25 years old and deep in debt

[Admiral Yi]

(edit) oh, i think i see the confusion. my last sentence in the previous post: "adds to the statistics"? yeah, poor phrasing

That, and the rest of the paragraph before it. 

the fact remains that if someone tries hard enough they will find job. bottom of the class at a fourth tier university in san francisco can probably find a job if he sends out enough applications.

[LaCroix]

That, and the rest of the paragraph before it. 

the fact remains that if someone tries hard enough they will find job. bottom of the class at a fourth tier university in san francisco can probably find a job if he sends out enough applications.

yup. but that doesn't mean he will. there's also ways to pad the resume post-graduation with meaningful experience to help with the process, such as pro bono work or further internships. it would probably require a second job to pay the bills, but sometimes life isn't easy. i think some law students expect to be handed a job on a silver plate, then give up when they discover that might not actually happen

[Admiral Yi]

So....if someone tries hard enough he will find a job, but it doesn't mean he will find a job?

You've lost me.

[LaCroix]

So....if someone tries hard enough he will find a job, but it doesn't mean he will find a job?

You've lost me.

"but that doesn't mean he will try hard enough"

[Eddie Teach]

People shouldn't have to apply for 500 jobs to get one.

I applied for close to 300 before I got one, and I'm still applying for better ones, so 500 does not seem unrealistic.

Sure, and that's a sign that there's something wrong with the system.

[Admiral Yi]

La, are you a Buddhist or a Taoist?  This conversation has a kind of circular quality to it.

Please check one (and *only* one) of the following boxes:

[ ] I believe that every law school grad, if he were to try hard enough, could land a job in his field.

[ ] I believe that even if every law school grad were to try all the way to 11, there are still insufficient jobs in the field to consume the supply coming out of law schools.

[LaCroix]

La, are you a Buddhist or a Taoist?  This conversation has a kind of circular quality to it.

Please check one (and *only* one) of the following boxes:

[X] I believe that every law school grad, if he were to try hard enough, could land a job in his field.*

[ ] I believe that even if every law school grad were to try all the way to 11, there are still insufficient jobs in the field to consume the supply coming out of law schools.

*vast majority of cases. i mean, there are always extreme circumstances

every law school grad has a chance of landing a job in his field, if he tries hard enough. that there aren't enough jobs for every law school grad doesn't make the previous statement untrue. i'm looking at every individual's chance rather than the whole body of law grads

[sbr]

 

[Eddie Teach]

Every student can score in the top 30% on standardized tests. 

[LaCroix]

Every student can score in the top 30% on standardized tests. 

essentially, yes. i'm not sure about every standardized test, but the ones that can be learned through pure practice and hard work

[Malthus]

Every student can score in the top 30% on standardized tests. 

The Lake Wobegon of Law School Grads. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Wobegon#The_Lake_Wobegon_effect

"Every law school grad is above average".

...

The downside of the "every law school grad should put out 500 resumes" is that every law firm looking to hire gets 10,000-plus resumes ... and still only wants to hire (say) 1 person. The result is that resumes get triaged very roughly, making grades/prestige of school/inside contacts more important than perhaps they should be - simply because it is an easy way to cut that 10,000 into a managable 200 or so. Who wants to actually read 10,000 resumes?

Which means in a tight market that if your grades/school are not top notch, and you don't have handy connections with the firm, your chances are not great no matter how many resumes you put out and how cleverly they are written, as they are likely to go straight into the garbage without being read. 

[LaCroix]

The downside of the "every law school grad should put out 500 resumes" is that every law firm looking to hire gets 10,000-plus resumes ... and still only wants to hire (say) 1 person. The result is that resumes get triaged very roughly, making grades/prestige of school/inside contacts more important than perhaps they should be - simply because it is an easy way to cut that 10,000 into a managable 200 or so. Who wants to actually read 10,000 resumes?

Which means in a tight market that if your grades/school are not top notch, and you don't have handy connections with the firm, your chances are not great no matter how many resumes you put out and how cleverly they are written, as they are likely to go straight into the garbage without being read.

i agree completely, if we were discussing biglaw or midlaw. small-law, however? i promise you a defense attorney in grafton, north dakota isn't receiving hundreds of resumes. small firms that many overlook are everywhere. and i wasn't saying that our law grad could find a job solely within his market. i did say he might have to look elsewhere to other areas of the nation. it's going to be tough because that person would be competing with other graduates seeking employment with closer ties to the area, but it's not impossible

[Admiral Yi]

: bleeding:   

[LaCroix]

: bleeding:   

what!

[CountDeMoney]

Captain Mihali went to Harvard, so he can work in practically any jurisdiction or pharmacy he wants.