It's morning in Wisconsin

[derspiess]

[KRonn]

Wow. 23 pages already! Pretty interesting vote in Wisconsin, I support them knocking the Public sector unions back. I see in the news that yesterday voters in San Jose and San Diego voted for heavy public sector pension reform, 60s and 70s percent in favor. New York has done some reform, probably not too much, same as Massachusetts. Many states and cities in trouble affording some of this stuff. Fed unions don't have collective bargaining, a law signed by Pres Carter no less.

[Valmy]

It was a great victory.

Obama is done. It is time to restore America.

I am not sure how electing the Republicans is going to help much.  But sure put them in there again why not?  Fool Siege once shame on you but fool him six or seven times....

[derspiess]

It was a great victory.

Obama is done. It is time to restore America.

I am not sure how electing the Republicans is going to help much.  But sure put them in there again why not?  Fool Siege once shame on you but fool him six or seven times....

We'll get it right this time.  Trust us

[Zoupa]

I know, right? A foreigner interested and trying to understand your dysfunctional and retarded system: hilarious!

Yi: I don't know what charter and parochial schools mean.

My understanding of vouchers was that you give parents "school money coupons" which they then spend wherever they choose. Mistaken?

[DGuller]

Is Berkut running for office in New Jersey?

  You're doing the distancing thing wrong.

What are you talking about then?

[Hansmeister]

In Sweden private schools can either take vouchers (which are the same amount that the public schools get) or charge tuition (which can be any amount). They cannot do both.

Well, that's just super;  I'm sure the Burroughs School will be more than willing to accept vouchers in the same amount as the $4,902 the St Louis public school system receives per student. 

Elaborate.

Private schools here will never accept vouchers equal to what the public schools get, because the tuition they charge is always substantially higher.  Your universal all-schools-get-the-same-amount-in-Sweden voucher model would never be accepted here.

Oh look, it's retard-boy again.  Inner-city public school spending per pupil is substatially higher than all but the most elite private schools, my daughter's private school spends about half of what the public schools spend.

In the few existing voucher programs the vouchers are substantially lower than what public schools get per students because Union controlled Democrats want to make sure black kids are forever trapped in school systems that leave them without basic skills to survive on their own so that they stay the good little slaves that the Democrats want them to be.  The Democrats are still all about controlling black people, nothing has changed on that front.

[Tonitrus]

I was bored...

Baltimore Public Schools: $5000 ($5155 next year)

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-pupil-funding-20120313,0,7736671.story

Arlington Baptist School, Baltimore: $6450

http://www.arlingtonbaptistschool.org/Forms/2011-2012_Fee_Schedule.pdf

Archbishop Borders Elementary School, Baltimore: $5100 ($4800 tuition+$300 for books, registration, and archdiocese fees.)

http://www.abbschool.com/about_us.html#tuitplans

And to be equal, lets throw in a Jewish girl's school...

Bais Yaakov School for girls, in Owing Mills: $7855 - $9585 (depending on grade)

http://www.baisyaakov.net/about-bais-yaakov/fact-sheet

But to be fair, I scanned a few others that came in around the $5000 level, and as high as $14-15,000.  Point is, certainly not "substantially more".

[Berkut]

The argument about telling students to just "go to a different, better school" is simplistic and dumb. There is such a thing as logistics.

Are you guys really gonna run a new bus line for the smart students from the inner-city to your burbs? 

Why not?

Right now the school bus system in the Rochester area is at least attempted to be somewhat universal - the thinking is that the busses are paid for by taxes, and everyone pays taxes, even those who send their kids to private schools. Someone who lives on my street with a son my sons age and goes to the local Catholic school gets on the bus with my son, takes it to the junior high, then gets on another bus to take him to the private school, which isn't even located in the same school district at all.

Obviously there are limits to this (timing and all) but it is hardly an insurmountable issue.

[Tonitrus]

Also, for fun, I looked up the spending-per-student of one of the high schools in my own home, Bellevue (WA) School District.  Bellevue is certainly not "inner-city", and I would say it's a 'rich, white suburb" if it weren't almost 40% Asian (at least, those are the enrollment numbers for said high school).  It came in right about at $10,000 per.

[Admiral Yi]

I know, right? A foreigner interested and trying to understand your dysfunctional and retarded system: hilarious!

Yi: I don't know what charter and parochial schools mean.

My understanding of vouchers was that you give parents "school money coupons" which they then spend wherever they choose. Mistaken?

A parochial school is a school run by the Catholic parish.  A charter school is a private, non-profit school in jurisdictions that allow them.  They compete with the public school system for students.

I believe the "wherever they choose" part is mistaken.  I've never heard, for example, of parents using vouchers to pay part of the tuition at exclusive New England boarding schools. 

[Berkut]

I genuinely and honestly hope that Berkut loses his job and can't get another one.  I wished that on others of you, but many of you have wealthy families to help.

I don't think there's anything that can be said in response to this that actually would make your post look even worse than it already is. 

So?  I never came here to win popularity contests.  Riddle me this, why should I have any warm feelings toward Berkut?

He's a human being and not particularly evil?

He despises me, why shouldn't I return the favor?

I'm not sure that's the case and in any event not sure why you'd want his children to have to suffer (which they would do if he couldn't find work).

Wow, Raz has really jumped the shark. Every now and again I see his posts in a response like this, and I think "Man, I sure am glad I put him on ignore".

Thanks for the kind sentiment Raz. While I won't take you off ignore, I will say I have never wished anything ill upon you of any kind. Sorry the feeling is not mutual.

[Berkut]

Also, for fun, I looked up the spending-per-student of one of the high schools in my own home, Bellevue (WA) School District.  Bellevue is certainly not "inner-city", and I would say it's a 'rich, white suburb" if it weren't almost 40% Asian (at least, those are the enrollment numbers for said high school).  It came in right about at $10,000 per.

Monroe County in 2010 averaged just over $18.000/year.

[Admiral Yi]

When I was living in DC the spending per pupil was something like 13K.

I'm having a hard time swallowing 5K/year in Baltimore.

[Tonitrus]

When I was living in DC the spending per pupil was something like 13K.

I'm having a hard time swallowing 5K/year in Baltimore.

Yeah, after doing more looking around, I am seeing wildly varying figures on per-pupil costs.  The article cites $5000...a website (that appears to support school choice) cites something like $13,000.