The Supreme Court & Obamacare

[Ideologue]

Not to mention the bureaucracy, that is one more thing that America does second to none.

I'm still convinced Americans are suspicious of government because they're really, really bad at it

[CountDeMoney]

Not to mention the bureaucracy, that is one more thing that America does second to none.

I'm still convinced Americans are suspicious of government because they're really, really bad at it

Blame Hollywood.  Too many decades of the Federal government portrayed as sinister agents wielding unconscionable technological power with black helicopters and making people disappear, when really, it's all just the DMV with better dental.

[Ideologue]

But seriously, we'd probably end up trying to run it like we do public schools, most of the administration done at the state level, with the same hilarious results.

At Creation Hospital, evolution is just a theory, antibiotics are unregulated, HIV tests require only a simple questionnaire, and we package your stillborn infant tastefully for the ride home.

[Zanza]

Concur with Neil.  Individual mandate is stupid.  Why is it so hard?  It wasn't in Canada, the UK, Australia, France, Germany, Austria, probably Poland (FFS).

We have an individual mandate in Germany. I am not sure what  the penalty is for not buying insurance.

[Valmy]

We have an individual mandate in Germany. I am not sure what  the penalty is for not buying insurance.

Sent to the Eastern Front?

[Razgovory]

Not to mention the bureaucracy, that is one more thing that America does second to none.

I'm still convinced Americans are suspicious of government because they're really, really bad at it

Blame Hollywood.  Too many decades of the Federal government portrayed as sinister agents wielding unconscionable technological power with black helicopters and making people disappear, when really, it's all just the DMV with better dental.

I've never had any problem with the DMV.  I remember Hans predicting that new Healthcare bill would be like the DMV.  I thought that wasn't so bad.  I get in and out in 15 minutes and they have free fresh popcorn in the back.  Costs me 20 bucks.  Much better then current situation with healthcare with a whole bunch of different confusing policies that sometimes cover me and sometimes don't, and is extremely expensive and abused by doctors and hospitals.

People want the government to be bad so they blame their own failings on it.  People also like to distance themselves from government rather then accept that government failings are so often rooted in decisions that the public wants.  We cut taxes and increased spending, and now the deficit is out of control.  How did that happen?  People need to accept that culpability in what the government does.  The problem isn't that government isn't listening to the people, it's that it's listening a little to much.

[CountDeMoney]

We have an individual mandate in Germany. I am not sure what  the penalty is for not buying insurance.

Sent to the Eastern Front?

[Monoriu]

The way we do it is we set up a semi-independent Hospital Authority to run the hospitals.  The government is only responsible for funding and supervision.  This way the HA can bypass all the government internal regulations and they don't have to use the civil service pay scale.  In other words they can pay their surgeons more and security guards less. 

[Zanza]

We have an individual mandate in Germany. I am not sure what  the penalty is for not buying insurance.

Sent to the Eastern Front?

Possible.

But I can't find out what the penalty is exactly. But apparently just about 0.05% of the population isn't insured at all, so it's not a big deal.

[CountDeMoney]

Doesn't matter;  court's going to shut it down.  Scalia will make something up as he goes along like usual, and Clarence's wife will tell him how to rule.

[derspiess]

Wait, there's somebody out there who still buys the death panels claptrap?

I like how pulling somebody off government entitlements is a death sentence.  Who knew?

Really.  The same way not giving someone free birth control equates to denying them any access to it.  Or even worse, a War on Women

[Razgovory]

Health insurance from an employer = Free medicine?

[stjaba]

Audio and transcript of today's argument are available at: http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_audio_detail.aspx?argument=11-398-Tuesday

[Fate]

So what happens when the individual mandate is struck down? Will America finally be a democracy again?

[Phillip V]

After today's arguments before the US Supreme Court, CNN legal correspondent says health law 'looks like it's going to be struck down'.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/03/toobin-health-law-looks-like-its-going-to-be-struck-118811.html