Health care, "thank you" gifts and corruption

Started by Martinus, January 04, 2013, 04:48:26 AM

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Richard Hakluyt

Most (many?) surgeons in the UK run a private practice as well as their NHS work. If the NHS queue is intolerable one can jump it by becoming a private patient. More interestingly one can move in and out of private/public practice for a particular case. This is all perfectly legal but enables people with sufficient nous to get a first class service on the cheap while the masses make do with a second rate service.


Josquius

Quote from: mongers on January 04, 2013, 11:34:54 PM
Quote from: garbon on January 04, 2013, 10:39:03 PM
Quote from: Tyr on January 04, 2013, 08:50:59 PM
a friend of mine is a nurse in the UK. just the other day she was telling me about a absolute bitch Filipina nurse she has to work with. given hints the bitch has dropped my friend heavily suspects a lack of bribes and tips from the patients in the UK is a key source of her bitch powers.

:huh:

Makes perfect sense if you read it aloud.

:unsure: or just read it normally.
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Malthus

Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on January 05, 2013, 05:20:33 AM
Most (many?) surgeons in the UK run a private practice as well as their NHS work. If the NHS queue is intolerable one can jump it by becoming a private patient. More interestingly one can move in and out of private/public practice for a particular case. This is all perfectly legal but enables people with sufficient nous to get a first class service on the cheap while the masses make do with a second rate service.

Here, except in certain specialized circumstances, two-tier isn't allowed.

The problem in a fully socialized system, I have found, is that influence simply replaces money as the source of getting an edge on. You are buddies with the head of oncology at Big Hospital? Have a word with him and your granny gets to the head of the line.

Oddly enough, having influence and having money tend to be highly co-related.  ;)
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Quote from: Tyr on January 05, 2013, 06:50:03 AM
Quote from: mongers on January 04, 2013, 11:34:54 PM
Quote from: garbon on January 04, 2013, 10:39:03 PM
Quote from: Tyr on January 04, 2013, 08:50:59 PM
a friend of mine is a nurse in the UK. just the other day she was telling me about a absolute bitch Filipina nurse she has to work with. given hints the bitch has dropped my friend heavily suspects a lack of bribes and tips from the patients in the UK is a key source of her bitch powers.

:huh:

Makes perfect sense if you read it aloud.

:unsure: or just read it normally.

I think clarity is increased slightly if you put a definite article between given and hints.  I didn't register it the first time I read it.

Richard Hakluyt

Quote from: Malthus on January 05, 2013, 11:32:52 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on January 05, 2013, 05:20:33 AM
Most (many?) surgeons in the UK run a private practice as well as their NHS work. If the NHS queue is intolerable one can jump it by becoming a private patient. More interestingly one can move in and out of private/public practice for a particular case. This is all perfectly legal but enables people with sufficient nous to get a first class service on the cheap while the masses make do with a second rate service.

Here, except in certain specialized circumstances, two-tier isn't allowed.

The problem in a fully socialized system, I have found, is that influence simply replaces money as the source of getting an edge on. You are buddies with the head of oncology at Big Hospital? Have a word with him and your granny gets to the head of the line.

Oddly enough, having influence and having money tend to be highly co-related.  ;)

Yes, there has been great disappointment here that "free" medical care has done nothing to narrow health differences between different social classes. I don't find it surprising (though 50 years of hindsight probably helps with that  :P), in a modern wealthy economy "poverty" is about so much more than simple want.

Sheilbh

I can't think of circumstances when you'd give money to a doctor or nurse in the UK. That would always look weird and probably get rejected by the recipient.

I tried to think of circumstances where you'd give a gift though and I could imagine it happening to midwives especially, or to retiring GPs. You might also give a gift to nurses if you'd been looked after well while staying in hospital or, possibly, something to a surgeon.
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I gave a gift to the surgeon who fixed my leg. I know my wife was giving the rehab floor nurses stuff.

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