Federal appeals court strikes down FDA tobacco warning label law

[crazy canuck]

Pretty sure they know they are bad. Kinda like HVC said. I know its been a bit since I was a teen but already in the 90s we had lots of info pushed on us about how bad smoking was. And now with so many places where it is banned...

Yes when you were a teen it was pushed on you in the 90s.  The teenagers of today didnt get that info.  Is there a good public policy argument for not educating a new generation because it worked with the previous generation?

[HVC]

I'm all for edumacation*, and i'm pretty sure it's still pushed hard (i don't think anyone alive today doesn't know the harm of smoking). It's just that info on the packs don't do much, i don't think. If you've got the pack (first or otherwise) in your hand looking down at a picture won't make you go "eww, i'm not goiung to smoke this". Buying the cigarettes means you're past the point of consideration.


*in school, can't remember which grade, we had a demontration between a healthy sheeps lung and smokers sheeps lung. it "breathed" and everything. ALhtough my only thought was poor forced-to-smoke sheep.

[crazy canuck]

I'm all for edumacation*, and i'm pretty sure it's still pushed hard (i don't think anyone alive today doesn't know the harm of smoking). It's just that info on the packs don't do much, i don't think. If you've got the pack (first or otherwise) in your hand looking down at a picture won't make you go "eww, i'm not goiung to smoke this". Buying the cigarettes means you're past the point of consideration.


*in school, can't remember which grade, we had a demontration between a healthy sheeps lung and smokers sheeps lung. it "breathed" and everything. ALhtough my only thought was poor forced-to-smoke sheep.

Its a lot better than the bad old days when packages used to promote "light" cigarrettes as being more healthy.  You might be right that it would not affect hard core smokers but if it stops just one person from smoking isnt that enough?

[Capetan Mihali]

but if it stops just one person from smoking isnt that enough?

Why not put the packs in those hard plastic shells to make them really difficult to open?  Surely at least one person will throw it away in frustration, never start smoking, and it will all be worth it.

[crazy canuck]

but if it stops just one person from smoking isnt that enough?

Why not put the packs in those hard plastic shells to make them really difficult to open?  Surely at least one person will throw it away in frustration, never start smoking, and it will all be worth it.

Good idea.

[derspiess]

Or let's randomly shoot teens.  If it stops just one from smoking, that's a win!

[crazy canuck]

Or let's randomly shoot teens.  If it stops just one from smoking, that's a win!

A good example of why Republicans fail at public policy issues.

[garbon]

Pretty sure they know they are bad. Kinda like HVC said. I know its been a bit since I was a teen but already in the 90s we had lots of info pushed on us about how bad smoking was. And now with so many places where it is banned...

Yes when you were a teen it was pushed on you in the 90s.  The teenagers of today didnt get that info.  Is there a good public policy argument for not educating a new generation because it worked with the previous generation?

What evidence do you have that the teens of today didn't get such info? I grew up when there was still smoking in restaurants and yet learned all about the dangers of smoking in school.  With all the smoking bands nowadays and ads shown about dangers of smoking, why would we assumed that teens no less than I did then?

And my point was that I'm not sure why we need graphic images on cigarette packs to instruct teens.

[crazy canuck]

Pretty sure they know they are bad. Kinda like HVC said. I know its been a bit since I was a teen but already in the 90s we had lots of info pushed on us about how bad smoking was. And now with so many places where it is banned...

Yes when you were a teen it was pushed on you in the 90s.  The teenagers of today didnt get that info.  Is there a good public policy argument for not educating a new generation because it worked with the previous generation?

What evidence do you have that the teens of today didn't get such info?

I dont.  In fact my argument is that they do get the info and they should keep getting it.

[garbon]

Pretty sure they know they are bad. Kinda like HVC said. I know its been a bit since I was a teen but already in the 90s we had lots of info pushed on us about how bad smoking was. And now with so many places where it is banned...

Yes when you were a teen it was pushed on you in the 90s.  The teenagers of today didnt get that info.  Is there a good public policy argument for not educating a new generation because it worked with the previous generation?

What evidence do you have that the teens of today didn't get such info?

I dont.  In fact my argument is that they do get the info and they should keep getting it.

Teens here don't get very detailed information on their cigarette packs, so...

[derspiess]

I dont.  In fact my argument is that they do get the info and they should keep getting it.

I agree.  They're getting it in school and should continue to get it in school.  Lord knows I had it drilled into my head from 3rd grade thru 12th grade that smoking was bad.

[crazy canuck]

Teens here don't get very detailed information on their cigarette packs, so...

Perhaps that is part of the problem.  They dont get much detailed information about a lot of things they are putting into their bodies - to tie back to Josephus' comment.


I suppose the one good thing about these sorts of threads is that it makes me realize that the Canadian right and left agree on much compared to the US.

[garbon]

Perhaps that is part of the problem.  They dont get much detailed information about a lot of things they are putting into their bodies - to tie back to Josephus' comment.

So you're arguing that there is a significant group of individuals who have missed out on every warning out there about the danger of cigarettes but would pay attention if it was clearly marked on the package?

[garbon]

I dont.  In fact my argument is that they do get the info and they should keep getting it.

I agree.  They're getting it in school and should continue to get it in school.  Lord knows I had it drilled into my head from 3rd grade thru 12th grade that smoking was bad.

I'm not sure there is anyone here who said they shouldn't.

[crazy canuck]

Perhaps that is part of the problem.  They dont get much detailed information about a lot of things they are putting into their bodies - to tie back to Josephus' comment.

So you're arguing that there is a significant group of individuals who have missed out on every warning out there about the danger of cigarettes but would pay attention if it was clearly marked on the package?

Not what I am saying at all.  I am saying the more ways we can inform/convince people not to smoke the better.