Was the Waco Massacre a failure of the US law enforcement system?

Started by Martinus, November 17, 2012, 03:38:54 AM

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Was the Waco Massacre a failure of the US law enforcement system?

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Martinus

November 17, 2012, 03:38:54 AM
I don't think it was, but was wondering what the popular opinion is.

Razgovory

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November 17, 2012, 04:47:55 AM
Massacre?  Perhaps you would like to elaborate?
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The Brain

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November 17, 2012, 05:33:57 AM
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CountDeMoney

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November 17, 2012, 06:47:41 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 17, 2012, 03:38:54 AM
I don't think it was, but was wondering what the popular opinion is.

Depends on whether or not you hate government, and whether or not you think cult sieges should be allowed to go on forever with the cultists dictating the terms.

Caliga

#4
November 17, 2012, 07:16:52 AM
 :hmm: No, I think it was a success actually.
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jimmy olsen

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November 17, 2012, 07:19:50 AM
When children get killed like that, you can't call it a success.

Now perhaps success was impossible by that standard, but sometimes you just can't win.
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Caliga

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November 17, 2012, 07:22:05 AM
It was like Jonestown, dude.  If Koresh had it his way nobody was leaving that compound alive.
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CountDeMoney

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November 17, 2012, 07:41:14 AM
Quote from: Caliga on November 17, 2012, 07:22:05 AM
If Koresh had it his way nobody was leaving that compound alive.

That's why you can't let them complete their terminal demands in a barricade crisis.  He wanted time to "finish" writing his "revelations".  That's always a bad sign in a hostage negotiation.

jimmy olsen

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November 17, 2012, 07:59:34 AM
Quote from: Caliga on November 17, 2012, 07:22:05 AM
It was like Jonestown, dude.  If Koresh had it his way nobody was leaving that compound alive.
Like I said, sometimes you just can't succeed.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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Caliga

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November 17, 2012, 08:22:41 AM
I guess it depends how you define success.  If you do the best job you can given the circumstances, I'd call that a success.
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The Brain

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November 17, 2012, 09:24:22 AM
Quote from: Caliga on November 17, 2012, 08:22:41 AM
I guess it depends how you define success.  If you do the best job you can given the circumstances, I'd call that a success.

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November 17, 2012, 10:47:54 AM
Quote from: The Brain on November 17, 2012, 05:33:57 AM
My confidence in Mr. Reno remains absolute.

His imdb page is a bit of a trainwreck.
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#12
November 17, 2012, 12:12:42 PM
No. It was a failure in tactics and intel.
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#13
November 17, 2012, 12:30:55 PM
It was an OK glider, but I am not sure that it was ever used by law enforcement.
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Ed Anger

#14
November 17, 2012, 12:37:33 PM
The Waco Rangers were an awful Mercenary unit.

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