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Started by Iormlund, March 05, 2013, 05:04:50 PM

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garbon

Quote from: Valmy on March 06, 2013, 03:58:06 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 06, 2013, 03:52:47 PM
Chavez was a big anti-American, antisemitic dickhead who went out of his way to be a right real pisshead to Washington and whose bullshit foreign policy won't be missed, but that doesn't negate the reforms he made in attempting to return some equality to Venezuela's rich-poor imbalance.  I know that's a foreign concept here in the United States of Wall Street, but he actually improved a lot of impoverished lives. 

Americans just can't stand Latin American leaders that don't march lockstep with the US and look the anti-Communist part straight out of early 1980's Central Casting.  Pretty funny for a hemisphere we've pretty much ignored since Roosevelt, unless it's to topple a government or ignore right-wing death squads whacking herds of Jesuits and nuns.

My interpretation was that he was giving the poor lots of stuff because they were his support for his regime and ultimately his policies were unsustainable and would do nothing for the poor in the long term.  He was blowing his countriy's resources to pay off his peeps for his own personal power.  If I am wrong and things in Venezuela are better than good for Chavez.  I doubt it though nothing he did had not been tried before and shown to be a failure. 

I make an attempt to pay pretty close attention to Latin America, being in Texas I think it is a basic civic responsibility.  I think it is just fine for Latin American countries to piss on the US if they ultimately are doing good things for their people, I mean most of the time the US doesn't notice and what is good for Latin America is ultimately good for Texas.  I think Chavez got the attention because of the fact it was a major oil producing country, he was involved in the Columbian crap, and he had a natural ability for attention grabbing buffoonery.

Same here.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 06, 2013, 03:59:57 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 06, 2013, 03:52:47 PM

Americans just can't stand Latin American leaders that don't march lockstep with the US and look the anti-Communist part straight out of early 1980's Central Casting.

This is utter, undiluted bullshit.

Find a left-leaning Latin American head of state since 1945 we didn't try to assassinate, topple or support insurgents troops against covertly or overtly.  We like our Latin American despots right-wing, not left-wing.

C'mon, the School of the Americas wasn't just for narco-trafficking training.

Barrister

Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 06, 2013, 04:07:57 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 06, 2013, 03:59:57 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 06, 2013, 03:52:47 PM

Americans just can't stand Latin American leaders that don't march lockstep with the US and look the anti-Communist part straight out of early 1980's Central Casting.

This is utter, undiluted bullshit.

Find a left-leaning Latin American head of state since 1945 we didn't try to assassinate, topple or support insurgents troops against covertly or overtly.  We like our Latin American despots right-wing, not left-wing.

C'mon, the School of the Americas wasn't just for narco-trafficking training.

Lula / Dilma in Brazil.

Now give me something harder to answer.
Posts here are my own private opinions.  I do not speak for my employer.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Valmy on March 06, 2013, 03:58:06 PM
My interpretation was that he was giving the poor lots of stuff because they were his support for his regime and ultimately his policies were unsustainable and would do nothing for the poor in the long term.  He was blowing his countriy's resources to pay off his peeps for his own personal power.  If I am wrong and things in Venezuela are better than good for Chavez.  I doubt it though nothing he did had not been tried before and shown to be a failure.

Yes, socialist reforms and nationalization are always just a PR ruse just to appease the groundlings.

QuoteI make an attempt to pay pretty close attention to Latin America, being in Texas I think it is a basic civic responsibility.  I think it is just fine for Latin American countries to piss on the US if they ultimately are doing good things for their people, I mean most of the time the US doesn't notice and what is good for Latin America is ultimately good for Texas.  I think Chavez got the attention because of the fact it was a major oil producing country, he was involved in the Columbian crap, and he had a natural ability for attention grabbing buffoonery.

The only thing Texans are interested in are dead Mexicans.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Barrister on March 06, 2013, 04:11:35 PM
Now give me something harder to answer.

I wasn't fucking talking to you.

garbon

I'm surprised. I wouldn't have pegged DMoney for a Chavez supporter.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Admiral Yi

Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 06, 2013, 04:07:57 PM

Find a left-leaning Latin American head of state since 1945 we didn't try to assassinate, topple or support insurgents troops against covertly or overtly.  We like our Latin American despots right-wing, not left-wing.

C'mon, the School of the Americas wasn't just for narco-trafficking training.

The Kircheners, de Lula, that broad Beeb mentioned, that schmuck in Ecuador, that loser in Bolivia, Chavez.

Pure bullshit.  Pat Robertson is not "Americans."

Valmy

Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 06, 2013, 04:12:21 PM
Yes, socialist reforms and nationalization are always just a PR ruse just to appease the groundlings.

Not always just in this case....probably.

QuoteThe only thing Texans are interested in are dead Mexicans.

Hey I am pro-Mexican...except on Cinco de Mayo.  What a horrible holiday.  At least real Mexicans do not celebrate it.


Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Barrister

Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 06, 2013, 04:13:00 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 06, 2013, 04:11:35 PM
Now give me something harder to answer.

I wasn't fucking talking to you.

Raffael Correa has been left alone as well, despite being close buddies with Chavez.  Same with Evo Morales.

Socialists governed in Chile for about 20 years, from 1990 till 2010.

And I'm probably forgetting some of the smaller countries.
Posts here are my own private opinions.  I do not speak for my employer.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: garbon on March 06, 2013, 04:14:28 PM
I'm surprised. I wouldn't have pegged DMoney for a Chavez supporter.

I'm not.  Glad he's dead.  But I'm not going to blithely ignore or not acknowledge some of his reformations simply because I didn't like him, either.   
For a bunch of snot-nosed, over-educated fuckdicks that think they're up on current affairs, Languishites have a habit of doing just that.

Barrister

Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 06, 2013, 04:16:54 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 06, 2013, 04:07:57 PM

Find a left-leaning Latin American head of state since 1945 we didn't try to assassinate, topple or support insurgents troops against covertly or overtly.  We like our Latin American despots right-wing, not left-wing.

C'mon, the School of the Americas wasn't just for narco-trafficking training.

The Kircheners, de Lula, that broad Beeb mentioned, that schmuck in Ecuador, that loser in Bolivia, Chavez.

Pure bullshit.  Pat Robertson is not "Americans."

You should use google before answering, it makes you look like you know what you're talking about, and not stuck asking 'who is that schmuck in Ecuador..." :ph34r:
Posts here are my own private opinions.  I do not speak for my employer.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Barrister on March 06, 2013, 04:19:22 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 06, 2013, 04:13:00 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 06, 2013, 04:11:35 PM
Now give me something harder to answer.

I wasn't fucking talking to you.

Raffael Correa has been left alone as well, despite being close buddies with Chavez.  Same with Evo Morales.

Socialists governed in Chile for about 20 years, from 1990 till 2010.

And I'm probably forgetting some of the smaller countries.

I still wasn't fucking talking to you.

garbon

Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 06, 2013, 04:20:30 PM
Quote from: garbon on March 06, 2013, 04:14:28 PM
I'm surprised. I wouldn't have pegged DMoney for a Chavez supporter.

I'm not.  Glad he's dead.  But I'm not going to blithely ignore or not acknowledge some of his reformations simply because I didn't like him, either.   
For a bunch of snot-nosed, over-educated fuckdicks that think they're up on current affairs, Languishites have a habit of doing just that.

Oh so profound. Glad we have you here to point out that it is a nuanced situation. :thumbsup:
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

derspiess

Quote from: garbon on March 06, 2013, 04:14:28 PM
I'm surprised. I wouldn't have pegged DMoney for a Chavez supporter.

It follows his supposed love for Fidel.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall