2016 elections - because it's never too early

[Martinus]

I gotta say I am surprised by Bernie being so disliked here. He was clearly the superior candidate to both Trump and Clinton.

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[Maximus]

I don't see how that's true at all. I think most candidates post-Eisenhower are less moderate than historical candidates in the US.

Very true. Eisenhower and T Roosevelt are probably who he is closest to policy-wise.

[derspiess]

Bullshit. These are human beings running these parties. They have relationships, loyalty and personal vested interest. It isn't any different from any other human organization. They are not cyborgs.

A Democrat who "never did any of those things" probably should not expect a bunch of people to throw their support behind them rather than Democrats who had done those things and they had personal relationships built up over years or decades with - that is just foolish.

It isn't written in stone, of course. Obama proved that in 2008 when he snatched it away from Clinton the first time. All that time and work and money didn't get the nomination for Clinton in 2008 in the face of a charismatic, smart, young black guy. Shrug.

So she made sure that would not happen again, and she had the support of the DNC to do that, because she did in fact have that loyalty and commitment.

I agree that this was a terrible error on the part of the DNC, but it is a perfectly understandable, probably even inevitable, error.

On the other hand, the RNC nominated a human nightmare who isn't really a Republican either, against just about everything the Party could do to stop him, and nobody seems to be bitching about that. I guess the bar for behavior from the GOP is now so low that nobody even expects anything based on any kind of principal or ethic from them anymore.

A Democrat who "never did any of those things" probably should not expect a bunch of people to throw their support behind them rather than Democrats who had done those things and they had personal relationships built up over years or decades with - that is just foolish.

It isn't written in stone, of course. Obama proved that in 2008 when he snatched it away from Clinton the first time. All that time and work and money didn't get the nomination for Clinton in 2008 in the face of a charismatic, smart, young black guy. Shrug.

So she made sure that would not happen again, and she had the support of the DNC to do that, because she did in fact have that loyalty and commitment.

I agree that this was a terrible error on the part of the DNC, but it is a perfectly understandable, probably even inevitable, error.
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Okay, so we're not that far apart, then.  Good enough

[The Minsky Moment]

I still find the idea that Bernie was some kind of dangerous extremist pretty laughable, but hey, America.

At the end of the day, he lost the primary, and by a quite comfortable margin so I don't think hypotetical foul play made a difference.

A dangerous extremist?  No
But his plan was to add on a lot of big new spending commitments without any mechanism to raise the revenue to fund them.  Advocating single payer (IMO) a good idea but arguing that it plus free college tuition  while at the same time saying it could all be paid for with higher taxes on "millionaires" is intellectually dishonest.

[Grey Fox]

He planned to raise taxes by 2.5% across all brackets & create new brackets for income.

[Valmy]

He planned to raise taxes by 2.5% across all brackets & create new brackets for income.

Which was shown to be insufficient. Granted less insufficient than Trump and Cruz's tax plans and policies.

[Grey Fox]

He planned to raise taxes by 2.5% across all brackets & create new brackets for income.

Which was shown to be insufficient. Granted less insufficient than Trump and Cruz's tax plans and policies.

There is an easy fix.

[Valmy]

He planned to raise taxes by 2.5% across all brackets & create new brackets for income.

Which was shown to be insufficient. Granted less insufficient than Trump and Cruz's tax plans and policies.

There is an easy fix.

True. But we elected Trump anyway.

[Grey Fox]

He planned to raise taxes by 2.5% across all brackets & create new brackets for income.

Which was shown to be insufficient. Granted less insufficient than Trump and Cruz's tax plans and policies.

There is an easy fix.

True. But we elected Trump anyway.

[Syt]

With Clinton winning the popular vote cleanly but losing the election, a German paper speculated that the demographic changes will only exacerbate this in the future, because the groups that vote overwhelmingly Democrat grow mostly in states that the Dems carry, anyways.

[Valmy]

Texas, Georgia, and Arizona are states that Democrats usually carry?

[Admiral Yi]

With Clinton winning the popular vote cleanly but losing the election, a German paper speculated that the demographic changes will only exacerbate this in the future, because the groups that vote overwhelmingly Democrat grow mostly in states that the Dems carry, anyways.

That's not what I've read.  GOP strongholds like Texas and Arizona are set to turn majority Hispanic.

[Habbaku]

With Clinton winning the popular vote cleanly but losing the election, a German paper speculated that the demographic changes will only exacerbate this in the future, because the groups that vote overwhelmingly Democrat grow mostly in states that the Dems carry, anyways.

So those states should see a growth in Electoral College votes and representation come the new Census...

[Admiral Yi]

When will Marty go through his Hillary stage I wonder.