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Started by Habbaku, May 09, 2012, 12:14:59 PM

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Habbaku

#1110
June 21, 2012, 10:08:30 AM
Spain cannot ally with the Protestants...
The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people.
-J. R. R. Tolkien

Habbaku

#1111
June 21, 2012, 10:09:42 AM
No announcements from me regardless.
The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people.
-J. R. R. Tolkien

Drakken

#1112
June 21, 2012, 01:05:18 PM
HRE accepts the offer of alliance with Spain.
HRE offers his mercenaries to the Protestants, at a price.

Berkut

#1113
June 21, 2012, 01:42:25 PM
Sorry Drakken, forgot all about your mercs.

Spain will offer 1 card draw to the HRE in return for all 4 mercs - assuming nobody prior to the HRE in the announcement order objects to my our of turn offer.

If you want to offer them to the Prots instead, you will need to make a specific offer, or just offer then for "nothing" if you guys already arranged something.
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garbon

#1114
June 21, 2012, 01:45:03 PM
Yes, he meant to offer for nothing. He hasn't got the hang yet of said declarations.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Tamas

#1115
June 21, 2012, 01:49:42 PM
BTW, I will not declare any wars and unless somebody pulls a surprise, I will not have any SD either.

Drakken

#1116
June 21, 2012, 02:05:38 PM Last Edit: June 21, 2012, 02:07:30 PM by Drakken
Quote from: garbon on June 21, 2012, 01:45:03 PM
Yes, he meant to offer for nothing. He hasn't got the hang yet of said declarations.

Okey, now I am mixed up. Last time I get flak because I declare the offered payment, and now I get flak because I don't?

Of course, it's in exchange of payment; I don't give my mercs for free. So what exactly can or can't I declare for my mercs?

garbon

#1117
June 21, 2012, 02:11:03 PM
Quote from: Drakken on June 21, 2012, 02:05:38 PM
Quote from: garbon on June 21, 2012, 01:45:03 PM
Yes, he meant to offer for nothing. He hasn't got the hang yet of said declarations.

Okey, now I am mixed up. Last time I get flak because I declare the offered payment, and now I get flak because I don't?

Of course, it's in exchange of payment; I don't give my mercs for free. So what exactly can or can't I declare for my mercs?

Oh I wasn't complaining. Presumably you'd just say here - offering Protestant mercenaries in exchange for card draw.

Both of those are items that change the game state in this phase.

Last time, the agreement was that I was going to play a card for you - however because that didn't change the game state at that time (card didn't get played till action phase) then the latter piece didn't need mentioning.

This time, you went with something vague that hinted at some later arrangement like before.

Here's the exact text on that.

QuoteNon-Binding Agreements
The only portion of an agreement that is binding between powers
is the portion that changes the current game state. Since items such
as a diplomatic action on a future turn, a promised card play, or
a coordinated movement of troops can't be executed at this time,
they do not change the current game state and are examples of a
non-binding portion of an agreement. Non-binding agreements can
be made at any time between players but they are never announced
and there is never any repercussion within the game mechanics for
breaking them (though there might be some repercussions at your
gaming table!).
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Drakken

#1118
June 21, 2012, 02:32:43 PM Last Edit: June 21, 2012, 02:34:21 PM by Drakken
That's what I was meaning: Mercs offered to Protestants in exchange of a card draw.

In case of the refusal, HRE will accept Spain's offer of a card draw in payment of the mercs.

ulmont

#1119
June 21, 2012, 02:43:10 PM Last Edit: June 21, 2012, 02:53:07 PM by ulmont
Quote from: Drakken on June 21, 2012, 02:32:43 PM
That's what I was meaning: Mercs offered to Protestants in exchange of a card draw.

In case of the refusal, HRE will accept Spain's offer of a card draw in payment of the mercs.

Drakken, you can't make a contingent deal like that, for two reasons.  First, the Protestants would accept well after you refused the Spanish offer.  Second:

QuoteConditional announcements (i.e., ones where you place a caveat on whether or not an agreement goes through based on the diplomatic actions of powers coming after you in Impulse Order) are not permitted in any form.

So, to be clear, as the HRE, with a Spanish offer on the table, you only have two options with the mercs:

1) Accept the Spanish deal; or
2) Decline the Spanish deal and propose a deal for the Protestants to accept or decline.

Drakken

#1120
June 21, 2012, 03:25:06 PM Last Edit: June 21, 2012, 03:28:59 PM by Drakken
Allright, although I'll be plain: this particular rule sucks, as diplomatic actions are offered in order of impulse and not simutaneously and thus those who speak later have to accept or refuse. But that's my opinion.

HRE refuses Spain's deal, and propose the mercs to the Protestants for a card draw.

garbon

#1121
June 21, 2012, 04:11:13 PM
Protestants accept mercs and grant card draw to HRE.  4 mercs appear in Antwerp. File sent.

Anyone have declarations of war?
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Habbaku

#1122
June 21, 2012, 04:17:34 PM
Non.
The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people.
-J. R. R. Tolkien

Habbaku

#1123
June 21, 2012, 04:39:23 PM
Quote from: Drakken on June 21, 2012, 03:25:06 PM
Allright, although I'll be plain: this particular rule sucks, as diplomatic actions are offered in order of impulse and not simutaneously and thus those who speak later have to accept or refuse. But that's my opinion.

You would have nothing but utter and complete chaos if the rules were structured to allow simultaneous offers.  The secret diplomacy combined with the sequence of offers is meant to eliminate that.
The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people.
-J. R. R. Tolkien

garbon

#1124
June 21, 2012, 04:42:49 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on June 21, 2012, 04:17:34 PM
Non.

Why aren't you declaring war on England, your natural adversary?
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.
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