The State of Affairs in Russia

[CountDeMoney]

One of them, is a freshly renovated monument in the Soviet military cemetary, with bright golden letters reading:
"Eternal gratitude and honor to the Soviet heroes who gave their life fighting the counter-revolution in 1956 for the freedom of the Hungarian people".

WTF?? 

So incredibly romantic

[Valmy]

And on the other side: Putin will lay wreaths for rememberence at two monuments. One of them, is a freshly renovated monument in the Soviet military cemetary, with bright golden letters reading:
"Eternal gratitude and honor to the Soviet heroes who gave their life fighting the counter-revolution in 1956 for the freedom of the Hungarian people".

The other one says "Eternal gratitude and honor to the Russian heroes who gave their life fighting the rebels in 1849 for the freedom of the Hungarian people"

[Tamas]

Well he ended up laying the wreath on the central piece of the larger installation which contains the 1956 memorial. Still iffy.

Meanwhile, to add further flavour to his visit, it has been revealed that one of the Ukrainian military units besieged in that town still being shelled and attacked despite the ceasefire, is from the Hungarian-dwelled border region of Ukraine, so odds are, plenty of poor (ethnic) Hungarians are about to be massacred by Russians, while the Russian President is being pampered and bowed to in Budapest.

[Valmy]

Like Orban gives a shit about the Hungarians.

[Admiral Yi]

How does the average Hungarian view '56 Tamas?

[Jacob]

How does the average Hungarian view '56 Tamas?

He wasn't born yet.

[Admiral Yi]

[Jacob]

[Tamas]

How does the average Hungarian view '56 Tamas?

Like I described, as a desperate heroic attempt to wrestle back control of our own fate.

The radicals of both ends like to apply a contemporary twist to it by blaming America for not coming to our aid (nuclear war surely was the better alternative for us, apparently). Opinion in the details are mixed if course, no wonder since it saw ex-nazis fight alongside modern liberals, but nobody with a public voice have a negative take on it.

Oh and that pro-Russia demonstration today only had like 50 idiots attending, luckily

[Zanza]

Well, hate to be a dick, Tamas, but the fact that you have not torn down a monument like this over the last 25 years means you are in fact little bitches.

We had a monument to the Soviet Army "liberating" Poland in 1945 (which is, shall we say, a much more ambiguous and shades-of-grey thing than the one you have) in one of Warsaw's squares but it is not returning to its spot after being sent to cleaners last year - the authorities said they will find a "more suitable spot for it".

There is a Soviet Memorial next to the Brandenburg Gate and the Reichstag and no one would even consider moving it.

[Syt]

Well, hate to be a dick, Tamas, but the fact that you have not torn down a monument like this over the last 25 years means you are in fact little bitches.

We had a monument to the Soviet Army "liberating" Poland in 1945 (which is, shall we say, a much more ambiguous and shades-of-grey thing than the one you have) in one of Warsaw's squares but it is not returning to its spot after being sent to cleaners last year - the authorities said they will find a "more suitable spot for it".

There is a Soviet Memorial next to the Brandenburg Gate and the Reichstag and no one would even consider moving it.

Does it celebrate the Soviet soldiers crushing the June 17th 1953 uprising?

[Admiral Yi]

Kapow!

[Valmy]

There is a Soviet Memorial next to the Brandenburg Gate and the Reichstag and no one would even consider moving it.

Well lets just say the circumstances in Germany and Poland are not entirely comparable.

[Zanza]

Well, hate to be a dick, Tamas, but the fact that you have not torn down a monument like this over the last 25 years means you are in fact little bitches.

We had a monument to the Soviet Army "liberating" Poland in 1945 (which is, shall we say, a much more ambiguous and shades-of-grey thing than the one you have) in one of Warsaw's squares but it is not returning to its spot after being sent to cleaners last year - the authorities said they will find a "more suitable spot for it".

There is a Soviet Memorial next to the Brandenburg Gate and the Reichstag and no one would even consider moving it.

Does it celebrate the Soviet soldiers crushing the June 17th 1953 uprising?

Well, you know it doesn't. But Marty referred to a 1945 memorial in Warsaw. That said, the Soviet Memorial is actually on the road called "Street of the 17th June", which could be considered a bit of a FU to the Soviets.

[Valmy]

The radicals of both ends like to apply a contemporary twist to it by blaming America for not coming to our aid (nuclear war surely was the better alternative for us, apparently).

See the Poles have a much more realistic whine about the Yalta conference, but even they understand the difference between an ally not entirely willing to sacrifice millions of men for you and an actual oppressor.