2016 elections - because it's never too early

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mongers

Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 03, 2016, 06:01:40 PM
New polls

Economist C43 T40 J5 S3
CNN  C47 T42 J7 S2
CBS C45 T41 J8 S3

Taint 3.7 and rising.

Project Nov 8 Taint 9.45 .

"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"

jimmy olsen

It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
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Ed Anger

Quote from: mongers on October 03, 2016, 06:20:00 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 03, 2016, 06:01:40 PM
New polls

Economist C43 T40 J5 S3
CNN  C47 T42 J7 S2
CBS C45 T41 J8 S3

Taint 3.7 and rising.

Project Nov 8 Taint 9.45 .

Part of me hopes Trump wins and Tim is rounded up and sent to a work camp.
Stay Alive...Let the Man Drive

CountDeMoney

You know, Trump does nothing about the misogynist angle when all his female campaign megaphones are all fucking dingbats.

Ed Anger

Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 03, 2016, 06:32:07 PM
You know, Trump does nothing about the misogynist angle when all his female campaign megaphones are all fucking dingbats.

The worse dingbat is the black chick. She is stuck on stupid.
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Ed Anger on October 03, 2016, 06:34:05 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 03, 2016, 06:32:07 PM
You know, Trump does nothing about the misogynist angle when all his female campaign megaphones are all fucking dingbats.

The worse dingbat is the black chick. She is stuck on stupid.

I dunno;  she's bad, but stupid is stupid.  What falls out of Kellyanne Conway's mouth is positively stunning, especially since everybody from Bill Maher to Chuck Todd have known her for years and can't believe the shit she's saying.  :lol:

jimmy olsen

It's 2000 all over again

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-really-really-needs-to-win-florida/

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Trump Really, Really Needs To Win Florida

By Harry Enten

Filed under 2016 Election

For politics fans, it's easy to get caught up in fun Electoral College scenarios — ones in which small states make a big difference or in which the House of Representatives has to decide the election. The alternative — endlessly repeating that "Florida is important; Ohio is important" — can get tiresome. That said, Ohio is important, and Florida is super important.

Florida has a 19 percent chance of providing the decisive vote in the Electoral College according to our polls-only forecast. It's the most likely "tipping-point state," in FiveThirtyEight parlance. That's up from 16 percent just two weeks ago. There's only one other state with a better than 10 percent chance of casting the decisive electoral vote: Pennsylvania, at 12 percent.


Florida tends to be a crucial battleground state in presidential elections (more on this in a moment), but it's become even more pivotal in recent weeks in the race between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. Clinton has improved her position nationally and in Florida, but she's made a bit more progress in the Sunshine State, moving it closer to the national average. Clinton leads by about 3 percentage points nationally and by about 1 point in Florida. That's made it more plausible that Clinton could hold onto Florida while losing some light-blue states.

Let's say, for example, that on Election Day, Clinton underperforms with white voters without college degrees even more so than she is doing now. Her support would collapse in the Midwest, and her troubles in Maine would likely bleed over into New Hampshire. But Florida is more diverse, with one of the largest groups of Latino voters of any battleground state and a sizable African-American population. So, in this scenario, the nonwhite vote in Florida might allow Clinton to hold onto the state even if she were to lose Michigan, New Hampshire, Ohio and Wisconsin.

And that's a winning map:



If Clinton wins Florida, Michigan and New Hampshire, she can afford to lose Pennsylvania, where she's held a lead even as she's trailed Trump in next-door Ohio.

Indeed, winning Florida opens up so many electoral paths for Clinton that it's probably a must-win for Trump. If he loses Florida, Trump wins the presidency only 5 percent of the time according to our polls-only forecast. (Clinton, on the other hand, wins the election 33 percent of the time without a victory in Florida.) Considering that Clinton has led in every post-debate survey in Florida and has a small lead there in our polls-only forecast, you can understand why Clinton is currently a favorite to win the election.

Florida has two basic things going for it that make it so pivotal. The first, as I mentioned, is how closely the state mirrors the national vote. It's about 2 or 3 percentage points more Republican-leaning than the country at the moment. Nevada and Wisconsin are about as equally close to the national margin, and the only states closer are Colorado (the current tipping-point state according to our forecasts), New Hampshire and Pennsylvania. Considering that the election is a little more than a month away and the inherent error in any forecast, it's possible that the vote margin in Florida ends up as close or closer as in these other states.

The Tax-Returns Story May Eat Up Precious Time For Trump

The other factor that makes Florida important is its large population. None of the states listed in the previous paragraph besides Florida has more than 20 electoral votes. Florida has 29. It's possible, therefore, for a candidate to lose smaller swing states and make up for those losses by winning in Florida.

No single state guarantees victory. The notion of a "must-win" state tends to be overplayed — instead, the states tend to move in concert, and the winner of the national popular vote almost always wins in the Electoral College. But Florida is about as close to an all-important state as we're likely to see.

It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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CountDeMoney

Watching Hillary Clinton talk about LeBron James endorsing her is like listening to my Mom talking about basketball.  :bleeding:

jimmy olsen

It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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DGuller

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on October 03, 2016, 04:08:25 PM
Generally my view re the Trump businesses - his bankruptcies, aggressive tax positions, dealings with Russians, Chinese labor, etc. etc. - is that it's a non-issue, doesn't really have anything to do with his problems as a candidate, which are legion and far more problematic.  OTOH I don't think Trump's business activities qualify him in any way for the presidency and to the extent he and his supporters nonetheless suggest that they do, it's more than fair game to poke holes and take shots.

Last businessman we elected President was Hoover, and that didn't work out all that well.  And Trump is not a fraction of the man - business and otherwise - that Hoover was.
I would think that Russian dealings can definitely be an issue.  Russia is a hostile nation to the country Trump wants to head.  Having secret shady dealings with potential enemies is most definitely a critical concern.

Ed Anger

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jimmy olsen

It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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jimmy olsen

The hits just keep coming.

http://www.newsweek.com/how-donald-trump-ditched-us-steel-workers-china-505717
QuoteHow Donald Trump Ditched U.S. Steel Workers in Favor of China

By Kurt Eichenwald   On 10/3/16 at 1:36 PM

Plenty of blue-collar workers believe that, as president, Donald Trump would be ready to fight off U.S. trade adversaries and reinvigorate the country's manufacturing industries through his commitment to the Rust Belt. What they likely don't know is that Trump has been stiffing American steel workers on his own construction projects for years, choosing to deprive untold millions of dollars from four key electoral swing states and instead directing it to China—the country whose trade practices have helped decimate the once-powerful industrial center of the United States.

A Newsweek investigation has found that in at least two of Trump's last three construction projects, Trump opted to purchase his steel and aluminum from Chinese manufacturers rather than United States corporations based in states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin. In other instances, he abandoned steel altogether, instead choosing the far-less-expensive option of buying concrete from various companies, including some linked to the Luchese and Genovese crime families. Trump has never been accused of engaging in any wrongdoing for his business dealings with those companies, but it's true that the Mafia has long controlled much of the concrete industry in New York.

Throughout his campaign, Trump has maintained that some controversial decisions for his companies amounted to nothing more than taking actions that were good for business, and were therefore reflections of his financial acumen. But, with the exception of one business that collapsed into multiple bankruptcies, Trump does not operate a public company; he has no fiduciary obligation to shareholders to obtain the highest returns he can. His decisions to turn away from American producers were not driven by legal obligations to investors, but simply resulted in higher profits for himself and his family.

Hope Hicks, a spokeswoman for the Trump campaign, did not return an email seeking comment.

Of Trump's last three construction projects, the first to use Chinese steel was Trump International Hotel Las Vegas, which opened in 2008. That the manufacturer is from China is not immediately evident; this fact is hidden within a chain of various corporate entities, including holding companies registered in the British Virgin Islands. That micro-state is a popular site for obscure off-shore entities that exist only on legal documents, limiting the potential liability of real businesses while obscuring their true owners.

According to government documents, the Chinese entity chosen by Trump to provide steel for the Las Vegas property is a holding company called Ossen Innovation Co. Ltd.–formerly known as Ultra Glory International Ltd. That British Virgin Islands entity in turn owns a second holding company called Ossen Innovation Materials Group Ltd., which, through a complex legal arrangement, indirectly owns Ossen Innovation Materials Co. Ltd., and through it, Ossen (Jiujiang) Steel Wire & Cable Co. Ltd., the operating business located in Shanghai. With such layers upon layers of corporate shells and divisions, builders like Trump can purchase their steel from less-expensive Chinese suppliers without the ultimate supplier being readily apparent. That steel was then used in the construction of the Las Vegas property.

When Americans like Trump purchase their steel through Ossen, they are providing financial benefits to an array of Chinese companies and even the government. For example, Ossen corporate records show Chinese banks provide all of its short-term financing in the form of loans that almost all mature after one year, and then are replaced by new loans; most Chinese banks are arms of the state, tightly controlled by the Chinese Communist Party, and provide financing to companies that are competitors to American manufacturers in other industries. (For example, the Chinese companies that manufacture suits and ties for the Donald Trump Signature Collection also obtain loans from mainland banks; Trump has said he has been forced to use the Chinese for his clothing lines because no American company makes those kinds of products anymore. That is not true—for example, all Brooks Brothers ties are made in New York, while about 85% of the company's suits are made in Massachusetts.)

Another recent Trump building that has used metal from China is Trump International Hotel and Tower in Chicago, which opened in 2009. For that project, Trump obtained loans from Deutsche Bank and three hedge funds that in turn used financing from George Soros, the business magnate who is the subject of many conservative conspiracy theories and is portrayed as a threat to the Republican Party.

The building required tons of aluminum and Trump elected not to purchase the metal from Alcoa or any other similar American producer, but instead turn to a subsidiary of a Chinese aluminum manufacturer. Because American businesses have been turning to cheaper aluminum from overseas, the industry is collapsing. For example, in just the last two years, more than half of the country's aluminum smelters in states like Ohio, West Virginia and Texas have closed as a result of being undercut on price by competition from overseas.

Trump purchased the aluminum used in the Chicago project for what is called the "curtain wall"—the glass and metal exterior designed to save energy. The wall is made with 11,500 panels of thermal pane glass encased in aluminum. Each of the panels is 6 feet, 3 inches, meaning they used 207,000 feet of aluminum; the precise amount of tonnage could not be determined. However, assuming an admittedly light weight of a pound per foot, American companies lost out on more than $350 million in sales.

For the Chicago project, tracing the metal back to China is once again a difficult process. To construct the exterior panels, Trump hired an entity called Permasteelisa Cladding Technologies Ltd., which is based in Connecticut. That company, in turn, is a division of Permasteelisa North America Corp., which, despite its name, has been identified by the American government as an importer of steel, aluminum and other metals from its affiliated companies, Permasteelisa South China Factory and Permasteelisa Hong Kong Limited.

During the time of the Trump Chicago construction, according to documents filed with the United States Court of International Trade by the Department of Justice and the Department of Commerce, Permasteelisa was dumping aluminum used in curtain walls, meaning it was using predatory pricing to sell the products below the cost of production or the amount charged in China. The beneficiaries of trade dumping are users of the material, like Trump, who save significant sums of money on construction, thus increasing their profits. The losers are the American competitors like aluminum producers who cannot possibly compete with foreign companies that are willing to take losses on the sales of their building materials in hopes of driving companies in the United States out of business.

Trump has not committed any crimes by purchasing his steel and aluminum from China, nor did he engage in wrongdoing by using Chinese textile factories to make his clothing lines. But, given the only beneficiaries of his decisions to go with cheaper Chinese metals for his construction project are Trump and his family, he is not someone who ever attempted to lead by example by only buying products made in America. He filled his bank accounts with millions of dollars that could have gone to blue-collar workers, many of whom now believe he is the man who will bring back the jobs that he secretly helped to destroy.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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jimmy olsen

Wow, I'm surprised it's anywhere close to that big.

http://www.vox.com/2016/10/3/13147520/trump-tax-loss
QuoteWhen stories deal with big numbers, it's sometimes hard to really get a perspective on what they mean. To that end, this little calculation from Alan Cole of the Tax Foundation really helps you understand the mind-blowing scale of Donald Trump's loss reported on his 1995 income taxes:

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Alan Cole  ‎@AlanMCole 


All Net Operating Losses in 1995: $49.331 billion.
NOL taken by @realDonaldTrump in 1995: $916 million.

Trump was 1.9% of the US total.

10:16 PM - 3 Oct 2016

There were 266 million Americans alive in 1995, so for a single person to represent 1.9 percent of this form of business losses is fairly extraordinary.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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Tonitrus

Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 03, 2016, 08:44:01 PM
In other instances, he abandoned steel altogether, instead choosing the far-less-expensive option of buying concrete from various companies, including some linked to the Luchese and Genovese crime families.[/b] Trump has never been accused of engaging in any wrongdoing for his business dealings with those companies, but it's true that the Mafia has long controlled much of the concrete industry in New York.

https://youtu.be/YlVDGmjz7eM?t=134