The China Thread

[11B4V]

B-52s.
Even Chinese radar won't miss those.

Monroe was bright enough to make sure the British were on board before making big declarations about exclusions.
PRC seems to have forgotten to check with USAF and USN.

yip

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/26/us-flies-bombers-over-disputed-islands-claimed-by-china/?intcmp=latestnews

[CountDeMoney]

PRC seems to have forgotten to check with USAF and USN.

Miscalculating the reactions of intended audiences in Chinese strategic thought is no new revelation. 

Good to see the US react so quickly, though.  Doesn't give the Chinese a sense of acceptance. 

The Washington is done in the Philippines, and the Nimitz is in the WestPac.  I wonder if their CVBGs will make minor detours in their cruise itineraries.

[mongers]

B-52s.
Even Chinese radar won't miss those.

Monroe was bright enough to make sure the British were on board before making big declarations about exclusions.
PRC seems to have forgotten to check with USAF and USN.

Yeah, possibly have the largest radar signature of any USAF combat aircraft ?

[Maximus]

Miscalculating the reactions of intended audiences in Chinese strategic thought is no new revelation. 

Good to see the US react so quickly, though.  Doesn't give the Chinese a sense of acceptance. 

The Washington is done in the Philippines, and the Nimitz is in the WestPac.  I wonder if their CVBGs will make minor detours in their cruise itineraries.

According to the article I read the Washington is conducting joint exercises with the Japanese off Okinawa

[The Minsky Moment]

Miscalculating the reactions of intended audiences in Chinese strategic thought is no new revelation. 

Could be a blunder, could be a probe to test will and commitment.

[Valmy]

Woah.  A ship with the Rising Sun flag.  That makes me feel surprisingly uneasy.

Rising Sun flag isn't like the Swastika - it's the traditional Japanese naval ensign IIRC.

I never said it was like the swastika, if they were waving swastikas there would be nothing surprising about it making me feel uneasy.

Of course to the Chinese and Koreans it is a bit Swastika-like.

[Jacob]

Woah.  A ship with the Rising Sun flag.  That makes me feel surprisingly uneasy.

Rising Sun flag isn't like the Swastika - it's the traditional Japanese naval ensign IIRC.

It is also the traditional flag of Japanese warcrimes in the eyes of its neighbours, I'm pretty sure.

[mongers]

Woah.  A ship with the Rising Sun flag.  That makes me feel surprisingly uneasy.

Rising Sun flag isn't like the Swastika - it's the traditional Japanese naval ensign IIRC.

It is also the traditional flag of Japanese warcrimes in the eyes of its neighbours, I'm pretty sure.

Good point and one of occupation, for a good deal longer than the countries the nazis dominated. 

[Tonitrus]

PRC seems to have forgotten to check with USAF and USN.

Miscalculating the reactions of intended audiences in Chinese strategic thought is no new revelation. 

Good to see the US react so quickly, though.  Doesn't give the Chinese a sense of acceptance. 

The Washington is done in the Philippines, and the Nimitz is in the WestPac.  I wonder if their CVBGs will make minor detours in their cruise itineraries.

If they do, at least there shouldn't be any crooked deals involved anymore! 

http://www.stripes.com/news/navy/2nd-high-ranking-navy-officer-relieved-of-duty-as-bribery-probe-expands-1.244597

[jimmy olsen]

Woah.  A ship with the Rising Sun flag.  That makes me feel surprisingly uneasy.

Rising Sun flag isn't like the Swastika - it's the traditional Japanese naval ensign IIRC.

Tell that to a Korean and they will flip out and go on a ten minute rant on how they're exactly the same.

[jimmy olsen]

Woah.  A ship with the Rising Sun flag.  That makes me feel surprisingly uneasy.

Rising Sun flag isn't like the Swastika - it's the traditional Japanese naval ensign IIRC.

I never said it was like the swastika, if they were waving swastikas there would be nothing surprising about it making me feel uneasy.

Of course to the Chinese and Koreans it is a bit Swastika-like.

If the Japanese were flying a Swastika it would just be odd.

[mongers]

What's slightly odd is as well as the same flag, it's the same ruling family in Japan, did they drop the Imperial stuff ?

You could see how an typical Asian national/patriot might get a bit upset, rather like I'd imagine a Pole would who lived next to a modern Germany that still had the swastika or say Black cross as a flag, the exact same national anthem and the head of state was Hitler's son, but there wouldn't be anything to get upset about as it was now a constitutional monarchy. 

[Tonitrus]

I think Hirohito was probably closer in status to the Kaiser in WW1 than to Hitler in WW2.

[mongers]

I think Hirohito was probably closer in status to the Kaiser in WW1 than to Hitler in WW2.

In some senses yes and I thought about that when I posted, but I think the over-riding similarity, as far as the victims were concerned, was everything was done in their names, be it the Fuhrer or the Emperor.

[Tonitrus]

Though Hitler certainly has much more notoriety. 

Even most brain-dead Americans can make the "Hitler?-WW2!-Nazis!" connection, whereas if you name-dropped Hirohito, you'd likely get a lot of blank stares.