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Bacon as deadly as cigarettes

Started by Josephus, October 24, 2015, 09:47:47 AM

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Richard Hakluyt

I've just been looking at the figures so that I can spin them. It seems that in England and Wales there were 500k deaths in 2012 of which 14k were from bowel cancer. Which makes for a 1 in 35 chance of dying of bowel cancer. Increasing the 14k by 18% increases that to a 1 in 30 chance. But, if you smoke enough, you will probably die of lung cancer or heart disease so can safely eat as many bacon sandwiches as you like.

Valmy

Quote from: Liep on October 26, 2015, 10:01:14 AM
So it's not really that bad, but for every daily intake 50g of processed/cured meat (bacon, sausages, salami, etc.) the chance of bowel cancer is increased by 18%.

I think I ate 300 g the other day :weep:

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Quote from: crazy canuck on October 26, 2015, 10:34:11 AM
If eating ham is that bad then the nation of Spain would have exceedingly high cancer rates.

Looks like we do have some rather high bowel cancer incidence rates: http://www.wcrf.org/int/cancer-facts-figures/data-specific-cancers/colorectal-cancer-statistics

crazy canuck

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ok, ham is bad.   

Btw, Mrs. CC made a wonderful peanut sauce and broccoli tofu dish last night.  I wonder if that was just coincidence.  :hmm:

Josquius

It's my right to kill myself. There's no such thing as passive baconing.
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Hamilcar

Awful, awful reporting. Ugh.

The statistical significance of increased cancer risk due to eating processed meat is now high. The actual increase in the odds of you getting cancer from eating bacon are low. Quote: http://www.buzzfeed.com/tomchivers/bacon-and-sausages-do-cause-cancer-says-the-who

QuoteTaken crudely, the IARC's report suggests that eating 50g of bacon every day would raise your risk from 64 in 100,000 to 72 in 100,000, or from 0.064% to 0.072%. Over a lifetime, your risk is about 5%, according to the NHS; eating 50g of processed meat a day will raise that to about 6%.

Smoking on the other hand raises your cancer risk a LOT:

QuoteFor comparison, research on smoking and cancer found that men who smoked 25 cigarettes a day were 24 times higher risk of developing lung cancer, or a 2,400% increase.

PJL

So basically if you ate 9.6kg of bacon a day you be as likely to get cancer as smoking 25 cigarettes (assuming there was a linear relationship between the amount ate / smokes and the probability of getting cancer).

Or to put it another way, smoking 1 cigarette a day is still 7.68 times more likely than eating 50g of bacon a day for causing cancer. 

DGuller

Quote from: Hamilcar on October 26, 2015, 02:07:59 PM
Awful, awful reporting. Ugh.

The statistical significance of increased cancer risk due to eating processed meat is now high. The actual increase in the odds of you getting cancer from eating bacon are low. Quote: http://www.buzzfeed.com/tomchivers/bacon-and-sausages-do-cause-cancer-says-the-who

QuoteTaken crudely, the IARC's report suggests that eating 50g of bacon every day would raise your risk from 64 in 100,000 to 72 in 100,000, or from 0.064% to 0.072%. Over a lifetime, your risk is about 5%, according to the NHS; eating 50g of processed meat a day will raise that to about 6%.

Smoking on the other hand raises your cancer risk a LOT:

QuoteFor comparison, research on smoking and cancer found that men who smoked 25 cigarettes a day were 24 times higher risk of developing lung cancer, or a 2,400% increase.
Is it awful reporting, or awful use of the findings?  If you believe the first article, bacon will be put in the same category as smoking by WHO.  If that is accurate, then the shame is on WHO for not distinguishing between statistical significance and practical significance.

Hamilcar

Quote from: DGuller on October 26, 2015, 02:29:43 PM
Is it awful reporting, or awful use of the findings?  If you believe the first article, bacon will be put in the same category as smoking by WHO.  If that is accurate, then the shame is on WHO for not distinguishing between statistical significance and practical significance.

Bit of both. Seems the WHO may have ulterior motives. It's fine to say that excess meat consumption is bad for the planet and for animal welfare, but don't try and scare me off with a mild increase in cancer risk.

crazy canuck

Here is some good reporting to the rescue.  From the Globe and Mail.

QuoteBy now, you've probably seen the horrific headlines warning that bacon – bacon! – causes cancer. So do hot dogs, sausages, corned beef, sliced ham and beef jerky.

Processed meats are lethal, just like tobacco and asbestos, according to the august International Agency for Research on Cancer. In fact, all red meat – beef, pork, lamb – is also "probably" carcinogenic.


But let's delve a little deeper than the alarmist headlines, starting with what the IARC said exactly.

In the monograph, published in the journal Lancet Oncology, a panel of international experts reviewed more than 800 studies examining the link between meat consumption and cancer.

It concluded that eating more than 50 grams of processed meat daily (about two slices of bacon) increases your risk of colorectal cancer by 17 per cent. Similarly, eating more than 100 grams of red meat daily (roughly a four-ounce steak) increases the risk by 18 per cent.

Bear in mind that those are relative risks, and your chance of developing colorectal cancer is already fairly low.

Based on these estimates, about 66 in every 1,000 people who eat a lot of red meat or processed meat will develop colorectal cancer in their lifetime; by comparison, 56 of every 1,000 who eat very little meat, processed or otherwise, will develop colorectal cancer.

Saying that processed meat is as risky as tobacco or asbestos is highly misleading too. To understand why news stories would say so, you have to understand the byzantine way the IARC functions.

The expert group does hazard identification, not risk assessment. Practically, that means they determine, yes or no, whether something may cause cancer, but not how potent it is at a causing cancer.

Since 1971, the IARC has reviewed 982 products, substances and exposures. They found every one of them – from plutonium to sunshine, from cellphones to sawdust – posed a theoretical risk of cancer (with one exception: yoga pants).

Each substance is also classified according to its potential hazard. Processed meat has been placed in Group 1– "carcinogenic to humans" – along with things such as plutonium, asbestos and tobacco. Red meat is in Group 2A – "probably carcinogenic to humans" – along with alcohol, coffee and sunburn.

It's important to remember, however, that not every exposure to a potential carcinogen will cause cancer: Frequency, intensity and potency matter.

The more you smoke, the more likely you are to get lung cancer, and the more processed meat you eat, the more likely you are to develop colorectal cancer – but the danger is orders of magnitude different.

Worldwide, smoking is associated with about one million cancer deaths annually, and processed meats about 34,000 deaths. Asbestos kills more than 100,000 annually and alcohol causes about 600,000 cancer deaths a year.

Meat, it also needs to be said, has some benefits. It provides nutrition/calories that people need to live, and some essential nutrients such as iron, zinc and vitamin B12.

This is not to suggest that you can't get that nutrition from a diet that does not include meat. Of course you can.

What's interesting, though, is that while there is evidence that eating meat increases the risk of cancer, there is no strong evidence that eschewing meat reduces the risk.

In fact, teasing out which foods do or do not raise or lower cancer risk is incredibly difficult. Those studies you see every week claiming that various substances – blueberries, fish oil, raspberry ketones, or whatever – will magically protect you from cancer have little credence.

At the same time, we have to be careful to also take with a grain of salt the meat industry claims that there is no direct cause-and-effect link between meat (or processed meat) consumption and cancer.

That may be technically true, but there is good, strong evidence of an association, that the more processed meat and red meat you eat, the unhealthier it is. Because, aside from cancer, there is heart disease.

So what's the bottom line?

If you're going to eat meat, it is best to avoid the processed stuff that is smoked, salted, cured and otherwise modified. And, if you're going to eat meat, do so in moderation – as the Canadian Cancer Society recommends, no more than three times a week.

That being said, the occasional indulgence of a BLT, a Schwartz's smoked meat sandwich or a rack of ribs on the barbecue is not going to make a heck of a lot of difference to your risk of developing cancer.

viper37

Quote from: Hamilcar on October 26, 2015, 02:34:12 PM
is bad for the planet and for animal welfare,
I don't know... does a cow really care if she's eaten by a pack of wolves rather than humans??
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Quote from: viper37 on October 26, 2015, 03:14:13 PM
Quote from: Hamilcar on October 26, 2015, 02:34:12 PM
is bad for the planet and for animal welfare,
I don't know... does a cow really care if she's eaten by a pack of wolves rather than humans??
So you're saying that humans should hold themselves to the same standards as the wolves?  :rolleyes:

Josquius

Quote from: viper37 on October 26, 2015, 03:14:13 PM
Quote from: Hamilcar on October 26, 2015, 02:34:12 PM
is bad for the planet and for animal welfare,
I don't know... does a cow really care if she's eaten by a pack of wolves rather than humans??
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Fate

So processed meats, smoking, and > 4 drinks of alcohol daily all individually increase your risk of colon cancer by about 20%.

You can lower your lifetime risk of colon cancer by 50% by taking aspirin on a regular basis.

So keep a 1 aspirin to 2 pieces of bacon ratio in your diet, and it'll all balance out.  :P