Mexican immigration to U.S. falls for the first time in decades

[garbon]

Really? I mean I'm not sprinkling in Hindi like your colorful language and I do actually have acquaintances that I have to inform that I'm not Indian.

You probably use words like karma and nirvana...

I'm not sure why those would come up in everyday conversation.  Nirvana only comes up if I need to explain Courtney Love.

[katmai]

As much as you are Dot on the head Indian.

The proper term is Slurpee Indian.

Sorry up here in the backwoods we are behind the times.

[Barrister]

As much as you are Dot on the head Indian.

The proper term is Slurpee Indian.

"South Asian".

[DontSayBanana]

They almost make the drop in birth rate sound like a bad thing.  Isn't 2.4 pretty close to the ideal for replacement rate?  At any rate, there's no way a population explosion of 7.3 is sustainable.

[Valmy]

This will be good for Mexico.  If their birth rate can get down to 2.2 or so that will be ideal.  Then they can provide the sort of education and opportunities their children need without having an underclass that needs to immigrate to have a future.

[DontSayBanana]

This will be good for Mexico.  If their birth rate can get down to 2.2 or so that will be ideal.  Then they can provide the sort of education and opportunities their children need without having an underclass that needs to immigrate to have a future.

And if there's already been that kind of a drop in the birth rate, it'd probably only take a generation or three before the population got down to manageable levels.

[Valmy]

Oh and by the way during the pre-Revolutionary days the British American colonies had a birth rate of around 8 per woman.  Combined with immigration from Europe they were doubling every 5 years IIRC, which is incredible considering typical 18th century population growth.

But really my point was that 7.3 is not that unusual for developing societies.

[derspiess]

Still trying to figure out why this is "not a good sign".  Should we strive to import as many illegal immigrants as possible?

[DontSayBanana]

Oh and by the way during the pre-Revolutionary days the British American colonies had a birth rate of around 8 per woman.  Combined with immigration from Europe they were doubling every 5 years IIRC, which is incredible considering typical 18th century population growth.

But really my point was that 7.3 is not that unusual for developing societies.

Sure, but the Mexican War of Independence wasn't actually all that much later than the US, so a better comparison would probably be the American birthrate during westward expansion.  Looking now for some data on US TFR around, say, the 1880s.

[katmai]

Oh and by the way during the pre-Revolutionary days the British American colonies had a birth rate of around 8 per woman.  Combined with immigration from Europe they were doubling every 5 years IIRC, which is incredible considering typical 18th century population growth.

But really my point was that 7.3 is not that unusual for developing societies.

Sure, but the Mexican War of Independence wasn't actually all that much later than the US, so a better comparison would probably be the American birthrate during westward expansion.  Looking now for some data on US TFR around, say, the 1880s.

WTF are you going on about DSB

[Valmy]

Still trying to figure out why this is "not a good sign".  Should we strive to import as many illegal immigrants as possible?

Not all Mexican immigrants are illegal

But yes I think it is best for all involved.  It is not like there are not plenty of other people who would love some more immigration slots.  We need more Africans so vigilantes will have more people to arrest.

[DontSayBanana]

Sure, but the Mexican War of Independence wasn't actually all that much later than the US, so a better comparison would probably be the American birthrate during westward expansion.  Looking now for some data on US TFR around, say, the 1880s.

WTF are you going on about DSB
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That Valmy's comparing fertility rates in unlike conditions.  He's talking about the TFR for a dense, colonial US society to an expanding, independent Mexican society.

An industrialized, expanding US had a TFR of about 4.3 in 1880, BTW.

[katmai]

Still trying to figure out why this is "not a good sign".  Should we strive to import as many illegal immigrants as possible?

Seedy needs someone to cut his lawn.

[katmai]

Sure, but the Mexican War of Independence wasn't actually all that much later than the US, so a better comparison would probably be the American birthrate during westward expansion.  Looking now for some data on US TFR around, say, the 1880s.

WTF are you going on about DSB

That Valmy's comparing fertility rates in unlike conditions.  He's talking about the TFR for a dense, colonial US society to an expanding, independent Mexican society.

An industrialized, expanding US had a TFR of about 4.3 in 1880, BTW.
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Still don't see what that has to do with Mexican Independence or the birth rate cited circa 1960....

[derspiess]

Still trying to figure out why this is "not a good sign".  Should we strive to import as many illegal immigrants as possible?

Seedy needs someone to cut his lawn.

I thought he had a condo. 

Btw, I decided for my 40th birthday next year I'm hiring a mariachi band