Did the Soviet Union ever have a realisitic chance of winning the Cold War

Started by Razgovory, April 15, 2013, 04:59:05 AM

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Was there ever a realistic chance for the Soviet Union to have become the dominate superpower after WWII?  Speculate and post!
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I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

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Not really. They could have strangled China in the cradle back in '69 though and still be in second place.
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Barrister

You could maybe make the argument that communism could win the cold war with communist parties wining elections in western europe after the war, but the USSR by itself did not have the population or resources to be dominate the globe.
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Valmy

The problem with this scenario is it requires something that was not true to be true: that Communism, at least the USSR version, would have to work as an economic and political system longterm.  That problem was just not going to be overcome.
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Quote from: Valmy on April 15, 2013, 09:20:14 AM
The problem with this scenario is it requires something that was not true to be true: that Communism, at least the USSR version, would have to work as an economic and political system longterm.  That problem was just not going to be overcome.

Disagree.  Communism worked well enough in the short term (not well, but well enough) that other considerations could overwhelm the long-term advantage of free market democracy.
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Zanza

I guess they could not have won it outright as the USA was and is too strong and stable, but I don't think them losing it was not the only possible outcome. If they had reformed along the lines of China, the Soviet Union could still be around and be a superpower. They would inevitably have lost their grip on Eastern Europe though, so their power would decline, but they'd still be ahead of everybody but the USA and now China.

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Quote from: Zanza on April 15, 2013, 09:48:02 AM
I guess they could not have won it outright as the USA was and is too strong and stable, but I don't think them losing it was not the only possible outcome. If they had reformed along the lines of China, the Soviet Union could still be around and be a superpower. They would inevitably have lost their grip on Eastern Europe though, so their power would decline, but they'd still be ahead of everybody but the USA and now China.

Is that possible?  It seemed the economic dogma was far more important to the Russians than it was to the Chinese.  Besides what happened in China was hardly easy, reforming along those lines required the nearly miraculous career of Deng.  There was no comparable Russian figure.
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