NCAA Football '12-13

[Valmy]

Why not Marshall, at least in some years?  What makes them less suitable than say, Bowling Green?

Any team you play every year, particularly a hated rival, is going to be a tougher out than they normally would be.

[derspiess]

I think WVU has more than enough games on its schedule to compete for a BCS bid, and I think Marshall is a great tune-up game early in the season for them (after Maryland, of course).

Marshall's a distraction, and a "gotcha" game waiting to happen.  Nobody at WVU wants the game.  The only reason it continued as long as it did is that Manchin forced it on WVU.

While you're correct that the series only existed because Manchin forced it on WVU, why would it be any more of a "gotcha" game than any other game between a team from a power conference and a team from a lower-tier FBS conference?

I mean, it's pretty clear what WVU's schedule is going to look like going forward (assuming that the Big 12 keeps a 9-game conference schedule, and the NCAA keeps FBS teams at 12 games a season)--they're going to play 9 conference games, a game against a team from another power conference (apparantly Maryland), a game against an FCS team, and one other, which will probably be a game against a lower-tier FBS conference.  Why not Marshall, at least in some years?  What makes them less suitable than say, Bowling Green?

Marshall has a fanbase and boosters that would be perfectly happy with a 1-11 record if that one win was against WVU.  WVU really has nothing to gain from the game.  If they win, well big f-ing deal they beat Marshall.  If they lose-- bad things, man.  Bad things.

But like I sorta said I'd be okay personally with continuing the series in some fashion.  It's a fun game for me.

[derspiess]

DON'T PATRONIZE ME.

Speaking of which, I saw where the Towson-Delaware game on 11/3 is going to be televised on NBCSN.

Screw Maryland-WVU or Ravens-Bengals.  IT'S ON

[CountDeMoney]

Speaking of which, I saw where the Towson-Delaware game on 11/3 is going to be televised on NBCSN.

Screw Maryland-WVU or Ravens-Bengals.  IT'S ON

LOL, Battle of the Heavyweights! Let's see what the line is that week, and maybe we can talk some ducats, eh?

[dps]

A comment I heard recently about the interim coach at Arkansas:  "There's a reason he's not named John W. Smith". 

[Valmy]

A comment I heard recently about the interim coach at Arkansas:  "There's a reason he's not named John W. Smith". 

That was a damn coach hiring mistake.

[Rasputin]

I think WVU has more than enough games on its schedule to compete for a BCS bid, and I think Marshall is a great tune-up game early in the season for them (after Maryland, of course).

Marshall's a distraction, and a "gotcha" game waiting to happen.  Nobody at WVU wants the game.  The only reason it continued as long as it did is that Manchin forced it on WVU.

While you're correct that the series only existed because Manchin forced it on WVU, why would it be any more of a "gotcha" game than any other game between a team from a power conference and a team from a lower-tier FBS conference?

I mean, it's pretty clear what WVU's schedule is going to look like going forward (assuming that the Big 12 keeps a 9-game conference schedule, and the NCAA keeps FBS teams at 12 games a season)--they're going to play 9 conference games, a game against a team from another power conference (apparantly Maryland), a game against an FCS team, and one other, which will probably be a game against a lower-tier FBS conference.  Why not Marshall, at least in some years?  What makes them less suitable than say, Bowling Green?

Marshall has a fanbase and boosters that would be perfectly happy with a 1-11 record if that one win was against WVU.  WVU really has nothing to gain from the game.  If they win, well big f-ing deal they beat Marshall.  If they lose-- bad things, man.  Bad things.

But like I sorta said I'd be okay personally with continuing the series in some fashion.  It's a fun game for me.

for fsu a good season is defined as wins over the gators and canes; 2 and 9 would be acceptable if those two wins were against miami and florida

last season was considered "special" because we also had a win over the irish who, it appears, will soon be returning to our regular schedule

[grumbler]

Grumbler didn't know about the grant of rights the Big 12 schools signed with the new TV deal and was talking about the Big 12 being shaky and whatnot. 

See, that's what is so funny: you are throwing around personal insults based entirely on this strawman.  And you continue to throw the insults even though you now know it is a strawman.  I thought I would get tired of your little hissy fit by now, but I haven't.

[MadBurgerMaker]

See, that's what is so funny: you are throwing around personal insults based entirely on this strawman.  And you continue to throw the insults even though you now know it is a strawman.  I thought I would get tired of your little hissy fit by now, but I haven't.

Incredible.  I basically spelled it out for you in that post, but you still haven't figured out why you got called a douchebag.  Here's a hint:  It's because you were (and still are) being a douchebag.

And no, you didn't know a damn thing about that GoR, because what you said in your initial posts didn't make a bit of sense in a situation where one is involved.  Not knowing something, however, doesn't mean you are being a douchebag.  Being a douchebag means you're being a douchebag.  Is that clear enough for you, douchebag?



E:  Oh, for the actual topic: Old Man Osborne is retiring from Nebraska.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8427343/nebraska-cornhuskers-ad-tom-osborne-going-retire

[Valmy]

Man...he comes in and radically changes the direction of the school then retires?  An admission his decisions were the wrong ones I guess.

[OttoVonBismarck]

Man...he comes in and radically changes the direction of the school then retires?  An admission his decisions were the wrong ones I guess.

I don't know that I'd read it that way. I think Osborne has made the right moves for Nebraska in terms of money making and setting them up in that regard.

Now, what Nebraska fans really care about is winning football games. I don't know that Osborne has hurt or helped that effort. The problem with the Nebraska fan base is they think they should be winning multiple national championships per decade as they did over the 10 year period prior to 2000. Because of developments in college football I don't really know that Nebraska has the ability to do that anymore. A lot of the best players seem to come from the South, and relative parity across FBS versus the days of old means a lot of kids from the South (Nebraska used to have a major recruiting line in Louisiana) who don't get recruited by Alabama or Florida are getting grabbed up by schools like Arkansas, Ole Miss, Auburn and LSU.

If you look at Nebraska's state population and location, it really never made sense they were so good for so long, and I'm not sure Osborne could do anything to correct the situation. I'd expect Nebraska over the next 30 years to perform about the same as Iowa.

[Eddie Teach]

An ambitious fan base is still a nice asset though. Alabama most likely wouldn't be winning national championships if they hadn't ponied the money up for Saban. The reason they did so is largely because, since Bryant, their fans have had overly high expectations for their team's performance.

So if Nebraska has an attitude that they can win national championships and is willing to back it up, they can recruit out-of-state students and remain competitive. Players have a lot of different motivations, many will be quite willing to go a thousand miles from home to play for a "winner".

[Valmy]

Well yeah that was my point.  When they were in the Big XII they had access to Texas recruits and the fall off in recruiting Texas kids was swift and dramatic.  What do they have to replace it with?  The Big 10 states are already picked pretty clean by the local schools and are generally not exacty super recruiting hotbeds.  And is a Michigan, Ohio, or Pennsylvania kid really going to choose Nebraska?  Maybe but not in the numbers they need to compete for national titles.  I think they doomed themselves to being a second rate football program.  Perhaps a well funded one however.

[Valmy]

An ambitious fan base is still a nice asset though. Alabama most likely wouldn't be winning national championships if they hadn't ponied the money up for Saban. The reason they did so is largely because, since Bryant, their fans have had overly high expectations for their team's performance.

So if Nebraska has an attitude that they can win national championships and is willing to back it up, they can recruit out-of-state students and remain competitive. Players have a lot of different motivations, many will be quite willing to go a thousand miles from home to play for a "winner".

Yeah but Alabama is in a football hotbed.  I mean it was not like that program was in any serious danger of declining they just had a few bad hires and some sanctions and that happens to everybody.  There was no need by Bama to bring in kids from thousands of miles.  Their demographic and geographic situation is fantastic.  I do not really see how that is an indicator that is positive for Nebraska....quite the opposite in my view.

[Eddie Teach]

It's a matter of success breeds confidence & expectations which breed more success. Alabama's not any better situated than Georgia, Tennessee, Auburn or Ole Miss. But they've got double the national championships of those schools combined. Nebraska may fade out like Minnesota did, but right now they still have a reputation as a good football school. That's very helpful in regards to remaining a good football school.