no manifestos, incel or otherwise.
Yes, it's a place to start, not Incel 101. I'll let you research the dark web for incel chat rooms, or scour comments on Jordan Peterson's pages, or hunt around for angry white male twitter accounts, or discussions of Gamersgate. It comes up frequently. Count your blessings if you haven't been exposed to it.
They do believe the "system" is rigged against them, but it's a social one, not political.
Quote from: Eddie Teach on April 05, 2019, 12:47:25 AM
They do believe the "system" is rigged against them, but it's a social one, not political.
Let me just say that they seem to resent people, not systems.
Quote from: Oexmelin on April 05, 2019, 12:43:46 AM
Yes, it's a place to start, not Incel 101. I'll let you research the dark web for incel chat rooms, or scour comments on Jordan Peterson's pages, or hunt around for angry white male twitter accounts, or discussions of Gamersgate. It comes up frequently. Count your blessings if you haven't been exposed to it.
Ugh. Reading what those weirdo write is both horrifying and depressing. I'm not a ladies man by any stretch, but I didn't blame women for that. It's because I'm an obnoxious know-it-all, and I'm okay with that. I am a recluse, but that's because I had a nervous breakdown.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 04, 2019, 05:24:04 PM
Quote from: Tyr on April 04, 2019, 04:45:11 PM
Those incels that don't overlap with the alt right don't overlap with any politics. Though with what I know of incels these people are small in number. Their entire schtick is rage with the system thats denying them a chance of getting laid.
I've seen nothing about any "system." You're projecting your own Marxism. I've seen plenty of rage about hotties that don't bang them and dudes who do get laid.
Marxism? :blink:
Look closer at what they say. It's all very systemised. Not just random chance. They've drawn the genetic short straw which means the alpha men with good bone structure will get all the women, even the ones they don't want. Why it the system was fair the 5s would be with the 5s but women are wired to always look above themselves, etc...
Quote from: Tyr on April 05, 2019, 02:27:23 AM
Marxism? :blink:
Look closer at what they say. It's all very systemised. Not just random chance. They've drawn the genetic short straw which means the alpha men with good bone structure will get all the women, even the ones they don't want. Why it the system was fair the 5s would be with the 5s but women are wired to always look above themselves, etc...
The Marxism thing was semi-joking.
A system means planning, organization, structure. Chicks preferring hott, rich guys is not a system. It's a preference.
Chicks preferring rich guys is a consequence of our political economy--the system. Chicks preferring hot guys is due to nature, red in tooth and claw. :weep:
Quote from: Grinning_Colossus on April 05, 2019, 03:22:40 AM
Chicks preferring hot guys is due to nature, red in tooth and claw. :weep:
And what kind of chicks do guys prefer?
The kind with symmetrical faces, neotenous features and yet wide, childbreading hips. Nature remains ever red in tooth and claw. :thumbsdown:
Quote from: frunk on April 05, 2019, 07:25:22 AM
Quote from: Grinning_Colossus on April 05, 2019, 03:22:40 AM
Chicks preferring hot guys is due to nature, red in tooth and claw. :weep:
And what kind of chicks do guys prefer?
The original.
Quote from: Grinning_Colossus on April 05, 2019, 07:28:57 AM
The kind with symmetrical faces, neotenous features and yet wide, childbreading hips. Nature remains ever red in tooth and claw. :thumbsdown:
Well, I'm not sure there's an equivalent to the Incel movement among women. Sure there are some man hating groups but nothing so virulent or widespread.
Quote from: frunk on April 05, 2019, 07:31:12 AM
Well, I'm not sure there's an equivalent to the Incel movement among women.
That's because a woman who wants to get laid can almost always find a willing guy, which is why hookers are way more common than gigolos. Though given the existence of prostitution, I'd argue than no one is truly involuntarily celibate (barring guys who are impotent and for whom Viagra or other drugs don't work).
Incels are huge losers who wish Fight Club was real. They're laughable when they're not stalking women and trying to ruin their lives. Then they need to be thrown in jail.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 04, 2019, 09:08:50 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 04, 2019, 06:16:27 PM
Because he says he's not and he clashes with alt-right types that hate him. And he's gay, married to a black man, and claims Jewish roots.
IMO an acceptable term would be "alt-lite".
Nobody is Alt-Right according to Derspeiss. He just sang karoke with Nazis and reached out to them about stuff he was writing for Breitbart. Just like any normal person would have.
I never did that!!
:P
Having known no incels in real life, take this with a massive grain of salt, but I think their problem is less about sex and more about having utterly no confidence, feeling sorry for themselves as a result (to the point of derangement), and then blaming the world (but primarily women) for their problems.
Does anyone actually know an incel in real life?
Quote from: dps on April 05, 2019, 08:06:10 AM
Quote from: frunk on April 05, 2019, 07:31:12 AM
Well, I'm not sure there's an equivalent to the Incel movement among women.
That's because a woman who wants to get laid can almost always find a willing guy, which is why hookers are way more common than gigolos. Though given the existence of prostitution, I'd argue than no one is truly involuntarily celibate (barring guys who are impotent and for whom Viagra or other drugs don't work).
Well, I once read an article about a guy with som handicap, don't remember what. He really wanted to have sex and failed constantly, so in the end he went to a prostitute that turned him away on account of his handicap. Sad story that one. Rather unique also.
And aren't most prostitutes males geared towards male customers?
Quote from: FunkMonk on April 05, 2019, 08:10:44 AM
Having known no incels in real life, take this with a massive grain of salt, but I think their problem is less about sex and more about having utterly no confidence, feeling sorry for themselves as a result (to the point of derangement), and then blaming the world (but primarily women) for their problems.
Does anyone actually know an incel in real life?
No. But I think there's a massive overlap between the active online alt-right trolls and incels. Especially if you look at their general wordlview and not their self-declared labels. There seem to be far more losers blaming their lack of success with women on women and society, than people actually calling themselves incels. And at least 90% of them are far-right assholes. The rest are far-left.
I didn't know "incel" was a thing until about a month ago. Can't get my mind around why someone would voluntarily adopt that label, let alone turn it into a movement of some sort. Maybe put that time & energy into correcting your situation?
Quote from: derspiess on April 05, 2019, 08:27:58 AM
I didn't know "incel" was a thing until about a month ago. Can't get my mind around why someone would voluntarily adopt that label, let alone turn it into a movement of some sort. Maybe put that time & energy into correcting your situation?
Completely agree. Once you surround yourself with enablers who encourage your victim status, what chance do you have? It is not like it is a support group.
Maybe someone should tell them about masturbation?
:lol:
Quote from: The Brain on April 05, 2019, 08:30:38 AM
Maybe someone should tell them about masturbation?
:o How immoral!
Quote from: FunkMonk on April 05, 2019, 08:10:44 AM
Having known no incels in real life, take this with a massive grain of salt, but I think their problem is less about sex and more about having utterly no confidence, feeling sorry for themselves as a result (to the point of derangement), and then blaming the world (but primarily women) for their problems.
Does anyone actually know an incel in real life?
They are sadly rather common in some internet subcultures (gamers, anime fans...). I don't think I know any personally, but a couple of guys I'm acquainted with who rather fit the "sad nerd loser" stereotype wouldn't surprise me one bit if they belonged to or were adjacent to any of these groups.
Incels are just nerds that should really start going to a retrograde Church so they can find the servant/slave women they think they deserve.
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 05, 2019, 08:48:48 AM
Incels are just nerds that should really start going to a retrograde Church so they can find the servant/slave women they think they deserve.
I read an article in NRO on that exact theme - not that they'll find a servant/slave woman, but that going to church and involving themselves in the community they would find a wife.
Problem with incels though, from what I can tell (and I don't really spend much effort wanting to learn about them) is they come across that they don't want a wife and partner - they want easy, casual sex promised to them by popular culture.
Or, you know, any sort of community or social group that is not celebrating and entrenching failure.
Popular culture is great at entertaining, very bad at giving dating and relationship advice.
Quote from: Valmy on April 05, 2019, 10:04:50 AM
Or, you know, any sort of community or social group that is not celebrating and entrenching failure.
Popular culture is great at entertaining, very bad at giving dating and relationship advice.
I suppose, but I think there's probably something particularly special about going to a church in this context.
But anyways, the article wasn't hard to find if you're curious:
https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2018/05/28/incel-advice-start-going-to-church/
I mean maybe things are different at your church but I would rather people go to church because they want to be religious and spiritual not because they want to get laid.
Quote from: Barrister on April 05, 2019, 09:48:59 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 05, 2019, 08:48:48 AM
Incels are just nerds that should really start going to a retrograde Church so they can find the servant/slave women they think they deserve.
I read an article in NRO on that exact theme - not that they'll find a servant/slave woman, but that going to church and involving themselves in the community they would find a wife.
Problem with incels though, from what I can tell (and I don't really spend much effort wanting to learn about them) is they come across that they don't want a wife and partner - they want easy, casual sex promised to them by popular culture.
I'll read the article, seems interesting.
So it is more in that they are failing to recognize in which league they belong to then?
Quote from: Valmy on April 05, 2019, 10:20:24 AM
I mean maybe things are different at your church but I would rather people go to church because they want to be religious and spiritual not because they want to get laid.
I go to church to look at art and sculpture and architecture. :nerd:
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 05, 2019, 10:29:57 AM
So it is more in that they are failing to recognize in which league they belong to then?
Sometimes. I mean I don't read the incel stuff very often but often they talk about wanting a hot girl. I am like "dude I am pretty successful career-wise and reasonably attractive and even I did not delude myself into thinking some super hottie was going to be into me" granted I still tried...
Incels are self-hating men. Being a man means being expendable. It means not getting participation trophies, because you are not automatically important to your population. They hate this.
Quote from: Valmy on April 05, 2019, 10:20:24 AM
I mean maybe things are different at your church but I would rather people go to church because they want to be religious and spiritual not because they want to get laid.
Well first, the "incels should go to church" idea isn't that they'll get laid - it's that they'll get married.
Second, the article even covers that point:
QuoteAll you have to do to clear that first hurdle is show up. You're a man, you go to church, ergo you are a churchgoing man. Maybe you go for self-interested reasons. Most churches are good with that: Lots of people come to church not because they fell off their ass on the road to Damascus but because they are lonely or because they are unhappy with some aspect of their lives. That's okay. In Jesus's time, a lot of people came mostly for the show and the bread and the fishes. Just park your ass on a pew and we'll see about your immortal soul.
I can tell you I think that fits with my church - just come through the door, whatever your reason, and then we'll see what we can do about the "religious and spiritual" stuff.
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 05, 2019, 10:29:57 AM
So it is more in that they are failing to recognize in which league they belong to then?
Why do you think they're so bitterly depressed?
Quote from: Barrister on April 05, 2019, 10:33:18 AM
Quote from: Valmy on April 05, 2019, 10:20:24 AM
I mean maybe things are different at your church but I would rather people go to church because they want to be religious and spiritual not because they want to get laid.
Well first, the "incels should go to church" idea isn't that they'll get laid - it's that they'll get married.
Only frigid women want incels? :o
Quote from: Barrister on April 04, 2019, 04:05:17 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 04, 2019, 03:49:59 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 04, 2019, 03:11:01 PM
Quote from: Tyr on April 04, 2019, 02:47:02 PM
They usually do. The whole hate for women thing tends to lead to ideologies that hate women.
And then there's the "Foreigners stealing our women!" trope.
Take Milo (please!). He's clearly alt-right, but obviously not an incel.
Are you really claiming that the alt-right is defined by Milo so that unless a group has something in common with him they cannot possibly be alt-right?
No.
I said that the alt-right and incels are different, but with some overlap. An overlapping venn diagram if you will. I pointed to Milo as an example of an alt-right person who is obviously not an incel, given his flamboyant homosexuality.
Ok, so what is your objection to the observation that incels are also alt right?
Quote from: The Brain on April 05, 2019, 10:30:43 AM
Quote from: Valmy on April 05, 2019, 10:20:24 AM
I mean maybe things are different at your church but I would rather people go to church because they want to be religious and spiritual not because they want to get laid.
I go to church to look at art and sculpture and architecture. :nerd:
:thumbsup:
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 05, 2019, 10:39:50 AM
Ok, so what is your objection to the observation that incels are also alt right?
My observation was that while some incels may be alt-right, others may not.
Quote from: Barrister on April 05, 2019, 09:48:59 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 05, 2019, 08:48:48 AM
Incels are just nerds that should really start going to a retrograde Church so they can find the servant/slave women they think they deserve.
I read an article in NRO on that exact theme - not that they'll find a servant/slave woman, but that going to church and involving themselves in the community they would find a wife.
Problem with incels though, from what I can tell (and I don't really spend much effort wanting to learn about them) is they come across that they don't want a wife and partner - they want easy, casual sex promised to them by popular culture.
That seems bizarre. One would think they'd take it any way they can get it.
Quote from: derspiess on April 05, 2019, 11:23:18 AM
Quote from: Barrister on April 05, 2019, 09:48:59 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 05, 2019, 08:48:48 AM
Incels are just nerds that should really start going to a retrograde Church so they can find the servant/slave women they think they deserve.
I read an article in NRO on that exact theme - not that they'll find a servant/slave woman, but that going to church and involving themselves in the community they would find a wife.
Problem with incels though, from what I can tell (and I don't really spend much effort wanting to learn about them) is they come across that they don't want a wife and partner - they want easy, casual sex promised to them by popular culture.
That seems bizarre. One would think they'd take it any way they can get it.
Well they're fairly bizarre people.
Quote from: Eddie Teach on April 05, 2019, 10:35:05 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 05, 2019, 10:29:57 AM
So it is more in that they are failing to recognize in which league they belong to then?
Why do you think they're so bitterly depressed?
Because they are idiots that are not pragmatic or practical.
I was just reading about Salvador Dalí. It seems that he was something of an incel before meeting Gala; which is why almost all his paintings from 1927-1930 deal with auto-eroticism. (Naturally this has led many art historians to conclude that Dalí was a repressed homosexual. Personally, I think he was looking for attention; but that's why I'm not an art historian.) So we could reduce the worst excesses of incelness and make a profit by selling them art supplies and Freudian texts. Who's in?
Quote from: The Brain on April 05, 2019, 10:30:43 AM
Quote from: Valmy on April 05, 2019, 10:20:24 AM
I mean maybe things are different at your church but I would rather people go to church because they want to be religious and spiritual not because they want to get laid.
I go to church to look at art and sculpture and architecture. :nerd:
You don't find much of that worth looking at in Texas churches :P
Quote from: Threviel on April 05, 2019, 08:16:38 AM
And aren't most prostitutes males geared towards male customers?
My understanding is that the vast majority of prostitutes are females serving male customers. Male prostitutes serving male customers isn't exactly rare, but it's not the norm. Male prostitutes serving female customers is very rare (and most gigolos probably aren't really male prostitutes exactly; they're more the male equivalent of a gold digger). Female prostitutes serving female customers is very, very rare. But I certainly don't have any experience or expertise in the area, so I may be wrong.
Barrister would probably know more about this than any other poster here.
I'm thinking most female prostitutes will serve anyone.
Quote from: dps on April 05, 2019, 12:28:50 PM
Quote from: Threviel on April 05, 2019, 08:16:38 AM
And aren't most prostitutes males geared towards male customers?
My understanding is that the vast majority of prostitutes are females serving male customers. Male prostitutes serving male customers isn't exactly rare, but it's not the norm. Male prostitutes serving female customers is very rare (and most gigolos probably aren't really male prostitutes exactly; they're more the male equivalent of a gold digger). Female prostitutes serving female customers is very, very rare. But I certainly don't have any experience or expertise in the area, so I may be wrong.
Barrister would probably know more about this than any other poster here.
I'm not in the vice portfolio, but when it comes to actual charges 100% I've only ever seen female sex workers and male johns.
It's possible because thats because of police bias - I wouldn't be shocked if there is some level of gay male sex work going on, but just not being investigated. But we also have these weird laws now where prostitution itself is legal, but paying for sex is not.
Quote from: derspiess on April 05, 2019, 12:36:51 PM
I'm thinking most female prostitutes will serve anyone.
What if a female prostitute refuses to serve a gay wedding? Is that legal?
Quote from: derspiess on April 05, 2019, 12:36:51 PM
I'm thinking most female prostitutes will serve anyone.
Probably, but how many lesbians are going to hire one? I mean, maybe that goes on more than I'd suspect.
Quote from: derspiess on April 05, 2019, 08:27:58 AM
I didn't know "incel" was a thing until about a month ago. Can't get my mind around why someone would voluntarily adopt that label, let alone turn it into a movement of some sort. Maybe put that time & energy into correcting your situation?
Nah. It's a lot easier to blame women and SJWs.
Quote from: Valmy on April 05, 2019, 10:20:24 AM
I mean maybe things are different at your church but I would rather people go to church because they want to be religious and spiritual not because they want to get laid.
I think the thing about churches is that they provide a built-in social life that includes all sorts of folks - including people of all ages (and for "Incels", women who may be just as socially awkward or non-standard-good-looking as they are).
Mostly what I get from Incels is that they are guys without human connections outside of people exactly like them, mostly found on the Internet - which is great at creating all sorts of toxic echo chambers that can be mistaken for a social life.
(https://i.imgur.com/LZLOdQo.jpg)
:lol:
It was just something I've heard without bothering to check.
Apparently about 80% of the worlds prostitutes are female, according to https://prostitution.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000095 (https://prostitution.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000095)
You must make sure that the girl is pure. Ain't no plans with a man.
Brain's stuck in the 80s, no luck with the ladies
The closest to a flesh and blood incel that I've met is this Canadian guy I met at language school in France in 88. His entire conversational repertoire consisted of how stuck up Toronto girls are.
Quote from: The Larch on April 05, 2019, 08:48:30 AM
They are sadly rather common in some internet subcultures (gamers, anime fans...). I don't think I know any personally, but a couple of guys I'm acquainted with who rather fit the "sad nerd loser" stereotype wouldn't surprise me one bit if they belonged to or were adjacent to any of these groups.
Which Languishites are they?
Quote from: derspiess on April 05, 2019, 08:27:58 AM
I didn't know "incel" was a thing until about a month ago. Can't get my mind around why someone would voluntarily adopt that label, let alone turn it into a movement of some sort. Maybe put that time & energy into correcting your situation?
Is it a real thing?
I assumed it was some tiny little fringe thing that is so deliciously terrible it has been latched onto an radically exaggerated because who doesn't want to believe there are people ever more pathetic than themselves?
Quote from: Valmy on April 05, 2019, 10:20:24 AM
I mean maybe things are different at your church but I would rather people go to church because they want to be religious and spiritual not because they want to get laid.
Less get laid, but I do note there seems an increasing trend for people going to church to be more motivated by community et al than actual belief. I can see the appeal of it, if you move to a small village then going to church just seems logical.
A related example I've an Indian friend here who is utterly irreligious, but he goes to temple nonetheless as its a place to hang out and mix with other Indians.
I used to know several Chinese people who didn't believe in anything religious, but went to church anyway as it was a good way to get involved in traditional British life that didn't involve drinking or any of that sort of thing, practice their English, etc...- preying on foreign students with a promise of free English classes is a mature recruitment driver from some churches.
Quote from: alfred russel on April 02, 2019, 03:22:16 PM
You fight fire with fire. So maybe you fight an old guy with a really old guy? The old woman thing didn't work last time.
If the Democrats want to nominate a Trump-type, maybe they can get Tom Dundon to run.
Quote from: Barrister on April 05, 2019, 10:18:54 AM
Quote from: Valmy on April 05, 2019, 10:04:50 AM
Or, you know, any sort of community or social group that is not celebrating and entrenching failure.
Popular culture is great at entertaining, very bad at giving dating and relationship advice.
I suppose, but I think there's probably something particularly special about going to a church in this context.
But anyways, the article wasn't hard to find if you're curious:
https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2018/05/28/incel-advice-start-going-to-church/
Ok so this has been torturing me ever since you posted this and I just have to get it out:
I post hard (he posts hard) every day of the week
on that incel reddit
At the end (at the end of the day)
No ones posts get more upvoted than my own
But now I read
the national review
One day (someday) I'm going to church, Lord!
Find me somebody to fuck
find me somebody to fuck
find me somebody to fuck
Sanders, Biden, Warren and Buttigieg in double digits
EDIT: Didn't realize this was only for Mass.
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Bad news for Warren.
Joe Biden is the last, best hope.
Quote from: Savonarola on April 02, 2019, 03:22:28 PM
Anyhow I voted Biden; the Biden-Trump debates will become the stuff of legend. Not "Legend" in the sense of Kennedy-Nixon or Lincoln-Douglas; but instead like the aged Beowulf and the dragon. In the upcoming dark ages bards will sing songs of the contest in their liege's mead hall.
Unless Schultz does run, in which case Bloomberg is the best possible choice.
After last night's Democrat Debate I'm reconsidering; a de Blasio-Trump debate would also be amazing. They're White! They're Male! and boy howdy are they ANGRY!
I think his campaign bid is pretty but no question he successfully executed on his strategy last night.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 27, 2019, 12:02:56 PM
I think his campaign bid is pretty but no question he successfully executed on his strategy last night.
Auto correct strikes again :D
It's an aesthetically pleasing campaign, no doubt about it.
I really like Pete Buttigieg. He is almost certainly too young, but could you imagine him in a debate with Trump? He would wipe the floor with him.
Quote from: Berkut on June 28, 2019, 12:41:40 PM
I really like Pete Buttigieg.
Same. And I think he is the candidate most likely to get GOP voters to abandon party lines.
Mayor Pete seems like a good dude, too. He's a veteran, a Christian, white, male, and not bonkers socialist, either. Also in a happy marriage! The Religious Right should be happy with him!
Quote from: Habbaku on June 28, 2019, 01:33:45 PM
Mayor Pete seems like a good dude, too. He's a veteran, a Christian, white, male, and not bonkers socialist, either. Also in a happy marriage! The Religious Right should be happy with him!
No they can sympathise with somebody who TALKS about those morals, but then ignores them in practice, like they do.
I don't yet have a top pick for nominee, but Bernie Sanders is no longer my bottom pick. Wizard-lady is now my bottom pick.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 28, 2019, 03:20:47 PM
I don't yet have a top pick for nominee, but Bernie Sanders is no longer my bottom pick. Wizard-lady is now my bottom pick.
You wish to pinch the bottom of a female wizard? :hmm:
Quote from: Habbaku on June 28, 2019, 01:33:45 PM
Mayor Pete seems like a good dude, too. He's a veteran, a Christian, white, male, and not bonkers socialist, either. Also in a happy marriage! The Religious Right should be happy with him!
I don't know. While admirable that he admitted his weakness, I'm not sure I feel comforted on his handling of minority and police matters in South Bend. I'm also not all that comfortable, though I understand why, with his frequent mentions to his faith.