Hawaii verifies Obama birth records to Arizona

[Valmy]

Then how do you interpret Raz's comment about being shocked?

Ok maybe Raz is.  Either way I am not interpreting his posts

[Razgovory]

We did?  A Primary for what?  I don't think any of the Presidential candidates openly endorsed birtherism, but Bachman and Gingrich both humored the birthers with talk of "Kenyan mindset", and birth certificates.

Also I never said that birtherism was very clever.  It's too obvious to most people.

[derspiess]

Obama apparently told a bad Polack joke or something:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100161347/barack-obama-has-insulted-38-million-poles-with-his-crass-and-ignorant-polish-death-camp-remark/

He must be tired-- there's no other explanation for making such a gaffe.  He needs some vay-cay- time.  Maybe he can get away from the 57 states & head out to the Maldivesvinas for a few days.

[Valmy]

I get the rest of that but where did the 57 state thing come from? 

[Razgovory]

Obama apparently told a bad Polack joke or something:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100161347/barack-obama-has-insulted-38-million-poles-with-his-crass-and-ignorant-polish-death-camp-remark/

He must be tired-- there's no other explanation for making such a gaffe.  He needs some vay-cay- time.  Maybe he can get away from the 57 states & head out to the Maldivesvinas for a few days.

Maybe he knows Marty.

[Razgovory]

I get the rest of that but where did the 57 state thing come from? 

Republican "evidence" that Obama is an idiot.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/57states.asp

[Valmy]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100161347/barack-obama-has-insulted-38-million-poles-with-his-crass-and-ignorant-polish-death-camp-remark

Wow Obama really hates Poland.  What is up with Democrats insulting Poland?  First John Kerry and now this guy.

[Ed Anger]

Poland wants to be forgotten now.

[DGuller]

Nobody is claiming that.

Then how do you interpret Raz's comment about being shocked?

Looked pretty clear to me.  He was shocked because you said what someone on the right would say.  I don't see where in the world you got the implication that you were a racist, or that people skeptical of racist connection to birtherism are racists.

[Valmy]

Republican "evidence" that Obama is an idiot.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/57states.asp

Well that is a pretty bad gaff.  If Bush had done that you would have had a field day.

[derspiess]

I get the rest of that but where did the 57 state thing come from? 

Republican "evidence" that Obama is an idiot.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/57states.asp

That link does not disprove what you think it does.  He did say 57 states.

[DGuller]

Republican "evidence" that Obama is an idiot.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/57states.asp

Well that is a pretty bad gaff.  If Bush had done that you would have had a field day.

I disagree, that's not really a bad gaffe at all.  A bad gaffe is the kind that is even remotely plausible, and that reinforces stereotypes.  The comment about clinging to guns and religion was a pretty bad gaffe.  On the other hand, if you seriously entertain the notion that Obama believes there are 57 states in US, then you are more stupid than you think Obama is.  Everyone who speaks long enough eventually trips up.

[Valmy]

I disagree, that's not really a bad gaffe at all.

Oh come on.  Howard Dean's entire political career was ruined when he screamed once and he only named the states, he didn't say something stupid.

And oh for godsake.  I have Berkut telling me I am brainwashed by the Demoncrats and then I have DG insisting I am more stupid than I think Obama is.  For the record I could never get into Harvard no matter how much affirmative action demanded more Texans.

[Admiral Yi]

Looked pretty clear to me.  He was shocked because you said what someone on the right would say.  I don't see where in the world you got the implication that you were a racist, or that people skeptical of racist connection to birtherism are racists.

Fair enough, but this is just a variation on the same theme: the only people who don't think birther = racist are those with an ulterior motive.

[derspiess]

I disagree, that's not really a bad gaffe at all.  A bad gaffe is the kind that is even remotely plausible, and that reinforces stereotypes.  The comment about clinging to guns and religion was a pretty bad gaffe. 

Bad gaffes are just gaffes that are harmful or embarrassing, and it's up for debate as to whether the "57 states" gaffe is particularly bad or not (I don't think it's the end of the world, but still pretty amusing).  The "bitter clingers" thing was not a gaffe as I understand the definition of the term-- he meant to say what he said.