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Started by Sophie Scholl, January 02, 2013, 04:38:47 PM

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Razgovory

I guess this means that Berkut doesn't think that people should be able to buy quality legal counsel. :(
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Valmy

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Quote from: Benedict Arnold on January 03, 2013, 04:08:25 PM
I'm glad Berkut knows it had to be Ray and his pals that committed the crime.  I wonder why he didn't offer to testify with his 100% surety and knowledge of the incident.  Also, Ray has done a lot of amazing work in the community and the nation as a whole for charity and other worthwhile endeavors, so not only is he a good tackler and football player, but a good person off the field.  He was cleared of charges, Berkut.  It may infuriate you and make you especially frothy, but if you consider the courts ruled he was not responsible and didn't charge him, weigh his other off the field work, and his on the field work and work ethic, and I think he is a pretty great guy.  I'm sorry your rage prevents you from being able to acknowledge anything he has done off the field other than his involvement in matters he was cleared of over a decade ago.

Yeah I don't know what happened 10 years ago, but I do see what he has done recently and he does really awesome things in addition to being one of the great players of his age.  Now perhaps back when he was at Miami he went around with his boys knifing people in bars and decided to do it one more time at the Super Bowl I don't know.  But from what I can tell dude was at the wrong place at the wrong time.
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Quote from: Valmy on January 02, 2013, 11:54:55 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 02, 2013, 11:51:35 PM
Didn't he shoot up a night club once? :unsure:

:rolleyes:

Sorry, knifed up a Super Bowl party. Celebrity crimes aren't interesting enough to me to keep track of minor details like that.
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Quote from: Benedict Arnold on January 03, 2013, 04:08:25 PM
I'm glad Berkut knows it had to be Ray and his pals that committed the crime.  I wonder why he didn't offer to testify with his 100% surety and knowledge of the incident.  Also, Ray has done a lot of amazing work in the community and the nation as a whole for charity and other worthwhile endeavors, so not only is he a good tackler and football player, but a good person off the field.  He was cleared of charges, Berkut.
Sandusky and Saville did a lot for charity too. Charity does not get you a pass for committing crimes.
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Valmy

Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 03, 2013, 05:16:03 PM
Sandusky and Saville did a lot for charity too. Charity does not get you a pass for committing crimes.

Well it is sort of different if the charity is your vehicle to commit said crimes Tim.  Besides I guess I missed when Sandusky was cleared of the allegations against him.
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Barrister

Quote from: Valmy on January 03, 2013, 05:24:36 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 03, 2013, 05:16:03 PM
Sandusky and Saville did a lot for charity too. Charity does not get you a pass for committing crimes.

Well it is sort of different if the charity is your vehicle to commit said crimes Tim.  Besides I guess I missed when Sandusky was cleared of the allegations against him.

Not charged /= cleared
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Razgovory

Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 03, 2013, 05:16:03 PM
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on January 03, 2013, 04:08:25 PM
I'm glad Berkut knows it had to be Ray and his pals that committed the crime.  I wonder why he didn't offer to testify with his 100% surety and knowledge of the incident.  Also, Ray has done a lot of amazing work in the community and the nation as a whole for charity and other worthwhile endeavors, so not only is he a good tackler and football player, but a good person off the field.  He was cleared of charges, Berkut.
Sandusky and Saville did a lot for charity too. Charity does not get you a pass for committing crimes.

No, lawyers do that.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Razgovory

Quote from: Barrister on January 03, 2013, 05:27:37 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 03, 2013, 05:24:36 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 03, 2013, 05:16:03 PM
Sandusky and Saville did a lot for charity too. Charity does not get you a pass for committing crimes.

Well it is sort of different if the charity is your vehicle to commit said crimes Tim.  Besides I guess I missed when Sandusky was cleared of the allegations against him.

Not charged /= cleared

I'm curious, can no person ever be "cleared" in your mind.  Is everyone potentially guilty at all times?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Barrister

Quote from: Razgovory on January 03, 2013, 05:35:10 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 03, 2013, 05:27:37 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 03, 2013, 05:24:36 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 03, 2013, 05:16:03 PM
Sandusky and Saville did a lot for charity too. Charity does not get you a pass for committing crimes.

Well it is sort of different if the charity is your vehicle to commit said crimes Tim.  Besides I guess I missed when Sandusky was cleared of the allegations against him.

Not charged /= cleared

I'm curious, can no person ever be "cleared" in your mind.  Is everyone potentially guilty at all times?

Absolutely people can be cleared.  If I am dropping a case because I think the person is "cleared" I make a point of saying so in open court.

Cleared is pretty tough.  But there is also "no evidence to link the person to the offence".

And then of course there is just, plain old "we do not have enough evidence to convict".  Which is quite different from the other two.
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Quote from: Valmy on January 03, 2013, 05:06:43 PM
But from what I can tell dude was at the wrong place at the wrong time.

But then the best you can really say is that he "just" obstructed a murder investigation.
It's not great resume material.
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Berkut

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 03, 2013, 05:41:41 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 03, 2013, 05:06:43 PM
But from what I can tell dude was at the wrong place at the wrong time.

But then the best you can really say is that he "just" obstructed a murder investigation.
It's not great resume material.

Indeed.

Best case is we take him at his word - that in fact he attempted to be a "peacemaker" and stop the fight.

In which case he failed rather badly, no big deal, dumbasses will be dumbasses despite the best efforts of other sometimes.

But then he actively helped the murderes flee the scene, covered up their actions, and at least was comlicit in allowing them to destroy evidence. Not to mention his refusal to actually testify against them.

That makes him an accessory to double homicide, IF we accept him at his word.

And since we already know he is an admitted liar, why would we accept him at his word?
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Berkut

Quote from: Valmy on January 03, 2013, 05:06:43 PM
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on January 03, 2013, 04:08:25 PM
I'm glad Berkut knows it had to be Ray and his pals that committed the crime.  I wonder why he didn't offer to testify with his 100% surety and knowledge of the incident.  Also, Ray has done a lot of amazing work in the community and the nation as a whole for charity and other worthwhile endeavors, so not only is he a good tackler and football player, but a good person off the field.  He was cleared of charges, Berkut.  It may infuriate you and make you especially frothy, but if you consider the courts ruled he was not responsible and didn't charge him, weigh his other off the field work, and his on the field work and work ethic, and I think he is a pretty great guy.  I'm sorry your rage prevents you from being able to acknowledge anything he has done off the field other than his involvement in matters he was cleared of over a decade ago.

Yeah I don't know what happened 10 years ago, but I do see what he has done recently and he does really awesome things in addition to being one of the great players of his age.  Now perhaps back when he was at Miami he went around with his boys knifing people in bars and decided to do it one more time at the Super Bowl I don't know.  But from what I can tell dude was at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Yeah, poor guy.

You know who else was unfortunately at the wrong place at the wrong time?

The two people he and his friends knifed to death.

But hey, neither of them could play football at all, so fuck them, amirite?
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Razgovory

Quote from: Barrister on January 03, 2013, 05:39:42 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 03, 2013, 05:35:10 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 03, 2013, 05:27:37 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 03, 2013, 05:24:36 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 03, 2013, 05:16:03 PM
Sandusky and Saville did a lot for charity too. Charity does not get you a pass for committing crimes.

Well it is sort of different if the charity is your vehicle to commit said crimes Tim.  Besides I guess I missed when Sandusky was cleared of the allegations against him.

Not charged /= cleared

I'm curious, can no person ever be "cleared" in your mind.  Is everyone potentially guilty at all times?

Absolutely people can be cleared.  If I am dropping a case because I think the person is "cleared" I make a point of saying so in open court.

Cleared is pretty tough.  But there is also "no evidence to link the person to the offence".

And then of course there is just, plain old "we do not have enough evidence to convict".  Which is quite different from the other two.

It just seems that the way you keep bring up the fact that a person isn't "cleared" but simply "we do not have enough evidence to convict" makes you seem... suspicious of people.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Valmy

Quote from: Berkut on January 03, 2013, 05:50:30 PM
Yeah, poor guy.

You know who else was unfortunately at the wrong place at the wrong time?

The two people he and his friends knifed to death.

But hey, neither of them could play football at all, so fuck them, amirite?

Ok if we are going full retard sure.  Everybody who does not play football should be put to death immediately!
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Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Barrister

Quote from: Razgovory on January 03, 2013, 05:52:30 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 03, 2013, 05:39:42 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 03, 2013, 05:35:10 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 03, 2013, 05:27:37 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 03, 2013, 05:24:36 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 03, 2013, 05:16:03 PM
Sandusky and Saville did a lot for charity too. Charity does not get you a pass for committing crimes.

Well it is sort of different if the charity is your vehicle to commit said crimes Tim.  Besides I guess I missed when Sandusky was cleared of the allegations against him.

Not charged /= cleared

I'm curious, can no person ever be "cleared" in your mind.  Is everyone potentially guilty at all times?

Absolutely people can be cleared.  If I am dropping a case because I think the person is "cleared" I make a point of saying so in open court.

Cleared is pretty tough.  But there is also "no evidence to link the person to the offence".

And then of course there is just, plain old "we do not have enough evidence to convict".  Which is quite different from the other two.

It just seems that the way you keep bring up the fact that a person isn't "cleared" but simply "we do not have enough evidence to convict" makes you seem... suspicious of people.

Let me clear up this misconception.

I am suspicious of Ray Lewis.  Not people in general.
Posts here are my own private opinions.  I do not speak for my employer.