Russia in Trouble this Year?

[Viking]

I mean, 1905 was overall a nice idea as it started a process of democratization, and even 1917 started out as a good idea, only going to shit later.

They were bloody and violent and generally bad.

Besides, Tsushima happened in 1905, and that was the most devastating naval defeat in history.

Unpossible, neither side had Dreadnoughts

[Valmy]

Not really. Transfer of wealth along blood lines is the anathema to socialist thinking. That's why there should be a 100% estate tax.

Socialist thinking is obviously based on the strategy of getting as much capital to flee to country as possible

[Ideologue]

Not really. Transfer of wealth along blood lines is the anathema to socialist thinking. That's why there should be a 100% estate tax.

Socialist thinking is obviously based on the strategy of getting as much capital to flee to country as possible

While you're wrong, in fairness, this oft-accepted critique of socialism does predate the advent of drones.

[Valmy]

While you're wrong, in fairness, this oft-accepted critique of socialism does predate the advent of drones.

[Zanza]

Every country in NATO that does not possess its own native deterrent, i.e. all but the UK and France, need to pony up the fair share of America's 1945-1991 defense budget for each citizen who's been alive since the beginning of that period, and transmit it directly to the U.S. Treasury.  HEY ZANZA YOU OWE ME AND BOB MCNAMARA MONEY

West Germany paid for the Allied troops stationed here. That was agreed as part of the termination of the occupation in 1954.

[Valmy]

West Germany paid for the Allied troops stationed here. That was agreed as part of the termination of the occupation in 1954.

Yeah both South Korea and Germany give us money for our troops hanging around IIRC.

[Ideologue]

Every country in NATO that does not possess its own native deterrent, i.e. all but the UK and France, need to pony up the fair share of America's 1945-1991 defense budget for each citizen who's been alive since the beginning of that period, and transmit it directly to the U.S. Treasury.  HEY ZANZA YOU OWE ME AND BOB MCNAMARA MONEY

West Germany paid for the Allied troops stationed here. That was agreed as part of the termination of the occupation in 1954.

Did you pay for the nuclear weapons stationed in Montana?

Actually, I did not know that.  That's cool, thanks, Germans.

[Syt]

I've talked to a number of (ex-)G.I.s that were stationed in Germany. The most common comment, "Man, I miss the food/beer."

[derspiess]

West Germany paid for the Allied troops stationed here. That was agreed as part of the termination of the occupation in 1954.

Yeah both South Korea and Germany give us money for our troops hanging around IIRC.

How much?

[Viking]

Every country in NATO that does not possess its own native deterrent, i.e. all but the UK and France, need to pony up the fair share of America's 1945-1991 defense budget for each citizen who's been alive since the beginning of that period, and transmit it directly to the U.S. Treasury.  HEY ZANZA YOU OWE ME AND BOB MCNAMARA MONEY

West Germany paid for the Allied troops stationed here. That was agreed as part of the termination of the occupation in 1954.

Did you pay for the nuclear weapons stationed in Montana?

Actually, I did not know that.  That's cool, thanks, Germans.

Iceland didn't pay for it's occupation troops btw.

As for the Silos in Kansas, Germany paid for them by not building their own nukes.

A Leopard Tank - Millions
A Nuclear Deterrent - Billions
The peace of mind you get from knowing the germans don't have nukes - Priceless

[derspiess]

I've talked to a number of (ex-)G.I.s that were stationed in Germany. The most common comment, "Man, I miss the food/beer."

Yep.  And women IIRC.  Funny thing is many of them go back to drinking crappy beer back here without realizing we have options as good as Germany these days.

[Neil]

I mean, 1905 was overall a nice idea as it started a process of democratization, and even 1917 started out as a good idea, only going to shit later.

They were bloody and violent and generally bad.

Besides, Tsushima happened in 1905, and that was the most devastating naval defeat in history.

Unpossible, neither side had Dreadnoughts

No battle of dreadnoughts was ever so decisive.  Come to think of it, no sea battle in the modern era was so decisive.

[Syt]

Yep, plenty of NATO mattresses. Some even became legit wives!

It bears to remember, though, that during the time the bulk of the soldiers were stationed here (esp. in the 80s) the $ was very strong vs. the DM, so soldiers could live very comfortably.

[Neil]

Iceland didn't pay for it's occupation troops btw.

Iceland couldn't have afforded them.

[Ideologue]

I mean, 1905 was overall a nice idea as it started a process of democratization, and even 1917 started out as a good idea, only going to shit later.

They were bloody and violent and generally bad.

Besides, Tsushima happened in 1905, and that was the most devastating naval defeat in history.

Unpossible, neither side had Dreadnoughts

No battle of dreadnoughts was ever so decisive.  Come to think of it, no sea battle in the modern era was so decisive.

Midway arguably.  There was not even an unrealistic hope of victory after that, even if Japan could pretend.  But only arguably.