Mancow gets waterboarded, lasts 6 seconds, and says waterboarding is torture

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alfred russel

#31
May 25, 2009, 09:17:06 PM
Quote from: grumbler on May 25, 2009, 03:16:21 PM
Hitchens set out to with the idea that waterboarding was torture, and, (surpise, surprise) discovered that it was.  Muller set out to prove it was not torture, and concluded that it was.  This case is thus far more interesting than that of Hitchens.


What is interesting is that iirc Hitchens lasted longer than Mancow, and was still so embarrassed that he didn't last longer he had them waterboard him again to see if he could get a better time. Maybe that shows Hitchens has some intellectual honesty, or maybe Mancow is just a pansy.
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dps

#32
May 25, 2009, 09:24:31 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 25, 2009, 01:35:28 PM
I figured being named Mancow would be torture enough.  If I had that name I'd never leave the house.

What kind of name would get you to get out of the house?

HVC

#33
May 25, 2009, 10:31:05 PM
Quote from: dps on May 25, 2009, 09:24:31 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 25, 2009, 01:35:28 PM
I figured being named Mancow would be torture enough.  If I had that name I'd never leave the house.

What kind of name would get you to get out of the house?
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#34
May 25, 2009, 10:39:53 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on May 25, 2009, 09:17:06 PM
What is interesting is that iirc Hitchens lasted longer than Mancow, and was still so embarrassed that he didn't last longer he had them waterboard him again to see if he could get a better time. Maybe that shows Hitchens has some intellectual honesty, or maybe Mancow is just a pansy.

:huh:

I saw the clip of Hitchens getting waterboarded and it looked like he made the safety signal immediately.
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#35
May 26, 2009, 01:44:59 AM
Quote from: HVC on May 25, 2009, 10:31:05 PM
Quote from: dps on May 25, 2009, 09:24:31 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 25, 2009, 01:35:28 PM
I figured being named Mancow would be torture enough.  If I had that name I'd never leave the house.

What kind of name would get you to get out of the house?
E. V. Icted

:lol:

grumbler

#36
May 26, 2009, 05:11:02 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on May 25, 2009, 09:17:06 PM
What is interesting is that iirc Hitchens lasted longer than Mancow, and was still so embarrassed that he didn't last longer he had them waterboard him again to see if he could get a better time.
Hitchens tells that story, but it means nothing.  Mullier wasn't trying to hold out, he was trying to show that the actual effect of waterboarding, when you inhale, isn't torture.  So this is apples and oranges.
QuoteMaybe that shows Hitchens has some intellectual honesty, or maybe Mancow is just a pansy.
:lol:  Talk about leaping to delusions!  This shows nothing about "intellectual honesty" nor who is a "pansy."  It shows that two people with diametrically opposing reasons for undergoing waterboarding agree that it is torture.  If it were to show anyone having "intellectual honesty," that would be Muller, who actually changed his mind based on the evidence.
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alfred russel

#37
May 26, 2009, 06:14:04 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on May 25, 2009, 10:39:53 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on May 25, 2009, 09:17:06 PM
What is interesting is that iirc Hitchens lasted longer than Mancow, and was still so embarrassed that he didn't last longer he had them waterboard him again to see if he could get a better time. Maybe that shows Hitchens has some intellectual honesty, or maybe Mancow is just a pansy.

:huh:

I saw the clip of Hitchens getting waterboarded and it looked like he made the safety signal immediately.

Supposedly he lasted 19 seconds. I didn't see the clip.
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alfred russel

#38
May 26, 2009, 06:40:25 AM
Quote from: grumbler on May 26, 2009, 05:11:02 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on May 25, 2009, 09:17:06 PM
What is interesting is that iirc Hitchens lasted longer than Mancow, and was still so embarrassed that he didn't last longer he had them waterboard him again to see if he could get a better time.
Hitchens tells that story, but it means nothing.  Mullier wasn't trying to hold out, he was trying to show that the actual effect of waterboarding, when you inhale, isn't torture.  So this is apples and oranges.
QuoteMaybe that shows Hitchens has some intellectual honesty, or maybe Mancow is just a pansy.
:lol:  Talk about leaping to delusions!  This shows nothing about "intellectual honesty" nor who is a "pansy."  It shows that two people with diametrically opposing reasons for undergoing waterboarding agree that it is torture.  If it were to show anyone having "intellectual honesty," that would be Muller, who actually changed his mind based on the evidence.

You are forgetting that the torture hierarchy is defined by how long you can endure the torture. So, for example,

Chinese Water Torture < waterboarding < disembowlment.

You can read all about it here: www.tortureexplainer.com.
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grumbler

#39
May 26, 2009, 08:17:12 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on May 26, 2009, 06:40:25 AM
You are forgetting that the torture hierarchy is defined by how long you can endure the torture. So, for example,

Chinese Water Torture < waterboarding < disembowlment.

You can read all about it here: www.tortureexplainer.com.
You are forgetting that I don't care about some bozo's concept of "the torture hierarchy," even supposing that there was an actual website at www.tortureexplainer.com.
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Josquius

#40
May 27, 2009, 06:16:40 AM
good one
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#41
May 27, 2009, 12:26:40 PM
Quote from: Fireblade on May 25, 2009, 08:01:12 PM
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Caliga

#42
May 27, 2009, 12:47:07 PM
Anyhoo, I don't know that we have enough data to draw any conclusions.  I propose waterboarding Mancow several hundred more times and average out the times he lasts.  :)
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AnchorClanker

#43
May 27, 2009, 01:41:06 PM
Richard Armitage was also waterboarded, when he was in the Navy, and he's also stated that it was torture.
... and... he said this a LONG time ago.   :lol:
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Berkut

#44
May 27, 2009, 01:42:19 PM
Is there really anyone claiming that waterboarding isn't torture anymore?
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