2016 elections - because it's never too early

[Admiral Yi]

Feel free to elaborate about Democratic voting shenanigans.  This is the first I've heard about it.

[Barrister]

Leaving aside the issue of voting shenanigans, much of Clinton's lead is from early voters, indicating that her support has been dropping, while Sanders' has been climbing.

This part is just anecdotal, but the Sanders GOTV efforts hit the point of being annoying, while I have yet to hear a peep from the Clinton side.

Finally, I believe there has been a positive correlation between high turnout and Sanders victories. Clinton has done better in states where the Democratic vote was actively suppressed.

"early voters" - has nothing to do with the fact that Clinton's lead is dropping, and everything to do with the fact that the South voted early and she owned the south (and black voters).  When it's come back to the east and midwest Sanders is doing better, but at best he only narrowly defeats Clinton (like in Indiana), which doesn't make up for the massive whole Sanders caused by being non-competitive in the south.

And link me on "voting shenanigans".

[The Brain]

Lead does that.

[Maximus]

Feel free to elaborate about Democratic voting shenanigans.  This is the first I've heard about it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/new-york-voter-problems-investigation_us_5717ec85e4b0479c59d6e761
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/riley-waggaman/its-not-just-arizona-elec_b_9550670.html
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/23/1505343/-Myths-About-Election-Irregularities-and-Suppression-in-Arizona
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/19/politics/new-york-primary-voter-problem-polls-sanders-de-blasio/
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=democratic+primary+irregularities

[Valmy]

Leaving aside the issue of voting shenanigans, much of Clinton's lead is from early voters, indicating that her support has been dropping, while Sanders' has been climbing.

Well yeah you guys are basically attacking her as a monster while Clinton has not really gone after Sanders since she needs his supporters in the general. But also he is doing well in states he is supposed to do well in.

inally, I believe there has been a positive correlation between high turnout and Sanders victories. Clinton has done better in states where the Democratic vote was actively suppressed.

That is certainly not true in Texas and we are the second largest state.  Any joe can just randomly walk up and vote in our Democratic Primary.

[Valmy]

Feel free to elaborate about Democratic voting shenanigans.  This is the first I've heard about it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/new-york-voter-problems-investigation_us_5717ec85e4b0479c59d6e761
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/riley-waggaman/its-not-just-arizona-elec_b_9550670.html
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/23/1505343/-Myths-About-Election-Irregularities-and-Suppression-in-Arizona
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/19/politics/new-york-primary-voter-problem-polls-sanders-de-blasio/
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=democratic+primary+irregularities

It makes no sense the Clinton would be evilly doing this behind the scenes and one of your websites even debunks this as impacting Democrats of all sorts, not just independents trying to support Bernie. Further even if every vote the New Yorkers incompetently bungled was for Bernie the numbers do not suggest that in Iowa, Massachussets, Arizona, or New York delegates that would have to be switched would impact much. She still has a pretty substantial lead.

Despite the Sanders camp trying to paint her as some power hungry monster she did drop out in 2008 for Obama, and let me remind you in that primary she got more votes. So why should she have gotten more evil in the past 8 years?

[Jacob]

Feel free to elaborate about Democratic voting shenanigans.  This is the first I've heard about it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/new-york-voter-problems-investigation_us_5717ec85e4b0479c59d6e761
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/riley-waggaman/its-not-just-arizona-elec_b_9550670.html
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/23/1505343/-Myths-About-Election-Irregularities-and-Suppression-in-Arizona
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/19/politics/new-york-primary-voter-problem-polls-sanders-de-blasio/
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=democratic+primary+irregularities

Yeah, and Sanders campaign has its share too:
http://qz.com/605968/bernie-sanders-campaign-is-not-quite-what-it-seems/
http://correctrecord.org/bernies-dirty-tricks-the-vermont-socialists-troubling-history-of-campaign-shenanigans/
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-02-16/foes-past-and-present-say-sanders-uses-same-tactics-he-criticizes

And here's some debunking of some of the Sanders allegations: http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/10/hillary-clinton-versus-bernie-sanders-debunking-some-election-fraud-allegations/

Mostly the allegations have been overenthusiastic supporters flying off half-cocked to justify to themselves why their candidate is falling behind. Like here: http://www.snopes.com/bernie-sanders-chicago-ballot/

[derspiess]

It makes no sense the Clinton would be evilly doing this behind the scenes

Of course not.  She's a saint.

[Maximus]

Well yeah you guys are basically attacking her as a monster while Clinton has not really gone after Sanders since she needs his supporters in the general.

"You guys"?

And the rest of that has certainly not been true in my experience.

Clinton would be a fine president and if she gets the nomination I will vote for her. To paraphrase someone, she the best candidate for the system we have, just not for the system we want. She's certainly very capable, as evidenced by the machine she has spent her career building. That's great if you like a machine-based system.

[Savonarola]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/new-york-voter-problems-investigation_us_5717ec85e4b0479c59d6e761

Michigan's system is clearly superior.  In Detroit they would have added 120,000 voters to the register. 

[Valmy]

Michigan's system is clearly superior.  In Detroit they would have added 120,000 voters to the register.

We will see if Illinois can pick up the gauntlet thrown.

[Barrister]

Michigan's system is clearly superior.  In Detroit they would have added 120,000 voters to the register.

We will see if Illinois can pick up the gauntlet thrown.

Illinois will easily hit 103% voter turnout.

[Valmy]

"You guys"?

You are right. Sorry typing quick here.

Clinton would be a fine president and if she gets the nomination I will vote for her. To paraphrase someone, she the best candidate for the system we have, just not for the system we want. She's certainly very capable, as evidenced by the machine she has spent her career building. That's great if you like a machine-based system.

And I will certainly suck it up and vote for Bernie if I have to. He may have ideas I loathe but at least he is an experienced statesmen.

[Valmy]

I will also say that the US tends towards machine politics but every once in a while there is a populist uprising which reforms the system. We have been in the middle of that uprising for awhile now, I wonder how far it will go. The Machine has scored a few important Supreme Court decisions but if popular momentum goes far enough we will see.

[Maximus]

Yeah, and Sanders campaign has its share too:
http://qz.com/605968/bernie-sanders-campaign-is-not-quite-what-it-seems/
http://correctrecord.org/bernies-dirty-tricks-the-vermont-socialists-troubling-history-of-campaign-shenanigans/

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http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-02-16/foes-past-and-present-say-sanders-uses-same-tactics-he-criticizes

And here's some debunking of some of the Sanders allegations: http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/10/hillary-clinton-versus-bernie-sanders-debunking-some-election-fraud-allegations/

doesn't even mention Arizona or New York

Mostly the allegations have been overenthusiastic supporters flying off half-cocked to justify to themselves why their candidate is falling behind. Like here: http://www.snopes.com/bernie-sanders-chicago-ballot/

I'm sure it's quite easy to find examples of people doing that.