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Le Pen versus Melenchon

Started by alfred russel, April 23, 2012, 11:47:41 AM

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Which would be your preference?

Le Pen
11 (50%)
Melenchon
7 (31.8%)
Jaron Pinochet
4 (18.2%)

Total Members Voted: 22

alfred russel

A couple of elections ago one of the nutcases made it to the second round. This question is if in a more diluted field lightening struck and we got two of the nutcases in the second round.

Which candidate would be more dangerous? I think that on the one hand you have the bigotry of Le Pen outweighing the socialism of Melenchon, but then there are probably more controls to keep Le Pen actually implementing anything too severe.

I would think there is a plausible third option that the republic would collapse before the second round, but I don't know much about French politics.
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

There's a fine line between salvation and drinking poison in the jungle.

I'm embarrassed. I've been making the mistake of associating with you. It won't happen again. :)
-garbon, February 23, 2014

Duque de Bragança

Mélenchon is a bigot as well but it's only vs Eastern Europeans such as Lithuanians and Poles. But don't worry he was just there to bring his votes to Hollande  :)

Ed Anger

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on April 23, 2012, 11:51:03 AM
Mélenchon is a bigot as well but it's only vs Eastern Europeans such as Lithuanians and Poles.

I WANNA CHANGE MY VOTE.
Stay Alive...Let the Man Drive

Duque de Bragança

Quote from: Ed Anger on April 23, 2012, 11:52:34 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on April 23, 2012, 11:51:03 AM
Mélenchon is a bigot as well but it's only vs Eastern Europeans such as Lithuanians and Poles.

I WANNA CHANGE MY VOTE.

TOO LATE! He's also a jacobine, regionalist-hater but I guess this doesn't bother you, as well.

Lettow77

 A developed society with a healthy middle class can be counted on to turn to the fascist* to protect them from the foul forces of communism.

Europeans are divided on the issue of confiscatory taxes or more/less EU involvement, but they are united in their secret desire to oppress, evict and persecute muslims. By removing moderate choices, you bring them salvation- they can wring their hands and deplore the FN's actions while secretly being glad a final solution is being found to the Islam problem.

Finally, FN has endearing celtic/regionalist subthemes and is the true choice for whimsical secessionists as well as right-thinking men of action.  FN is love  :blush:

*Of course, FN isn't fascist. This is just the hateful slander of their cowardly detractors who don't have the courage to renew Holy Sacred France and fear the populism of the unenlightened common Frenchmen having real power in society
It can't be helped...We'll have to use 'that'

Razgovory

I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Lettow77

#6
 What? I wrote a poem praising Le Pen (the father with the impeccable record of defending Holy Sacred France, that is) in sophmore year of high school for English class. I've always liked the Front National- He's openly praised the Confederacy, and paid tribute at Yasukuni shrine. It's the decadent and effete intelligentsia (myself excepted), corrupt foreign elites, or the foul communists of the lumpenproletariat who refuse to answer the call of the FN.

Edit: This deserves expounding on. Florid comparisons between Le Pen the Lesser and Jeanne d'arc to follow
It can't be helped...We'll have to use 'that'

The Minsky Moment

So L77 backs the most nationalist party of the most centralized state in Europe; so much for Bretons, Occitans, Basques, and Savoyards groaning under the oppression of people of the langue d'oil
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Lettow77

#8
Quote from: Lettow77 on April 23, 2012, 12:23:01 PM
This deserves expounding on. Florid comparisons between Le Pen the Lesser and Jeanne d'arc to follow

A small piece, to begin: Her holy sacred madrigal will await her seizure of power by legal or extralegal means

La Pucelle Le Pen!
Saviour to Frenchmen!
Our Maréchal Marine-
Our proud President-Queen
Alike to ancient heroes bold
Orleans and Tours two fold,
The berber, alike the eurocrat
flee in fear from her coup d'etat
It can't be helped...We'll have to use 'that'

Sheilbh

Let's bomb Russia!

Oexmelin

Que le grand cric me croque !

alfred russel

Quote from: Oexmelin on April 23, 2012, 05:31:28 PM
Mélanchon, of course.

Do you think the election would continue?
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

There's a fine line between salvation and drinking poison in the jungle.

I'm embarrassed. I've been making the mistake of associating with you. It won't happen again. :)
-garbon, February 23, 2014

Duque de Bragança

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on April 23, 2012, 12:52:22 PM
So L77 backs the most nationalist party of the most centralized state in Europe; so much for Bretons, Occitans, Basques, and Savoyards groaning under the oppression of people of the Francilian dialect of langue d'oïl.

FYP  :P
He's stuck between a rock and a hard place, Mélenchon is as jacobin as you get.
Mélenchon would probably manage to be worse against regionalists though in the case of Elsaß-Mosel(laïcité), I could perhaps agree with him.

Oexmelin

Quote from: alfred russel on April 23, 2012, 07:10:04 PM
Quote from: Oexmelin on April 23, 2012, 05:31:28 PM
Mélanchon, of course.

Do you think the election would continue?

I am not sure I understand your question. Then again, I might be confused because the poll asked which one we prefer, and the OP asks which one would be more dangerous.
Que le grand cric me croque !

mongers

Quote from: Oexmelin on April 23, 2012, 08:20:14 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on April 23, 2012, 07:10:04 PM
Quote from: Oexmelin on April 23, 2012, 05:31:28 PM
Mélanchon, of course.

Do you think the election would continue?

I am not sure I understand your question. Then again, I might be confused because the poll asked which one we prefer, and the OP asks which one would be more dangerous.

Well I guess some people, especially some women, rather like dangerous people, so it can be reconciled.  :)
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