Ray Lewis to retire.

[Razgovory]

I guess this means that Berkut doesn't think that people should be able to buy quality legal counsel.

[Valmy]

I'm glad Berkut knows it had to be Ray and his pals that committed the crime.  I wonder why he didn't offer to testify with his 100% surety and knowledge of the incident.  Also, Ray has done a lot of amazing work in the community and the nation as a whole for charity and other worthwhile endeavors, so not only is he a good tackler and football player, but a good person off the field.  He was cleared of charges, Berkut.  It may infuriate you and make you especially frothy, but if you consider the courts ruled he was not responsible and didn't charge him, weigh his other off the field work, and his on the field work and work ethic, and I think he is a pretty great guy.  I'm sorry your rage prevents you from being able to acknowledge anything he has done off the field other than his involvement in matters he was cleared of over a decade ago.

Yeah I don't know what happened 10 years ago, but I do see what he has done recently and he does really awesome things in addition to being one of the great players of his age.  Now perhaps back when he was at Miami he went around with his boys knifing people in bars and decided to do it one more time at the Super Bowl I don't know.  But from what I can tell dude was at the wrong place at the wrong time.

[Eddie Teach]

Didn't he shoot up a night club once?

Sorry, knifed up a Super Bowl party. Celebrity crimes aren't interesting enough to me to keep track of minor details like that.

[jimmy olsen]

I'm glad Berkut knows it had to be Ray and his pals that committed the crime.  I wonder why he didn't offer to testify with his 100% surety and knowledge of the incident.  Also, Ray has done a lot of amazing work in the community and the nation as a whole for charity and other worthwhile endeavors, so not only is he a good tackler and football player, but a good person off the field.  He was cleared of charges, Berkut.

Sandusky and Saville did a lot for charity too. Charity does not get you a pass for committing crimes.

[Valmy]

Sandusky and Saville did a lot for charity too. Charity does not get you a pass for committing crimes.

Well it is sort of different if the charity is your vehicle to commit said crimes Tim.  Besides I guess I missed when Sandusky was cleared of the allegations against him.

[Barrister]

Sandusky and Saville did a lot for charity too. Charity does not get you a pass for committing crimes.

Well it is sort of different if the charity is your vehicle to commit said crimes Tim.  Besides I guess I missed when Sandusky was cleared of the allegations against him.

Not charged /= cleared

[Razgovory]

I'm glad Berkut knows it had to be Ray and his pals that committed the crime.  I wonder why he didn't offer to testify with his 100% surety and knowledge of the incident.  Also, Ray has done a lot of amazing work in the community and the nation as a whole for charity and other worthwhile endeavors, so not only is he a good tackler and football player, but a good person off the field.  He was cleared of charges, Berkut.

Sandusky and Saville did a lot for charity too. Charity does not get you a pass for committing crimes.

No, lawyers do that.

[Razgovory]

Sandusky and Saville did a lot for charity too. Charity does not get you a pass for committing crimes.

Well it is sort of different if the charity is your vehicle to commit said crimes Tim.  Besides I guess I missed when Sandusky was cleared of the allegations against him.

Not charged /= cleared

I'm curious, can no person ever be "cleared" in your mind.  Is everyone potentially guilty at all times?

[Barrister]

Sandusky and Saville did a lot for charity too. Charity does not get you a pass for committing crimes.

Well it is sort of different if the charity is your vehicle to commit said crimes Tim.  Besides I guess I missed when Sandusky was cleared of the allegations against him.

Not charged /= cleared

I'm curious, can no person ever be "cleared" in your mind.  Is everyone potentially guilty at all times?

Absolutely people can be cleared.  If I am dropping a case because I think the person is "cleared" I make a point of saying so in open court.

Cleared is pretty tough.  But there is also "no evidence to link the person to the offence".

And then of course there is just, plain old "we do not have enough evidence to convict".  Which is quite different from the other two.

[The Minsky Moment]

But from what I can tell dude was at the wrong place at the wrong time.

But then the best you can really say is that he "just" obstructed a murder investigation.
It's not great resume material.

[Berkut]

But from what I can tell dude was at the wrong place at the wrong time.

But then the best you can really say is that he "just" obstructed a murder investigation.
It's not great resume material.

Indeed.

Best case is we take him at his word - that in fact he attempted to be a "peacemaker" and stop the fight.

In which case he failed rather badly, no big deal, dumbasses will be dumbasses despite the best efforts of other sometimes.

But then he actively helped the murderes flee the scene, covered up their actions, and at least was comlicit in allowing them to destroy evidence. Not to mention his refusal to actually testify against them.

That makes him an accessory to double homicide, IF we accept him at his word.

And since we already know he is an admitted liar, why would we accept him at his word?

[Berkut]

I'm glad Berkut knows it had to be Ray and his pals that committed the crime.  I wonder why he didn't offer to testify with his 100% surety and knowledge of the incident.  Also, Ray has done a lot of amazing work in the community and the nation as a whole for charity and other worthwhile endeavors, so not only is he a good tackler and football player, but a good person off the field.  He was cleared of charges, Berkut.  It may infuriate you and make you especially frothy, but if you consider the courts ruled he was not responsible and didn't charge him, weigh his other off the field work, and his on the field work and work ethic, and I think he is a pretty great guy.  I'm sorry your rage prevents you from being able to acknowledge anything he has done off the field other than his involvement in matters he was cleared of over a decade ago.

Yeah I don't know what happened 10 years ago, but I do see what he has done recently and he does really awesome things in addition to being one of the great players of his age.  Now perhaps back when he was at Miami he went around with his boys knifing people in bars and decided to do it one more time at the Super Bowl I don't know.  But from what I can tell dude was at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Yeah, poor guy.

You know who else was unfortunately at the wrong place at the wrong time?

The two people he and his friends knifed to death.

But hey, neither of them could play football at all, so fuck them, amirite?

[Razgovory]

Sandusky and Saville did a lot for charity too. Charity does not get you a pass for committing crimes.

Well it is sort of different if the charity is your vehicle to commit said crimes Tim.  Besides I guess I missed when Sandusky was cleared of the allegations against him.

Not charged /= cleared

I'm curious, can no person ever be "cleared" in your mind.  Is everyone potentially guilty at all times?

Absolutely people can be cleared.  If I am dropping a case because I think the person is "cleared" I make a point of saying so in open court.

Cleared is pretty tough.  But there is also "no evidence to link the person to the offence".

And then of course there is just, plain old "we do not have enough evidence to convict".  Which is quite different from the other two.

It just seems that the way you keep bring up the fact that a person isn't "cleared" but simply "we do not have enough evidence to convict" makes you seem... suspicious of people.

[Valmy]

Yeah, poor guy.

You know who else was unfortunately at the wrong place at the wrong time?

The two people he and his friends knifed to death.

But hey, neither of them could play football at all, so fuck them, amirite?

Ok if we are going full retard sure.  Everybody who does not play football should be put to death immediately!

[Barrister]

Sandusky and Saville did a lot for charity too. Charity does not get you a pass for committing crimes.

Well it is sort of different if the charity is your vehicle to commit said crimes Tim.  Besides I guess I missed when Sandusky was cleared of the allegations against him.

Not charged /= cleared

I'm curious, can no person ever be "cleared" in your mind.  Is everyone potentially guilty at all times?

Absolutely people can be cleared.  If I am dropping a case because I think the person is "cleared" I make a point of saying so in open court.

Cleared is pretty tough.  But there is also "no evidence to link the person to the offence".

And then of course there is just, plain old "we do not have enough evidence to convict".  Which is quite different from the other two.

It just seems that the way you keep bring up the fact that a person isn't "cleared" but simply "we do not have enough evidence to convict" makes you seem... suspicious of people.

Let me clear up this misconception.

I am suspicious of Ray Lewis.  Not people in general.