AP: Technology destroying jobs faster than it's creating them.

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The Minsky Moment

Quote from: Neil on January 25, 2013, 01:43:52 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 25, 2013, 12:43:25 PM
... the imminent annhiliation of the entire legal profession by robots.
:mmm:

Now there's an idea I can get behind.

Remind me: what was Dick Nixon's job after he lost the 1960 election?

  :contract:
The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.
--Joan Robinson

Eddie Teach

Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 25, 2013, 03:12:29 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 25, 2013, 03:10:38 PM
Why starve when you just take the rich man's food?

Because the rich man's dependents are more heavily armed than you are.

In Brain's Brave Neofeudalist World, they're also severely outnumbered.
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Admiral Yi


The Brain

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 25, 2013, 03:44:54 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 25, 2013, 03:12:29 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 25, 2013, 03:10:38 PM
Why starve when you just take the rich man's food?

Because the rich man's dependents are more heavily armed than you are.

In Brain's Brave Neofeudalist World, they're also severely outnumbered.

In a scenario where the labor of the unskilled masses isn't worth anything significant the masses are unlikely to have significant fighting power compared to the other side.
Women want me. Men want to be with me.

Eddie Teach

The masses wouldn't be completely unskilled, there would be plenty of people in their ranks because of ideology, family connections, or simply their skills were made redundant. The haves might win the struggle, but they'd still be better off in a modern society where they share a portion of their wealth in exchange for stability.
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

The Brain

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 25, 2013, 04:16:29 PM
The masses wouldn't be completely unskilled, there would be plenty of people in their ranks because of ideology, family connections, or simply their skills were made redundant. The haves might win the struggle, but they'd still be better off in a modern society where they share a portion of their wealth in exchange for stability.

Hence"If the rich don't give them food ..." in reply #86. I think it's likely the rich will since they do today.
Women want me. Men want to be with me.

Eddie Teach

To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

The Brain

Women want me. Men want to be with me.

Neil

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 25, 2013, 03:38:38 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 25, 2013, 01:43:52 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 25, 2013, 12:43:25 PM
... the imminent annhiliation of the entire legal profession by robots.
:mmm:

Now there's an idea I can get behind.
Remind me: what was Dick Nixon's job after he lost the 1960 election?

:contract:
Not to mention before the war. :weep:

I'm just saying:  I don't like your priesthood and I think it's a bad thing.
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.

Neil

Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 25, 2013, 03:36:52 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 25, 2013, 03:29:14 PM
That's always been true, but rebellions from below have often been rather deadly for the rich.  Even the anarchist craze of the 19th century made their mark.
Arms procurement and ammunition resupply would be orders of magnitude easier for the haves than for the have nots.
But the have-nots aren't fighting a war.  They're just trying to kill some haves.
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.

crazy canuck

Quote from: The Brain on January 25, 2013, 03:55:54 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 25, 2013, 03:44:54 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 25, 2013, 03:12:29 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 25, 2013, 03:10:38 PM
Why starve when you just take the rich man's food?

Because the rich man's dependents are more heavily armed than you are.

In Brain's Brave Neofeudalist World, they're also severely outnumbered.

In a scenario where the labor of the unskilled masses isn't worth anything significant the masses are unlikely to have significant fighting power compared to the other side.

You forget that the unskilled masses in the US are already armed to the teeth.  You know - to keep their government honest so that this sort of thing doesnt happen.

garbon

"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Neil on January 25, 2013, 04:37:50 PM
But the have-nots aren't fighting a war.  They're just trying to kill some haves.

They're trying to seize resources.

The Brain

Quote from: crazy canuck on January 25, 2013, 04:58:33 PM
Quote from: The Brain on January 25, 2013, 03:55:54 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 25, 2013, 03:44:54 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 25, 2013, 03:12:29 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 25, 2013, 03:10:38 PM
Why starve when you just take the rich man's food?

Because the rich man's dependents are more heavily armed than you are.

In Brain's Brave Neofeudalist World, they're also severely outnumbered.

In a scenario where the labor of the unskilled masses isn't worth anything significant the masses are unlikely to have significant fighting power compared to the other side.

You forget that the unskilled masses in the US are already armed to the teeth.  You know - to keep their government honest so that this sort of thing doesnt happen.

If they pose a threat against the rich then it seems likely that they could find jobs protecting the rich.
Women want me. Men want to be with me.

Neil

Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 25, 2013, 05:04:45 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 25, 2013, 04:37:50 PM
But the have-nots aren't fighting a war.  They're just trying to kill some haves.
They're trying to seize resources.
I'm not so sure.  That wasn't really the case with the Anarchists.  Sure, they had some kind of political ideal, but the practical effect of their movement was all about the murders.
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.