Former CIA and NSA employee source of intelligence leaks

[Viking]

So, you are not worry that Obama made the capability of intercepting the bad guys conference calls public, instead of keeping it a secret to continue to exploit the source?

No, on this topic I am not the manifestation of "worry". This information seems to have been leaked. We are democracies, this is why we will win in the end, our ideas and values are better. In democracies people leak for good and bad reasons. Obama's supporters probably like it since is shows how cool and hip him and his people are, replete with superhero references. Obamas opponents are probably grumbling both because of the leak, the fact that they weren't in power to leak and the fact that they can't accuse him of wagging the dog.

Can you imagine how much we could have exploited all the intel captured at OBL's hide if he had kept silence about the attack?

I'm pretty sure Al-Qaeda knew something fishy was up when the US closed all the embassies they were planning on attacking and I'm pretty sure somebody suggested that the NSA was listening to their conference calls (thank you Snowden)

And why would the President mention SEAL 6 by name?

Whatever, man.

Because he, like all other politicians, uses other people to his advantage. Plus, America needed to know who their new heroes were.

[frunk]

So, you are not worry that Obama made the capability of intercepting the bad guys conference calls public, instead of keeping it a secret to continue to exploit the source?

Can you imagine how much we could have exploited all the intel captured at OBL's hide if he had kept silence about the attack?

And why would the President mention SEAL 6 by name?

Whatever, man.

You are assuming that Obama leaked that information, and that the intelligence gathering on the conference call was due to signal intercept.  It's also possible that there's a mole, and they are using the signal intercept threat as a cover while still reacting to the call.

Keeping the OBL assassination secret would have gained very little.  OBL's allies would have known anyway, no way you could keep it from them.

Meh, it's not like SEAL team's existence is secret.

[Admiral Yi]

Who cares what she's reading.

Anyone who needs a narrative to really plumb the depths of sexual attraction.

[Bluebook]

He was put in solitary Timmy.

Or are you referring to his food insecurity?

Didnt the judge take time off his future punishment because he was treated wrong? That sounds like an admission of sorts.

[Bluebook]

Note 1: FU Snowden, Fuck you for distracting us about metadata when the NSA is listening in on conference calls
Note 2: Kudos to the NSA for listening to this specific conference call, your quota of permitted fuckups just went up a few notches
Note 3: Apparently the NSA prefer DC to Marvel

1. They are listening in on all calls. So yeah, they get those conference calls too.

2. Yeah, kudos to the NSA for listening in on all telephone and internet traffic passing through US/European/whatever servers.

What could possibly go wrong with a government agency collecting all that information about all their and other nations citizens.

[Razgovory]

Yeah, except they aren't "listening in on everyone's calls".

[LaCroix]

Yeah, except they aren't "listening in on everyone's calls".

of course not. but there are a number of posters here who read 1984 when they were younger and had its (silly) influence captivate them a bit more than it should have*

*excluding those born or living under authoritarian governments - which is a bit more understandable

[Bluebook]

Yeah, except they aren't "listening in on everyone's calls".

No, that would be impossible, that is why they are intercepting/downloading and storing the contents of all telephone and internet traffic. Then they can search, read and/or listen whenever they want.

[Viking]

Yeah, except they aren't "listening in on everyone's calls".

No, that would be impossible, that is why they are intercepting/downloading and storing the contents of all telephone and internet traffic. Then they can search, read and/or listen whenever they want.

Yeah, except they aren't doing that either.

They are storing the meta data for those calls. Not recording the contents of those calls. The alternative is to have the phone company do that for you - the problem with the phone company is that they aren't accountable to the voters and have a history of being sloppy when it comes to data storage. Right now in the EU Phone companies are being forced to store the info for up to a year and a half, the phone companies don't want to pay for infrastructure and personnel required to save that data, they want to give their customers cheaper minutes and their shareholder larger dividends.

The one concern that I could take seriously is the concern that the data is kept indefinitely. However, on the other hand, there are crimes with no statue of limitations.

I agree that the meta data is not private and is of use when combating crime. I agree that a centralized database for this information is better than a hodge podge of different corporate IT solutions to the problem both in terms of data integrity, data quality, ease and quickness of access and taking this data from faceless international megacongolmerates and putting it in the hands of the people.

[Zanza]

 

and putting it in the hands of the people.

[Viking]

and putting it in the hands of the people.

Yes, I live in a democracy.

[Zanza]

Yes, I live in a democracy.

Relevance? This is not about Norway.

[Viking]

Yes, I live in a democracy.

Relevance? This is not about Norway.

It is relevant, I was talking in general terms.

[Iormlund]

The one concern that I could take seriously is the concern that the data is kept indefinitely.

It will be kept indefinitely as soon as it is feasible. It's just too valuable a tool not to. In a few decades it will be possible to entirely reconstruct a person's life in a few queries. And that of anyone he or she holds dear.

It astounds me that you guys see nothing dangerous in grating a few people that ability.

[Viking]

The one concern that I could take seriously is the concern that the data is kept indefinitely.

It will be kept indefinitely as soon as it is feasible. It's just too valuable a tool not to. In a few decades it will be possible to entirely reconstruct a person's life in a few queries. And that of anyone he or she holds dear.

It astounds me that you guys see nothing dangerous in grating a few people that ability.

Google and Facebook can already do that without any real legal regulation. This is going to happen no matter what. We cannot prevent this.

The thing with the meta data they are collecting now they don't know if you order a pizza every other night, or you are calling your girlfriend who works at the pizza shop every second night.