Mesoamerican civilizations compared to early Mesopotamia

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Razgovory

#90
September 06, 2012, 06:31:58 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on September 06, 2012, 04:26:41 PM
Are primitive windmills really that useful? I get their use when you are using them like in the Netherlands, but I would guess they lack the consistency and power to be all that great for industry.

They have windmills in Italy now, so they must be of some use.  Besides, the Romans ended up owning the Netherlands.
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Siege

#91
September 06, 2012, 07:08:50 PM
So, wasn't there a Copper Age before the Bronze Age?


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#92
September 06, 2012, 07:14:10 PM
Quote from: Siege on September 06, 2012, 07:08:50 PM
So, wasn't there a Copper Age before the Bronze Age?

No, copper is inferior to stone for almost all tool using purposes. Copper is soft and highly malleable and has a relatively low melting point. That's why it is used in your anti tank explosives, easy to shape and melts quickly enough to be a high temp fluid when it penetrates armor.
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#93
September 06, 2012, 07:35:56 PM
Quote from: Viking on September 06, 2012, 07:14:10 PM
Quote from: Siege on September 06, 2012, 07:08:50 PM
So, wasn't there a Copper Age before the Bronze Age?

No, copper is inferior to stone for almost all tool using purposes. Copper is soft and highly malleable and has a relatively low melting point. That's why it is used in your anti tank explosives, easy to shape and melts quickly enough to be a high temp fluid when it penetrates armor.
Well there was usually a transitional period where people started smelting copper for jewelry and such before they learned how to make bronze. Copper axes were common as well.

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Razgovory

#94
September 06, 2012, 08:06:50 PM
Don't listen to Viking.  Metal is much more versatile and less fragile then stone.  Even a fairly soft metal like Copper.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

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HVC

#95
September 06, 2012, 08:15:29 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 06, 2012, 08:06:50 PM
Don't listen to Viking.  Metal is much more versatile and less fragile then stone.  Even a fairly soft metal like Copper.
and a lot less time consuming than making stone tools. Once you figure out how to smelt, that is.
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Malthus

#96
September 07, 2012, 08:11:06 AM
A famous "copper age" find was the body of Otzi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96tzi_the_Iceman

He was carrying a flint knife ... and a copper axe.
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Barrister

#97
September 07, 2012, 09:08:40 AM
Quote from: Malthus on September 07, 2012, 08:11:06 AM
A famous "copper age" find was the body of Otzi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96tzi_the_Iceman

He was carrying a flint knife ... and a copper axe.

I saw the Iceman in Bolzano. :punk:

It was a cool little museum.
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Malthus

#98
September 07, 2012, 09:12:41 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 07, 2012, 09:08:40 AM
Quote from: Malthus on September 07, 2012, 08:11:06 AM
A famous "copper age" find was the body of Otzi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96tzi_the_Iceman

He was carrying a flint knife ... and a copper axe.

I saw the Iceman in Bolzano. :punk:

It was a cool little museum.

:envy:

I'd love to go there. Someday, I will.

I know we've had threads on him before, but the fact that he was murdered creates a whole new level of interest - the ultimate "cold case" as it were!  :lol:
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Barrister

#99
September 07, 2012, 09:20:56 AM
Quote from: Malthus on September 07, 2012, 09:12:41 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 07, 2012, 09:08:40 AM
Quote from: Malthus on September 07, 2012, 08:11:06 AM
A famous "copper age" find was the body of Otzi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96tzi_the_Iceman

He was carrying a flint knife ... and a copper axe.

I saw the Iceman in Bolzano. :punk:

It was a cool little museum.

:envy:

I'd love to go there. Someday, I will.

It was pretty much by accident.  We had landed in Frankfurt, were going to Cortina the next day, and booked a hotel that was just across the Italian border, in what turned out to be the small town of Vilpiano, Italy, just to the north of Bolzano.  We pretty much had the day free, so we wandered around and found the museum.  The showpiece was the iceman and all his artifacts, of course, but they had frozen / mummified bodies of all sorts of things.

Also a cool little region of Italy that would be fun to spend more time in.  It had been part of Austria till WWI I think, and the german influence was very strong.
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jimmy olsen

#100
September 07, 2012, 09:23:00 AM
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Syt

#101
September 07, 2012, 12:11:52 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 07, 2012, 09:08:40 AM
Quote from: Malthus on September 07, 2012, 08:11:06 AM
A famous "copper age" find was the body of Otzi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96tzi_the_Iceman

He was carrying a flint knife ... and a copper axe.

I saw the Iceman in Bolzano. :punk:

It was a cool little museum.

They completely redid it a year or two ago, based on the latest research. There was an interesting article in a magazine.
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#102
September 07, 2012, 04:10:58 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 07, 2012, 09:08:40 AM
Quote from: Malthus on September 07, 2012, 08:11:06 AM
A famous "copper age" find was the body of Otzi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96tzi_the_Iceman

He was carrying a flint knife ... and a copper axe.

I saw the Iceman in Bolzano. :punk:

It was a cool little museum.

I thought the Crown was above this shit?
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jimmy olsen

#103
October 06, 2012, 01:34:52 AM
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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