Armstrong's luck running out?

[DGuller]

It's starting to look as if all the Eurofags were right about Lance and all the pigdogs were wrong.

I never had a doubt myself.  The advantages of doping, and the lack of ability to catch it, are so huge that incentives are just impossible to resist.  The problem is that if Armstrong's wins are stripped, then the wins would go to the highest finisher who hasn't yet been caught doping.

[alfred russel]

It's starting to look as if all the Eurofags were right about Lance and all the pigdogs were wrong.

I never had a doubt myself.  The advantages of doping, and the lack of ability to catch it, are so huge that incentives are just impossible to resist.  The problem is that if Armstrong's wins are stripped, then the wins would go to the highest finisher who hasn't yet been caught doping.

If Armstrong has his wins stripped, could he at least get a consolation prize for greatest doper ever? The guy somehow built a business empire from cycling of all things and dated an Olson twin. EPO has never been used more effectively.

[Admiral Yi]

It's starting to look as if all the Eurofags were right about Lance and all the pigdogs were wrong.

I never had a doubt myself.  The advantages of doping, and the lack of ability to catch it, are so huge that incentives are just impossible to resist.  The problem is that if Armstrong's wins are stripped, then the wins would go to the highest finisher who hasn't yet been caught doping.

[Razgovory]

DG's just projecting.  Doping is huge in the competitive actuary world.  When he almost died from blueberries you don't think he talking about real fruit do you?  That's street talk for number cruncher 'roids.

[Ed Anger]

DG's just projecting.  Doping is huge in the competitive actuary world.  When he almost died from blueberries you don't think he talking about real fruit do you?  That's street talk for number cruncher 'roids.

[The Minsky Moment]

I'm sorry, what is the jurisdictional basis for the USADA?  Who are these guys?  Are they fucking elected, or something?

For that matter, why should the state care if sporting contests are fair?  Are these state enterprises?

It's a AAA arbitration.  The basis is presumably Armstrong's membership in sport's organizations (like USA Triathalon) that agree to use the USADA doping rules.

[Neil]

It's starting to look as if all the Eurofags were right about Lance and all the pigdogs were wrong.

I never had a doubt myself.  The advantages of doping, and the lack of ability to catch it, are so huge that incentives are just impossible to resist.  The problem is that if Armstrong's wins are stripped, then the wins would go to the highest finisher who hasn't yet been caught doping.

Of course.  He's a cyclist, and there are no competitive cyclists who aren't doping.

[Scipio]

I'm sorry, what is the jurisdictional basis for the USADA?  Who are these guys?  Are they fucking elected, or something?

For that matter, why should the state care if sporting contests are fair?  Are these state enterprises?

It's a AAA arbitration.  The basis is presumably Armstrong's membership in sport's organizations (like USA Triathalon) that agree to use the USADA doping rules.

Yeah, but why do they have subpoena power and shit?  WTF?

[Iormlund]

Every time I hear about doping and cycling I remember something Miguel Indurain said in an interview back in the day. Asked what he wanted his kid to do, he answered: "anything but cycling".

[Liep]

Report: Hincapie, Leipheimer, Vande Velde, Zabriskie, Vaughters give evidence against Armstrong


Four former teammates of Lance Armstrong will receive six month bans after they confessed to doping and testified against the seven-time Tour de France winner, according to De Telegraaf.

George Hincapie, Levi Leipheimer, Christian Vande Velde and David Zabriskie are said to have given evidence in the USADA investigation which has charged Armstrong with doping. All four riders are currently taking part in the Tour de France, but in recent weeks, USA Cycling revealed they opted not to be considered for the Olympic Games.

Today's report, which is front-page news, also names Garmin-Sharp boss Jonathan Vaughters. It is not clear whether Vaughters too will face suspension.

"Miraculously, USADA has arranged for the suspensions to begin at the start at the end of the season so that they are able to race both the Tour de France and the Vuelta a Espana," the article states.

In mid June, USADA formally charged Armstrong with doping with the use of evidence gathered in the investigation into potential doping on the United States Postal Service (USPS) (1996-2004), Discovery Channel (2005-2007), Astana (2009) and RadioShack (2010) cycling teams. Johan Bruyneel, Dr. Pedro Celaye, Dr. Luis Garcia del Moral, Dr. Michele Ferrari, and Mr. Pepe Marti are also accused of a variety of doping violations, from the administration of doping products, trafficking, assisting and abetting and covering up.

Within the 15-page letter detailing the charges, USADA pointed to 10 witnesses to the alleged conduct, made up of cyclists and cycling team employees, but until now their identities remained secret.

[Grey Fox]

Seriously, does anyone care about it?

[DGuller]

Armstrong won't fight USADA's charges in arbitration! Gripping lawyer fight over USADA's jurisdiction is to follow.

[Razgovory]

Seriously, does anyone care about it?

I never cared.

[CountDeMoney]

Seriously, does anyone care about it?

The Euros certainly will, since they just stripped him of all 7 Tour de France titles.

[jimmy olsen]

So, has anyone actually won a Tour de France title in the last 20 years?