Racism alive and well in Mississippi:Black pipple can't marry in whitey's church

[garbon]

Also, I supported your crazy ass in the nepotism thread - why are you taking pot shots here?

Cause I dislike you shrill anti-religion screeds.

Of all the things Marty talks about, that's what you have a problem with?

Though certainly not his worst, his ant-religion stuff is pretty tiring.

[DGuller]

Polish priests preach to everyone.  There's a couple at Westminster Cathedral.

I think they do fine. 

How do they overcome the language barrier? 

[dps]

Did Poland have a Counter-Reformation Marti? Because I think priests are pretty educated everywhere the Jesuits got to.

We had Jesuits but they have always been fairly unpopular. Plus they were kicked out of the Russian Kingdom for a while in the 19th century.

Maybe the Russianness matters too? I wonder of there was a difference in style of Catholicism in, say, Austrian occupied Poland?

Especially keeping in mind that Russia was Orthodox, not Catholic.

[Maximus]

They're priests, not snake handlers.

What kind of an answer is that?

[Sheilbh]

What kind of an answer is that?

An honest one.  You want people proclaiming their personal connection to God go find a holy roller and watch your wallet.  A priesthood implies training, education, knowledge - I suppose a sort of professionalism.

How do they overcome the language barrier? 

They speak in English

[Maximus]

An honest one.

Hardly. You're imposing your own definition on the word and contrasting it with a pejorative.

[dps]

What kind of an answer is that?

An honest one.  You want people proclaiming their personal connection to God go find a holy roller and watch your wallet.  A priesthood implies training, education, knowledge - I suppose a sort of professionalism.

As far as watching your wallet goes, while the priests themselves take a vow of poverty, the Catholic Church as an institution isn't known for its lack of wealth.

[Sheilbh]

Hardly. You're imposing your own definition on the word and contrasting it with a pejorative.

You shouldn't be so down on low Church Protestantism

I don't think I'm imposing my meaning on the word, you're imposing a theological point on it.  Etymologically it comes from the Greek 'prebyster' which means elder.  The defining feature is not personal connection with God (that's perhaps more implied in the 'sacerdos' who was a sacrificing priest) but a quality of knowledge - it's for that we turn to elders.

For what it's worth I think the hints of Jesuitical smartness is part what made many low Church groups turn from the label of priest in favour of 'minister', 'pastor' or, indeed, 'presbyter'.  Being a 'priest' suggests something of the Pharisees rather than, as you say, a personal or communal  relationship with God.

[Sheilbh]

As far as watching your wallet goes, while the priests themselves take a vow of poverty, the Catholic Church as an institution isn't known for its lack of wealth.

No doubt.  Though, in fairness, I imagine most of that's in assets.  What little money they make, they make as any honest Roman would, by money laundering for the Mafia.  Ad maiorem Dei gloriam and all that

[dps]

For what it's worth I think the hints of Jesuitical smartness is part what made many low Church groups turn from the label of priest in favour of 'minister', 'pastor' or, indeed, 'presbyter'.  Being a 'priest' suggests something of the Pharisees rather than, as you say, a personal or communal  relationship with God.

OTOH, "priest" is also the term that would commonly be used for leaders of pagan religions.  And in this context, by "pagan" I mean tribal religious groups, not "pagan" as in classic Greco-Roman religion and certainly not in the sense of neo-pagans.

[Martinus]

Also, I supported your crazy ass in the nepotism thread - why are you taking pot shots here?

Cause I dislike you shrill anti-religion screeds.

Of all the things Marty talks about, that's what you have a problem with?

Though certainly not his worst, his ant-religion stuff is pretty tiring.

What's "ant-religion"?

[HVC]

Also, I supported your crazy ass in the nepotism thread - why are you taking pot shots here?

Cause I dislike you shrill anti-religion screeds.

Of all the things Marty talks about, that's what you have a problem with?

Though certainly not his worst, his ant-religion stuff is pretty tiring.

What's "ant-religion"?

The queen is the only god and hamilcar is her prophet

[Martinus]

Did Poland have a Counter-Reformation Marti? Because I think priests are pretty educated everywhere the Jesuits got to.

We had Jesuits but they have always been fairly unpopular. Plus they were kicked out of the Russian Kingdom for a while in the 19th century.

Maybe the Russianness matters too? I wonder of there was a difference in style of Catholicism in, say, Austrian occupied Poland?

Especially keeping in mind that Russia was Orthodox, not Catholic.

We are talking about Russia-occupied Poland. It was a part of the Russian Empire and it was Catholic.

[garbon]

Also, I supported your crazy ass in the nepotism thread - why are you taking pot shots here?

Cause I dislike you shrill anti-religion screeds.

Of all the things Marty talks about, that's what you have a problem with?

Though certainly not his worst, his ant-religion stuff is pretty tiring.

What's "ant-religion"?

[Razgovory]

Also, I supported your crazy ass in the nepotism thread - why are you taking pot shots here?

Cause I dislike you shrill anti-religion screeds.

Of all the things Marty talks about, that's what you have a problem with?

Yeah, funny me, taking offense at his casual talk of murder of large segments of the population.