Neuroscientist: Heaven is real, and I've seen it!

Started by Syt, October 24, 2012, 11:10:45 PM

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Syt

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/neuroscientist-sees-proof-heaven-week-long-coma/story?id=17555207#.UIi6qsXMieb

Excerpt:
QuoteIt's dinnertime at the Alexander home, in Lynchburg, Va.

Holley Alexander is serving chicken curry, 14-year-old Bond is hungry after soccer and the dad, Dr. Eben Alexander, leads the family in prayer.

In this home, saying grace is different these days. This family has been touched by a medical miracle -- and maybe more.

"It was impossible after impossible after impossible that all these things happened," Alexander said in an interview with "Nightline" co-anchor Terry Moran.

Alexander, a Harvard neurosurgeon, nearly died four years ago when a ferocious E. coli meningitis infection attacked his brain and plunged him deep into a week-long coma. Brain scans showed his entire cortex -- the parts of the brain that give us consciousness, thought, memory and understanding -- was not functioning. Doctors gave him little chance to live and told his family that if he did survive he'd probably be brain-damaged for the rest of his life.

"Nurses would come in, and they would pull his eyelids back, shine in the flashlight, and his eyes were just off and cocked," Holley Andersen said. "It's just like no one was there."

Against all odds, Alexander woke up a week after being stricken. But he believes Holley was right: He wasn't there

Deep in coma, his brain infected so badly only the most primitive parts were working, Alexander claimed he experienced something extraordinary: a journey to Heaven.

"In every sense, of the word that's what my experience showed me," Alexander said.

"My first memories from when I was deep inside: I had no language, all my earthly memories were gone," he said. "I had no body awareness at all. I was just a speck of awareness in kind of a dark, murky environment, in roots or vessels or something. And I seemed to be there for a very long time -- I would say years.

"I was rescued by this beautiful, spinning, white light that had a melody, an incredibly beautiful melody with it that opened up into a bright valley," he added, "an extremely verdant valley with blossoming flowers and a just incredible, rich, ultra-real world of indescribable complexity."

Alexander said there was a young woman who soared across time and space with him on a butterfly wing and gave him a message to take back from Heaven.

"She looked at me, and this was with no words, but the concepts came straight into mind: You are love; you are cherished; there's nothing you have to fear; there's nothing you can do wrong," he said.

God was there as a vast presence of love, Alexander said, and Alexander understood God through an orb of brilliant light.

"It was all of eternity and all of conscious existence," he said. "But it was this brilliant orb of light that was almost as necessary as a translator to bring in that message from the divine and the incredible."


After he recovered, Alexander, who was adopted, was shown a picture by his biological family of a sister he had never met or seen before. He recognized the sister as the young woman from Heaven.

"I looked up at that picture on my dresser that I had just got and I knew who my guardian angel was on the butterfly wing," he said. "It is the most profound experience I've ever had in this life."

Of course, many would call Alexander's experience a hallucination -- but not him.

"I know this is not a hallucination, not a dream, not what we call a confabulation," Alexander said. "I know that it really occurred, and it occurred outside of my brain."

It was a near-death experience -- like those reported by thousands of others. But Alexander was determined to prove scientifically that it happened.

In his new book, "Proof of Heaven," he raises and then strikes down various hypotheses on how his journey could not happen.

Alexander said he is scientifically certain that his stricken brain could never have produced the images and ideas he experienced -- or remembered them.

"If you would have asked me before my coma, How much will someone who is in coma for a week with a severe bacterial meningitis -- so severe that the sugar level ... around my brain, normally around 60-80 and in a bad meningitis maybe down to 20; in my case it went down to 1 -- to me, that's just one piece of evidence of how severe this was. If you'd ask me how much would that patient remember, I'd say nothing," he said. "They wouldn't remember a single thing. ...The severity of the meningitis would have prevented dreams, hallucinations, confabulations, because those things all require a fairly coordinated amount of cortex."

Alexander isn't fazed at all by the skeptics. He was one, too.

Now he has "proof of Heaven," he said.

"For me, it's become clear that the best way to look at it is to turn it around and realize that consciousness exists in a much richer form, free and independent of the brain, which has everything to do with the eternity of our souls and the fact that our awareness, our consciousness, our soul, our spirit, does not depend on the existence of the brain in the physical universe. In fact, it's freed up to a much richer knowing when we're outside."
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Josquius

QuoteDoctors gave him little chance to live and told his family that if he did survive he'd probably be brain-damaged for the rest of his life.

They were right.
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Eddie Teach

Quote from: Syt on October 24, 2012, 11:10:45 PM
Alexander said there was a young woman who soared across time and space with him on a butterfly wing and gave him a message to take back from Heaven.

"She looked at me, and this was with no words, but the concepts came straight into mind: You are love; you are cherished; there's nothing you have to fear; there's nothing you can do wrong," he said.

They say in heaven, love comes first.  :hmm:
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FunkMonk

Well now I'm convinced. So which religion should I convert to? Whichever one has the best heaven? :hmm:
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Valmy

Quote from: FunkMonk on October 25, 2012, 08:46:17 AM
Well now I'm convinced. So which religion should I convert to? Whichever one has the best heaven? :hmm:

What is your stance on 72 virgins?

God is a ball of light eh?  So he is a European after all.  I knew it!
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Quote from: Valmy on October 25, 2012, 08:48:06 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on October 25, 2012, 08:46:17 AM
Well now I'm convinced. So which religion should I convert to? Whichever one has the best heaven? :hmm:

What is your stance on 72 virgins?

God is a ball of light eh?  So he is a European after all.  I knew it!

72 Star Trek fans and bronies? Pass.
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FunkMonk

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Hey, if you won't believe a man with a serious brain infection, who will you believe?  :hmm:
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Quote from: Razgovory on October 25, 2012, 08:59:16 AM
And Viking said that all  Neuroscientists were becoming atheists.

You confuse Neuroscientist with Neurosurgeon. Here's the take of a very eloquent Neuroscientist on the Neurosurgeon's experience

http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/this-must-be-heaven

the article is long, but this is the important bit.

QuoteEverything—absolutely everything—in Alexander's account rests on repeated assertions that his visions of heaven occurred while his cerebral cortex was "shut down," "inactivated," "completely shut down," "totally offline," and "stunned to complete inactivity." The evidence he provides for this claim is not only inadequate—it suggests that he doesn't know anything about the relevant brain science. Perhaps he has saved a more persuasive account for his book—though now that I've listened to an hour-long interview with him online, I very much doubt it. In his Newsweek article, Alexander asserts that the cessation of cortical activity was "clear from the severity and duration of my meningitis, and from the global cortical involvement documented by CT scans and neurological examinations." To his editors, this presumably sounded like neuroscience.

The problem, however, is that "CT scans and neurological examinations" can't determine neuronal inactivity—in the cortex or anywhere else. And Alexander makes no reference to functional data that might have been acquired by fMRI, PET, or EEG—nor does he seem to realize that only this sort of evidence could support his case. Obviously, the man's cortex is functioning now—he has, after all, written a book—so whatever structural damage appeared on CT could not have been "global." (Otherwise, he would be claiming that his entire cortex was destroyed and then grew back.) Coma is not associated with the complete cessation of cortical activity, in any case. And to my knowledge, almost no one thinks that consciousness is purely a matter of cortical activity. Alexander's unwarranted assumptions are proliferating rather quickly. Why doesn't he know these things? He is, after all, a neurosurgeon who survived a coma and now claims to be upending the scientific worldview on the basis of the fact that his cortex was totally quiescent at the precise moment he was enjoying the best day of his life in the company of angels. Even if his entire cortex had truly shut down (again, an incredible claim), how can he know that his visions didn't occur in the minutes and hours during which its functions returned?
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The title of the thread reads "Neuroscientist".
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Quote from: Tyr on October 25, 2012, 03:49:35 AM
QuoteDoctors gave him little chance to live and told his family that if he did survive he'd probably be brain-damaged for the rest of his life.

They were right.

Really. As a neurosurgeon, he should be aware that he couldn't have experienced that while his cortex wasn't working, so he must have experienced it immediately before or after.
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First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.