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Started by Sheilbh, April 03, 2012, 10:56:37 PM

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The Brain

#30
April 04, 2012, 10:46:43 AM
My opinion of my stool is higher than my opinion of the left.
Women want me. Men want to be with me.

Valmy

#31
April 04, 2012, 10:47:56 AM
Quote from: Tamas on April 04, 2012, 10:45:17 AM
Tea Party. 'nuff said. At least our nazis don't deny the theory of evolution.

The Tea Party is supposed to be Libertarians and stuff.  Hilarious how quickly the social conservatives hijack everything.

'We need to get the government out of stuff...so there is more money to fund our desire to control people's behavior'
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Razgovory

#32
April 04, 2012, 10:56:50 AM
It was never libertarian.  You just wanted it to be.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Valmy

#33
April 04, 2012, 10:58:15 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 04, 2012, 10:56:50 AM
It was never libertarian.  You just wanted it to be.

Not impossible.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

crazy canuck

#34
April 04, 2012, 11:06:13 AM
Hey Sheilbh thanks for posting that.  Very interesting.

As an aside, an example of this at work is our Federal governments recent decision to scrap a governmental body set up 20 years ago that had worked toward human rights and freedoms in foriegn lands.  The justification was that it was being scraped to save money and wasnt working very well anyway.  Fits nicely into the paradigm of looking after our own problems first.  The main criticism by the opposition to date has been that the government scraped it because it was independant and the government wants more control - hardly the kind of heart fealt universalist defence one would have expected in days of yore.

I was going to make a comment about the seemingly heavy reliance on religion in the analysis but I realized that was rather egocentric of me.  Although religion plays no part in my own conservative beliefs I readily admit that I may be in the minority in Canada and I am certainly in the minority in North America.

@Tamas

QuoteLike it or not, the US, Canada, and some of Western Europe are the best places of the world. One of the reasons the "I am the 99%" crowd there is ridicoulous. No, pumpkin, you are not. You are the 1%.

This has been my main critique all along.

MadImmortalMan

#35
April 04, 2012, 05:47:42 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 04, 2012, 01:59:21 AM
I think it's more to do with the ties that bind.  Liberalism is, in my view, too globalised and too focused on individuals - I think that reflects some social and economic problems.  The left-wing answer often used to include religion and once that was gone the common endeavour of the welfare state ('this party is nothing if not a moral crusade', 'to build a New Jerusalem'...) while the right also had religion, but of a different kind.


I don't see that really. The left is not going to be "outgrowing" the collective solutions to individual problems it has supported for decades like social security and the NHS. There is a whole lot about the left that is and will remain very much NOT focused on the individual.
"Stability is destabilizing." --Hyman Minsky

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"We have nothing to fear but lack of fear itself." --Larry Summers

Jacob

#36
April 04, 2012, 05:50:44 PM
Quote from: Tamas on April 04, 2012, 10:45:17 AMIn general of course. What the FUCK should be Hungary-specific about this? I am growing tired of your "omg he has this opinion because he is hungarian".

If you can have an opinion of the world out of your basement, without someone commenting "that's typical American basement opinion", I can sure as hell have my own without the imbecile Hungarian-ing comments.

Damn.

Don't fret. You're taken more seriously than Raz.

Razgovory

#37
April 04, 2012, 06:04:38 PM
What is with you lately? 
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Ed Anger

#38
April 04, 2012, 07:45:08 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 04, 2012, 06:04:38 PM
What is with you lately?

He might be reacting to your creepy stalker act.
Stay Alive...Let the Man Drive

Razgovory

#39
April 04, 2012, 07:49:36 PM
Pft.   There are like 50 of us here, and we post on maybe a two dozen threads a day.  We are going to see each other a lot.  It's like accusing the people in same office where you work of stalking you cause you see them every weekday.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Ed Anger

#40
April 04, 2012, 07:54:13 PM
No, you go into wargarbl mode when you see Spicy and Yi. Relax friend.
Stay Alive...Let the Man Drive

Admiral Yi

#41
April 04, 2012, 07:56:01 PM
Raz: a significant component of the stalker indictment against you is that instead of addressing any argument on it's merits you have a pronounced tendency to try to use a person's position on any given argument as evidence of that person's moral failing.

Examples:

Zimmerman had a right under Florida law to stand his ground.

Stand Your Ground creates an impossible burden of proof in murder cases with no eye witnesses.

Not stalkerish.

Zimmerman had a right under Florida law to stand his ground.

You like killing black people.

Stalkerish.

Razgovory

#42
April 04, 2012, 09:18:54 PM
Well you could stop killing black people Yi.  It's not really legal to do that.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Caliga

#43
April 04, 2012, 09:29:08 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 04, 2012, 09:18:54 PM
Well you could stop killing black people Yi.  It's not really legal to do that.
Exception:  Florida. :menace:
0 Ed Anger Disapproval Points

Razgovory

#44
April 04, 2012, 09:59:00 PM
Anyway, I felt that planning to Kill Dguller would have been a bigger thing then annoying Yi.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017
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