Falling incomes helping to reduce chid poverty

[PJL]

From the BBC

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18436795

Child poverty down as household income drops


The number of children living in poverty in the UK fell by 300,000 last year as household incomes dropped, official figures have revealed.

In 2010-11, 18% of children (2.3 million) lived in households classed as below the poverty line - a 2% drop.

This was because the measure is based on median incomes which also went down.

The Children's Society welcomed "the lowest poverty level since the mid-1980s" but said that may be reversed by "drastic cuts to support and services".

The government, meanwhile, says drug addiction, homelessness and unemployment should be considered as well as income when defining child poverty.
UK income drop

The government's Households Below Average Income statistics define child poverty as children living in homes taking in less than 60% of the median UK income.

The median - the middle figure in a set of numbers - for 2010-2011 was £419 a week, down from £432 the year before.
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As a result, the level of household income which defines "in poverty" fell from £259, in 2009-2010, to £251 a week, the following year.

The BBC's Mark Easton said that explained why 300,000 fewer children were classed as living in poverty.

A fall in income throughout society in tough economic times has meant that thousands of families have been lifted above the poverty line without their circumstances changing at all.

The figures show ministers have a long way to go to meet a target set by the previous Labour government - and enshrined in the 2010 Child Poverty Act - to eliminate poverty by 2020.

And they mean a target set by Labour 10 years ago - when 3.4 million were living in poverty - to halve that figure by 2010/2011 was missed by about 600,000.

The Children's Society said that, while action since 2000 had "pulled 1.1 million children out of poverty", current levels were still "a scar on our national conscience".
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Case study

Jessica May lives with her disabled husband and one-year-old son in a rented home in Coventry.

Despite struggling financially, she questions the current definition of poverty.

"Compared to where I grew up in South Africa, people here are ridiculously wealthy.

"In Africa if you do not work, you do not eat. It is normal to see children walking to school without shoes on and digging for food in the dustbins.

"Poverty there is also the fear that you are replaceable if you do not turn up for work. There is no protection.

"The British government want to change the way poverty is measured, but if you choose to buy alcohol or drugs, you choose to put yourself into poverty.

"The poverty we live under is mental poverty, not true poverty."

"It is shameful that over the coming decade this progress is likely to be reversed by the government's drastic cuts to support and services for the country's most vulnerable children and families," chief executive Matthew Reed said.

Save the Children chief executive Justin Forsyth said the government should focus "not on changing definitions but on policies that work, like the living wage, affordable child care and on early education programmes targeted at low-income families".

The Joseph Rowntree Foundation said "breaking the crippling low pay, no pay cycle that keeps so many working families in poverty would be a welcome start".

Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith said the government remained committed to the Child Poverty Act targets but that it was "increasingly clear that poverty is not about income alone".

Speaking at a community centre in London, he said it was "perverse" that "the simplest way of reducing child poverty is to collapse the economy".

He said a consultation later in the year would look at new ways of measuring child poverty taking into account problems like unemployment, family breakdown and addiction.

"Unless we find a way of properly measuring changes to children's life chances, rather than the present measurement of income alone, we risk repeating the failures of the past," he added.

He said Labour's strategy of putting "vast amounts of money" into benefits to try to push families above the poverty line had failed.

He pledged the government's universal credit - which will replace a series of benefits and tax credits - would pull the "vast majority" of young people out of poverty if at least one parent worked 35 hours a week at the minimum wage. The figure would be 24 hours for a lone parent.

Labour shadow work and pensions secretary Liam Byrne, meanwhile, said: "Behind [Prime Minister David] Cameron's promises we learn today that those parents and their children will now be abandoned and told, 'you are on your own'."

Who whould have thought that by destroying the economy would help to reduce child poverty eh. Note the flatness of the rate until 2007/8 and the fall afterwards. And median incomes have essently returned to levels last seen 10 years ago.

[The Brain]

To the Socialists only difference matters, not absolute levels. This has always been so.

[jimmy olsen]

That's pretty fucked up. At least here in the US there are dollar benchmarks that indicate these levels.

[mongers]

That's pretty fucked up. At least here in the US there are dollar benchmarks that indicate these levels.

That on the face of it seems a more sensible approach, given that food prices in the last few years have outperformed general inflation and children aren't eating any less, so almost by definition the lowest income deciles families will probably be struggling more on their modest means.

[Sheilbh]

I think both are useful, the actual figure makes more sense in times like this when the cost-of-living is generally rising but the percentage approach more accurately reflects social and economic change, which is appropriate.

[Scipio]

If you've enjoyed the measure of poverty half as much as I have, then I've enjoyed it twice as much as you have.

[Richard Hakluyt]

Hopefully the great recession will continue, if it does we can probably eliminate child poverty in the UK by 2030 

[mongers]

Hopefully the great recession will continue, if it does we can probably eliminate child poverty in the UK by 2030 

Is that because consequently children will be 'eliminated' ?   

[Ideologue]

Jessica May lives with her disabled husband and one-year-old son in a rented home in Coventry.

Despite struggling financially, she questions the current definition of poverty.

"Compared to where I grew up in South Africa, people here are ridiculously wealthy.

"In Africa if you do not work, you do not eat. It is normal to see children walking to school without shoes on and digging for food in the dustbins.

"Poverty there is also the fear that you are replaceable if you do not turn up for work. There is no protection.

"The British government want to change the way poverty is measured, but if you choose to buy alcohol or drugs, you choose to put yourself into poverty.

"The poverty we live under is mental poverty, not true poverty."

Right, things could always be worse, so therefore things must actually be great.  FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS, THIRD WORLD LOGIC.

[Scipio]

Jessica May lives with her disabled husband and one-year-old son in a rented home in Coventry.

Despite struggling financially, she questions the current definition of poverty.

"Compared to where I grew up in South Africa, people here are ridiculously wealthy.

"In Africa if you do not work, you do not eat. It is normal to see children walking to school without shoes on and digging for food in the dustbins.

"Poverty there is also the fear that you are replaceable if you do not turn up for work. There is no protection.

"The British government want to change the way poverty is measured, but if you choose to buy alcohol or drugs, you choose to put yourself into poverty.

"The poverty we live under is mental poverty, not true poverty."

Right, things could always be worse, so therefore things must actually be great.  FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS, THIRD WORLD LOGIC.

Emancipate yourself from mental poverty
Only we can free our minds....

[Eddie Teach]

Right, things could always be worse, so therefore things must actually be great.  FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS, THIRD WORLD LOGIC.

Makes more sense than being upset because things could always be better.

[Martinus]

I like the recent trend in these things. The US eliminates civilian casualties by redefining enemy combatants, the UK eliminates child poverty by redefing the poverty line. What's next? All unemployed people are redefined as long term unpaid staycation beneficiaries?

[Syt]

I like the recent trend in these things. The US eliminates civilian casualties by redefining enemy combatants, the UK eliminates child poverty by redefing the poverty line. What's next? All unemployed people are redefined as long term unpaid staycation beneficiaries?

Unemployment statistics have been tampered for, well, a VERY long time. Not counting people who are in training/education courses sponsored by unemployment agencies, not counting the ones who are "hard to bring back into the market" (e.g. old or decrepit ones), etc.