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Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on July 06, 2016, 10:23:06 AM
Based on what the DSS fills our heads with, we are led to believe that we would be prosecuted at the drop of a hat for doing what Clinton did.  At the very least we would be permanently barred from accessing classified information again.

Your GS-Whatevah ass, yeah.  But ES and EOP appointments receive exclusive member-only benefits under the TRUMP CARD® Privileges Program. 

Hilarious how you people simply can't figure that shit out.

jimmy olsen

Seems intent isn't everything

http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/05/2015-doj-prosecutes-a-naval-reservist-for-mishandling-classified-info-without-malicious-intent/

Quote2015: DOJ Prosecutes A Naval Reservist For Mishandling Classified Info WITHOUT MALICIOUS INTENT

During a Tuesday press conference, FBI Director James Comey recommended that Hillary Clinton not be charged for mishandling classified information while serving as secretary of state.

Comey argued that based on "the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent... and how similar situations have been handled in the past," "no reasonable prosecutor" would even consider bringing a case like Clinton's to court


Comey argued that based on "the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent... and how similar situations have been handled in the past," "no reasonable prosecutor" would even consider bringing a case like Clinton's to court.


Less than one year ago, Assistant US attorneys Jean M. Hobler and Lee S. Bickley successfully prosecuted Naval Reservist Brian Nishimura in a strikingly similar case.

Back in 2012, Nishimura admitted to handling "classified materials inappropriately" while deployed to Afghanistan from 2007-2008.

Nishimura served as a Regional Engineer and, according to the FBI's investigation into the incident, "had access to classified briefings and digital records that could only be retained and viewed on authorized government computers."

"Nishimura, however, caused the materials to be downloaded and stored on his personal, unclassified electronic devices and storage media," wrote the FBI. "He carried such classified materials on his unauthorized media when he traveled off-base in Afghanistan and, ultimately, carried those materials back to the United States at the end of his deployment."

Like Clinton, Nishimura admitted to destroying "a large quantity of classified materials."

Like Clinton, the FBI investigation into his actions "did not reveal evidence that Nishimura intended to distribute classified information to unauthorized personnel."

Unlike Clinton, he was sentenced to two years of probation, a $7,500 fine, and forfeiture of personal media containing classified materials.

He was also "ordered to surrender any currently held security clearance and to never again seek such a clearance."


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CountDeMoney

Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 06, 2016, 06:40:21 PM
"Nishimura, however, caused the materials to be downloaded and stored on his personal, unclassified electronic devices and storage media," wrote the FBI. "He carried such classified materials on his unauthorized media when he traveled off-base in Afghanistan and, ultimately, carried those materials back to the United States at the end of his deployment."


11B4V

Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 06, 2016, 06:40:21 PM
Seems intent isn't everything

http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/05/2015-doj-prosecutes-a-naval-reservist-for-mishandling-classified-info-without-malicious-intent/

Quote2015: DOJ Prosecutes A Naval Reservist For Mishandling Classified Info WITHOUT MALICIOUS INTENT

During a Tuesday press conference, FBI Director James Comey recommended that Hillary Clinton not be charged for mishandling classified information while serving as secretary of state.

Comey argued that based on "the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent... and how similar situations have been handled in the past," "no reasonable prosecutor" would even consider bringing a case like Clinton's to court


Comey argued that based on "the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent... and how similar situations have been handled in the past," "no reasonable prosecutor" would even consider bringing a case like Clinton's to court.


Less than one year ago, Assistant US attorneys Jean M. Hobler and Lee S. Bickley successfully prosecuted Naval Reservist Brian Nishimura in a strikingly similar case.

Back in 2012, Nishimura admitted to handling "classified materials inappropriately" while deployed to Afghanistan from 2007-2008.

Nishimura served as a Regional Engineer and, according to the FBI's investigation into the incident, "had access to classified briefings and digital records that could only be retained and viewed on authorized government computers."

"Nishimura, however, caused the materials to be downloaded and stored on his personal, unclassified electronic devices and storage media," wrote the FBI. "He carried such classified materials on his unauthorized media when he traveled off-base in Afghanistan and, ultimately, carried those materials back to the United States at the end of his deployment."

Like Clinton, Nishimura admitted to destroying "a large quantity of classified materials."

Like Clinton, the FBI investigation into his actions "did not reveal evidence that Nishimura intended to distribute classified information to unauthorized personnel."

Unlike Clinton, he was sentenced to two years of probation, a $7,500 fine, and forfeiture of personal media containing classified materials.

He was also "ordered to surrender any currently held security clearance and to never again seek such a clearance."


So, they decided to prosecute.
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 06, 2016, 06:40:21 PM
Seems intent isn't everything

http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/05/2015-doj-prosecutes-a-naval-reservist-for-mishandling-classified-info-without-malicious-intent/

Quote2015: DOJ Prosecutes A Naval Reservist For Mishandling Classified Info WITHOUT MALICIOUS INTENT

During a Tuesday press conference, FBI Director James Comey recommended that Hillary Clinton not be charged for mishandling classified information while serving as secretary of state.

Comey argued that based on "the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent... and how similar situations have been handled in the past," "no reasonable prosecutor" would even consider bringing a case like Clinton's to court


Comey argued that based on "the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent... and how similar situations have been handled in the past," "no reasonable prosecutor" would even consider bringing a case like Clinton's to court.


Less than one year ago, Assistant US attorneys Jean M. Hobler and Lee S. Bickley successfully prosecuted Naval Reservist Brian Nishimura in a strikingly similar case.

Back in 2012, Nishimura admitted to handling "classified materials inappropriately" while deployed to Afghanistan from 2007-2008.

Nishimura served as a Regional Engineer and, according to the FBI's investigation into the incident, "had access to classified briefings and digital records that could only be retained and viewed on authorized government computers."

"Nishimura, however, caused the materials to be downloaded and stored on his personal, unclassified electronic devices and storage media," wrote the FBI. "He carried such classified materials on his unauthorized media when he traveled off-base in Afghanistan and, ultimately, carried those materials back to the United States at the end of his deployment."

Like Clinton, Nishimura admitted to destroying "a large quantity of classified materials."

Like Clinton, the FBI investigation into his actions "did not reveal evidence that Nishimura intended to distribute classified information to unauthorized personnel."

Unlike Clinton, he was sentenced to two years of probation, a $7,500 fine, and forfeiture of personal media containing classified materials.

He was also "ordered to surrender any currently held security clearance and to never again seek such a clearance."




This would be compelling if you also showed how this was always or nearly always the case.

Otherwise, if someone can find just one example of a similar case where someone was not prosecuted, your single example of where someone WAS prosecuted is rather meaningless.
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11B4V

Doubt if Hillary did her annual Information Awareness Training.  :P
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"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".


CountDeMoney

Quote from: 11B4V on July 06, 2016, 07:43:57 PM
Doubt if Hillary did her annual Information Awareness Training.  :P

All of this could've been avoided if she had only printed out her certificate of completion.  INDICTMENT POWERS: ACTIVATE!

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Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 06, 2016, 06:40:21 PM
Seems intent isn't everything

http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/05/2015-doj-prosecutes-a-naval-reservist-for-mishandling-classified-info-without-malicious-intent/

Quote2015: DOJ Prosecutes A Naval Reservist For Mishandling Classified Info WITHOUT MALICIOUS INTENT

During a Tuesday press conference, FBI Director James Comey recommended that Hillary Clinton not be charged for mishandling classified information while serving as secretary of state.

Comey argued that based on "the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent... and how similar situations have been handled in the past," "no reasonable prosecutor" would even consider bringing a case like Clinton's to court


Comey argued that based on "the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent... and how similar situations have been handled in the past," "no reasonable prosecutor" would even consider bringing a case like Clinton's to court.


Less than one year ago, Assistant US attorneys Jean M. Hobler and Lee S. Bickley successfully prosecuted Naval Reservist Brian Nishimura in a strikingly similar case.

Back in 2012, Nishimura admitted to handling "classified materials inappropriately" while deployed to Afghanistan from 2007-2008.

Nishimura served as a Regional Engineer and, according to the FBI's investigation into the incident, "had access to classified briefings and digital records that could only be retained and viewed on authorized government computers."

"Nishimura, however, caused the materials to be downloaded and stored on his personal, unclassified electronic devices and storage media," wrote the FBI. "He carried such classified materials on his unauthorized media when he traveled off-base in Afghanistan and, ultimately, carried those materials back to the United States at the end of his deployment."

Like Clinton, Nishimura admitted to destroying "a large quantity of classified materials."

Like Clinton, the FBI investigation into his actions "did not reveal evidence that Nishimura intended to distribute classified information to unauthorized personnel."

Unlike Clinton, he was sentenced to two years of probation, a $7,500 fine, and forfeiture of personal media containing classified materials.

He was also "ordered to surrender any currently held security clearance and to never again seek such a clearance."




there is a huge difference between Clinton's case and this one.

Clinton used her own Blackberry to read&send material that could be classified as top secret.  As per Minsky's explanation, that is not automatically Top Secret stuff.

This sailor actually downloaded classiffied documents, officially designated as top secret on his own electronic device and not only carried it with him outside the base but he brought back the material with him that was classified to the US.

The risk is higher here, given that it's military classified info pertaining to the Afghanistan mission, not just a comment about the ambassador's wife's dress.
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Now Viper they worked very hard to dig up a case that proved that if a normal person had done something identical to Clinton they would have gotten hammered. Just because they failed to do that does not mean you should spoil their big moment.
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Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 06, 2016, 06:08:36 PM
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on July 06, 2016, 10:23:06 AM
Based on what the DSS fills our heads with, we are led to believe that we would be prosecuted at the drop of a hat for doing what Clinton did.  At the very least we would be permanently barred from accessing classified information again.

Your GS-Whatevah ass, yeah.  But ES and EOP appointments receive exclusive member-only benefits under the TRUMP CARD® Privileges Program. 

Hilarious how you people simply can't figure that shit out.

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"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

jimmy olsen

It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
--------------------------------------------
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Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 06, 2016, 04:22:31 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on July 06, 2016, 04:17:49 PM
And the sherriffs. Don't forget the sherriffs.

Also the Russians. Putin's man Manafort has his fingerprints all over this operation.  :bowler:

What's this about the sheriffs?

Re trump's recent tweet of an image floating around white supremacist media showing a star of David with some comments about corruption next to Hillary, all in front of a background of $$$.  Trump said it was a "sherriff star"

And the next day he tweeted a picture of a similar looking star on a Disney Frozen book  :lol: :lol: :lol:
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