Is EU3 fun yet?

[Barrister]

I've never played Byzantines, but the challenge to me seems in keeping up with the West, and not being squashed by the first Western blob you run into.  Given the lack of Latin teach group and Latin units, that might become a big problem for you.

That is probably a good point.

There is a means of "westernizing" that basically involves me moving my sliders to innovative and centralized.  I'm starting to work on it but obviously it'll take a few decades.  The upside will be moving to the Latin tech group.

There obviously are some byzantine fanbois in Paradox to allow this to happen.  I don't think other Orthodox countries have that option...

[ulmont]

There obviously are some byzantine fanbois in Paradox to allow this to happen.  I don't think other Orthodox countries have that option...

You are: Wrong.  All countries in the chinese, indian, african, or new world tech groups can westernize to the muslim tech group; all countries in the muslim tech group can westernize to the eastern (orthodox) tech group; and all countries in the eastern (orthodox) tech group can westernize to the latin tech group.

You do need to have a latin-tech neighbor to have the option, and your army units stay in your original group (not a big deal until the late game; eastern cavalry is actually better than latin most of the game).

[Barrister]

Huh - you learn something every day.

[ulmont]

Huh - you learn something every day.

Yeah, here's an AAR where the player managed to damn near take over the world starting as the Iroquois (unfortunately, his photobucket account won't reset for a few days to make the pictures live again).
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=384744

[Crazy_Ivan80]

I've never played Byzantines, but the challenge to me seems in keeping up with the West, and not being squashed by the first Western blob you run into.  Given the lack of Latin teach group and Latin units, that might become a big problem for you.

indeed.

personally I use MIEUO (or somethig like that :p ) which makes the initial BYZ setup a bit harder (ottomans have more provinces). The fun with BYZ is of course trying to conquer the whole Roman Empire. SOmething I haven't succeeded in because I play so awfully slow :p

[Solmyr]

So if I were to start a game again, should I use MMP or SRI?

[Tamas]

So if I were to start a game again, should I use MMP or SRI?

SRI

[Grallon]

So if I were to start a game again, should I use MMP or SRI?

MMP2 of course.



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[Tamas]

So if I were to start a game again, should I use MMP or SRI?

MMP2 of course.



G.

Have you actually TRIED SRI?

[Drakken]

So if I were to start a game again, should I use MMP or SRI?

MMP2 of course.



G.

Have you actually TRIED SRI?

Last I remember, SRI is part of MMP2.

[Grallon]

Last I remember, SRI is part of MMP2.

Precisely.  Helius made a seperate mod during the long development time between MMG and MMP1.



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[Tamas]

So if I were to start a game again, should I use MMP or SRI?

MMP2 of course.



G.

Have you actually TRIED SRI?

Last I remember, SRI is part of MMP2.

Yes. SRI has all the good parts of MMP2 minus the deterministic crap.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

I'm cautiously optimistic about the new expansion.

This sounds a lot like a Magna Mundi you pay for.

I don't do Magna.

I can't resist anymore...

Neither does GM

[Solmyr]

Yes. SRI has all the good parts of MMP2 minus the deterministic crap.

Define "deterministic crap".

I don't mind determinism that ensures that Spain and Portugal colonize the New World on schedule, or that the HRE is always Catholic, or that Russia forms more often than not.

[Grallon]

Yes. SRI has all the good parts of MMP2 minus the deterministic crap.

What you call deterministic is in fact plausability.  Left on its own the AI des stupid shit so it needs to be guided.



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