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What's Wrong With the Term 'Person of Color'

Started by garbon, March 22, 2013, 08:52:11 AM

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Ideologue

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Josquius

#106
On the light/dark tanning thing and it being BS that it is racist (of course).
I recall one conversation I had a while ago with an (arse hole) African guy who was insistant that notions of black=evil, white=good were racist. Which is just stupid, it long predates Europeans having anything to do with black people.

Quote from: Valmy on March 22, 2013, 09:21:54 AM
Ok then.  19th-20th century.  Whatevs.  The point is the new term is not the old term.  'People of Color' is the new PC term unless it has been replaced and I was not informed.
How odd.
People of colour does sound very archaic to me. More so than coloured even.
Glad to see African American gone.
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ulmont

Quote from: garbon on March 22, 2013, 04:51:32 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 22, 2013, 04:44:24 PM
Quote from: garbon on March 22, 2013, 04:39:00 PM
That's pretty awful.

Eh I liked it.  If somebody only would consider being with a Latin guy, or whatever, it was to  know that in advance.

I mean sure it is good to weed out the racially challenged but then at the same time only helps to encourage said individuals.

OkCupid did a bit on this based on their data:
http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-race-affects-whether-people-write-you-back/

Ideologue

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Quote from: ulmont on March 22, 2013, 09:38:33 PM
Quote from: garbon on March 22, 2013, 04:51:32 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 22, 2013, 04:44:24 PM
Quote from: garbon on March 22, 2013, 04:39:00 PM
That's pretty awful.

Eh I liked it.  If somebody only would consider being with a Latin guy, or whatever, it was to  know that in advance.

I mean sure it is good to weed out the racially challenged but then at the same time only helps to encourage said individuals.

OkCupid did a bit on this based on their data:
http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-race-affects-whether-people-write-you-back/

QuoteWhite men get more responses. Whatever it is, white males just get more replies from almost every group. We were careful to preselect our data pool so that physical attractiveness (as measured by our site picture-rating utility) was roughly even across all the race/gender slices. For guys, we did likewise with height.

Sometimes I just don't, y'know, feel Hispanic.

QuoteIt's ironic that white guys are worst responders, because as we saw above they in turn get the most replies. That has apparently made them very self-absorbed.

Yeah, it's just like a traffic jam, when you're already late.  It's the good advice, that you just didn't take.
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CountDeMoney

QuoteWe were careful to preselect our data pool so that physical attractiveness (as measured by our site picture-rating utility) was roughly even across all the race/gender slices. For guys, we did likewise with height.

WTF MAN

Malthus

Quote from: ulmont on March 22, 2013, 09:38:33 PM
Quote from: garbon on March 22, 2013, 04:51:32 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 22, 2013, 04:44:24 PM
Quote from: garbon on March 22, 2013, 04:39:00 PM
That's pretty awful.

Eh I liked it.  If somebody only would consider being with a Latin guy, or whatever, it was to  know that in advance.

I mean sure it is good to weed out the racially challenged but then at the same time only helps to encourage said individuals.

OkCupid did a bit on this based on their data:
http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-race-affects-whether-people-write-you-back/

The data is interesting but they are conflating "attraction" with "racism". The fact that someone has a preference in sexual/romantic matters to a person of race X as opposed to race Y doesn't mean that they have a racist attitude. Hence the "schizophrenia" they observe, where people give non-racist answers overall to racially-loaded questions but in their behaviour demonstrate that they really prefer to date people of race X over Y.
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garbon

Quote from: Malthus on March 23, 2013, 12:14:40 PM
The data is interesting but they are conflating "attraction" with "racism". The fact that someone has a preference in sexual/romantic matters to a person of race X as opposed to race Y doesn't mean that they have a racist attitude. Hence the "schizophrenia" they observe, where people give non-racist answers overall to racially-loaded questions but in their behaviour demonstrate that they really prefer to date people of race X over Y.

To be clear as I think I'd brought it up.  I don't really have an issue if 99.9% of the time someone ends up with white dudes (or black ones or asian ones) but with the idea that one can say (or in this case select via some checkboxes) that one will never be interest in a person of race x.  I don't think that's accurate for most people and I don't really like encouraging such racialized conceptions.

Of course, I feel so acutely as someone who gets pre-assigned into various different racial categories by physical appearance.
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Quote from: garbon on March 23, 2013, 12:25:29 PM
Quote from: Malthus on March 23, 2013, 12:14:40 PM
The data is interesting but they are conflating "attraction" with "racism". The fact that someone has a preference in sexual/romantic matters to a person of race X as opposed to race Y doesn't mean that they have a racist attitude. Hence the "schizophrenia" they observe, where people give non-racist answers overall to racially-loaded questions but in their behaviour demonstrate that they really prefer to date people of race X over Y.

To be clear as I think I'd brought it up.  I don't really have an issue if 99.9% of the time someone ends up with white dudes (or black ones or asian ones) but with the idea that one can say (or in this case select via some checkboxes) that one will never be interest in a person of race x.  I don't think that's accurate for most people and I don't really like encouraging such racialized conceptions.

Of course, I feel so acutely as someone who gets pre-assigned into various different racial categories by physical appearance.

Naw, that's totally fair. Out and out ruling out race X just strikes me as odd. Even if in general someone prefers race Y over X, only a really hardcore fetishist would literally *never* find anyone of race X attractive. 
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

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CountDeMoney

Quote from: garbon on March 23, 2013, 12:25:29 PM
Of course, I feel so acutely as someone who gets pre-assigned into various different racial categories by physical appearance.

lol, you can never be pre-assigned, butterfly.

dps

Quote from: Malthus on March 23, 2013, 12:38:10 PM
For example, you may claim you don't prefer Blacks as a race, but how many guys would turn her down?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9MQOsKfzR-0/UTTT16Sum1I/AAAAAAAAGhU/sF88kOPe8UA/s1600/Yityish+Titi+Aynaw.jpg

Can't tell from that pic--it gives no idea how big her boobs are.

11B4V

Quote from: dps on March 23, 2013, 04:38:42 PM
Quote from: Malthus on March 23, 2013, 12:38:10 PM
For example, you may claim you don't prefer Blacks as a race, but how many guys would turn her down?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9MQOsKfzR-0/UTTT16Sum1I/AAAAAAAAGhU/sF88kOPe8UA/s1600/Yityish+Titi+Aynaw.jpg

Can't tell from that pic--it gives no idea how big her boobs are.

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