Bismark: The Final Countdown

[jimmy olsen]

That'd be the same problem with the Nimitz...sure the F-14s could splash Zero's at will, but when they run out of missiles and ammo, they're just glorified recon planes.

Though it would probably be quite simple for 1941 U.S.A. to replicate the cannon ammo on the F-14s, the missiles would take a bit more work.

That, and the disparity with this analogy....the U.S.A. won anyway, Nimitz or no.   

The Nimitz air group would run out of jet fuel before running out of 20mm (that's what the phalaxes used as well, and the carrier had an essentially infinite supply).

The Bismarck, though, has a finite number of 15" shells - around 200 salvos' worth.  Once that's gone, she is done.

The Germany of 1916 is unable to copy and recreate her shells? What is so special about them?

[grumbler]

The Germany of 1916 is unable to copy and recreate her shells? What is so special about them?

The Battle of Jutland would be looooong over by the time the Germany of 1916 reverse-engineered some shells for the Bismarck! 

[jimmy olsen]

The Germany of 1916 is unable to copy and recreate her shells? What is so special about them?

The Battle of Jutland would be looooong over by the time the Germany of 1916 reverse-engineered some shells for the Bismarck! 

Well, yes that's true. But surely the Bismark would return to Germany with the rest of the fleet before running out of ammunition.

[PDH]

Why the fuck is this, or any other, what if, important?  The answer is simple - it isn't.  Tim is a retard.

[jimmy olsen]

Why the fuck is this, or any other, what if, important? 

Why does it have to be important? It's fun to talk about, that's all that matters. Most things that are fun are not that important.

[Darth Wagtaros]

The Nazi crew of the Bismark sink the boat rather than go back to the crypto Jew-loving aristos in charge of Great War Germany.

[jimmy olsen]

The Nazi crew of the Bismark sink the boat rather than go back to the crypto Jew-loving aristos in charge of Great War Germany.

I may be mistaken, but I was under the impression that the navy was the least indoctrinated of the services.

[Tonitrus]

The Nazi crew of the Bismark sink the boat rather than go back to the crypto Jew-loving aristos in charge of Great War Germany.

I may be mistaken, but I was under the impression that the navy was the least indoctrinated of the services.

Yeah, Lütjens seemed like the type who'd be happy to ensure Imperial Germany stuck it out, rather than descend into Nazism.

[Viking]

The Nazi crew of the Bismark sink the boat rather than go back to the crypto Jew-loving aristos in charge of Great War Germany.

I may be mistaken, but I was under the impression that the navy was the least indoctrinated of the services.

Yeah, Lütjens seemed like the type who'd be happy to ensure Imperial Germany stuck it out, rather than descend into Nazism.

I can't help but think that a man in the super weapon of the future showing up with a history book telling you that this WWI thing is a really really bad idea and everybody in power benefits from not actually fighting this out since it will only result in commies and nazis.

[Tonitrus]

Another thing about the Final Countdown, is the film never went as far as to find out what the WWII-era peeps would think about a future-weapon showing up in their time.  What would the German fleet's response be to a big, unknown battleship with a swastika on it?

Sure, they might communicate in German on the radio (if that would work), but would you believe they're from the future, or blow it up in case it's some British trick?

[DGuller]

What if Imperial Germany had hundreds of ICBMs in 1914?  Would WWI turn out differently?

[Viking]

What if Imperial Germany had hundreds of ICBMs in 1914?  Would WWI turn out differently?

that depends, do they have rocket fuel, wmd warheads and proper guidance systems?

[Barrister]

Another thing about the Final Countdown, is the film never went as far as to find out what the WWII-era peeps would think about a future-weapon showing up in their time.  What would the German fleet's response be to a big, unknown battleship with a swastika on it?

Sure, they might communicate in German on the radio (if that would work), but would you believe they're from the future, or blow it up in case it's some British trick?

That's why I feel afraid to even speculate on this.  Did the German Navy of 1916 have radios?  Would Bismarck even be able to communicate?

I'm not a naval warfare geek like some here.  But I would think that the Nimitz in 1941, with radar and suveillance flights, would be a far, far bigher "game changer" than the Bismarck would have been.  Not because of firepwoer, but because of battlefield intelligence.

[jimmy olsen]

Another thing about the Final Countdown, is the film never went as far as to find out what the WWII-era peeps would think about a future-weapon showing up in their time.  What would the German fleet's response be to a big, unknown battleship with a swastika on it?

Sure, they might communicate in German on the radio (if that would work), but would you believe they're from the future, or blow it up in case it's some British trick?

That's why I feel afraid to even speculate on this.  Did the German Navy of 1916 have radios?  Would Bismarck even be able to communicate?

I'm not a naval warfare geek like some here.  But I would think that the Nimitz in 1941, with radar and suveillance flights, would be a far, far bigher "game changer" than the Bismarck would have been.  Not because of firepwoer, but because of battlefield intelligence.

They did have radio.

The Bismark had radar and spotter planes.

[DontSayBanana]

What if Imperial Germany had hundreds of ICBMs in 1914?  Would WWI turn out differently?

Given the lack of solid-state electronics or radar sensors in 1914, they wouldn't be able to do much with ICBMs.