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Started by CountDeMoney, September 10, 2012, 10:43:12 PM

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Ideologue

Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 24, 2013, 08:14:44 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on September 24, 2013, 08:09:31 PM
Btw, I hate it when I get branded as an anti-intellectual for this position.  If people are going to pay what they're paying for education--or paying any significant amount at all--it has to be an investment with a real rate of return, which in turn means inculcating market-valuable skills, not poetry or literature or history or other (fun) crap you can indulge in for free.

You're not an anti-intellectual;  you're just a law school grad that was sold a bill of goods about all the solid gold goodies you expected to be showered with by simply graduating from law school.

I thought it would help get me the GS-7 post of my dreams.  Imagine my surprise.
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Ideologue

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Quote from: crazy canuck on September 24, 2013, 08:15:24 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on September 24, 2013, 08:09:31 PM
I liked it better when you were agreeing with Jake and by extension me.

If college is just culture school, what's really the point?

Btw, I hate it when I get branded as an anti-intellectual for this position.  If people are going to pay what they're paying for education--or paying any significant amount at all--it has to be an investment with a real rate of return, which in turn means inculcating market-valuable skills, not poetry or literature or history or other (fun) crap you can indulge in for free.

But you are being anti-intellectual :P

University is far more than culture school.  It is learning to think school; expanding horizons school; opening up opportunities and fields of study to which high school students have no access.  That is what makes it valuable.  Its not, has never been, and should never be simply a job training school.

What value would you say it has, in dollars?
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Ideologue on September 24, 2013, 08:19:00 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 24, 2013, 08:14:44 PM
You're not an anti-intellectual;  you're just a law school grad that was sold a bill of goods about all the solid gold goodies you expected to be showered with by simply graduating from law school.

I thought it would help get me the GS-7 post of my dreams.  Imagine my surprise.

"Small moves, Hunter.  Small moves."


Ideologue

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CountDeMoney

And he's dead now.  Lotta good it did him.

Savonarola

QuoteAdjunct professors are the new working poor
By Gary Rhoades, Special to CNN
updated 3:17 PM EDT, Tue September 24, 2013

Editor's note: Gary Rhoades is a professor and director of the Center for the Study of Higher Education at the University of Arizona.
(CNN) -- "She was a professor?"

That's what an astonished caseworker at Adult Protective Services asked about Margaret Mary Vojtko when informed of the 83-year-old woman's destitute situation, according to an op-ed in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. Vojtko died September 1 of a massive heart attack.
Yes, she was a professor. An adjunct professor of French at Duquesne University. Until she was not renewed this year, with neither due process nor severance pay.

She taught students for 25 years, with no health benefits, no retirement benefits, and low wages.
The minimum pay for adjunct faculty at Duquesne used to be $2500 per course. After an ongoing effort by the United Steelworkers to unionize adjuncts there, the university paid $3,500 per course.

Vojtko's situation was not unusual for adjuncts in academia. That is why many have taken the hashtag #iamMargaretMary to tweet their indignation at her working conditions, lack of support and lack of respect.

The dirty little secret is that higher education is staffed with an insufficiently resourced, egregiously exploited, contingent "new faculty majority." In addition to the 49.3% of faculty in part-time positions (70% in community colleges), another 19% are full-time, nontenure-track. (These numbers do not include graduate assistants or postdocs.)

Adjunct professors, like many hard-working Americans, are the working poor. They are one step away from "We don't need your services anymore" or one medical emergency away from being destitute, like Vojtko.

If Vojtko was good enough to be entrusted with teaching Duquesne undergraduates, how can the university justify not providing her (and her adjunct colleagues) with health care and other basic benefits?

If American higher education says to students and society that a college education is the path to the middle class, how can we justify such treatment of these professionals, with advanced degrees, who are teaching the students?

We are living a lie that cheats these professors and the students they teach, particularly in access universities and community colleges where adjunct faculty numbers, like percentages of lower-income students, are highest and instructional spending per student is lowest.

The story is not just about Duquesne. Certainly, the institution's wealth ($171 million endowment, tuition over $28,000) and Catholic status (Catholic social doctrine supports collective bargaining rights) make the situation -- and Duquesne's refusal to recognize a union that adjunct faculty voted for overwhelmingly -- particularly indefensible.

Duquesne University's administration has provided a response to the situation, suggesting that there were caring responses by people within the institution to Vojtko's circumstances. However, acts of charity are not conditions-of-employment justice for hard-working adjunct professors.

The larger issues are not about individual responsibility or culpability for actions toward Vojtko, but rather, about collective responsibility for the structural conditions of work that contributed to her circumstances, and that leave significant segments of the academic workforce with no benefits and low pay.

So Duquesne should recognize the adjunct union, bargain in good faith, grant benefits and set up a professional development fund in Vojtko's name. But this story speaks more broadly about a horrible reality in higher education.

Adjunct professors, as part of a growing army of working poor, are at the center of the academic labor movement, just as fast-food workers are now at the center of the larger labor movement. We are in the midst of deciding the extent to which we are an inclusive society that will live up to our nation's promise that hard work pays off.

The question is: How will we treat working people? Will we, the richest nation on earth, continue to structure employment in ways that reduce large segments of society to near Dickensian conditions of existence? Or can we muster the collective will to appropriately remunerate and honor the work of all working Americans?

In academia, that means tenure stream faculty, staff, students, administrators, and communities must recognize in Vojtko's fate the ugly and diminished future of higher education and choose, in big ways and small ways, a more equitable path.

Adjunct professors have taken initiatives to change the status quo. Some have joined advocacy groups, such as the New Faculty Majority. Some are involved with caucuses within unions and professional associations where they gather data about pay and working conditions, define best practices, and work to ensure that adjunct faculty are not discriminated against.

Adjuncts are organizing for benefits, a living wage, and conditions that will benefit their students and their schools. In Pittsburgh, as in Boston, Los Angeles, Seattle, and Washington, there are union campaigns for adjunct unions in private (often wealthy) universities. There is also much organizing in public institutions, and in units that combine adjunct with full-time and tenure track faculty.

No one deserves the treatment and fate experienced by Margaret Mary Vojtko, who escaped the 21st century equivalent of Victorian poorhouses in a cardboard casket. American higher education can and should do better for those who teach our students.

If only universities charged more.   :(
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garbon

Seems weird to title an article that adjuncts are the new working poor and then highlight a woman at the literal end of her career.
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crazy canuck

Quote from: Ideologue on September 24, 2013, 08:21:34 PM
What value would you say it has, in dollars?

At its core, that is the anti-intellectual question.

Ed Anger

Quote from: Ideologue on September 24, 2013, 08:52:57 PM
I saw that too, but I didn't post it, because I don't post articles about kapos.

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CountDeMoney

Quote from: garbon on September 24, 2013, 08:51:47 PM
Seems weird to title an article that adjuncts are the new working poor and then highlight a woman at the literal end of her career.

No kidding.  Teachers. :rolleyes:

MadImmortalMan

Quote from: crazy canuck on September 24, 2013, 08:53:21 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on September 24, 2013, 08:21:34 PM
What value would you say it has, in dollars?

At its core, that is the anti-intellectual question.

You don't have the luxury to say school has infinite value or unquantifiable value because it has a quantifiable cost. There is nothing anti-intellectual about Ide's point, only pragmatic.
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Ideologue

Quote from: Ed Anger on September 24, 2013, 08:53:21 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on September 24, 2013, 08:52:57 PM
I saw that too, but I didn't post it, because I don't post articles about kapos.

HEY NOW

Oh drat.  I tried to delete that.  I thought it was a little mean. :(

Anyway, we all know you're ein kommandant. :hug:
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crazy canuck

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 24, 2013, 08:56:23 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on September 24, 2013, 08:53:21 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on September 24, 2013, 08:21:34 PM
What value would you say it has, in dollars?

At its core, that is the anti-intellectual question.

You don't have the luxury to say school has infinite value or unquantifiable value because it has a quantifiable cost. There is nothing anti-intellectual about Ide's point, only pragmatic.

Yeah, another variant of the anti-intellectual argument.  Rather than attack education why not turn your mind to the way it is funded?

Ideologue

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 24, 2013, 08:56:23 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on September 24, 2013, 08:53:21 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on September 24, 2013, 08:21:34 PM
What value would you say it has, in dollars?

At its core, that is the anti-intellectual question.

You don't have the luxury to say school has infinite value or unquantifiable value because it has a quantifiable cost. There is nothing anti-intellectual about Ide's point, only pragmatic.

Yes, thank you.  That's exactly it.

It also has less quantifiably costly alternatives.
Kinemalogue
Current reviews: The 'Burbs (9/10); Gremlins 2: The New Batch (9/10); John Wick: Chapter 2 (9/10); A Cure For Wellness (4/10)

Ed Anger

Quote from: Ideologue on September 24, 2013, 08:56:33 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 24, 2013, 08:53:21 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on September 24, 2013, 08:52:57 PM
I saw that too, but I didn't post it, because I don't post articles about kapos.

HEY NOW

Oh drat.  I tried to delete that.  I thought it was a little mean. :(

Anyway, we all know you're ein kommandant. :hug:

:)

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