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Started by Malthus, March 11, 2013, 12:47:30 PM

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crazy canuck

#15
March 11, 2013, 04:02:36 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 11, 2013, 03:29:17 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 11, 2013, 03:26:07 PM
If a country is giving its citizenship away for free they obviously don't value it that highly, and neither would I.

Your call, but I'd take my citizenship oath & whatnot pretty seriously, and would only choose a country I would be proud of and loyal to. 

QuoteBut it would be handy when visiting Europe. :)

Do your kids have dual citizenship?

Nope.

So let me get this staight, if you were offered free citizenship of Spain you would turn it down on principle?  Does this have something to do with the American desire to turn down free money?

MadImmortalMan

#16
March 11, 2013, 04:05:34 PM
Makes sense if you think of citizenship as an expression of loyalty rather than just a pragmatic asset.
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Valmy

#17
March 11, 2013, 04:08:32 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on March 11, 2013, 04:05:34 PM
Makes sense if you think of citizenship as an expression of loyalty rather than just a pragmatic asset.

Yeah I can see that.  I thought Spicey was implying some sort of conflict of interest.  Like Spain would demand BB spy on those wacky Canadians and their vile plots for them.
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#18
March 11, 2013, 04:12:36 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on March 11, 2013, 04:02:36 PM
So let me get this staight, if you were offered free citizenship of Spain you would turn it down on principle?

Correct.

QuoteDoes this have something to do with the American desire to turn down free money?

Not sure what you're referring to.
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#19
March 11, 2013, 04:14:42 PM
All that sweet Spanish dinero they're giving out.
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Valmy

#20
March 11, 2013, 04:24:32 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 11, 2013, 04:14:42 PM
All that sweet Spanish dinero they're giving out.

I presume he is saying that it gives you an asset you might use.  Like if you need to flee Canada and are under some delusion the EU does not have an extradition treaty.
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Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

alfred russel

#21
March 11, 2013, 05:15:37 PM
If the goal of immigration policy is to increase immigrants that have strong family backgrounds and are well educated, the pool of people that can trace their family history to 1500 probably has more of those qualities than the pool of those that can not.
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Malthus

#22
March 11, 2013, 05:27:26 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on March 11, 2013, 05:15:37 PM
If the goal of immigration policy is to increase immigrants that have strong family backgrounds and are well educated, the pool of people that can trace their family history to 1500 probably has more of those qualities than the pool of those that can not.

Either that ... or total scammers.  :D
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The Larch

#23
March 11, 2013, 05:33:38 PM
AFAIK there have been provisions in Spanish law to give the citizenship to descendants of sepharditic jews for a very long time, I don't know what's so special about this one to be featured in the media.  :huh:

For instance, a Spanish diplomat in Budapest in WWII used those provisions to give phony Spanish passports to thousands of jews there in order to allow them to flee the country. You can read about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81ngel_Sanz_Briz

Viking

#24
March 11, 2013, 05:35:09 PM
Why doesn't this apply to the morsicos who were expelled as well? I'm pretty sure this hasn't been thought through properly. Also, based on the reaction in israeli papers I saw a month ago, I don't think anybody is going to apply.
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#25
March 11, 2013, 05:48:28 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on March 11, 2013, 04:02:36 PM
So let me get this staight, if you were offered free citizenship of Spain you would turn it down on principle?  Does this have something to do with the American desire to turn down free money?

I'd do it.  What the hell.  Mediterranean coast looks gorgeous.

The Larch

#26
March 11, 2013, 05:51:47 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 11, 2013, 05:48:28 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on March 11, 2013, 04:02:36 PM
So let me get this staight, if you were offered free citizenship of Spain you would turn it down on principle?  Does this have something to do with the American desire to turn down free money?

I'd do it.  What the hell.  Mediterranean coast looks gorgeous.

You'd sweat too much in the summer, I think you'd like my neck of the woods better. ;)

CountDeMoney

#27
March 11, 2013, 05:55:50 PM
Quote from: The Larch on March 11, 2013, 05:51:47 PM
You'd sweat too much in the summer, I think you'd like my neck of the woods better. ;)

This is true.  I could get with all sorts of Spanish life.

Except for all the stupid blood feasts.  Tossing goats out of church steeples.  The hell is that. 

Tapas, yes.  Setting bulls' horns on fire and running them through the town church?  Fruity ass medieval fuckheads.

Ed Anger

#28
March 11, 2013, 05:57:57 PM
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The Larch

#29
March 11, 2013, 05:58:19 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 11, 2013, 05:55:50 PM
Quote from: The Larch on March 11, 2013, 05:51:47 PM
You'd sweat too much in the summer, I think you'd like my neck of the woods better. ;)

This is true.  I could get with all sorts of Spanish life.

Except for all the stupid blood feasts.  Tossing goats out of church steeples.  The hell is that. 

Tapas, yes.  Setting bulls' horns on fire and running them through the town church?  Fruity ass medieval fuckheads.

One more reason to get away from the Mediterranean coast and coming to the Atlantic.  :P
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