Raz and Strix Benghazi monkey shitfight thread

[Strix]

And it's fun to see Raz try to discuss things that happen in a real world he has never been a part of in any way/shape/form.

[Maximus]

Do you not understand the word "conjecture"?  Tell me, how is this "clear" to you?  You don't have any evidence of this, nor do you know the inner workings of the State Department (unless you have been moonlighting as a high ranking State Department official).  You keep bring up Fast and Furious, a favorite conservative talking point.  As far as I know, no criminal wrong doing discovered involving Obama in that either.

Even you must realize that the sum of Strix's contribution to this thread has consisted of badly reanimated talking points stuck together with horseshit glue. There's no way he's both sentient and not trolling.

[Razgovory]

Do you not understand the word "conjecture"?  Tell me, how is this "clear" to you?  You don't have any evidence of this, nor do you know the inner workings of the State Department (unless you have been moonlighting as a high ranking State Department official).  You keep bring up Fast and Furious, a favorite conservative talking point.  As far as I know, no criminal wrong doing discovered involving Obama in that either.

It is clear to me that you don't understand the whole discussion but I will humor you.

I don't need to work for the State Department because unlike you I read news articles. As garbon has repeatedly pointed out to you there are numerous stories and articles out there concerning Benghazi, as well as OFFICIAL White House press releases. The reason I don't need to work for the State Department is because the State Department has released information concerning timelines and actions taken during the attack.

I bring up Fast and Furious because it shares some similar characteristics to Benghazi. A killing takes place and the "official" story keeps changing as new information emerges with those at the highest levels basically stating that it's not their fault even though they were in charge.

So the argument is I should simply take your word for it, because garbon and you have "read the articles"?

[Strix]

I wouldn't go that far, but it would be nice to see some evidence to counter Raz's position.

One thing good thing has come out of this discussion, the Benghazi raid conspiracy stuff plays well with the republican right, as indicated by Strix's 'enthusiasm', so they're going to run with this 'cause celebre' and drive it into ground, maybe they'll ultimately get an impeachment vote out of it, that'll be a good use of 2 or 4 years of a house majority.

I am sure that Benghazi will play well with the Right and Left. It's time for all the would-be Presidental candidates to come out of the woodwork to get their faces in the limelight. Stevens was the first casualty but it will be interesting to see how many political careers come to a screeching halt over this. Petraeus is finished, and I am sure Hillary will be as well by the end.

[Razgovory]

Do you not understand the word "conjecture"?  Tell me, how is this "clear" to you?  You don't have any evidence of this, nor do you know the inner workings of the State Department (unless you have been moonlighting as a high ranking State Department official).  You keep bring up Fast and Furious, a favorite conservative talking point.  As far as I know, no criminal wrong doing discovered involving Obama in that either.

Even you must realize that the sum of Strix's contribution to this thread has consisted of badly reanimated talking points stuck together with horseshit glue. There's no way he's both sentient and not trolling.

It's the same type of razor sharp analysis that led him to claim that Mexicans are predisposed to rape.

[Razgovory]

And like Fast and Furious, as well as other Washington fuck ups, the left hand didn't know what the right hand was doing.  As usual.  CIA and State Department not talking to one another?  Color me fucking shocked. 

But let's not get too crazy with the conspiratorial wet dreams like Hillary-Obama-Petraeus cover ups, or losing perspective that somehow this is the single greatest US defeat in the Middle East since Eagle Claw.  Ronald Reagan received a hell of a lot more flag draped coffins of US embassy personnel to give up that title.

This would be a non-issue if the Obama administration hadn't fucked up by coming out with the video being the cause statement. It was a rushed lame response that stood up as well as the Jets defense to scrutiny. The follow up stories and accounts of what happened make Obama and his cronies look worse. I do think a cover up is taking place to save Hillary's future dreams of running for President. The buck stops at her and she is refusing to take the bullet. Beyond that I don't think there is any cover up concerning wrong doing or any malicious intent by Obama and his cronies. I think Obama and his Administration had a chance to show real leadership/strength and whiffed.

Except Hillary did take the bullet.

[Strix]

So the argument is I should simply take your word for it, because garbon and you have "read the articles"?

The argument is that nothing secretive or unsubstantiated is being discussed. Some theories have been put forth based on what has been given so far for public consumption on the matter. You decided to dismiss the basis for the theories without evidence or any particular reason other than you're unable to keep up with current events.

[Strix]

It's the same type of razor sharp analysis that led him to claim that Mexicans are predisposed to rape.

Pst...you might want to keep up with current events in Mexico.

[mongers]

I wouldn't go that far, but it would be nice to see some evidence to counter Raz's position.

One thing good thing has come out of this discussion, the Benghazi raid conspiracy stuff plays well with the republican right, as indicated by Strix's 'enthusiasm', so they're going to run with this 'cause celebre' and drive it into ground, maybe they'll ultimately get an impeachment vote out of it, that'll be a good use of 2 or 4 years of a house majority.

I am sure that Benghazi will play well with the Right and Left. It's time for all the would-be Presidental candidates to come out of the woodwork to get their faces in the limelight. Stevens was the first casualty but it will be interesting to see how many political careers come to a screeching halt over this. Petraeus is finished, and I am sure Hillary will be as well by the end.

QED.

[Strix]

Except Hillary did take the bullet.

How so?

[Razgovory]

Except Hillary did take the bullet.

How so?

By, you know, accepting blame.  I thought you were reading all the articles.

[Razgovory]

So the argument is I should simply take your word for it, because garbon and you have "read the articles"?

The argument is that nothing secretive or unsubstantiated is being discussed. Some theories have been put forth based on what has been given so far for public consumption on the matter. You decided to dismiss the basis for the theories without evidence or any particular reason other than you're unable to keep up with current events.

You see, you have to post what these theories and the evidence backing them up, not just say, "I know, and you don't!".

[DGuller]

Jesus, for how many pages did Raz and Strix go back and forth?  I skipped over their posts after the fifth iteration, and I still spend more time not reading their posts than I spend reading other people's posts here.

[Razgovory]

Jesus, for how many pages did Raz and Strix go back and forth?  I skipped over their posts after the fifth iteration, and I still spend more time not reading their posts than I spend reading other people's posts here.

Kiss my ass.  I'm trying to get answers out of the tinfoil moron.

[CountDeMoney]

Fuck you, Raz.  You and Teatard take it fucking elsewhere.  You've pissed all over my Petraeus meme.